Bourbons & Whiskeys I'm NOT Buying Anymore!
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What? No Tall sizes?
The prices these days are outrageous. In my humble opinion, most are not worth the price. Thanks for the honesty.
As a community we need to just stick to the basic on the shelf all the time options until the market corrects itself. I just won't spend $75-$100 for a $35-$45 bottle, no matter how much fomo their is
You should see wine prices before you say bourbon is too expensive.
@@numanuma20wine on average is significantly less expensive. You can get great quality wine under $30
Hence why there making, younger age ones.
Certain wine region have overpriced themselves for most wine geeks like myself.
I think we are all getting over chasing bourbon. Too many available great options
Yup always something local or mass market that will equal or exceed something allocated.
I've moved to Scotch lately because I can always get whatever Islay currently fancy.
Good list. For me anything Whistlepig is a never going to happen again
I like their 10 Year. I'll try the 6 to see where that sits.
It's crazy how many stores near me do 1792 full proof store picks. Nothing in them blows me away but for $49.99 it's a solid barrel proof offering.
Same here in Lex KY
My thoughts exactly 👍
And at that price, they make sense... and then they get bought up and flipped...
I shouldn’t tell you the price for the regular 1792 Full Proof here in Germany .. You have to pay from 90-120 Euros for the regular one. And I wouldn’t pay 50 Euros for it.
What is your area? Here in Missouri, you can find the small batch, but none of the others.
I’m pretty much over anything that exceeds $100. The juice is rarely worth the extra money when there’s many gems under that
in my journey through the varieties of whiskey I've found there are a lot of great whiskeys out there between 40 and 60 dollars. I was actually surprised Mellow Corn which is a 15 dollar whiskey is actually a great buy for the price
Old bartender here. (Yes, I remember the days of Blanton's costing $35.) Thanks so much for your presentation. It's direct and (hopefully) honest. I'm hoping that a least a few of the distilleries are listening. There's a few of us left that quite honestly can't afford the inflationary prices of whiskey, particularly bourbon. I realize these guys have to keep broadening their scope of products to stay competitive but high price doesn't necessarily mean high quality. Please do a part two of this presentation because there are lot more bourbons that fall into the "it's just not worth the price"
good call. Jason could prolly rattle off a ton more to make part 2, part 3, part 4, etc...
I totally agree, Charles. The prices are getting ridiculous!
1792 Full Proofs store picks have still been good for me. Still got love for them.
I finally found a 1792 full proof and found it being a very good poor. I also found a 1792 Bottled in Bond which was absolutely amazing! I would purchase them any time that they were available at MSRP. However, I've lost the FOMO over bottles that either can't be found at MSRP or claim all sorts of gimmicks to appeal to a shopper where the bourbon just won't stand for itself! Great show as always! Cheers!
Same. I'm looking forward to things getting more reasonable. The allocation craze is just obnoxious.
I've had 3 picks of 1792 Full Proof from my local store, and they've all been great. Caveat - the neck pours are so hot, my first inclination is typically "drain pour". Give them a couple weeks to open up, and they morph into some really good bottles. Cheers!
I've had some 1792 Full Proofs where the neck pours aren't even hot. So they're out there. I had one where the neck pour drank about 115.
I agree with every bottle on your list with the exception of 1792 full proof…I’ve only had one bottle that wasn’t great especially for the price…some have taken longer to open up though.
If people want a solid holiday whiskey I'd recommend Lucky Seven: Holiday Toast. It is Christmas in a bottle. As for MWND, I'll never give in to the inflated price.
Huge fan of the Holiday Toast!
disco11 is the xmas eve bottle
snagged a 15 year lucky seven barrel pick at my local shop. it's a top 5 bottle i've ever owned.
On the 1792 full proof front, I have scored 2 different store picks here in my area in Oregon , and they both were incredible, not only in taste, but for 55 bucks, I’m not sure of anything else I’d rather buy. They were perfectly proofy, and both had a very unique, rich palate and a nice finish to boot.
Great video - love seeing whiskey tube talk about these types of topics in addition to tasting notes. Helps us everyday bourbon drinkers have a better idea of what to chase and buy and what might not be worth it. I started my bourbon journey w/ Basil Hayden about 10 years ago and now I don't think you could give me a bottle of it. Thanks again for the great content and keep up the good work. Cheers!
I hear ya! Thanks for the Colab w/ Randy Sullivan b.t.w. I support both of you, among many others. Great episode.
1792 full proof is pretty wild on this list imo. The regular non store pick bottle is absolutely delicious to me. And for only like $50!
I love the Willett 4 yo rye. $60 and barrell proof and still one of my favorites.
agreed. My palate likes the WFE 4yr rye but I can see why others don't. On the other hand, the WFE purple tops do not warrant their ridiculous prices.
I wish there were more videos about this. I'm tired of new 'junk' bourbons that have fancy labels and bottles just for marketing. I'm tired of wasting my money. I always end up back at Wild Turkey 101. Please continue to review traditional tried and true bourbons from well established distilleries
Thanks for sharing and being so transparent. I really enjoy that style content. A few of those bottles I had already given up on, mostly because of the pricing. I'm glad you shared some alternatives to them.
I've got a local here that has done a 1792 Barrel Proof store pick the last couple years. They've all been good and rang in around $45-$50 a bottle. Last one was out at the beginning of March and I was really happy with it.
I agree. Particularly KY Owl after Dixon left. No longer the same. And the price! Woof!
Glad to see that someone shares the same sentiment on damn near all of these! The price point on most of these vastly outpaced the quality of the juice in the bottle.
willit was great at $56 bucks, in two years its sitting at 70 and thats just wild. I bought a willet 10 year for 400 and it was fun because i would never see that bottle for under a grand again it was cool, not worth money for just the whiskey.
I was never into chasing specific bottles, it was always the most fun finding rare over priced bottles at msrp.
The Barrell amburana finish from last year was one of my favorite new releases in 2023. Other than that I agree 100% with this list.
This is one of the best videos you’ve ever done! Thank you for making people aware that there’s better and more affordable stuff out there. The pricing on tater bottles is way out of control!
We enjoy the 1792 Full Proof and got another this week! Smoke Wagon UU sits on the shelves here in Texas so I can get one anytime I want..but I have 2 sitting at home so guess that tells ya something? nice share! Thanks!
I’ll keep enjoying my A124 Larceny Barrel Proof & forget about WFP for now. Thanks
Great list, Jason, and I agree entirely except for the Willett 4 year Rye which is still one of my favorite ryes, and still isn't too expensive, especially compared to their bourbons which I agree are ridiculously $$$$. I had a great state liquor store pick of a 1792 Full Proof a few years back but since then I've liked the BiB better than the more recent picks which is too bad. I have also collected more MM picks than I should have and am tired of those also so done buying those as well.
Love this video and the list! Interestingly for me, I bought my first single barrel pick of 1792 FP from a Total Wine, and it’s fantastic! It opened my eyes to how good these can be, especially for the price.
My list is pretty similar. I would probably much include the entire Weller Lineup though. I only buy them anymore when at msrp and that is primarily just for trade value. I feel there are far too many other options these days that fill those positions and are far more intriguing.
No need to chase allocated bottles. So long as JDSBBP/JDSBBP RYE/ Sagamore/Knob Creek 12&Sib / ECBP /Makers store picks, are around I am happy. I have gotten to try so many unicorns and while they are all mostly great, to palate, they are not appreciably better than what can be readily found.
This is the profound truth about "fancy" bourbon/allocated
Great list. I am done with New Riff and Old Scout. I just haven't found any bottles or pours I really enjoyed.
Must be a different dimension you are in. I've YET to have a New Riff Single Barrel high proofs that wasn't Fantastic!!! I'm ALL in on them for the time being. I'm sure they will fall off like all the others but not as of yet they haven't!
More channels need to do these videos. So over all of the hype and my local spots trying to price gouge their locals
I love how unlike so many other channels you’re always so honest 😊
Love this video Jason, some of those bottles are way over priced, I did buy a Weller proof but I only paid $59.00 for, and my Rock Hill Farms I paid $55.00 for! 🥃🤘🏼
Lots of Bourbons sitting on the shelf lately. I messed up yesterday probably but dang a thirty dollar increase. They had a Russels sib CN-B ten years old for $92.00. I love Russels but that’s Uigeadail money.
I kind of agree on the Willet stuff, but more because I think the flavor profile changed over the last couple of years. The 4 year ryes used to be one of my go tos even at $60 a bottle. Had a bottle about a year and a half ago that I thought tasted off but chalked it up to a bad batch, however every bottle I've had since has had that same taste. Noticed a similar change in Old Bardstown too.
Agree!! Well sorta, Maybe because I am a big Makers fan, but I still think the store picks are good. A unique wheat whiskey for a good price and always easy to find. I always keep a bottle around for guests.
I have been enjoying 1792 Full Proof picks lately. There was one in particular from a small, local store that I went back and repurchased twice. Also one that just came from Total Wine.
Great signature 1792 cherry flavors on all of them. Lots of caramel and vanilla. Just a solid bourbon with a touch of oak and lots of good flavors.
I gotta find some good ones. 1792 full proof seems to be the consensus on bottles that folks are still finding good ones.
Really appreciate your brutal honesty!
My whiskey journey began with Blood Oath Pact 7 and it remains one of my all-time faves. However, the price point and the availability make them sooo hard to find. I am curious to see what Pact 10 will bring to the table, if it falls flat ---- I may agree with you and simply move on to something else....
Picked up a 1792 Full Proof store pick a few weeks ago. I’ve had one pour and it was good. Not hot at all. Looking forward to see how it opens up. I am not a fan of the standard 1792 though.
The first couple of bottles I had of Willet Rye were great, this last one not so much. The 1792 and Weller full proof I actually like but I've only had one of each. My limit is $100 unless it's truly something special, I would be just fine if Russell 10 and single barrel were the only bottles ever available. Always enjoy the videos
Great review. As always, I appreciate your related experiences to what you’re drinking. Based on quality and price. One thing I’ll point out is wagon has holy Ben on our shelf for less than nine months. I’m west of St. Louis but still pretty close. Again, thanks for the review. I enjoyed it!
Solid video. As for Smoke Wagon I agree, except if you can find a store pick, those are the gems.
I was SO excited about Weller Full Proof, and two bottles in I was SO over it. Great list, agree totally, especially amburana, Woodford, and 1792. I would add Old Carter, only 1/8 bottles ($250/2 grand) was even remotely worth it. In fact, I've taken down the tents on almost all $100+ bottle buying...you just can't go wrong with ECBP, JDSBBP whiskey and rye, and MAYBE an occasional EHTBP, Michter 10yr or BP, or Handy Saz (at reasonable prices)
Pretty Spot on! Would not disagree with any of your bourbons you would not buy.
Great listing! I'd add Elijah Craig Toasted, Elijah Craig Single Barrel Barrel Strength store pick due to price being near $100 and age keeps going down, Booker's, & Four Roses Single Barrel store picks because it's $125-$150 a bottle.
I agree with you on all but one the 4 Roses BS store picks are normally $85-100 sounds like your market is pricing you out. Where do you live??
@@ebunch1911 Indianapolis. Prices usually $130 here but seen as high as $150.
@@davidschweibold256 Sorry to hear that brother. If you ever pass thru KY you can get them direct from the distillery off I-65 for $90-$100.
@@ebunch1911thanks man! I love the Four Roses picks like that and at $90 it’s a buy all day.
Yea those four Roses single barrel barrel proof picks are a no buy for me more than double the regular price for an extra 20- 25 proofs... no thanks
Thanks again for sharing your wisdom unfiltered. You speak the truth! Grateful for you Jason!
Thank you! I 1000% agree on the Maker’s store picks! I also agree on the rest of your list with the exception of 1792 Full Proof. The standard bottle is much better than the store picks. I find the Elijah Craig Barrel Proof store picks to be less desirable than the standard bottles as well.
I agree with your choices! One I would say im done buying is HMK10. 2010 and 2011 barrel date bottles to me have been the last good ones. The newer ones have been a little lack luster to me on top of mark up and availability.
I had to give up eagle rare. 1. I can't find it anymore. 2. When I do happen to catch it, it's like $60. That's a 50% increase in price in my area and that doesn't make it worth it to me anymore
There is no way you were finding Eagle rare for $30. That’s a damn lie
@@JonathanWest-cx1vv this was a couple years ago at a total wine in Shrewsbury, MA. Pre covid.
@@JonathanWest-cx1vv Actually double the price = 100% increase in price
@@skyline6248they have went up a lot since then. At least here in nc they’re like 48 all in, if you can find it. Honestly though imo that’s still not bad compared to some other stuff these days.
Adding anything Bulleit, maybe you never brought any in the first place😂
Lol.
Great video Jason! I’ve always like your honesty and opinions on bottles and the current whiskey market. I’m a huge fan of Makers but for me most of the private selects taste relatively the same and only a few stand out. After experiencing a lot of these special releases or bottles that FMO just grabs you I’m tired of getting burned and paying for a high dollar bottle that I enjoy less than a bottle I paid so much less for. Cheers all! 🥃
Great review. Our palates are spot on.
This review slapped J! Agreed with every bottle you threw up until Rockhill, but that said, NEVER overpay for an-y-thing. Sure. I've got plenty of old dustys on my shelf now from the good days, but I'd still be walking past spuds and going through bottles of Very Old Barton.
I always enjoy listening to your thoughts and reasoning. Cheers!
Definitely agree with most of these, especially rock hill farms. Had it for the first time recently and overall it was just really sweet and smooth and pleasant, nothing to distinguish it at all imo.
I'd say almost any hard-to-find BT whiskey is definitely worth the buy at MSRP (talking about the $30-150 MSRP bottles). The only issue is actually finding said bottles at those prices.
As for many of the whiskeys/bottles you've mentioned, I totally agree. I don't have any Angel's Envy, Kentucky Owl, MWND, or Woodford Reserve Master's Collection because they are just so expensive for what you get (proof and/or age-wise).
Love your honesty... I've never chased whiskey. I'm a good bit older than you and remember before the "boom". There aren't many I buy anymore. I do drink regular Makers Cask strength and Evan Williams BIB regularly. I mostly drink Rum now.
Got a bottle of Castle and Key from the distillery back in August last year and it's still good.
Thank you for the honesty! Especially you talking about "loving the story" behind something. The story and rarity are the drivers of price, IMHO I don't think there are bottles worth 150$ based ONLY on drinking qualities. Would people really pay 3x or more for a bottle of Weller 107 (8 years ago 30$ available bottle) vs Maker's Cask ?
I totally agree on the smoke wagon take unfortunately. I tried the uncut unfiltered and standard offering a few months back and both were excellent. I got their small batch, uncut, and standard for myself a week or so ago and all of them were shockingly thin on the palate. I’m hoping future batches are better again, but I’m hanging back too for now
I wish I could be out on Rock Hill Farms or Weller Full Proof but I've never seen them in the wild LOL! I thought last year's Castle & Key bourbon was OK but not worth the 60 bucks.
Jason - 3:34 Price, Palate and smaller distillery but you are missing one main factor: Availability. No one tater or buy backups of any bourbon that starts sitting on the shelf. Availability these days is getting better, quarter by quarter, month by month. A lot changed in the last one year or so. I am expecting a decent to major slowdown. Few states get more than others. Here in CA, we see OFSBBP Bourbon picks, RR picks, ECBP picks, 4Rs picks, etc started sitting on shelf most of the time.
yup, same here in IN and KY on those store picks. They got a little retail price hike and secondary went down so they're at equilibrium for now. But I'm guessing the price will drop a little within a year.
I’m curious to see how many views, likes and comments you get with this one. I think your timing is spot on with this particular topic.
My first reaction was that I really agreed with you on most of your bottles. But then I realized that you could’ve picked another 10 or 12 bottles and I would’ve agreed with them, too.
I’m like Forrest Gump after all his running. “ I’m pretty tired now”.
I could have definitely picked more but as you said I wanted to start a dialogue and create a list.
I had a 1792 store pick from a local store and it was absolutely delicious
Great video, thanks for making it. I totally agree on Smoke Wagon U/U. Sadly, I also have to agree on MWND - it’s just not worth the money they’re asking for it.
Great list! I agree with every single one you mentioned. There was a time when smoke wagon was at the top of their game, and I was completely obsessed with those earlier blends but they've dropped off for me recently. I still have a few of the earlier pre labeled batches of UCUF but those are getting nursed. I would also throw in ETL, and EHT. I'm kinda over those also.
Pretty much agree on all of these, except for maybe the 1792 full proof...I mean for $45-$50 can't really complain about it, and I'm not even talking about store picks either.
For the 1792, I just got a great store pick in Upstate NY. I agree that the old ones were almost always drinking hot. The one I got was much smoother and I love it. I hope this isn't a unicorn.
I always have a backup of Smoke Wagon UCUF. Still worth the price but I agree the notes have changed a bit.
It's funny you mention the Penelope Rio. That is the only amburana finished whiskey I have and a single bottle of it is enough for me.
I quit buying the Old Forrester Barrel Proof store pics. They are now 100 dollars or more around me and they are just not worth it. For every one great one I get 3 meh bottles of them.
Great video Jason! I agree with you on the 1792 FP. They drink too hot with not a lot of flavor, though I do like the 1792 line up in general.
I can’t help but notice the Cooper’s Craft 100 didn’t make your no rebuy list. Great video!
This was a fun and refreshing vid, agree on all.
I'd say I like MM SP's but only if I can get around $60-65.
WFP never seemed that great tasting to me, even closer to retail.
Agree that when you can get LBP or ECBP around $70-100, most 100pf or cookie cutter releases going above $100 just doesn't make sense.
One I would add is Joseph Magnus Cigar Blend. I had one of the earlier batches, and it was amazing. Recently bought another and it was so disappointing (batch 266) what’s so upsetting too is that batch 250 and beyond have a minimum of 11 year old high rye bourbon, and are back to using the 16 year Barton barrels and 20 year MGP. Not sure what’s going wrong with the blending process, but sorry Nancy Fraley, for $200 I’m out.
That is an extremely solid list. I have no quibble with anything you said.
Glad you mentioned Castle & Key. People seem to go nuts for them. I went to the distillery and I didn't think their juice was good at all. I never understood it.
Nailed it! Great Video!
That is super helpful
The Rock Hill Farms was tough to see but I totally get it. I opened my 2nd bottle and wondered why I was so fixated on getting that 2nd bottle. Was good but not all that 🤷♂️
Man, you nailed this list - other than maybe the 1792 FP - store picks can sell be had for < $50 and are fantastic values.
You crushed it with this list and captured my thoughts perfectly
I've never had the Smoke Wagon but it's been on my list. I'll try it.
You might want to rethink Angel's Envy. I have a new store pick, different bottle, older juice, and it's REALLY great.
I was paying $45 for Rock Hill Farm, then I switched to single malt whiskeys and just came back to bourbon last year. The price blew my mind. I'm also over the pay $125 a month just for the chance to buy one of our bottles type deals that are popping up with certain producers.
I've had 1792 Full Proof picks that are really solid (especially at the price). Recently grabbed one from K&L in SF and it rivaled some of the older Lucky Seven releases.
THANK YOU for this video!! We in the whiskey community need more honest dialogue like this. Cheers!!!
Great segment! Cheers!!
Great options Jason I agree with most of those. I also stay away from most all 5yr mgp bourbon just not worth it
I remember Rock Hill Farms from 20 years ago. Loved it. Also could just go buy it. I hadn’t had any in years and tried some in a bar. Was really disappointed. Agree with you.
Some hot takes in there - love it!
Thank you for being honest!!
Great show! I have to agree pretty much 100%. If I'm paying, the whiskey better be good. Got a bottle of Angel Envy Rum finished for $70 (went out on a limb) and it totally reinforced my purist attitude. Won't ever try one of the Amburana finish or any other fad finished whiskeys...I'm drinking bourbon and rye and that's what I want. As for price, it's ridiculous...I'm just waiting for the disco series to raise their price and that will be another series that bites the dust.
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The more prices keep climbing, the more I am leaning back into my daily drinkers. I found some great bottles in the last 6 months, and maybe it was the hunt that I enjoyed when I could find them at retail, but so many allocated bourbons are getting beyond their value. Sadly, even Russel’s Reserve 13 getting near $200 makes me grab for Rare Breed or the occasional Russel Reserve single barrel.
Great video! Totally agree on the Makers, I’m over the stave combo, just give me a 46 or a 101 and call it a day. Cheers 🥃
This is a solid list. Most of these are on my list as well... except for the RHF. I have yet to own a bottle of that one.
So I’m a Bourbon noobie, and this channel has by far been the most helpful, I’ve learned so much the past week just from watching your videos. Thanks so much Jason!
The new batch of castle and key is delicious. Got a bottle of it at the distillery
Great video. I feel congruent wuth the list, especially as there's more on the list I have passed on than purchased. Maybe the entire list. I watched while sipping Pinhook Bourbon War (7 year old MGP), thinking I must find the next release in 2024. I will probably not purchase an Old Forester 1920 (Bourbon War so much more my current jam also at 115 proof) or Redbrest with coloring. I have Eagle Rare at the top of my buy list wherever I shop. Cheers