Georg Muffat: the rules of violin bowing, David Wilson and Voices of Music

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  • @earlystrings1
    @earlystrings1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great, clear exposition of Muffat. Its interesting how influential those French orchestral rules have been for baroque players of the past 50 (!) years and how little we've paid attention to what Muffat says the Germans and Italians did.

  • @baxter5431
    @baxter5431 10 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Muffat's rules for bowing give great direction as to the articulation & accent & thereby allowing us today to recreate what the music actually did sound like as opposed to how modern orchestras have negated these aspects. It also, for me as a keyboard player, indicates the way the notes & phrases should be approached. Thanks for this video!

  • @RobinHood5045
    @RobinHood5045 9 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I really like this video because it can be fantastic for people learning the Violin. This is because with each piece of music being on screen while the performer plays, you can observe the bow stroke divisions for the notes. And whether to go up bow or down bow on certain notes in music may teach people about how the bow can be used to create "accents" on the strongest beats.

  • @sg_dan
    @sg_dan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It is fascinanting how Quantz and Tromlitz, decades after Muffat, would apply rules so closely related to Muffat's with regards to articulation on the flute.

  • @josechrist3948
    @josechrist3948 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This is perfect teaching!!!

  • @koko.hauoli
    @koko.hauoli 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you sooo much. Looked everywhere for this information!!!

    • @VoicesofMusic
      @VoicesofMusic  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You are very welcome.

  • @albaconejomangas9964
    @albaconejomangas9964 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lovely! Please, join more videos like this one. I am a baroque violin player and it is really helpful.

  • @polomokipo6000
    @polomokipo6000 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    GEORG MUFFAT
    { MEGEVE 1653-1704 PASSAU }
    THE RULES OF VIOLON BOWING - DAVID WILSON . Merci pour se cour de musique , au violon tank you.

  • @DrCoyoteBanjo
    @DrCoyoteBanjo 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a fantastic resource--brilliant use of the medium. Well done all!

  • @MaestroGosta
    @MaestroGosta ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video!

  • @StephanieHughesDesign
    @StephanieHughesDesign 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a Baroque music lover, Vivaldi or Bach would approve of David Wilson's excellent bowing explanation. Being a novice myself, I am starting to learn more about bowing technique and how Baroque v Classical or Romantic differ. Thank you David Wilson. Tres bon.

  • @swaroopn1
    @swaroopn1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sir, Thank you so much

  • @geiryvindeskeland7208
    @geiryvindeskeland7208 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Sorry for my inadequate English. Do we know for sure that Bach would have supported Georg Muffat's rules? And Voices of Music, thank you so much for answer our questions!

    • @VoicesofMusic
      @VoicesofMusic  6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      There must have been some bowing rules for Bach and most other composers, since performers didn't write in the bowings. There's no reason to think these rules were very different for Bach, but by the end of the baroque period you start to see some comments by players wanting more freedom in the bowing. Since the bowings aren't marked in, we don't really know the exact bowings that were used. Some groups use Muffat's rules for most of the repertory, other groups do not. However, many groups add extensive markings to the music which you don't see in the baroque, and that argues in favor of some sort of system or tradition.

    • @martinh1277
      @martinh1277 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Baroque music is dancing and singing. Muffat learned the bowings from Lullys orchestra, so we shold use them for all dance music in French style.
      More important as the bowings is the sound that came to the audience. A singer is to be imitated. How that works on baroque violin bowings you can see in the notes of any baroque composer. There is no written rules, there can't be any. It is a matter of good taste. Good taste is the taste of the auditors. They paid for it. @@VoicesofMusic

  • @saamalander
    @saamalander 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    so informative and exactly what I was looking for, many thanks!

  • @fancyqanun3483
    @fancyqanun3483 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for sharing.

  • @javierm6234
    @javierm6234 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This videos are very useful! Thanks!

  • @Saxoprane
    @Saxoprane 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video is Gold ! Thanks !

  • @johdrydaniels
    @johdrydaniels 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really Thanks so much for this!

  • @tabbycatz
    @tabbycatz 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Such a good explanation...thank you!!

  • @alirezagolestaneh6080
    @alirezagolestaneh6080 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good tnx for explains

  • @piperwalton
    @piperwalton 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So are these rules also applicable to German and Italian music, or only French? Would, say, Corelli's sonatas or Telemann's fantasias benefit from the application of these rules?

    • @VoicesofMusic
      @VoicesofMusic  6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Some ppl use them for everything, but for sure French & German.

  • @bgcellozone
    @bgcellozone 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for this!!

  • @anagenicamangana7365
    @anagenicamangana7365 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    impressive ☺🤗

  • @VoicesofMusic
    @VoicesofMusic  10 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    We are now using an updated subtitle/closed captions system. For a translation into any language, or to access the text, turn on subtitles/captions--the "cc" button, then click the settings "gear" and select any language from the menu.

  • @FiddlerSteve
    @FiddlerSteve 10 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Muffat's rules still work well for modern dance fiddling! Great video, and thanks for the link to IU Press! I found several books in addition to the Muffat volume that I'm interested in...

  • @marcussfebruary9104
    @marcussfebruary9104 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There should be a video of Hanneke talking about various things on the harpsichord!

    • @VoicesofMusic
      @VoicesofMusic  6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Good idea!

    • @drzaeus5624
      @drzaeus5624 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      First she needs to know how to play the instrument properly and not bore us to death

  • @anaissa5313
    @anaissa5313 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks!!!!!

  • @CruelLion7
    @CruelLion7 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    You play very well :)

  • @ilynov
    @ilynov 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much for this explanation! After desperate looking for information on the subject - so concise and short! Thank you! So how did actually German and Italian baroque players synchronize their bowings???

    • @VoicesofMusic
      @VoicesofMusic  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You just follow the concertmaster.

  • @saeidyazdani
    @saeidyazdani 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice :)

  • @KevOSMusic
    @KevOSMusic 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a none string player this has been extremely enlightening. Puts me in mind about the baroque French organ rules.
    Would German/Italian bowing traditions have been performed as alternate bowing (up/down/up/down) or would there be some variations?

    • @VoicesofMusic
      @VoicesofMusic  10 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ***** For sure there would have been all sorts of individual styles and variations.

  • @cristianoscaglioni1965
    @cristianoscaglioni1965 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing video!! Thanks so much! But could you please set up video caption?

    • @VoicesofMusic
      @VoicesofMusic  10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cristiano Scaglioni We are working on the captions right now as well as a downloadable pdf :)

    • @cristianoscaglioni1965
      @cristianoscaglioni1965 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah! My english hearing is not that good yet. hehe

    • @VoicesofMusic
      @VoicesofMusic  10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cristiano Scaglioni Captions on line and can also be automatically translated.

    • @cristianoscaglioni1965
      @cristianoscaglioni1965 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Voices of Music thanks so much! Love you from voices of music!

  • @andreasvandieaarde
    @andreasvandieaarde 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So they're not really rules then? More like guidelines. Not to be semantic about it, but there's so much confusion (which I think is partly deliberate) when it comes to conversation about how to play music in the western classical sphere (anything from medieval to romantic music) with "rules" in mind. I'm personally sick of the confusion that still happens now considering this is almost 8 years old.

    • @VoicesofMusic
      @VoicesofMusic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A set of rules is a like a grammar book, you learn that, and, then, if you choose, you may make your own rules to create literature or poetry. If you are playing baroque music, learning Muffat's rules will not take long and it's valuable skill.

  • @bambiwaddlefeet
    @bambiwaddlefeet 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've never seen a violin with no chin rest.

    • @VoicesofMusic
      @VoicesofMusic  5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Instruments from the time of Amati, Guarnerius, Stainer and Stradivarius never had chin rests.

  • @gregmonks
    @gregmonks ปีที่แล้ว

    Rule #1: There are no rules.