Thank you so much for constantly producing some of the highest quality music journalism out today, love the focus and commitment to underground stuff as well.
The money I spent over the years cutting dubs, weekly drive up to Frankfurt to cut on a Friday n whenever back in London at Music House, those were the days.....n the smell of a fresh plate BOSH
hi there . how many times can you play dubplates as i keep hearing different opinions .. your the best person to ask as you had many dubplates . please say more than 1 i got some dubplate on the way and scared to even play it .. thanx .
@@stevehobday5571 the quality starts to go at about 25/30 plays but nothing major. If you mix at the same place that goes quicker obviously due to pulling backwards n forwards. It’s nothing to worry about though, just play and enjoy.
thank you so much for your reply . you are the best person to ask as you own dubplates .. some where saying no plays - 4-5 plays maybe from word of mouth i got a little worried on the fact that i could not play them or a few times at best .. thanx & take care
I record analog synths through a fairchild onto a sony walkman and then play back on a nintendo and only me and my dog listen to it. Then I store it on a floppy disk and put it in a locked box (with some Jamaican hot sauce) that I then bury at the back of the garden and I grow rosemary over it so it picks up some extra flavour. A few years later I play the floppy disk back on a spectrum and then record the binary file back on to cassette to pick up some more analog goodness. i then master in FL studio with stock plugins and record the output of the soundcard straight onto a VHS. I then DJ with two VHS players which my mate steve put pitch controls on (I couldn't possibly dj with a laptop, are you kidding me?). This is why my music smell so much better than a CD from Tower records even when you listen to it on an mp3.
Videos like this make me long for a life in a place with a vibrant music/vinyl culture... living in the country is nice, my cat and I have a pretty solid vibe going, but still...
I can relate. I just went to check out some of the tracks from the video on Discogs. The ones that just remained as dubplates I just didn't bother looking for, and the ones that are signed to labels, well the Groove Chronicles tracks fetch silly money mostly. And some of those tracks from On The Corner Records are around the £100 area. What you gonna' do ?
hi there . do you know how many times you can play a dublate ? some people claim 2 times or 20 times .. i have some dubplate on the way and wondering how long it will last . thanx
Yes, wax alchemy in japan I hear are good, big up those still cutting dubs and buying and supporting vinyl. When those who thought they knew it all thought vinyl would die. Hah
The analog sounds,, Records digitally.. Makes dubplate from a digital master... Don't get me wrong I'm a big record collector. Freaking love vinyl. And I'm very glad people are still cutting dubplates. But jesus there's some hipster shit in this doc!
Love this and weve posted on our sample pack platform to encourage the use of vinyl for DJs and cutting sounds etc. Could you link the cutting guys page if you havent already.
But a deeper meaning or connotation does exist in various music scenes: every dubplate (or dub for short) it's a 1-off cut - it is often an unreleased tune or early exclusive version of a tune that only a select few may have access to cut (should they decide and pay for it)...a plate that may or may not EVER get an official pressing. The producer may cherry-pick a handful of DJs to give the opportunity to cut the exclusive dubplate for soundclash or just exclusive use during a window time to hype an impending release. Sometimes it's just a 1-off specifically edited and designed for a 1-off gig - sometimes a recording done just for the event or DJ for that specific gig or run of gigs - or to have exclusive ammo for a soundclash or epic, cutting-edge set. A dubplate is basically a 1-off acetate cut 1 at a time onto/into a blank disc - via a lathe - not a record pressing - regardless of what audio is cut onto the 1-off disc. And one usually has to spend at least $40 (much more on average these days) to get one done (properly) - and thus, it is an investment - not to mention they will only last for a few dozen plays before seriously deteriorating - as they will lose audio quality with each use - they are temporary compared to a vinyl pressing.
Good doc, but one thing. Mr Rocket talks about the smell of his plates in the way that people used to speak about acetate dubs. But his dub is a plastic one, not acetate.
Hey Steven. Yeah you are right, when he said it smells good he was actually talking about getting his 1st dub cut back in the day which was acetate but the way the film is edited together you wouldn't know. We probably missed a trick there :)
So these are vinyl laquers which a lot of people are cutting these days. Not to be confused with typical acetate covered metal dubplates. Sadly, most of these will be purchased as collectors items or as an investment to be sold at an inflated price on Discogs to people who probably don't even own a turntable!
I've always thought the modern iteration of dubplate culture (2000-present) is terribly toxic and promotes over-exaggerated hype-beast culture. If you need a tune to be exclusive to appreciate it, then you don't truly appreciate the music for what it is, and it can't stand on its own merit.
Proppa cringy. " and acetate is better quality than pvc" no its not, acetate dies after so many plays. To be honest the pvc we cut on arent even dubplates. They last as long as a real vinyl one off cuts. And that stupid woman who said " crackles are great" ... DID SHE REALLY SAY THAT. CRACKLES ARE NOT MENT TO BE ON A FRESH CUT, Those crackles are there because of a terrible cut with a damages cutting stylus. Ive exactly the same machine sitting 2 meters away from me. Anyone wondering what the machines called is a Vinylrecorder T560
You're right that pvc is more resilient but many "heads" argue" that the acetate, although less hard-wearing, produce a richer sound in their initial plays. It's one of those opinions that you could argue about all day. And, again, some people like crackles as an antidote to the clean, digital sound. Could be dust/damage. And yes, the machine can be bought by enthusiasts. There still aren't exactly that many owners.
This broad is cutting her own Dub plates but still performing on Stanton Turntables? Wtf? I learned on shitty tables, cause I had zero money. But to perform live by choice on stantons. Idk, she’s crazy maybe.
@@UKViking correct, point taken! I get it, the film is about dubplate culture today, and that last word - today - is what triggers me. I started DJing in '94 when vinyl was the only option, already 6 months into the journey my friends and I introduced a sampler in our DJ setup, switched to digital and all the tools it offers in the mid 00s and never looked back (still buying records with the only aim of ripping them). Back to my comment, I wouldn't have wrote that under a docu-film about the dubplate culture in the 70s but to me this is a film about how far people go to have their music on a old, suboptimal (don't get me started on how many technical limitations vinyl has), non environmental friendly (can be said for both vinyl and the chemicals involved in the production of it) medium. That's what I meant with "get over it!", when talking about this topic with people in the scene I ask myself "is this person a music-head or a vinyl-head?" and I tend to like the former more than the latter :)
This is actually a fascinating debate. I've noticed that it is only in electronic music cultures that there is a need to feel like the technology and music are advancing in parallel motion, and that's fair because: In comparison to classical music cultures which are centuries old, electronic music is still very young which is why there is this essential need for the notion that technology and the music should advance together. However, if you look at classical music cultures you have instruments/technologies that were created at all sorts of different times and eras, and fortunately they don't disappear but they continue to bring us new possibilities. Take the harpsichord from the 15th Century: Since the baroque harpsichord, keyboard instruments have developed and transformed time and time again: to the classical era pianoforte, then to the romantic era Piano, then all sorts of keyboards and synths. Yes the common piano is more popular, but people still practice the discipline of harpsichord performance, both to uphold an important cultural history, but also - and even more fascinating - to inform it with modern-day insights. For example, you have harpsichordists commission composers to write contemporary compositions for the instrument, which adds a whole new perspective on the instrument, and actually sound pretty new and incredible. Modern harpsichordists also provide new interpretation on classic compositions, amongst many other benefits and the "early music" culture is strong on a global level. So my point is, it's great that technologies in dance music cultures are constantly developing, and so is preservation and development of the old: gaining as well as maintaining is better than losing something. Expansion of paths and perspectives is only good thing, doesn't have to be either or, and it just adds a richness to cultures, a richness to the quality, preserves histories, develops new, alternative branches of thought for the future.
Thank you so much for constantly producing some of the highest quality music journalism out today, love the focus and commitment to underground stuff as well.
llamapie24 This isn’t journalism.
@@MrBoxingVideos Its video journalism
glad to see people are still cutting dubplates in this digital age
haha the guy at min 6 with soulseek still open during the filming process, nice touch
absolute legend
6:25 @a w
wow I thought I was the only one who still uses Soulseek
@@cm3462 who didn't use napster, soulseek, audiogalaxy back in the day as a kid, for many it was just a beginning of long-distance dj life
The money I spent over the years cutting dubs, weekly drive up to Frankfurt to cut on a Friday n whenever back in London at Music House, those were the days.....n the smell of a fresh plate BOSH
hi there . how many times can you play dubplates as i keep hearing different opinions .. your the best person to ask as you had many dubplates . please say more than 1 i got some dubplate on the way and scared to even play it .. thanx .
@@stevehobday5571 the quality starts to go at about 25/30 plays but nothing major. If you mix at the same place that goes quicker obviously due to pulling backwards n forwards. It’s nothing to worry about though, just play and enjoy.
thank you so much for your reply . you are the best person to ask as you own dubplates .. some where saying no plays - 4-5 plays maybe from word of mouth i got a little worried on the fact that i could not play them or a few times at best .. thanx & take care
@@stevehobday5571 for me they were a tool of the trade, if you do use them to mix with use the same spot . Enjoy them🔥
I record analog synths through a fairchild onto a sony walkman and then play back on a nintendo and only me and my dog listen to it. Then I store it on a floppy disk and put it in a locked box (with some Jamaican hot sauce) that I then bury at the back of the garden and I grow rosemary over it so it picks up some extra flavour. A few years later I play the floppy disk back on a spectrum and then record the binary file back on to cassette to pick up some more analog goodness. i then master in FL studio with stock plugins and record the output of the soundcard straight onto a VHS. I then DJ with two VHS players which my mate steve put pitch controls on (I couldn't possibly dj with a laptop, are you kidding me?). This is why my music smell so much better than a CD from Tower records even when you listen to it on an mp3.
Fatal Friction Awesome technique. I do almost the same however I use mint instead of rosemary as it’s got a more refreshing feel
@@UKViking I must try that out!
This is the best comment ever.
Just found my new favorite TH-cam channel. So much quality content. What a goldmine!
Really love the diversity of styles presented in this.
killer documentary. does such a good job of capturing the authentic, underground vibe
Videos like this make me long for a life in a place with a vibrant music/vinyl culture... living in the country is nice, my cat and I have a pretty solid vibe going, but still...
I can relate. I just went to check out some of the tracks from the video on Discogs. The ones that just remained as dubplates I just didn't bother looking for, and the ones that are signed to labels, well the Groove Chronicles tracks fetch silly money mostly. And some of those tracks from On The Corner Records are around the £100 area. What you gonna' do ?
That solid vibe you and your cat have?
Treasure it...
Amazing document movie. Thanks for sharing this.
Another quality production from RA (y)
Inspired me to pull out the vinyl player ;) love
I bloody love this! What it’s all about! Proper sound people, making proper sounds ❤️
hi there . do you know how many times you can play a dublate ? some people claim 2 times or 20 times .. i have some dubplate on the way and wondering how long it will last . thanx
Kenya To the World !!
Makadem
Enjoyed this, thank you! If you do a follow up, got to be more about Music House, Eden Grove days if poss. 💯
Cool to see dubplate culture still thrives! We hardly barely have this available in America, unfortunately.
Yes, wax alchemy in japan I hear are good, big up those still cutting dubs and buying and supporting vinyl. When those who thought they knew it all thought vinyl would die. Hah
Boom! Love this! 😀 👊
Legendary work on this film
I've had some work done here, Johny is a top guy with pure love for music. Encourage anyone in the local area to check out Peckham Cuts!
Thank you :)
that "Ooh shit" at the end of this doc sounds like it was lifted from Hateful Head Helen. such a gold mine for samples that record.
what track is it¿
@@MentalIssuez don't know the name of the song played in the documentary, but the song i'm talking about is "Hateful Head Helen" by Hateful Head Helen
@@pabloplato Denham Audio - Bashment Juice [Trapped audio]
I want such a machine and start a business with it! love this!
Nice viewing experience, typical music industry people: GRAFTERS ALL DAY LONG, NO RESPITE!!! Blimey and blessings 😉😉
Fantastic video.
I want to visit these places!
henry wu and earlllll so gooood
WOOOOOOOOO🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
RIP Leon
The Master! Such a joy to watch the man in action...RIEP
cool video and all but what's really popping off is this mans grocery list at 6:40
I would love if you went to different historical studios like electric ladyland and made a episode about it's history and story
Wow! Fun doc thks!!
this is culture
4:49 Watching her dropping the stylus from about 5cm 😳
money is no object
I FELT IT TOO😫😫😫
I mean, it's not like the stuff sounds good anyway.
The analog sounds,, Records digitally.. Makes dubplate from a digital master... Don't get me wrong I'm a big record collector. Freaking love vinyl. And I'm very glad people are still cutting dubplates. But jesus there's some hipster shit in this doc!
Love this and weve posted on our sample pack platform to encourage the use of vinyl for DJs and cutting sounds etc. Could you link the cutting guys page if you havent already.
peckhamcuts.co.uk :) Thank you
props to the links to music!
This is very well done. I subscribed
great music in this ;)
Wicked video!!!!
i just wish people in record shops weren't so scary :(
They normally aren't! Ask some questions and you'll find that they're really just people who are into music just like you
@@loudest_of_noises and who are under pressure to get their stuff out there
oh shit nice to see u james!! i missed ya (its theblueraccoon if u remember)
🤤🤤 Wonder what those night slugs dubplates are
who does the art on the wall in rockets room like 7:00 in??
Make Vinyl Great Again! For enthusiasts and DJ's
Josaphat Pineda this is not vinyl.
Proper!
Great video❤ I've got some creative ideas
Also I recommend NTS radio it's great for any taste you have there
Also, Rinse FM
dubplate cutted in this machines have good quality? comparing with the official industry vinyl's ?
The quality is comparable to pressed vinyl. He uses PVC rather than acetate. Acetate apparently sounds better but degrades quickly.
Daym Makadem is dope!
sick!
2:29 Fabio and grooverider indeed
This is Great ...
Bring your own plates - £10 a side late nights at Masterpiece. Happy days!
Naughty Naughty :-o
Who is the guy who cuts the dubplates? My mate needs a run of 50 pressing.
South London Strong
The new machines cut more permanent records on PVC or polycarbonate they last a long time def dif than acetate but still dope as fuck
3:22 did he say Henry Moonchild, as in the HKE alias? I want a Henry Moonchild dubplate so bad :(
DJ Kristallnacht Henry Wu track
Anyone have any clue where you could get the blank vinyl? No clue where he gets blank records to cut onto!
beat at 13:43 ? please help me.
The credits and all the tunes are listed at the end
Byrons Yard on facebook for cutting also.
9:22 does any have that little guitar jam?
What?
@@UKViking what's the music before the guest plays?
@@BreizhWaren29 no idea. Credits are at 15:34
King Tubby!!
Anybody know the name of the song Makadem is singing? Sounds sick
Mganga Mkuu
@@UKViking cheers boss
Those Stanton turntables are mad suspect lol
better torque than technics
the st150 are actually great to work with
Alex Barnet look like shit.
track Id ? 11:55
Eggafronto chaos in the cbd midnight in peckham
@@breadtoucher thank you
Slamming the needle at 4:50 😵 at least there not concordes
so how much and where can we get it?
did he say vinyls? anyway, great video.
a w totally incorrect grammar.
what's the track in the background? 13:18
wait i see the tracklist now, tune isn't out as for as i know
This is the one rhythmsection.lnk.to/elevations 😎
@@MarthaMcAlpine Fantastic, Thx!
what's the tune at about 12 mins
Midnight in Peckham - Chaos in the CBD (credits are at the end)
How can I get in touch with this guy
peckhamcuts.co.uk/ :)
peckham cuts
class
last track id¿
All the tracks are listed at 15:34
@@UKViking thanks!
good stuff... but if it's sold - even in a quantity of 10 copies - i wouldn't necessarily consider it a dubplate no more.
baze.djunkiii these are lathe cuts.
by nature of it being an acetate cut on a lathe - it's a dubplate. Water is water - air is air.
But a deeper meaning or connotation does exist in various music scenes: every dubplate (or dub for short) it's a 1-off cut - it is often an unreleased tune or early exclusive version of a tune that only a select few may have access to cut (should they decide and pay for it)...a plate that may or may not EVER get an official pressing. The producer may cherry-pick a handful of DJs to give the opportunity to cut the exclusive dubplate for soundclash or just exclusive use during a window time to hype an impending release. Sometimes it's just a 1-off specifically edited and designed for a 1-off gig - sometimes a recording done just for the event or DJ for that specific gig or run of gigs - or to have exclusive ammo for a soundclash or epic, cutting-edge set. A dubplate is basically a 1-off acetate cut 1 at a time onto/into a blank disc - via a lathe - not a record pressing - regardless of what audio is cut onto the 1-off disc. And one usually has to spend at least $40 (much more on average these days) to get one done (properly) - and thus, it is an investment - not to mention they will only last for a few dozen plays before seriously deteriorating - as they will lose audio quality with each use - they are temporary compared to a vinyl pressing.
Good doc, but one thing. Mr Rocket talks about the smell of his plates in the way that people used to speak about acetate dubs. But his dub is a plastic one, not acetate.
Hey Steven. Yeah you are right, when he said it smells good he was actually talking about getting his 1st dub cut back in the day which was acetate but the way the film is edited together you wouldn't know. We probably missed a trick there :)
I feel like vinyl is nice when you have a nice meal and some wine with your friends. All other times digital is better 😂
So these are vinyl laquers which a lot of people are cutting these days. Not to be confused with typical acetate covered metal dubplates. Sadly, most of these will be purchased as collectors items or as an investment to be sold at an inflated price on Discogs to people who probably don't even own a turntable!
No such thing as “VINYLS”!!!!
I've always thought the modern iteration of dubplate culture (2000-present) is terribly toxic and promotes over-exaggerated hype-beast culture. If you need a tune to be exclusive to appreciate it, then you don't truly appreciate the music for what it is, and it can't stand on its own merit.
Proppa cringy. " and acetate is better quality than pvc" no its not, acetate dies after so many plays. To be honest the pvc we cut on arent even dubplates. They last as long as a real vinyl one off cuts.
And that stupid woman who said " crackles are great" ... DID SHE REALLY SAY THAT. CRACKLES ARE NOT MENT TO BE ON A FRESH CUT, Those crackles are there because of a terrible cut with a damages cutting stylus. Ive exactly the same machine sitting 2 meters away from me.
Anyone wondering what the machines called is a Vinylrecorder T560
You're right that pvc is more resilient but many "heads" argue" that the acetate, although less hard-wearing, produce a richer sound in their initial plays. It's one of those opinions that you could argue about all day. And, again, some people like crackles as an antidote to the clean, digital sound. Could be dust/damage. And yes, the machine can be bought by enthusiasts. There still aren't exactly that many owners.
VINYLS. #facepalm
Project Matt no such thing.
This broad is cutting her own Dub plates but still performing on Stanton Turntables? Wtf? I learned on shitty tables, cause I had zero money. But to perform live by choice on stantons. Idk, she’s crazy maybe.
“Broad” seriously? 😂
You might all live with your mars and produce shit techno tracks, but you have cut them to acetate so whos to say if youre right or wrong
Dub plate into dull plate in one easy lesson.
vinyl sounds worse, get over it
HyppoCalippo the film isn’t about vinyl
@@UKViking correct, point taken! I get it, the film is about dubplate culture today, and that last word - today - is what triggers me. I started DJing in '94 when vinyl was the only option, already 6 months into the journey my friends and I introduced a sampler in our DJ setup, switched to digital and all the tools it offers in the mid 00s and never looked back (still buying records with the only aim of ripping them).
Back to my comment, I wouldn't have wrote that under a docu-film about the dubplate culture in the 70s but to me this is a film about how far people go to have their music on a old, suboptimal (don't get me started on how many technical limitations vinyl has), non environmental friendly (can be said for both vinyl and the chemicals involved in the production of it) medium.
That's what I meant with "get over it!", when talking about this topic with people in the scene I ask myself "is this person a music-head or a vinyl-head?" and I tend to like the former more than the latter :)
HyppoCalippo Fair enough! You sound more intelligent now haha. I liked the film though it’s not opinionated
This is actually a fascinating debate. I've noticed that it is only in electronic music cultures that there is a need to feel like the technology and music are advancing in parallel motion, and that's fair because: In comparison to classical music cultures which are centuries old, electronic music is still very young which is why there is this essential need for the notion that technology and the music should advance together. However, if you look at classical music cultures you have instruments/technologies that were created at all sorts of different times and eras, and fortunately they don't disappear but they continue to bring us new possibilities. Take the harpsichord from the 15th Century: Since the baroque harpsichord, keyboard instruments have developed and transformed time and time again: to the classical era pianoforte, then to the romantic era Piano, then all sorts of keyboards and synths. Yes the common piano is more popular, but people still practice the discipline of harpsichord performance, both to uphold an important cultural history, but also - and even more fascinating - to inform it with modern-day insights. For example, you have harpsichordists commission composers to write contemporary compositions for the instrument, which adds a whole new perspective on the instrument, and actually sound pretty new and incredible. Modern harpsichordists also provide new interpretation on classic compositions, amongst many other benefits and the "early music" culture is strong on a global level. So my point is, it's great that technologies in dance music cultures are constantly developing, and so is preservation and development of the old: gaining as well as maintaining is better than losing something. Expansion of paths and perspectives is only good thing, doesn't have to be either or, and it just adds a richness to cultures, a richness to the quality, preserves histories, develops new, alternative branches of thought for the future.
HyppoCalippo vinyl is here to stay dude.
What's that tune at 10:45?
15:34 all the tracks listed. Good luck :-)