I personally think you've framed this way too binary. Your critique on prophets is great, but after the initial critiques you start acting like prophets are always completely useless. I think prophets are just as necessary as wizards. If not all prophets, then at least a lot of the ones that have had meaningful impact in history. Prophets stir up conversation, force politicians to think and talk about whatever they are screaming about. They put problems which the majority of our population aren't directly affected by on the political agenda (example: XR on the highway gives a voice to all the people in the global south who are already reaping the consequences of climate change largely caused by western countries.). After that's happened, I agree, the scientist NEED to get their voices raised. Now that we're talking about the problem again, the scientist need to be able to give their advices and have it be heard by everyone so that it, like the prophets, cannot be ignored. They need to work together; which they already are, XR is on the highway to advocate and popularize research done by wizards which states that our government has not upheld it's promises to decrease fossil fuel tax cuts. Sometimes we need screamers (prophets) to give a voice to a group otherwise too small or underpowered to scream for themselves. Wizards are so necessary, but we need our screamers to stir things up sometimes. Also, you claimed that prophets are the reason a conversion to nuclear energy has not happened in the last 50 years, this is partly true but we must not forget that this pushback is largely being done by the enormous fossil-fuel industry lobby that does not want to lose it's power. (who might have a lot of influence on activist-agenda someway or another, true) one more thing: whatsup with all the left-wing right-wing framing? Since when did we become a 2 party-system in the Netherlands? I hope you can appreciate my critiques and I would love to discuss them in depth with you. With kind regards, Hermen Horzelenberg A former student of yours
Hi Hermen, Thanks for your elaborate reply. Of course you are right in the binary thing. I have pictured them both a bit extreme to clarify the concepts, but in reality a lot of people and organisations are somewhere in between. This however doesn’t effect my critique on prophets. They tend to cluster in groups, and the bigger their numbers and powers the smaller their intellectual flexibility, and we see dogma sets in. This even more when celebrities and movie-starts step in; then you know it is just the next fashion statement. Of course XR did a great thing by uncovering the huge tax cuts big fossil industries cash. But why keep blocking roads? Just say the things that are wrong, make politicians think about it. Now to me it had become more of a communion of virtue signallers. I really respect people working on practical solutions. In the end only technology can save us. Interesting point you mention about the fossil industry blocking nuclear energy. I have heard this before. But is this really true? Do you have more factual information on this? Wish you all the best. Proud to have students like you!
@@henkverhoeven1256 Very true, the bigger the group, the less intelectual flexibility there is. I have joined XR (sorry :p) and a political party in the past few months and I have noticed that there is a lot of discussion in the party groups, but a serious lack of discussion in XR. It's quite the echo chamber in there sometimes. Which is logical, maybe even essential for a movement that big & ambitious. Why block roads? Because we (=people who want serious climate action) have tried just talking, for many years. I believe the fossil industry cuts wouldve just gone under the radar or mentoined at a family dinner every now and then if XR hadn't picked this up like they have. This way, politicians wont be able to ignore it and will have to talk about it, because the people now all have their eyes on it. Ill admit I don't have a factual source for the lobbying at hand, I will try to find one in a bit. Thank you dor your elaborate response :), it's very refreshing to have such an insightful discussion about this. Kind regards
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Overally a great video with nothing i could nit pick - especially with the conculsion
I personally think you've framed this way too binary. Your critique on prophets is great, but after the initial critiques you start acting like prophets are always completely useless. I think prophets are just as necessary as wizards. If not all prophets, then at least a lot of the ones that have had meaningful impact in history. Prophets stir up conversation, force politicians to think and talk about whatever they are screaming about. They put problems which the majority of our population aren't directly affected by on the political agenda (example: XR on the highway gives a voice to all the people in the global south who are already reaping the consequences of climate change largely caused by western countries.). After that's happened, I agree, the scientist NEED to get their voices raised. Now that we're talking about the problem again, the scientist need to be able to give their advices and have it be heard by everyone so that it, like the prophets, cannot be ignored.
They need to work together; which they already are, XR is on the highway to advocate and popularize research done by wizards which states that our government has not upheld it's promises to decrease fossil fuel tax cuts. Sometimes we need screamers (prophets) to give a voice to a group otherwise too small or underpowered to scream for themselves. Wizards are so necessary, but we need our screamers to stir things up sometimes.
Also, you claimed that prophets are the reason a conversion to nuclear energy has not happened in the last 50 years, this is partly true but we must not forget that this pushback is largely being done by the enormous fossil-fuel industry lobby that does not want to lose it's power. (who might have a lot of influence on activist-agenda someway or another, true)
one more thing: whatsup with all the left-wing right-wing framing? Since when did we become a 2 party-system in the Netherlands?
I hope you can appreciate my critiques and I would love to discuss them in depth with you.
With kind regards,
Hermen Horzelenberg
A former student of yours
Hi Hermen,
Thanks for your elaborate reply. Of course you are right in the binary thing. I have pictured them both a bit extreme to clarify the concepts, but in reality a lot of people and organisations are somewhere in between. This however doesn’t effect my critique on prophets. They tend to cluster in groups, and the bigger their numbers and powers the smaller their intellectual flexibility, and we see dogma sets in. This even more when celebrities and movie-starts step in; then you know it is just the next fashion statement.
Of course XR did a great thing by uncovering the huge tax cuts big fossil industries cash. But why keep blocking roads? Just say the things that are wrong, make politicians think about it. Now to me it had become more of a communion of virtue signallers. I really respect people working on practical solutions. In the end only technology can save us.
Interesting point you mention about the fossil industry blocking nuclear energy. I have heard this before. But is this really true? Do you have more factual information on this?
Wish you all the best. Proud to have students like you!
@@henkverhoeven1256 Very true, the bigger the group, the less intelectual flexibility there is. I have joined XR (sorry :p) and a political party in the past few months and I have noticed that there is a lot of discussion in the party groups, but a serious lack of discussion in XR. It's quite the echo chamber in there sometimes.
Which is logical, maybe even essential for a movement that big & ambitious.
Why block roads? Because we (=people who want serious climate action) have tried just talking, for many years. I believe the fossil industry cuts wouldve just gone under the radar or mentoined at a family dinner every now and then if XR hadn't picked this up like they have. This way, politicians wont be able to ignore it and will have to talk about it, because the people now all have their eyes on it.
Ill admit I don't have a factual source for the lobbying at hand, I will try to find one in a bit.
Thank you dor your elaborate response :), it's very refreshing to have such an insightful discussion about this.
Kind regards