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Why I don't Buy KTM 6 Days Bikes
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As you know if you have watched my channel for very long, I don’t buy the KTM 6 Days models. The reason I don’t is because I don’t think the value exchange is there. I’d much rather spend that $1,000 on gas and tires. Here are the main things that you are getting:
What do you get:
* Preload adjuster on forks - never use them when I have them
* Machined Triple clamps- these do look nice, but I can’t feel the difference
* Handlebar with 6 days logo - pointless IMO
* Map select switch - the soft map sucks IMO
* 2 piece rear sprocket- bling only
* Slightly different brake rotors- no venting in the rear, different vents in front. Can’t tell the diff. Why not just give us guards?
* Cool looking seat cover - bling only IMO
* Silencer with 6 days logo - who cares? It’s still not spark arrested!
* Skid Plate - Finally something that I don’t have to buy myself!
* Front axle puller - bling, but not needed
* 6 days logo on wheels - who cares
* 6 days graphics - so my bike looks different from most others is that worth all this money?
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This guy: should you spend an extra 1k for the special edition KTM?
Me: should i replace my rear drums on my crf230 or just buy a longer adjustment bolt at the hardware store?
I feel your pain man, I just started racing with a 250f and I want a husky or ktm so bad 😭
@God sees all!!! how does that make me a puss?
@@ThatBlackYamaha yea honestly idk im currently buying a ktm 200 xc-w cant wait
Check tricked out ktm on u tube
Lolol so true. I watch all of these badass fuel injected bikes on these channels and think man I should really clean the carb in my drz400 😂
Why are there so many butthurt people making comments on this video?
All I got from it, someone who has ridden dirt bikes for 35 years, was that if you do not need the extras associated with purchasing the 6 day edition, then the money could be spent on other mods or consumables better suited to the rider.
I fully agree
My 2018 exc-f came with 6day wheels as well. Which are made by Giant. Larger spokes and thicker polished hubs.Much stronger than the standard D.I.D.s The front rotor is also full floating. I think helps with impacts. A cooling fan, brake snake. Better chain guide and protector. The seat is absolutely perfect. Love it. So many little extras worth well over $1000. Totally content with my purchase
Not to mention all the anodised parts which make the bike way lighter.
I bought a six days just because I'm cool.
lol
Respect Bro..
Im dying thats why I bought mine too
I bought a crf450r because I like to win... Ride Red!
Jason Pearson 156 extra ccs, 0.3:1 extra compression, race tuning, you might win. Give the 300 a port & polish job, a full exhaust, some milling of the head, and tuning, and the score is even. Give it a 330 cc big bore kit and it’s over for the 450. The 450R is a race bike and the 300s are enduros. Tune the 300 for racing and it will make more power than the 450.
I really appreciate the channel. You tell it straight and clear. I bought the 6 day. But only because I wanted to treat myself to the best I could get. After riding for 45 years if not now when.
Ohh understandable.
Iam looking forward to the day I can buy the top top 😎👍
That is understandable.
@@sund5 whas the top top for you?
The sprocket will last a lot longer. Steel sprockets outlast aluminium a huge margin. The two piece sprocket is the best of both materials.
I was about to comment. I have a two piece sprocket and it's lasted 11,000 miles. It still looks great.
Thats true.
A regular 20$ steel sprocket would give you the same longevity. It weighs more, but I cant feel the difference
Wayne S. Full steel is 650g stealth is 600g aluminum is 330g. So that’s for it. My stealth broke where the bonding is between the Alu and steel which had me crash btw
@@simon2625 Not sure how common that is. But I just saw a video a couple of days ago where a 2-piece rear sprocket on a Beta came apart and jammed the caliper.
I bought a 6 days because it's the only way to get a 450 excf in the states. I got my 17 brand new on sale when the 18 bikes were coming in.
I have the same bike. It rips
No other choice,but best one..🙏..never regret..
Why you need a 450 over the 500?
@@f.w.vonjunzt3349 500 has mellow "more user friendly" power delivery and feels heavier compared to the 450. The 450 has a wild power band and revs quicker. My dad has an 18 500 excf. There practically the same in a drag race. The difference is something you only get a true understanding for once rode back to back.
Solid rotor is so the vent holes or slots don't fill with mud which can wear out a set of brake pads in just one race. Dirt is gritty
At the same time, slots help remove mud from the face of the rotor.
Brake pads remove mud from mud from the rotor surface. Slots and holes keep mud in.
came here to say the same thing
The beta race edition has all the billet extras with skid plate from the factory for about 1k less than other standard models. I love my 300rr race edition
You forgot to mention that 6days 2strokes have a carbon pipe guard.
yep, they're worth 240$ but don't really protect anything. replaced my pipe after a year and threw the guard away.
I agree, the few useful tidbits can be had for $250 which leaves money for hand guards, pipes, silencers and what ever other mods float your boat.
They also come with a clutch slave cylinder guard, radiator braces and the seats are more comfortable than the stock plywood seat on the stock models.
This guys totally wrong about the KTM SIX DAYS; all the extra parts on the bike add up to well over a thousand dollars when bought individually. The forged triple clamps are a big improvement, the solid rear brake rotor is much better in muddy conditions and is less likely to warp in extreme conditions, Super Sprox sprockets are much stronger than stock, better wheels and tires, Selle Dalla Valle Italian made seat is incredibly nice, composite skid plate, the bike looks sick, the list goes on and on. I've noticed the six days bikes hold their value better in the pre-owned market as well you didn't even mention that.
He has no clue !!
Yip, I have a 2019 sid days and it's way nicer than the standard bike, not only to look at but to ride
I don't think he was saying the parts did Not add up to 1000. I think he was saying he cannot justify the extra money. As the parts supplied are no use to him.
wacked outdude yup, and I agree with him.. I’d rather take some of that grand and modify a standard KTM the way I want it..
wacked outdude but that’s why we have options & choices.. 👍👍
You didn't take into account, it is $1000 more, but you get about $300 to $500 of that back (depending on condition) when you sell it, which i personally do every 2 years
Solid brake rotors are for muddy conditions so the pads will last longer and provide very slight braking advantage. Vented rotors are for higher speed and dry conditions.
Radiator guards, machined triple clamps, clickers, 2 pc. sprocket, and skid plate are certainly valuable. Which is why the husky offers almost all of it for only 1 Benjamin more.
I have a six days model and by far the best thing about it is the preload adjustment on the fork. I go 0 for Tahoe rocky switchbacks and +3 for when I hit the whooped out desert. I don't have to mess with any of my clickers this way.
I think you missed that a 6 Days is just an orange Husqvarna with PDS. Oddly enough a Husqvarna is about $1,000 more. This video is basically saying don't buy a Husqvarna.
In USD the husky is 100 more than a ktm...
En argentina 🇦🇷 husky es más barata que la six days 😁
❤️ husky
My 19tpi was the same price as the KTM. A No brainer
He’s not really saying not to buy one he’s just explaining why he doesn’t
Yea Husky!
I like your common sense approach Kyle. The 6 Days versions that they offer in the US are mostly cosmetic as you point out. In Europe they offer upspec models with factory mods that really help. Your point about money for gas and tires is also absolutely correct. Appropriate tires with Tubliss or mousse will do more to improve your riding performance than any other bike mod. It is easier for some guys to spend the money on bling than spend the time practicing the more difficult skills.
Love your videos cause you're very respectful and non judgmental. Very professional too 👍
My thought is throw that 1k into the suspension best mod u could ever make and it will make u a better rider
Agree 100%!
I love this Channel this has helped me with my bike
Your video’s are just well put togheter & high quality , you ARE adding value :)
Great videos!!
Thanks for the info it has helped me make several informative choices
As per previous comments there's a fan on 4 strokes and a carbon pipe protector on the 2 strokes. Also better tyres. For me it's the complete package with the looks. Love the Chile version!
Buy a TM racing and you have all of the six days extras and plus!! The better?you will spend 2500€ less!!😂 at least in Europe. Great video, as always.
Pedro Cerqueira Círculo Perfeito thats true, thats why they are champions (not sure in which category)
@@GrinBeatz Enduro GP!!
@@pedrodstc yeah! I forgot the name of the gp
Good luck getting one in the US. You can likely get one, but no dealer support and parts maybe a bit dodgy. They are slick looking. There used to be a dealer where I lived, but they mostly sold boats and never really had any bikes on the floor. They eventually closed (way before TM went aluminum). Didn't see many around at all.
Danny Compton yeah i live 40 miles from Italy (the country where TM was made) so here are tons of TMs
A breath of air to get an honest, down to earth review. Thank you.
2 piece steel sprockets are well worth the money, they barely wear, and because they don’t wear your chain doesn’t wear and stretch as fast. I’ve done 3 chains on the same steel sprocket
I work at a KTM dealership as a mechanic and I 100% agree with you, all the 6days is for is the stroking factor, giving yourself the warm and fuzzies, is much rather just go out and buy the husky then screw around trying to get a 6days.
However, I do have a query about what map you run, which one do you have currently installed? Because it sounds like “map 2” isn’t what should be in there
Nice vids!!! Congrats for your channel
The limited edition model never makes financial sense in any brand. It’s an emotional decision, just because you like it!
Good Video as per usual Kyle, my only question would be: As they are limited edition bikes that are only produced for that model year wherever the 6 days event was, would that mean that the depreciation on the bike as a % is better than that of a standard bike? Does that, therefore, make them more desirable and more expensive?
Awesome man live watching your channel 👍🏼👌🏼
The 2 piece sprocket is steel in the teeth section and aluminum in the center to keep the sprocket light while keeping the chaining durable.
I honestly LOVE my map switch on my gas gas. In shitty conditions it runs just as good, it's just smoother and less snappy. It allows me to keep traction and control in loose shit like sandy hills or mud. It was also amazing when i was warming up to some jumps because it keeps the power tame while im getting used ot it.
The six days is for someone that wants the best and can afford the best. For me personally just for the adonized clamps and the orange frame alone was worth the extra money. It doesn't make it faster but it sure makes it alot nicer. Even my license plate says 6 days
I think the purpose of the steel/aluminum sprocket is to reduce the rotational weight by using aluminum while preserving the sprocket teeth strength with the outer steel bit.
Rookie Wrenching add a lighter rear tire there’s 3-5lbs gone
It’s what I did
Yeah, but you save little weight, you'd probably save more weight by taking a dump before riding
If you were to buy all these extras on the aftermarket you'd be well over $1k... So if you want a 6 days it's good deal.
On the four stroke 350 (2018 model) you get the fan. That’s not standard.
Fredric i think it comes with all Four stroke sixdays it does for the 450 and 500 as well
Look at Kyle flexing with that 1,000 dollars 😂😂
Kyle, you raise a very valid argument on the KTMs.
You could also buy a fully loaded Sherco FACTORY model for the same or less money than the orange bike and for the money, get a functional and usable map switch, quality KYB closed chamber fork and shock, standard Bash plate, a gripper seat cover, lighter lithium battery, lighter triple clamps AND still get the bling items included.
Definitely not sorry I spent my own money on the Sherco, and yes, I have had plenty of seat time on the other brands.
I whole heartily agree with you on this
what do you think about the new yz250x vs the ktm 250? which would you buy disregaurding cost? anyone can answer this?
Carbon pipe guard too. But missing radiator fan, larger brake tip and grab handle in my case.
missing a tripple clamp bolt he might need to upgrade that front end when it falls off...
I think the Six Days comes with the carbon pipe guard also. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I think the only added value is the skid plate and pipe guard, though the pipe guard will only do so much.
No 2020 models don't have carbon pipe gard
@@leonvojnovic9647 Thank you for the correction.
A few thousand KTM 6Days graphics kits bought by KTM in bulk .39 cents each. The look on the owners face riding one: PRICELESS !!
Very informative. Thank you!
Honest review cant ask for anymore. Im a Yamaha 2 stroke guy through and through, but one of the scariest bikes I rode was a built 1997 KTM 360 sx 2 stroke. 4 strokes are fun, but they don't put smiles on my face like a two stroke. Any way this guy knows his KTMs been watching his channel forever
Is the radiator fan another edition? In some country’s the extra parts total over $1,000 thus making it appealing.
With the billet clamps you get a little better clamping in my opinion. the front wheel won't misalign as much with the billet clamps for crashes and dumps. With the brake rotor its a little better for muddy conditions and will sink heat a bit better. If you went after market including the clamps I'm sure you come in a few hundos less. I run the twin ring stuff and it does wear a little better, but I run the stock chain out and replace with what I want later. I've added the axle pull and the only thing I liked about it was that I could hang it on the bark buster or the peg when swapping tires and it keeps the axle out of the dirt (something six days riders do daily when racing). 15 minutes to maintain your bike daily is all you get. That said I don't have one on my bike currently. IF you really want the billet clamps they cross many years so picking them used or take offs isn't that hard. You will come out ahead. Not enough to make me want to buy it unless it was the only option left for the model year I wanted and they cut me a smokin deal on it. I not fast enough for the six days! I know a few that have competed and all are very fast and skilled.
Great stuff!
Great information, the Gas/Gas EC-250-300 does come with usable extra's.This bike is 500.00 over the regular EC models, but it really shines in looks!
Also you missed to say that 6 days get radiator guards & fan.
Could you do a video like this on the erzbergrodeo model, cheers 👍🏻
Vented rotor vs solid rotor. Solid is for wet muddy conditions. Mud can't get stuck in the vents causing the brake pads to not grab as well. Vented is to aid cooling in dry conditions.
Kick ass video brother!
Thank!
The rotors are not "vented" as are the front rotors of a car or truck, they're solid and slotted which does the same thing as a drilled rotor. It's purpose is to keep the braking surface clean by continuously scraping the pad surface and also an escape route for debris that may get between the pad and rotor surfaces. Solid rear rotors on an off-road moto (somewhat trendy on "Enduro" machines) is to theoretically prevent mud from accumulating in the slots, or holes, which doesn't make sense because mud is lighter weight than steel. Figure that one out peeps.
You also get a Supersprox sprocket with the six days model.
Well, in every other motor vehicle scenario people buy the special editions so why the hell not with these enduro bikes. You do not get any performance improvements with those either.. I have both Six Days versions of the 2018 model.. The 450 and the 300.. Yes its a bling thing, it's the "wow, that's a great looking bike" and the rarity of it.. I bought the 450 in 2017 and I absolutely wanted the twin 300 and bought it in 2018. If you were gonna take those upgraded parts and buy them, it would be more than 1000 bucks.. Do you get a performance increase? No but in my opinion, it's a better stronger bike with triple clamps, brakes and preloaders.. Plus the resale value it higher.. Also, I can guarantee you that in my neck of the woods, I wont see another one.. (Small town) I do see lots of regular 300s and 500s but no 2018 six days.. It's like a special edition guitar my friend, it wont play betteror make you a better player, but the rarity and the look increase the value.
Great information.
You mentioned that the Husqvarna comes with many 6 days options and checking the MSRP the FE501 is $100 more than the EXC 500. Would you say that the Husqvarna is a better buy than the KTM? It comes down to rider preference from what I can tell but is the KTM with PDS the better option over the Husqvarna linkage setup?
I remember the days you'd get whiplash watching a dual shock XC Husky go smoking past you!
I have a six days 2019 2 stroke and I have no problems with it the only thing I upgraded was the exhaust pipe and som stikkers.
So I have 2001 Mxc 400 what are your thought about it
Dang, I was hypnotized by the 6 Days. Thanks for breaking the spell.
Because I’m 6 ft 1 I need a different seat and the hand guards are not what I use because I use the full wrap around. For me I totally agree.
Six Days? I only use seven day bikes, one for each day of the week.
I only use night bikes 7 nights a week👋
Garage goals.
I cracked a cast triple clamp... not sure how but noticed it when i was working on it. Kinda scary to find. I do run old bikes so it may not be a typical failure but it convinced me that billet versions can take more.
This is my favorite video of yours. I freakin love the blunt honesty! Will you please make a personal rap song using this video and keep it secret so I can see it from @tyhuey
the reason for the solid rear brake disc is to HELP heat distribution
I feel like the different maps might be related to different elevations. That would explain why the second map ran like shit for you. Might be a map for riding in high altitudes.
Hmm sort of agree but floating disc is definitely a plus for delicate braking e.g. front wheelies etc !
Good points. Buy your own bling. After market plastics and custom graphics still leaves a good budget for more essential add ons.
Used to be that when the parts were made anything that was of a higher quality was reserved for the 6 days bikes
Good info as in all vids. You forgot that six days has orange frame in 2018. That’s why I bought 300
Wonder how the resale value compares. The more limited bikes may hold their value better.
Can the pre load adjuster for the forks be bought and installed on the basic ktm model, if so where?
You know what sets my bike apart so I can find it when parked at events? It says Beta on it 👍
You can't even recognize your bike? Man
I bought the '20 6 Days 500 mostly because of the way it looks. I've also paid more for premium paint when I've bought vehicles. It's all about preference and finances. I like the "bling" that the 6 Days has and to me it was worth the extra I paid, though it wasn't $1000, I still paid more than if I had bought the regular 500.
It makes me smile every time I look at it, even just sitting in my garage. For me, that makes it worth EVERY penny.
I agree completely. If you can afford it who cares about $1000 when it’s what you want. I’m going for a 21 or 22 if still road legal. In Australia rules just changed so I’m thinking only 2021 bikes will pass
@@jamesgeorgevellavella1961 Good Luck!
just got my 2020 300tpi sixdays last week
garbage
@@tanectanec8566 nah its kinda good actually mine is a supermoto tho sold the dirtbike tires and rims the same day i got it
What would you recommend for an enduro bike that i commute in town with. I currently own an drz400s and i weigh 155 and it feels so heavy.. most places i ride is loose sand and dirt. Im a beginner as well. Thanks for your advice
it's like you've never even raced an enduro.
billet triple clamps are stronger and lighter
the other map doesn't make the bike run like shit, it reduces power for more traction in slippery conditions so you have more control and can ride faster.
solid rotors don't clag up with mud nothing to do with strength.
steel sprocket lasts longer aluminium is lighter it's the best of both worlds.
axle puller is important when you have 5 minutes to change a tyre.
yes i realize none of this applies to you.
the reason you didn't buy one is because you aren't going to race it that's all.
Thanks for this, I was under the misguided opinion that the six days bikes had better suspension.
Hey buddy, what dual sport bike would u say is the best. To go from rd to dirt.. Thank u
Everything is slowly coming together i started missing riding watched a couple videos now my recommended is fill with bike videos and now I’m looking for a bike
How is the Musik for the opener calling?
Have a band name?
I love the detailed info. Great job
I am new to dirt bikes, and a few days agonI asked myself - wtf is 6 days? Thanks for info.
I bought a Six Days mode because I wanted a 450 instead of a 500, which was the only way to get a 450 in 2019. I have an EXC-F model (dual sport mode)
I'm not going to go in detail with the rear disk but for the woods they dont get packed with mud and they dont get that much hotter.
I know this video is kind of old at this point but if you have the option (and like the 6 days color way for that model year) there is 0 reason not to get the 6 days. Just as an example if you wanted to buy the base model and add on all the stuff you get with the 6 days (Minus the specific stuff like graphics and such) it would cost you more than the 6 days up charge. Its not really meant to be a better performing bike. Its just tricked out with some powerparts bling and a special colorway. If you dont like the look than so be it but I still think the triple clamps, the map switch (now with TC and quickshifter function), and the wheels/hubs alone make it worth it.
Brake discs whitouth holes claim that mud doesn’t stick in to them so they can’t eat the pads.
Slotted, vented, or wave discs are designed to dissipate heat better - so sustained braking, racing, etc.
Probably help if you had all your screws on your triple clamp in! - Just sayin. 3:26
@Phil Mccrevasse The main bike that he has in the video only has 1 of the 2 bolts in the lower triple clamp. I am sure there is a reason for this, Idk what the reason is... But he was probably working on something.
Well spotted fella 😂😂👍
Those are bolts not screws....
The preload adjusters are great if you don't perfectly match the stock setup. It's a thing you do once, but you probably don't repeatedly use it. Nice to have to dial it in initially. Alone, probably not worth the upgrade, but could be a factor if other components are valuable.
I thougth 6 days came with better/stronger rims, which would be worth something. But the newest ones don't.
Good summary, nailed it.
My 2023 250xcw came with a skid plate too
Bought my 18 300xcw six days last october. Salt Lake area dealers wouldnt budge on any 300 xcw prices and most dealers had ridiculous "prep" fees which I refuse to pay. Got mine new from a dealer in Salem Ore for $9k OTD plus $300 to ship. so I paid less than the $9600 plus prep that local dealers wanted for base 300xcw.
2:35 yeah I think it looks kinda sweet actually