Why Everything You’ve Been Told About Food Is Wrong | Tim Spector
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- It’s a bold claim: that (almost) everything you’ve been told about food is wrong. But by the end of today’s conversation, I think you’ll be questioning what you previously thought was true and embarking on a new way of eating that’s right for you.
My guest, Tim Spector, is a Professor of Genetic Epidemiology and Head of the Department of Twin Research at King’s College London. He’s a leading expert on the gut microbiome whose work has transformed what we know about nutrition and health.
Tim’s latest work highlights how much we really don’t know about food. Aside from the consensus that plant foods are good for us, ultra-processed junk foods are not, there’s very little evidence or expert agreement on anything else. So there’s most definitely not a one-size-fits-all ‘correct’ way to eat.
During our chat we cover calorie counting, artificial sweeteners, the dangers of ultra-processed foods and how poor science lets the food industry maintain that its products are healthy, simply because they’ve not been proven to be harmful. We discuss the benefits of fasting, and the perception that you need to graze all day. The diet industry perpetuates the myth that if we don’t have a snack to hand at all times, we’ll have an energy dip, lack focus and we might even faint! For most of us, it’s actually the reverse that’s true.
With this in mind, we agree that nutrition should be at the heart of the curriculum in schools. Our children can cope at school without mid-morning and afternoon snacks. I share Tim’s passion that we should be teaching our children how to recognise real versus fake food with the same enthusiasm that we teach them to read and write.
I find the concept of personalised nutrition hugely empowering. As Tim states in his most recent book, ‘You are very unlikely to be average’. I’ve seen it first-hand with my patients, many of whom respond completely differently to the same ways of eating. It’s why I describe my approach as ‘diet agnostic’ and, like Tim, I’d actively encourage you to start experimenting with what, how and when you eat. I hope this conversation inspires you to explore what makes you thrive.
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I'm 80 YO and I just started getting my food intake in order. I've lost nearly 30 pounds (without really trying) and my GbA1C went from 6.7 to 5.4 in four and a half months. Still working to improve my blood sugar readings. working hard and looking forward to reaching my 100th birthday!
Bless you on your wellness journey!!!
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Thank you for writing this comment, though I am majority of the time whole food plant based vegan, I think it reaches more to the human condition, that change is always possible. Kind of gives me some hope
@@naveennandigum8630 - Scroll up and read my post.
Your blood sugar will only be high in the morning as your body will create glucose for breakfast. Text it when you get up and 4 hours later. You’ll see it’s resolved itself. It is just converting fat. 🙂
I grew up in the south in the 60s and 70s and we did intermittent fasting. We didn't know it at the time because we were dirt poor and didn't have any other choice. We also could play from sun up to sun down without food and had a ton of energy. Being overweight was virtually unheard of in adults and there wasn't one single kid in my school who was overweight. We also ate real unprocessed food at that time because no one had money for fast food. Also they didn't really exist in my very small town. Sugar was something we got on special occasions, which is probably why, when I saw a dentist from the first time at 12 years old he couldn't believe how perfect my teeth were, not one cavity.
I grew up in about the same time frame but in a wealthier area. Still, being overweight was unusual and really heavy, which is now almost a norm, was freakish. Maybe in my high school class there was one kid who was really heavy. I don't know what the specific difference is but back then people weren't taking oxycontin very often either.
Are you telling me you never ate apple or pecan pies that are really popular in south
@@fxmomotrader3606 they're telling you they had it on special occasions
Same here and the only takeaway food back then reserved for once a week if you were lucky, was fish & chips or pies and peas in our village.
There are still so many unknowns when it comes to the Nutritional part of our lives. If they have the answers we'd all be thin and they'd all be billionaires. The fact is we don't have the answers. You say you grew up in the South well I grew up in California in the Bay Area for fruits and fresh vegetables were there and plentiful and then 30 years later I moved to the Deep South where the diet of the average person was unlike what I grew up with. A lot depends on our genetics I strongly believe that and no personally I do better as a woman with a little higher protein and a lower simple carbohydrates. Again all I can say is we just don't have the answers but I do believe one thing and that is that our genes or genetics have memory and if we know what our ancestors feasted upon we do better in my case being mostly Italian heritage as far as my DNA shows we still eat that way and another thing I found was purchasing milk that has most of the lactose removed. It seems to be easier on me to not bother my stomach and I enjoy it that goes for adding a little bit of cream to my coffee that has most of the sugars removed
When I grew up in the 60's and 70's it was always 3 meals a day and if it wasn't eaten then there were no snacks and you went hungry. I think this snacking thing is just a marketing hype to sell more processed food, perhaps we all need to go back to basics. This interview has given my something to think about.
Thanks for sharing Yvonne!
“You’ll ruin your appetite!” Remember that? We weren’t allowed to go in the kitchen and help ourselves. We were told what we could eat and when. We weren’t fat and we were healthy and we had all the energy we needed to get through the day.
@@markbrakebill1057 I have RA I have found since intermittent fasting , eat only between 12 and 4 daytime , it has changed my life .
I remember being sooooo hungry between meals and my mother saying ‘Nonsense! You can’t possibly be hungry. You had lunch only three hours ago’.
I think it’s good for growing, active children too eat snacks. We definitely did as kids, maybe just an apple or a yoghurt.
Of course I don’t do it as an adult, simply because I don’t get hungry that often anymore, as I have finished growing. If I ate a snack after breakfast I wouldn’t get hungry for lunch. I don’ even understand why someone is hungry at 10am when they had (a supposedly filling) breakfast at around 8am. Baffles me.
In the olden days people ate food and nowdays we obsess over food. Great interview.
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Thanks, you've confirmed what I've come to know. My advice to friends is try eating only when you're hungry, properly hungry. Then you will start to enjoy your food- forget fine dining, natural food eaten with a good appetite trumps that. I'm a fisherman and nothing sharpens your concentration more than catching your next meal with a rumbling stomach, and nothing will taste as good.
Forget fine dining? We frequent fine dining places that grow their own food, use local produce and even forage. However I should be avoiding the sweet course...........................
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I want to read every book that this doctor has on his show. This one resonated with me so much. I lost 3 &1/2 stone in last the last year basically a wake up call from having prediabetes, tiredness, fatigue also fatty liver. I dropped sugar and lost a stone within a month just doing that alone and then went onto revising my diet. I basically stuck to whole foods cut out all the sugar foods and had much smaller meal in evening. I also took up exercise everyday. I feel 20 years younger, my tiredness has gone and energy levels shot right up to what they were in my 30s (I'm now 64) and more importantly my blood sugar is back to normal range...no prediabetes. I follow my bodies natural need for food, usually exercise first in morning before breakfast which usually ends up with me eating my first meal at mid day . My diet consist of fruit, nuts, veg, leafy greens meat and fish, brown rice and pasta but I focus on the size of my meals. I now look thin, feel great and can function at a much better rate...health is one of the most important gifts we can give ourselves and it IS possible to achieve, I was thrilled to discover my results after 6 months of changing my diet...it really does work.
I am envious! Well done!
The older I become, the more convinced I am that corporates are evil and need to be broken up.
...and then they should be prosecuted for committing slow genocide, because the evidence is all there on record.
Agree. I consider every supermarket my anemy so as every dealer that want me to get hooked on any drug by giving me for free or dirty cheep.
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Evil? Nobody forces you to buy anything. You are responsible for the results of your own decisions.
@@vatsmith8759 What has corporations being evil got to do with shopping?
I went sugar free three years ago and keep my carbs below 20 net per day and have lost 6 stone over three years. I was pre diabetic and now my HbA1C is in the non diabetic range. The carbs I eat are in salads and above ground vegetables. I do intermittent fasting and usually finish eating around 5pm and won’t eat again until 1-2 pm or later the next day. I now do an hours exercise a day as I have more energy but lost four stone before I did anything. You definitely can’t outrun a bad diet! By eliminating the bad carbs I have reduced my cravings and my hunger!
Are you eating fruit? Just hit me when he said prediabetic that I often crave to drink some sweet juice more often, not like before, amd the symtoms match, however it could be from other sources. I am starting with herbs and diet and cutting off in a new start as I lost my way before when bot getting better, but knowing more why now🌷
Are you badly constipated and have hemorrhoids since you eat very little fiber
@@Runner466 yea BS. You're just making am argument.
@@gzmz1993 o
You are an example to all and show that individual human beings are special and should not be abused by money makers.
My daughter went to a birthday party in a hall about 24 years ago when she was about 4 or 5. As she was always reluctant to drink, I checked that she had had a drink. She said no, so I asked why not. She said they only had fizzy orange or coke. I said why didn't you have water. She replied 'they didn't have any'. Says it all!
Kids have a faster meta bolism & soon hungry. Out here they either bring their home tiffin-Obento or be served a hot meal for all by di school like its done here. It consists of a nutritious porridge soup of mixed Lentils & rice (+ veges....Or just hand rolled bread with mix Lentil soup + veges i.e ( just mix veges with chapati, or bread 'n milk, banana/apple). Sir how about... If Yr school cud serve yr kids 1banana (or apple), milk, 1boiled Egg+bread (toast), paid by their parent ❣️✌
@@sreeladevi1780 you didn't learn anything from the SCIENTIST! Children shouldn't eat starchy food or sugary sweets, most of the children in the UK. are overweight with health problems from TOO MANY CARBS!
I don’t drink soda but it was a party so you are judging people based on a party. I imagine they had cake instead of salad as well. 🙄
@@cq8822 not judging, just think it incredible that there was no water as well as fizzy drinks. After all, surely every restaurant provides water for the table
They don't have a faucet with running water?
Gosh. Two absolutely gorgeous men speaking my language. Amazing conversation. As an educator in the UK I’m soldiering on trying to spread the same message.
Thanks Mimi. Wishing you all the best with your work!
So much ignorance and stupidity in Uk when it comes to healthy eating.
I would not know when to start. Good luck in trying.
Our next debate is: 'It's Time The West Got Tough On China' Do you agree?
Ha ha! - a little "eye candy" can act like "a spoonful of sugar" Great interview! It's reassuring that I've been on the right track food wise.
@@ConstructiveMinds100 🇬🇧 eats 🐦
61 years old - decent athlete in younger years - metabolism slowed - put on weight - discovered low carb and intermitent fasting - weight back to normal - killing it as "old guy"
I am 65 and have a similar story.
This is music to my ears, I am studying Naturopathy at the moment and funnily enough it's due to my own health journey, I find that once you see things declining in ourselves it gives us a wake up call.. I come from an NHS background as my mum has worked within that industry for 33yrs however i am only now taking this seriously. I absolutely love watching these interviews it helps me with studying x
Be the change!
Stay as far away as you can from naturopathy. It's the biggest mumbo jumbo you can ever stumble upon. Just don't...
@@devidia It's not a mumbo jumbo . It's just that majority out there have no clue what it really is .
@@devidia . Naturopathic Medicine saved my life (where pharmaceuticals had made me worse). Given it relates mainly to diet, herbs and supplements (natural methods), for you to say it is mumbo jumbo, either you are confusing it with something else.....or you are a representative of a pharmaceutical company 🤪
@@MrsSlocombesPuddyCat I highly doubt that. Glad you are healthy nonetheless
I watched this a year ago but thought it was time to revisit. Excellent talk. When I first heard Tim say 30 different plants a week I thought there’s no way I can manage that but it’s much easier than I thought. I include herbs & spices much more than I did before & that all counts towards 30. I now eat very little processed food & try to have 14+ hours without food. At 60 something my weight had crept up over the last few years but I’ve lost 10lbs over the last 6 months & my body seems to have settled around 9 stone. Knee pain I’ve had for 3 years has reduced probably due to the weight loss but also hopefully decreased inflammation. Regarding artificial sweeteners, my husband has used them for 30+ years & despite me trying to encourage him to cut them out he was always resistant! A few months ago he cut down from 2 to 1 which pleased me a lot, but said he didn’t really enjoy tea & coffee with just 1 so tried going without, which he preferred so now he doesn’t use sweeteners at all. Result! Our taste can adapt easily even in our 60’s. Spoon Fed is a great read. Thanks Dr Rangan & Prof Tim.
What's wrong with sweeteners? Is this something Tim says? Currently 40 mins in.
@@AndrewHelgeCox basically they’re a load of chemicals & research has shown they can alter the make up of the gut microbiome which can lead to poor blood sugar control so increasing the chance of T2 diabetes. Not good for other health issues either. Plus they just keep that “sweet tooth” thing going so it’s better all round if you can do without them!
@@16Elless Damn, hot drinks are one of my few treats, and the sugar+sweetener I've switched to has gotten me from two spoons of sugar per mug to half a spoon of sugar. I thought I was doing well there.
@@AndrewHelgeCox many years ago before sweeteners were even a thing I used to have 3 sugars in tea. A relative “shamed” me into cutting down which I did 1/2 teaspoon at a time, took about 6 weeks & I haven’t had any in drinks now for nearly 50 years. Never used sweeteners myself but OH finally stopped after over 30 years. You just get used to it & can still enjoy your hot drinks, with added smugness!!
@@16Elless Nothing tastes better than smug satisfaction! 😏 Next cuppa is due right now. I'll go with one spoon of sugar and take it from there.
I (67) changed my lifestyle about 4 years ago to a low carb/ high fat, also started having a little more exercise. I lost 70 pound in the first 9 months. Finally, I reversed my diabetes II. Changed my sober HB1AC from 7.8mmol/l to 5.4 mmol/l and normalized my blood pressure. On the side, I got rid of many chronic inflammations and even had a cold or flu in the last 4 years. I never feel so good. This professor is so right about food and its effect. I fast for 18 hours a day.
This is how diabetics ate a century ago. Rachael Oppenheimers cook book back in 1918 was all about low carb high fat. No insulin then & obviously worked.
Increase in diabetes, obesity & inflammatory conditions came with the push towards processed foods, high sugar, high carbs & low fat. Keto works yet NHS still pushes high proportion of carbs to diabetics. Keto - LCHF, intermittent fasting is effective. Weight comes off an blood results return to normal levels & can come off medication.
I think you have to adjust things for your own taste. I don’t like meat much. But I’m sure that if I cut down as much as I can on carbs it will improve my health. Maybe I can get to the point where I cut them out altogether.
What kind of high fat foods did you eat?
@@mihaelaiacob3629 Salmon, bacon, Sardines, Hering, Coffee with mct oil (c8), Krill Oil, Real Butter etc..
@@IesKorpershoek, thank you!
This man is *so rational.* This was a wonderful break from all of the 2020 stuff. Thanks for the great conversation as always!
Glad you enjoyed the conversation Josh!
Thankyou for this. It was inspirational listening. Learnt a lot.
Thank you for this video. I am using food to heal from long term drug use for autoimmune disease in the US in a situation where I don't have health insurance. I don't have access to medical care, so food and intuitive eating have replaced drugs in my life. I had to do it for economic purposes, but the effects have been astounding. Hearing podcasts like this help me realize I'm doing better out of the main stream medical system regarding my health than I ever did in it. Please continue this work. People like myself need this information.
Bravo :-) well done.
What autoimmune condition do you have?
How ironically fortunate for you that pharmaceuticals are too expensive and you have been forced to address root cause to regain genuine health. Let’s imagine a world in that position. We can’t allow human appropriate food and supplements to be outlawed or monopolised. And we must ensure the sense becomes common.
@@yvonne3903 Hypothyroidism
@@dmackle3849 Yes!! Food is such good medicine. I am imagining a world were everyone has access to healthy, chemical free, GMO free, good, wonderful food and healthy, clean, clear water.
💚💚💚yes, it is so hard to make sure my children are eating REAL food at school. I actually am appreciating the current school at home because we eat our meals and don't need snacks.
I enjoy being hungry - not necessarily feeling starving - as then I enjoy my food better and differently. I don’t wish to keep eating too much day after day.
Many confuse appetite as hunger.
I now realize that I love to eat & food its a source of pleasure but I'm also able to do multiple day fasts without physical hunger.
I've been mostly OMAD for 2 decades. Is that a factor for hunger tolerance?
Dr Rangan Chatterjee is how a Dr is meant to be.
He does his research on good health and then produces such a wealth
Of knowledge on how we might, improve our lives to make our future bright.
Thank you Dr C and Prof Tim.👏
Wouldn't it be great if one was able to see doctors like this on NHS. Many lives & so much money & time would be saved,
Just come across this channel. what a wonderfully thoughtful and intelligent conversation between you two!
Great talk, so happy after 30 years in the NHS to hear Drs speaking to this - its always been so obvious to me and have been working at grass roots on this subject for a decade. Well done!
Thanks for commenting and watching and well done on all your work at grass roots level!
In Israel a new law has been forced on food companies. All foods that are high in sugar, Saturated fat and salt have to be labeled as such, with a big red warning label.
I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for sharing!
Well they danger is that they have it wrong, as they have by saying saturated fat is evil. Now the cardiologists are recanting on this. See work of Nina Teicholz and look at the way Ancel Keyes was blindly followed in the 60s. That myth about saturated fat started there.
@@T-aka-T Firstly you do know that Nina Teicholz is funded by the Meat and Dairy industry, so its no surprise that she promotes a high fat intake.
Secondly most Doctors and that includes Cardiologist, have absolutely no clue about nutrition, and those that do are not high Saturated fat fans, just the opposite
Thirdly some Cardiologist are simply putting it out there for financial gain. Eg Dr Gundry and his BS about Lectins are bad for you in his book Plant Paradox. Have it known he sells a Lectin blocking supplement.
But dont let science get in the way of your beliefs, and enjoy your high cholesterol.
@@mikemasail823 i am a MD and after studying the topic for many years i don`t think cholesterol is the cause of atherosclerosis .....so enjoy your saturated fats and forget about your cholesterol as long as your triglycerides are low and HDL high you will be fine.
@@hiraijo1582 Thanks but no thanks, but I am very glad that I will never be using you as my doctor.
THE BEST conversation I have seen online-or maybe anywhere-about food, our diets, and health. FINALLY someone recognizes how individual our choices need to be, and how we must listen to our bodies. I’m off to buy Dr. Spector’s book. Thank you both! Dr. Chatterjee; you are equally awesome!
Really eye opening. I agree with Yvonne Coogan - I grew up at the same time and it was 3 meals a day and if you didn't eat dinner, there was nothing else offered. I am empowered to try some of the concepts that were stated here, as I am older now and I might be more in line with Mr. Spector's daily diet. Thank you for this Dr. Chatterjee.
It's a great and informative book. Pure science and solid research and some common sense. I wish I had read this book and the associated and referenced studies before I had weight loss surgery. I might have been able to reach my goals without it. However, now post-surgery, I'm fiercely dedicated to feeding my microbiome to ensure my weight loss is long term. I got some great feedback from Tim on Twitter and it was very motivating for the future. Please get him back on in the future as more research comes to light. Thanks!
Thanks for sharing Ryan and we do plan to do another podcast in the near future!
This reasonable approach is great. I love eating home-grown herbs, wild pineapple weed, stinging nettle, and lavendar growing in lots, woods, and gardens. I really enjoy the idea of feeding your microbiome. Like a garden, it can be very resilient. You just have to be patient, observe, learn, experiment, and avoid letting the "slugs of snacking" or the "aphids of indigestion" spoil your garden. Eat slow, fast a bit before bed, and upon waking. .
I remember, growing up, in the 60's there was very little choice in the realm of soft drinks.
Coke/Lemonade was a once a week treat, our parents bought us, while we sat in the car outside the pub. We had lemon and orange squash, great on a hot summer's day. But, I can still remember my mother saying, when we said we were thirsty that "there's plenty of water in the tap!"
My parents called tap water’Corporation Pop’
@@jodavb absolutely never had a soda pop never
@@lytwerq not in the country it's full of dissolved calcium and whatever that other mineral is stuff that collects around your heart over the years
30 plants a week, fermented food, mix it up , and be a citizen scientist💕
Thanks for the comment Aliya!
5 animals per week!
Smoke different plants daily
Eating plants is really bad for you - th-cam.com/video/s8tJ-R28HX8/w-d-xo.html
@@KashifRazzaqui only if you've had too many antibiotics and don't eat organic.
What a great conversation. It was a pleasure to feast on this science backed, brilliantly prepared and freshly served common sense. While advising me about the best food for my body I also received a delicious portion of food for thought. Thank you!
Very interesting. Confirmed a lot of what I’ve read in the last few years, but learned new stuff too. Thank you for making such good content and guests available for free on your channel. Really appreciate your ongoing efforts to help people’s health. I’ve been introduced to so many interesting doctors and researchers through your books and podcasts, keep up the good work.
Thanks so much Diana. So glad you are enjoying the books and podcasts!
Zoe, Dr Specktor's personalized food analysis, is working for me. I have had a largely plant based diet but I need to avoid starchy veggies, grain, dairy and most meat. With some changes of degree of use, and following the personalized recommendations in the app, it has been the most effective, easy change I have ever tried.
Wow! What a great interview. Great job, and thank you for bringing us this valuable information.
Tim Spector is right; you do need a slap in the face to wake up, as I found out myself. Like Tim, I had gradually been gaining weight. I thought it was just the expected middle aged spread. After an entire year of illness that began with a bad flu followed by bleeding in the stomach, muscle weakness, and rheumatoid factors that were very high, I was passed from one specialist to another, but no better. I finally went to a wholistic medical practitioner, who said she was considered a quack, but that she would restore me to better health. She did this by changing my diet, which had consisted of pasta, pizza, pies, pastries, and other convenience foods. The pernicious Ps and the convenience was killing me.
I ditched the fast food for fast fat, and now cook from scratch, eating mainly fruit, vegetables, and grilled fish or chicken on some days, always using healthy fats rather than vegetable or seed oils.
No sugar, low fat products, or processed foods come into my home, and that includes the highly processed, fake vegan meats. For drinks, it’s water, tea, and kombucha; definitely no softdrink. I do indulge in the occasional sweet tooth but don’t make a habit of it. I eat as much as I like at mealtime, and have kept the weight off easily. My health has also improved, but it took a major, health scare to get me onto, and to stay on the right track.
It was during my time of illness that I came across Tim’s excellent books on diet and the microbiome. I would encourage people to get a copy of The Diet Myth and Spoon Fed, which are a great read.
Thanks for this much needed and informative post. Change and better health will only come when people get the right information to make informed choices.
EVERYTHING you say here as well as the guest...has been known for MANY YEARS.....glad you finally were open to it...one thing more....if people would STOP all eating after 6pm....and start eating at 10am.....i believe it is impossible to be over weight
@@jadezee6316
If that means we can shorten the working day, so much the better.
@@jadezee6316 I usually stop eating at or around 4-430p and eat brekky around 8am the next day.
I would just add with all the respect that "it" was not killing you, you were killing yourself. It's a lack of self-care we are conditioned to often due to certain childhood experiences....it goes deeper than just eating healthily, it is the self-neglect resulting in taking our body for granted. That goes to our parents and their parents. It's a long chain and we have to get sick to break the chain. Congratulations to taking the opportunity and starting a self-care journey. Leafy greens are very important for a healthy microbiome. Sugar is, of course, vey bad which includes fruits if it's too much of it. Good luck on your journey to well-being.
@@h.a.s.42
Thanks, you are right about lack of self-care. It’s like the instructions given by flight crew to put your own oxygen mask on before you try to help others; or as someone said to me: if you put yourself last, you won’t last.
Another great podcast and one we all need to listen to. Thanks for having Tim on as I am now halfway thought "Spoon Fed" wow! Love this guy as he's just not afraid of saying it as it is! Brilliant.
It does however leave one left with the feeling of what and who can you really believe. The NHS :( probably not, the UK GOV, again probably not. Your GP if you could ever actually just ask a simple question, nope. Plus when you visit a GP, or NHS nowadays you wonder why they are not taking their own advice. Keep shouting out your message please. Love your books and podcasts and would love to take you course but I'm not a GP or medically trained.
I'm spanish, living in Portugal...sadly mediterranean diet which is a good concept, in X years will be just that, a concept. When you see how our kids and teens eat, they are already so into junk foods and bad habits. All EU countries need to invest in nutrition/food education at preschool already, their role is very important...South EU has overweight kids too, you see them everywhere..and statistics says number is increasing...Sorry if someone disagrees with my comment. Thanks for your generosity Dr. Chatterjee🙏
Such a fascinating interview. Thanks for this. I've just heard of Dr Spector after his Spectator interview about the C19 ZOE app. He's utterly brilliant. I'm going to start a new way of eating based on his suggestions and listen to my body. Also, I've been exercising I'm mornings on no food, and find this to be the best time and way for me to exercise. If I eat first, or exercise I'm afternoon/evening, just doesn't feel as good and I am more tired. Want to read more about his microbiome work next :) 👌🏻💪🏻🙏
I really enjoyed listening to this and have taken the advice on board. Thank you.
I’m fat adapted. Fasting is super easy. Honestly I forget to eat so often that I need to get my wife to remind me when I last ate. I’m in a 48 hour fast right now which I do once a month.
It's not right to put that labour on yr wife. Write it down and leave her the eff alone jfc
its very hard at first. The first time I skipped breakfast intentionally my body almost had a panic attack :) The first time I tried 2day fasting I felt like I was almost dying in the end of the second day.
@@hineko_ haha, yep. In high school I used to eat very little, often only dinner, and I learned then that if you ignore the hunger it will pass, but I remember talking w an overweight friend about it and he was like wtf na man I've never done that that's crazy lol. Like I couldn't believe he'd never ignored his hunger it was so normal for me I assumed everyone knew what it was like. But yea now I'm older I know how difficult it can be if your bodies used to regular food intake, definitely an adjustment especially depending on what food you're used to. Amazing how the body adapts.
It may or may not adapt… I’ve heard of people attracting a rare form of TB with not following the age old rules of nutrition. They ignore food as a habit and yes, give wives a tough time😊
So many great conversations. Thanks! As always looking forward to listen!
Thanks Jenny - hope you enjoy!
I am 71. When I was at school we did not have snacks, but a government supplied third of a bottle of full cream milk every morning at break time.
My son had hypoglycemia, and he would have total meltdowns several times a week. So we went to high protein meals 3x/day and 2 high protein snacks in midmorning and mid-afternoon. His meltdowns went to once or twice a month and school became much easier. I would never have given him a sugary high carb snack! 😱 There madness lies!
Another excellent episode and so deeply healing and affirming. So much confusing information out there in the States that it is challenging to keep yourself well. I also notice much of the same evidence in my aging parents regarding how food impacts their health challenges and the confusing directives provided by their physicians (which so far, have not helped - very frustrating) Thank you both!
Thanks for sharing Shawn. Glad you enjoyed the episode!
A wonderful conversation.
Thanks for your work, Dr Chatterjee. Been a fan since Tom Bileu’s interview with you.
Growing up in China in the 80s, my mom would not allow me to eat snacks before a meal. We also had very limited supplies of processed food. The “junk food” I can think of are cookies and cakes which were often made at local bakeries. Even then not many industrial chemicals were available.
Regarding IF, I actually switched my fasting window from 8pm to to noon to around 5 pm to 9 am. I actually starve now at around 8 and I don’t crave food anymore at night. Going to bed stuffed would be the worst feeling and it will destroy my sleep. I changed my sleep schedule and I work out in the morning. So it shows the body can adapt. I have a hard time imagining doing the 5:2 splits because it wouldn’t work for my workout schedule and dealing with over 1,000 calorie difference between days would be hard. I like the daily IF a lot better.
Since 2015 I have been excluding carbohydrates, have more energy without grains, cereal, bread, potatoes, cakes, sugar etc, no nightshade family veg, no legumes... Eat only good high fats, beef dripping, tallow, extra virgin olive oil, avocado, nuts not pecan, fermented foods, organic meats, pastured eggs. My health has improved, depression and autoimmune disorders, weight strength improved and not been to GP since September 2014. Incidentally, my adult identical twins are part of that study, and my mother was an identical twin they died 6 weeks apart. My mother had suffered ulcerative colitis, and other autoimmune problems but her sister did not.
I tried this... it was a disaster for me... felt terrible, gained so much weight ... Having read Tim's book spoon-fed the take home message was One size does NOT fit all.... I'm now Vegan, 64 years old back to a very nice healthy weight and feel amazing... However, I have never had a sweet tooth so that has never been a problem for me... I kick-started the new me following the starch solution ...but very quickly moved on to 50/50 plate ... now just Plantbased Vegan for myself and my husband... We've not been so healthy in over 20 years ... Even his Blood pressure now normal ... The important thing is... what works for one may not work for another....
Thankyou Professor Tim & Dr Rangan.
I agree our children need to be Educated in the field of Nutrition from an early age! Also the importance of identifying real versus fake food.
Learning to relax with food carefully chosen and lovingly prepared.
Teach your children to eat bitter foods and fermented foods. More important than you can imagine.
We need to teach the adults first. My 4 year old granddaughter eats ham sandwiches, fruit and snack type foods. That’s it! I’m deemed to be the food police when I try and point out the dangers of such a narrow diet.
Wow this was so great to hear...imagine an academic that admits to having made mistakes??!!!! This is what the world needs. Simply the Truth.
This is very informative.. I am a teacher and what you both have said about meals in schools is an eye opener.. I've even encouraged children to have their snack when they didn't want to, thinking I was helping them 😲
Also, I've always found the different diets for different folks to be true in my ongoing search to find what works for me. Do you have any videos/content on how we can deal with thyroid issues? Things out there are so contradictory and frustrating to say the least. Thanks again for this conversation.
This is one of the best conversations on health and diet I have ever listened to thank you
Thank you Rangan, for bringing in such wonderful and knowledgeable guests. Your continued efforts to help and inform us is very much appreciated and you deliver everything is such an understandable and down to earth manner.
Thanks so much Jen - appreciate the feedback!
Such an earnest and logical conversation. So many concepts clarified. Thanks for adding beauty in our years.
This is a brilliant interview thanks for bringing this to us so interesting & informative... this needs to be shown on main TV so many more can benefit from this information... not enough information has been given to nutrition & how it heals us ...
Thanks so much Paddy. Appreciate you watching this and taking time to comment!
@@DrChatterjeeRangan I’ve ordered the book, I’ll share with my daughters there’s not enough about nutrition & health ... I’m so surprised there’s been no real info with COVID-19 virus & how what we eat effect us in so many ways
What's TV. ? EYES MIND HEART AND SOUL WIDE OPEN NO FEAR... .
So enjoyed this interview, informative & balanced
Thank you Doctors for being honest in trying to bring another approach to health. Luckily for me I was a kid of the 50s onwards so didn’t have fast food nor much sugar, probably because we were a working family with limited resources. My Mum would walk from shop to shop so stayed healthy and we ate little meat with lots of veg, all organic in those days ‘cos it was my job to pick off the bugs. This way of eating has stayed with me except I fast 18:6 and make my own kefir, butter, apple cider vinegar etc to improve my gut microbiology. Also I want to know what I am eating. Understand your food, it’s important.
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Thank you 🙏🏻 so much for this reasonable, logical, sane, intelligent information!!! I’ve experimented and experimented to try and be as healthy as possible. I’ve tried all diets and lifestyles, and it’s been a disaster!! Then I decided to start eating like my ancestors in Siena Italy, and I feel great. I was really amazed when you said that people from the mediterranean do better eating later in the day which I definitely do. When I eat in the morning, I feel tired and sluggish. All of these years I’ve been told by doctors what I needed to do, but they don’t account for individuality which has caused me years of distress!! SO THANK YOU!!🙏🏻
What a great Interview! I’m a holistic therapist and a great number of my clients would benefit hugely from good science based dietary advice. But without a qualification I’m not in a position to give it, despite 3 years of extensive research. I decided to do a course to obtain a qualification but within a few hours I had come across so many myths that I would have to teach my case studies that I abandoned the course. I feel so sad and frustrated that even the NHS website is still stuck in the last century in terms of scientific research. If anyone knows of a qualification I can study for which is up to date, please let me know. Thanks.
Thank you soooo much for giving me the validation to do what I've been doing (dietwise) and have always believed, where my own body is concerned. Have been a great fan of both of you for ages. I love doctors like you, you restore my faith in the medical profession. Jackie Leake
The best channel!!Quality guests and depth of the interviews !😍😍😍
Thanks so much. Really glad you are enjoying the channel and the podcast conversations!
I'm not fish person (except smoked salmon) and felt always guilty about not eating it. I'm very glad to hear the conclusion of your guest!!😍😍😍
This is a brilliant video; such an inspiring exchange between two hugely knowledgeable and empathetic people both who look the picture of health and intelligence, and whose ideas open a new vista of living. You just know they are offering such valuable insights so sensitively explained. LIFE CHANGING!
Absolutely brilliant interview. Thank you to both of you. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
As a mother, I am so glad that you talked about children and not only adults...thank you for this interview
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I’ve followed Tim for a while now and always learn something new from his podcasts. This one was particularly good. Thank-you Dr Chatterjee.
Thanks Devona - glad you enjoyed this one!
Processed foods, fast food, restaurant food have one thing in common, adulterated cooking oils which are processed by using high heat, additives and deodorizers. Adulterated oils in the grocery store used by many for cooking. As the use of these oils have increased so has all disease. Bad fats entering the cell.
Exactly. Seed oils are the number one toxin in the modern diet.
Eliminate all processed food and use healthy animal fat - render your own tallow or lard.
What about olive oil?
@@tobyo105 it’s a fruit oil so is heavy in omega 9 and not omega 6 like the seed oils. It’s considered good, but extra virgin is deemed the best version for health.
@@tobyo105 It is often less processed and heated than other oils. That said often olive oil has cheaper oils mixed in.
Thank you so much for sharing such an important subject. I have hyperactive thyroid for last few years and now I have developed a skin problems which call vitiligo. Currently I am not using any medication but In my research I have found out different food choice . One of your quotes always comes in my mind, you said "people know what to eat but they don't know how to". That's exactly happening in my daily life, I know which food will help me but some how I don't see much benefits of it. I wish I knew how to.
Coimbra Protocol helps with vitiligo. Have a look on Facebook for testimonies.
Our GMO fruits are now sickeningly sweet. GARBAGE
Thank you very much for sharing this amazing conversation!
Great information, and advice from Tim Spector which I would dearly love to follow. However, after months of suffering from microscopic colitis and being unable to digest the simplest of foods like plain rice, broccoli or eggs, I had to do something to heal the problem. I did not want to take steroids usually recommended by mainstream medicine as research showed steroids did not usually heal microscopic colitis. I realised my microbiome was in serious need of something it did not have. I had even tried good quality pro-biotics without success. Nothing worked until I tried the carnivore diet, and within 24 hours my symptoms stopped. I have now been on this diet for 2 months and have only had one flareup when I introduced egg yolk into my diet. Previous to getting microscopic colitis I considered my diet very healthy, especially as I had cut out all sugars over 7 years prior, then all gluten foods, so my diet was made up of natural whole foods. It appears that I could not digest plant food at all which was a real shock to me. The carnivore diet rather than being a 'fad' has resulted in some surprising and unexpected healing for many people, something worth looking into. I am looking forward to the day when I can add more variety and my gut is healed, but in the meantime I am the' experiment', enjoying the benefits of relief.
Great information. Gluten seems to be a big issue (negatively impacting) for many people. Terrible for the gut I know. Practically every processed food seems to contain it. Either as an ingredient or a filler
Yes. There seems to be a small substrata of folks who simply cannot take vegetables in the gut. Carnivore is *not* a fad but has cured some people of chronic disease. Let your body tell you what it needs.
Interesting Claire..thank you for sharing. I have had a similar journey. My physical and mental health were atrocious. Cutting out gluten, sugar, A1 dairy, seed oils all helped...especially on the mental health side...but autoimmune illness wise, I still have a way to go. I was intrigued by the success of Jordan Petersen and his daughter (and others) with severe autoimmune issues, who have massively improved them on a carnivore diet. I am easing myself in...as someone who didn't eat any meat for 23 years...(I wonder if that's significant?) anyway, I used up my veggies up first..moving to just fruit and animal products for a few days now. Already seen some improvement...may move to full carnivore soon....!!!!
I was diagnosed with an autoimmune disease and dealing with severe chronic pain, I stumbled upon keto wanting to lose weight, did dirty keto, then clean keto and now carnivore. My health improved immensely with each step. I eat beef, bacon, butter and eggs. I eat when hungry, until I’m full. No more cravings and my pain is GONE, labs are great! I will eventually start testing other foods as my gut heals. My health better than has ever been, I’m 58
That's fascinating, thank you for sharing your experiences.
Good to have someone from the UK , thank you very much , I enjoyed your talk , if only they were to teach children this information it would help them to grow much healthier
Our schools need to teach our children to grow food and learn to access food from the garden 🥬 cook it and enjoy their food. Balanced with exercise, other ways of enjoying life and nurturing nature.
@@JulieTasker the school I worked in did have a small allotment. There was a science course for non-academic children called Rural Science. Then the 1986 National Curriculum came along and all children had to do the same course. The majority of the timetable was taken by the Foundation subjects; there was very little space left for practical subjects such as cooking.
There's simply no space in the curriculum for adding in all the things that people suggest schools should teach ! This week I have seen British sign language , gardening,relationships (and now nutrition) . These are all things that need specialists to teach them properly ,rather like Latin and computer programming that was dumped in primary teachers ' laps with no specialist knowledge and no training - they already teach 10 subjects . Teachers agree with you though ,we agree cookery and BSE and gardening and computing and first aid and swimming should be taught - but teachers can't do it in school .
Excellent podcast. My two favourite Doctors. Loving the idea of finding out what works for you.
Thanks so much June!
The gut biome is fascinating and some complex, but in a beautiful way. The Mind-Gut Connection- by Emerson Mayer started a new level of education as to how my body really works and things I really need to do to improve my gut microbes... which are fundamental to all aspects of our health and well being. Then I discovered Why We Sleep by Professor Mathew Walker... all of this was pre-COVID 19... and then The Circadian Code by Satchin Panda... and now Breathe by James Nestor and The Oxygen Advantage by Patrick McKeown... the combination of this pillars of my own Heath and healing have been so positively transformative for my family. My family has been healthier and happier then ever before. Your interviews are wonderful and I love listening. Thank you so much!!!❤️🌱
I've only recently discovered Tim's stuff. Until now the best general dietary advice I'd come across was (from Michael Pollan's In Defense of Food): eat food, mostly plants, not too much. Including Tim's stuff (at least until it can be easily individualised); I modify it to: eat food, mostly lots of different plants, not too much.
Plants can NOT run away so they produce a host of toxic chemicals such as glutens , phytates , lectins and others . Humans are essential carnivores with no essential need of dietary carbohydrates!
All necessary nutrients are contained in animal produces( Plant nutrients are less available and contain anti nutrients too)
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Graph of reduced (nearly zero) absorption due to plant toxins
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Vegans deficient in B-12 affects cognition
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Exellent advice for everybody👌Thank you So very much to both doctors 🙏
Thanks Florica. Appreciate the feedback!
Excellent conversation, thank you so much for sharing!
Appreciate the kind words, thank you!
Thankyou Rangan and Tim. I'm in Tim's twins study and also did Predict. Very interesting to hear your views. Will certainly try to eat more variety. Love your aquarium microbiome analogy!
I have been going on road trips with my grandchildren for the last decade. I have noticed the food quality and reusable packaging has improved. The snaking time out was so shocking to me.
Intermittent fasting 2 meals a day, has worked for me. What Dr Tim said, the 5-2, for me would not work. I do low carb/ almost no carb, and no breakfast, and it os my preferred standard.
My mom’s diet was not good, and she suffers from IBS, have been trying to teach her about better nutrition. Hopefully, I’ll be that grandma who teaches along with my children, my grands good nutrition!
I found teaching my kids how to read nutrition labels and understanding what 6..10...28..grams of sugar looks like helped a lot. We also have watched documentaries on sugar as a family. It's certainly helped them understand why parents have a stance on not having too much sugar in the diet. Are we angels? No, I'll bake to treat us but we do our utmost best to stay away from processed foods out of the household so we are not tempted by them.
Very interesting 👍🏽totally subscribed, thanks for uploading oceans of knowledge
Thank you. Excellent interview. Maybe, hopefully, I can hope that people will wake up to how the food industry is manipulating people.
Agree. Eat real foods and if needed read food label to know what your putting in your body. Reading is so important!!!
Being a home school Mom, when my children ate 3 meals as day, they would dramatize being hungry two hours after eating which thoroughly perplexed me. I later learned of the "all gone" sensation which was the passing of food through the intestines. I put them on two meals a day, 9a and 3p. And if the meal was delayed for some reason, they neither showed nor expressed any hunger?!?!? I was then more urgent to feed them because they hadn't eaten in six hours, and I didn't want them falling out.
Lots covered here. So informative. Thank you 👌
Great conversation, highly informative. Thanks Rangan 👍
Rangan …. I absolutely LOVE your videos, but when I look at the length of them I often end up giving them a miss because I just can’t fit it into my evening. Is there anyway you can condense the message into a more manageable chunk ? After all you are most EXCELLENT at breaking things down into manageable chunks !!!😂
I'm appalled at the amount of junk food so many people eat in my circle. And I'm not talking about just snacks. Whole foods rarely ever cross their path. Eating a piece of fruit or having more than one vegetable at a meal, let alone in a day, is foreign to them. The other thing I see is constant grazing...we don't need to eat between meals and we do not need 3 meals a day either..AND the volume of food people eat amazes me. I grew up never eating until lunch time..that is when I broke the fast..no snacks before or after supper, and no treats like cookies, soda, etc daily..the were rare. And our portions of meat/animal were minuscule. We ate this way out of necessity b/c money was in short supply. AND none of us had excess weight. I abandoned most of that when I got dumb and began listening to the experts who told me I MUST eat breakfast, I must eat several times a day, I MUST avoid almost all fat, and I must have a minimum of 5 to 7 servings of fruits/veggies a day. No way could I eat what is 'required' per the experts. I got fat doing what they promoted. And I got sick..I finally woke up and realized the way I grew up eating was much better. In 2020 I had lost my appetite due to some sad things that happened and my food intake no longer driven by hunger resulted in me losing 20 pounds w/o trying. Prior I struggled to lose weight, it seemed nigh impossible. What I do now is prob. considered intermittent fasting b/c I eat twice a day and I only eat IF I'm hungry. I no longer feel like a slave to my appetite that was driven by too much sugar and too few nourishing foods.
fantastic interview!! Very enlightening. have now got the book too!
No one is talking about the nutritional benefit of breast feeding over bottle feeding of ANY milk…there is a biofeedback loop from baby’s saliva to mother’s milk glands that changes the composition of the milk during a feeding, and from feeding to feeding. Feeding from the breast also allows the baby to learn to respond properly to leptin and grehlin.
Eating to lose weight and eating for health can be very different. I eat a whole food plant based diet, seasonal as often as possible and also spend many hours a week growing my own food using a no dig method. I'm buying veg at the moment because I'm not experienced enough to grow enough for winter but next year I'll improve. I've never liked breakfast. I gave up dairy 10 years ago after developing breast cancer. It was easy after that to become vegan. I'll be 67 on Christmas day and feel great. Home grown sprouts parsnip and squash will be on the table.
If you're not already may I suggest you harvest edible weeds (if they're available in your locality).
On the age thing, I’m over 60 and do 14-16 hour IF, I know 2 other women over 60 and one in her early 50’s who have done similar things, and we have all had remarkable results. If one is older, there are a lot of little things that are less than perfect, and many of them improve very quickly on the IF.
14 + 16 does not equal 24 ??
1:19:58 can’t thank you enough for that, stay Blessed both of you, this was informative as well as rejuvenating conversation.
Very practical advice backed by science. Brilliant Prof Tim spector thank you. Ordered the book on audible
If you are fat adapted fasting for 10-24 hours is easy, if you are a carb burner you will have difficulties because of your insulin swings.
Did Keto for a few months, Carnivore for a few weeks, and relatively loose IF since more than a year now. Even tho I do eat a lot carbs at the moment my hunger is very manageable. The problem is just getting people to start experimenting.
How do you know which you are
@@Phoenix-ov7vb Sorry, what do you mean? Do you mean how you know if you are fat adapted?
@@DuDeMBR yes , how can you tell. I dont have heart monitors and stuff. Are there any other signs ?
@@Phoenix-ov7vb There is a lot of signs. You will be able to better listen to your body. You will feel less hungry, have better mental clarity and your body will feel different. A lot of the fat adaption will happen quite quickly, meaning within a few weeks. But it can still improve over a long timespan.
Just trust your body. Even if you aren't in Ketosis 100% of the time you will still have a lot of the benefits. If that isn't enough then you need to do blood tests.
I'm a teacher at a French school where snacking is frowned upon. There are strict rules of fruit or homemade snacks only that have to fit into a tiny box. It's true that we haven't got many overweight children but I don't believe depriving children of eating when they're hungry is the right way to go. Many of the children are tired, cold and say they feel hungry. Many are tiny and look malnourished. I'm not saying to feed them unhealthy food but they need to eat more often than adults do
Yes, children who are malnourished need rules that are different from children and adults who do well eating well three times a day.
Thanks for the interview. You are both pioneers and leaders in your approach to raising public health awareness with healthy food inventions.
In Croatia we had amazing school meals till mid 2000 but after 2008 till 2020 food became horrible, but in last 2 years we are on the way to serve only organic food and meals are becoming way better. No candy machines in school etc.But in kindergartens food is truly amazing They need to prepare amazing meals that are from veggie and sugar is reduced to fruit and pudding nothing more if only. So im happy with that.
Excellent take on the real issues of Eating and Drinking right and looking at the Blue Zones of Longevity and considering all factors including indigenous living factors. Holistic Chef Barry is a former person living with extreme obesity more than 30 years ago and now today living in good health with a flat stomach and enjoying his new lease on life live on the pearl island of Phuket Thailand of the Garden Villa Phuket Retirement Vacation Nature Retreat.
Wim Hof, Tim Spector 👍🏼👊🏼 Two of my heroes with regard to well-being and you introduced me to a new addition to that list jenna macciochi whose book I'm reading. Keep up the good work man
What a beautiful mind to care about the future of our children. I think the template letter for schools is a great idea.
Buteyko > Wim Hof
Thanks Jacky - appreciate the kind words!
@@lordnelsonmc.billionberg9166 Fair enough. Different breathing techniques have different benefits in different situations. I also am a fan of Butyeko breathing
What a fascinating conversation. Thank you!
Dr. Spector is a hero!!! Thank you so much for this!!!😁👍🏽✌🏽
May consider a interview with Gabor Erdosi. "The important part is that it’s ultra-refined/synthetic food"
Will check out, for sure, Thanks for the recommendation!
And Dr. Gundry (I agree with him and this solution worked for me, but for the life of me I can't understand why him or anybody else suggests yolks, or egg whites only. If the food is not good as is, don't eat it.)
I don’t eat anything after 5 o’clock and won’t eat again until 8 o’clock in the morning and I sleep like a log 👍😉
Amazing!
I've been experimenting with intermittent fasting. Have done two and three days fast. Think I'm going to work up to 5 10 20 and then 40 day h20 fasts. Render my body into / induce autophagy
That’s great for a beginner!! Keep it up!! I finish eating at 9:30 PM and eat again at 4:30 PM or 5:30 PM the next day. This gives me the benefits of autophagy.
I can't sleep at all
Lucky!
Thanks for the interview. Very interesting
Such good questions! Thanks to both x