Gimmick Characters - Why They're Unpopular | Genshin Impact
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ก.ย. 2024
- Several characters in Genshin Impact are known for a gimmick or unique playstyle that has grown to personify them. More often than not though it ends up being at the expense of popularity, whether for meta or experiential reasons. For today we'll be discussing gimmick characters and why they aren't popular.
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5:13 that's a weird looking ayato😂
lol 🤣😂
A moral dilemma: Is it my fault for not catching it when reviewing the first draft or is it my editor's fault for even confusing the two in the first place LMAO
It's Ur fault @@VarsII cause it's never the editors fault
@@VarsII Oh, some people are gonna come for your head for this...
@@Mikaelashotmess True. It's my skill issue and my skill issue alone.
Honestly i do feel like a big problem with a lot of the older gimmick characters is that the devs didn't really know how good the characters would actually be especially for the long run so they kept the numbers low which caused the gimmick to be seen as bad, it wasn't really until faruzan where they basically decided to give her the numbers to be viable, but thats also a different problem because it just kinda shows that for these gimmicks to be on par they needed bigger numbers to stand a chance
Cough cough gorou
It's not just numbers. Enemies have become more annoying and unfun over the years.
Venti is probably the best example. He has the niche of sucking things in, but enemies outside of the first 2 regions have super high poise monsters.
I mean, that’s how you make niches good.
Meta works because the baseline mechanics that created the meta are very strong. Niche strats/builds are niche because they’re not as strong or easy to use as the meta to begin with.
So to make a niche worth using they have to be bumped up to near meta numbers or made more accessible.
@@RandomPerson-cf3gt Gorou's numbers are actually pretty good tho, him not being used is more of an itto being underwhelming and Noelle working better as a Furina/Yela driver than as a hypercarry.
The worst out of the "element specific" supports is Sara, and by a big margin.
@@Danny_B13being a worse buffer for Raiden at C5 is such a fucking meme.
The fact that candace isn't a shielder still baffles me. I mean, she carries and uses a shield but doesn't give a shield. Why they won't let a hydro shielder exist is weird.
There technically is a hydro shielder... but its in sigewinne c2... so...
@@Crunchycrunkybroand hydro travelerLMFAODJJS
My guess is that they looked at her and said "she's the first hydro polearm character and the first to offer hydro infusion. This will totally be enough to make her a good unit, right? That's enough innovation for today"
@@Crunchycrunkybro And even then, it only applies to herself while in burst or skill. They really hate hydro shielders for no particular reason.
Emilie does the same thing with burning Navia did with crystalize. Not making the reaction good but using it as a way to buff themselves and I personally think that is great. Considering how easy it is to achieve a burning reaction her damage is always good.
Chevreuse does the same except she buffs the team instead she didn't make overload better just made use of overload for buffs.
@@Tomy_LightningChevreuse is more similar to Kazuha, he uses Swirl to buff others while Chevreuse uses Overload instead
Tbf i think the problem with emilie was that she was a sub-dps for a archetype with no main dps designed with that archetype but with the release of kinich that might change.
@@joeyboldewijn2467she also came in with 0 previous characterization and people being salty about her new design. Definitely didn't help
I do hope the new character buff reaction rather than the buff triggered by said reaction. Like adding more tick on burning, adding frozen duration time, adding additional aoe dmg after superconduct, quadruple stun rate on electro charged, adding chain bloom core properties, increase range and interruption on overload. Could also add other reactions after the reaction.
Gimmick characters like Shenhe can be the very best of that gimmick but the issue is that they are, well, gimmicky aka niche, so they fit into less team variants and so they have less value to pull for for most people, unless you really like that particular gimmicky playstyle, or if they actually made that gimmick less gimmicky.
Well, for starters they should start being less afraid of putting decent numbers on gimmick units then.
I love shenhe, but unless she's C6 she's only a cryo-specific sidegrade to more universal supports. Sara unless C6 is strictly worse than fischl in every possible team, and even at C6 she's again, a sidegrade to other options. Same happens with Yunjin or Candace.
Gorou, Nilou and Faruzan are the only older units who are actually above everyone at their niche. And in Gorou's case other units trying to fill his niche are just much worse than him (looking at you itto and albedo).
At least they seem to not be afraid to give actually good numbers nowadays. With characters like Xianyun and Emilie being able to create a niche and also carry those niche teams.
Gimmick
i feel like people prefer characters that can clear content without much trouble, opposite of gimmick characters(they can still clear any content but need lots of investment and specific supports)
I agree. After covid, I'd prefer to go out and spend more time outside in real life, but I still can't let go Genshin. So, between building a new gimmick character or travelling in real life, I'd rather build a Meta chara strong so that I can clear content in less time so that I can travel more and do more fun things in real life. And also prioritising career.
Building characters has become tedious. You have to farm for artifacts, only to get bad ones. You need to level them up, only for them to roll into bad stats. And you can only farm the character's materials on specific days. And you are very limited by resin. I don't have so much time, so I'd rather pull for versatile meta characters like yelan, kazuha and furina.
@@Emmanuel_RochaThis is an excellent example. The game actively discourages you from trying new things like building up a gimmick character by time gating progress. Why spend a couple months building a gimmick character who may ultimately not even be that good in the end, when you can build up a by default strong character that you KNOW will be strong, and also versatile. It ends up being a waste of so much time to invest in gimmick characters.
Or hear me out, hot take, a great part of the 'gimmick characters' are four star, and usually, they are very mid expect for the 1.0 one and rare expections like Shinobu. I personally try to use limited 5* characters
@@luckytanuki5449god damn true. As a recent personal example, I got keqing from the free 5 star selector as I dont have any other candidate for an electro aggravate onfield dps but because I'm still building the new shark girl and emile who I got last patch, I dont have enough resin to even attempt to build her yet. And with the rumored natlan buffer thats coming in ver 5.1 there is probably a very good chance I wouldn't have spare resin during it as well building her. And thats with me being a BP user so I atleast get more talent books and fragile resin (which tbh i tend to save intill I have to grind boss mats not for artfiacs) than the average player.
I get the "resin locked behind time" mechanic is so that players don't burnout from the game too fast but it feels even mega whales now skip gimmick characters or atleast keep them at lvl 1 because the time investment is huge.
the fact that xiangling have been the only good off field pyro applicator for 4 years of release is insane
Edit:- I play both genshin and wuwa( almost cleared majority of content in both games)
So i comment for both genshin and wuwa related content and Xiangling and Xiangli yao have same begining letter and due to my habit of fast writing and not reading again made me mix them up so sorry about that
No need to fight in comment just enjoy both or single game as you want
Isn't Xiangli an on field electro DPS?
Edit: fuck they edited the comment
@@kaolincloud whatchu trippin on dawg
@@kaolincloud Bro thinking of the wrong game, wtf.
@@kaolincloudxiangli is xiangling, the pyronado + guoba
Who were you thinking of with xiangli
Kuki? Yae? Fischl? Beidou? Those are the off field electro chars
@@kaolincloud You're thinking of Xiangli Yao aren't you?
Furina's hp mechanic is ballance. You sacrifice half of your health for easy hydro application. You can heal it to negate the hp loss and also boost the buff of her burst. And because of this you can buff your dmg with an artifact set.
It would be balanced if the healing was full team and not active character tho.
@@tomokocchikuroki6200 She can make single target heals from other characters splash onto the party, and she has access to full party heal coming from herself at C6.
If her full party healing was part of her base kit she'd be beyond broken and wouldn't have made so many strong healers relevant.
By all means, in co-op you don't need a healer when using her because she can heal the entire party, so you can already see how broken she becomes then.
@@tomokocchikuroki6200 in what world is that considered balanced? She would basically impose on multiple other characters' niches at C0, and be a complete powercreep of Mona in every possible way (Mona's just barely hanging on rn).
A teamwide healing effect would make her: an artifact set enabler, a full teamwide healer, an entire party wide damage buffer, and a very consistently high off-field damage dealer with 100% skill uptime.
She would start competing with Kokomi rather than being used alongside her, and would make Xianyun, Jean, Baizhu and Mika less useful as well. Sigewinne would basically just become completely irrelevant if she wasn't already.
Furina's current kit design gave healers a new role and gave a reason for players to choose healing over shielding. With a single change like this, the reverse would happen and healers would lose so much of their current value.
@@tomokocchikuroki6200 That would literally make her be unable to be powercrept seeing how she'll literally able to solo the abyss while not being a main dps
@@tomokocchikuroki6200 too OP, the rest of the healers will lose value.
I can almost guarantee that Emilie will become WAY more used on her rerun. I have her and she hits like an absolute truck, an easy to build unit that slots easily into Pyro teams
The hate on her gimmick is so forced 😂 i have her too and i loved her! For a game with an endgame content like abyss and theater she just feels good to have. The problem with emilie right now is there isn't much dedicated burn support to help her damage go higher
@@ajamajamon993nah, her main sin is that she wants Xiangling, and another dendro.
I would have liked her to have higher dendro app so she could be solo dendro on burgeon, that way making burgeon really strong although still not yet nilou strong (maybe adding a buff ot burgeon explosions?).
Another detaiI I checked in simulations and her teams damage isn't as good as Fischl on single target but is better on aoe.
Kinich seems to be good better for pyro + burn and although Emilie fits with Kinich she isn't always an upgrade.
@@ruy7164 I wonder what the pyro archon is going to do or Xilolen
The worse part about Emilie’s situation is that I don’t think that many people even had a problem with her being gimmicky. It’s just that everyone collectively hated her official design, especially compared to her concept designs 😭
Gimmicks give the game variety which it badly needs. Everything feels repetitive and you even talked a bit about that topic in past videos
the burning reaction plays more of an enabler reaction rather than a damage oriented reaction. mark my words -- emilie will eventually rise to the levels of yelan in terms of her strength due to her strong dendro application and bonus damage on top of it. despite the lack of EM buffs, she proves to be a better teammate to mualani than nahida could, or in rare occasions (though probably not best in slot) pair nahida with Emilie and a pyro unit to pair with mualani. (this pyro unit can be mavuika when she releases to trigger nightsoul burst and scroll set).
Overall, Emilie has similar strengths to that of Yelan in the sense that Natlan units are clearly oriented towards reacting with Pyro, and since Burning is the enabler of those reactions, Emilie puts out a ton of damage. Emilie is gimmicky in this sense, and I believe its a Kuki situation where many of her teams haven't reached their full potential due to the lack of Natlan characters. Kachina for instance, has no synergy with Kinich, yet Kinich wants his A4 to trigger with another party member triggering nightsoul burst, only mualani can do that, I don't have to explain why she's a bad teammate for Kinich. Hence, Emilie works in the sense that she serves as a damage amplification to the enabler element, and I believe to be a far stretch to call her gimmicky for now.
I thought night soul burst just need to have a naltan characters + elemental dmg?
Agreed! Funnily enough, I don't even think that Emilie is that gimmicky. She slots nicely in Hu Tao, Lyney, Wriothesley, and Mualani teams. She basically goes well in almost any team which uses Bennett... and that's a lot of teams LOL
And I thought both mualuani and dendro emo boy are main DPSs?
She's also a really good support for Wriothesley though the lack of an em buff might look bad it give him a support that works in wave content unlike Nahida.
nahh her dendro app is just ok, similar to yao2. her damage is very good tho
Emily should’ve been released somewhere during Sumeru, shouldn’t be released as the last new character before a brand new region.
Why?
Most People didn't pull for emelie because they were saving up for natlan characters.
Well, she's clearly made to be one of Kinich's best teammate, and she also works great with Mualani for burning/vape. Since the pyro archon is obviously going to have great synergy with Natlan units, Emilie seems to have released strategically at the end of Fontaine for the upcoming meta.
@@kawaiimika7974Sumeru is where we got Dendro and its reactions. We got characters that work great for Bloom, Aggro-Spread and Burgeon. So why not add a character that goes great with Burning.
@@dankmemes9548 Ok? You can just pull her later. Like me 😀
Doesn't make her a failed experiment 😞
Emilie is definitely not a failed gimmick, same with Yunjin. Yes she’s not the absolute strongest buffer, but she works as intended, and well at that
The argument that both she and Kinich are personal damage dealers is also kinda dumb, given that Kinich is on-field while Emelie is off field, they don’t eat into each others time
@@kantannakotothey're designed to be used together 🎉
I feel your missing the point a bit with what vars said. Shes she is a very amazing offield dps even at c0r0 which is what I have her in and not at all complaining about the damage output but praising it. And yes for kinich shes gonna be the best teammade choice for now. But thats not because shes that good but mainly due to kinich having few other viable teammates in the current support character rooster. Furina's offield hydro application would mess with his burning so shes out. There is no direct dendro dmg buffer like what kazhua does for pyro/electro/cyro/hydro. Even whats usually the best dendro support nahdia isnt that good for kinich as her EM buff does nothing for him.
What makes a character utility amazing isnt just the damage but all the other roles they can do for the team. Like how furina applies hydro application +buffing + some offield dmg. Or how yelan does the same. Fischl with being an amazing battery and high electro application. Basically what I mean is that emile atm only provides kinich team with high offield dmg + being a dendro energy battery for him so if lets say some dendro dmg buffer is released in the future, even if they had basically 0 personal dmg potential, they would still replace emile in almost all furture kinich teams. What I am saying is that now the meta has advanced so much compared to ver 1 that just being a great offield dps isnt enough for a character tobe a so called top tier or at the very least "not gimmicky".
TLDR: yes vars quite underestimated her potential but his point about her role in a team conflicting with the onfield dps is vaild as a future more roles covering character may easily replace her
Yeah, being a "whatever" unit is what we called a fail gimmick (like with Yunjin, who i didn't even remember it was genshin character until now)
@@cleod7439 neither of them is a “whatever” unit. And just because YOU don’t remember Yunjin, doesn’t mean she’s bad 💀
I personally love gimmick characters, on-field Beidou, Heizou, Kaveh, Sethos, they're all really really fun and not as bad as people say they are
Also Knich isn't out for another 2 hours you liar >:(
@@isnitjustkit he is out in asia server
on an individual basis NO character is bad but when compared to other units especially the most powerful teams then yes yes they are that bad. It can be the difference between struggling with a fight to one button press move on with life depending on how built they are. Especially when we talk about amount of resources needed just to get them to a fraction of the meta teams power. Most people dont want to farm weeks to months just to get a fraction vs spend a day or less to get way more. (all luck but point still stands)
Also who says beidou is bad i just want to talk to them? o_o
Nah they're bad
Exactly!
Monke see candace, monke clicks
Monke clicks and see Candace, monke happy 😂😂
I think this is a good video to address weak vs strong character design, but I think you're completely mising the point of gimmick. A gimmick in my opinion is a character that relies on a mechanic not intrinsic to normal gameplay. For example Arlecchino relying on bond of life for damage is a gimmick along with every natlan character and their new resource. Relying on burning, I wouldn't call a gimmick since using elemental reactions is a key component of the game. It's definitely niche for sure and i think this video is perfect to describe niche characters, but very few of these are actually gimmicky
it's sad. gimmick characters are so fun but also often rarely used.
sayu really is just made to be a filler 4 star gimmick character, and then very quickly powercrept immediately by future gimmick characters, both 4 stars and 5 stars.
I think Emilie is fine and it’s just the Kuki situation again and even Cyno/Nilou to a lesser extent. They released them a little before the mechanic they fit in us used in full force.
Making a dendro burning character right before Natlan just makes it obvious her best units aren’t here yet.
Emilie and Dehya give such a consistent burning aura that my Mualani just destroys everything~
very fun
Who is the 4th member of the team?
@@Xiaueng often Furina for the hydro respnance- but in healer mode more of the time. Kirara when I need shielding. But I reaaaaally want Xilonen for my fourth
4th member could also be nahida with prototype amber to consolidate healing and give mualani an added EM buff for her vapes
i personally play emilie/dehya/nahida/mualani and she bit through the new abyss with ease
Candace was a crime and a waste. One of the most beautifully designed characters and yet she was a 4-star with a kit that no one needs or asked for... :(
Yes!
This feels like it's a very forced video with regard to Emilie. Like "Sub DPS characters only add damage (but don't cost field time)" isn't really saying anything at all, it's just the definition of that role. Especially when the comparison is Xiangling, who also needs one specific pyro character in order to function (Bennett) and isn't supporting the team with Pyro application if she is Vaporizing all of her hits, which is what provides a huge portion of her damage potential.
Overall, I don't think Fontaine has had a gimmick character who has truly failed the way e.g Kaveh did (maybe Fremminet with his Shatter thing?).
Bro, Emilie is the only subdps who only give dmg.
Xiangling: pyro app
Yelan: hydro app + buff to onfielder
Nahida: dendro app + Em to the onfielder
Kuki: healing
Fischl: electro app + energy generation
Xingchiu: hydro app + interruption res
Yae: works as a carry + electro app (onfield)
Furina: hydro app + buff + enable marachausse set
That's why Emilie is mid, cause she only do dmg, and out of burning she have the same dendro app of dendro traveler, so having the option of using Emilie, and only being able to play burning (a dead reaction), or every other subdps and being able to use them as dps or as support, well, there's a clear win.
Btw xiangling dosent "need" bennet as a support for pyro app, i don't know who told you that xiangling is bennet dependent to be used but is not.
@@cleod7439 @cleod7439 You missed Chiori, and if Xianling is applying Pyro, she isn't vaping all of her hits so her damage is poor. Without snapshoting bennett's circle her only value is that there are no good off-field Pyro applicators. She is superficially better in spreadsheet-land where you can pretend Guoba hits things with some level of reliability.
Yae is literally just damage, Xinqiu (who you spelled wrong, FYI) is a support with some damage, as is Kuki.
Is Furina better? Obviously, she's the best character in the game.
@@FlyingNinjaish You just back-tracked in your own logic then...his point was that while Emilie isn't bad, there is no reason to use her gimmick over something better. If the one character that is supposed to work well with her (Kinich) needs Bennett and Xiangling (who you spelled wrong, FYI in your first sentence) then why in the bloody hell would you use Emilie over Furina (who you admitted to being the best character in the game also, FYI). It's not rocket science at the end of the day bud. lmao
@@shotsfrom9180Furina is gonna mess with the burning aura. It is as if you are playing Vape Furina at that point and not Kinich.
@@FlyingNinjaish Damage is poor? Even without vapes in mono pyro she provides similar damage to emily, with vapes she simply blows emily out of the water and outclasses her. Also bennet is used in about 60% of genshins teams, so like navia and arlecchino being tied to him isn't that worrisome, especcially considering bennet v2 is coming which making xiangling stronger, also it's not fiar to say there are no good pyro applicators because xiangling simply has 1.2 second applications in a massive aoe that has 70% uptime. That is amazing, there are good ones like deyha but it's simply not comparable. Also in spreadsheet data you don't consider double hits and AOE doesn't matter so idk if you are high or what.
Ain't no way you put Furina saying Arlecchino has many more options
@Tovy i did see some spreadsheets showing that arlecchino on hunter set with furina as support is her best team in theory but yeah thinking of it logically it only works if you have furina atleast c2 so that bennett can solo max out fanfare buffs and/or having arlecchino herself being c6 so that her burst for the healing isnt a DPS lost compared to just trying to max out BOL during rotations. Just wanted to share some werid stuff theorycrafters cooked up but I agree as its a dumb dumb team comp which I tried myself being a c2 furina haver myself and I gonna say it sucks as hell to play
Bruh...you have completely misunderstood Candace at c6. She's Yelan, but AoE, for normal attackers dealing elemental damage. ANY element, not just hydro. Her infusion is irrelevant. Pair her with characters who can infuse themselves, like Arlecchino. Candace is the single best support in the game for her, applying hydro vapes and buffing already great damage even more.
edit: only a suicidal masochist would run Arlecchino and Furina together.
The only character where her c6 hydro app is used is arlecchino, every other pyro character either has too much ap or candace just doesn't do enough.
@@AlwaysThirstys Candace provides 30+ damage bonus.
Yunjin needs someone who can make use of her 90 wasted stacks. Her Burst grants EVERYONE 30 independent stacks, but only your on-fielder can use them currently.
If they ever release an off-fielder that have their damage being considered as Normal ATK damage, then Yunjin's value will rise up alongside them.
You got Candace’s kit wrong. Her Burst boosts ALL elemental-laced Normal attacks, including ones that are immune to her Hydro infusion.
Instead of being the most useless for catalyst users, Candace can be the most awesome.
She doesn’t boost Charge attacks, so only Yoimiya and Aloy (and Tartaglia? Sethos?) can use Candace’s boost among archers.
Candace may be gimmicky/niche but she’s still my fav 🤭🫶🏾
Emilie is one of the most op characters i have honestly😭
this video aged a liitle bit poorly with kinnich making emillie have more of a team and not be alone in a gimmick. especialy when kinnich is an onfielder and emilie is an offielder.
true, Vars underestimates Emilie just like most CCs out there.
@@kokomicrunch5179 Bruh when furina is better than emily in her niche of kiniche teams then yk something is wrong about her value as a character.
@AlwaysThirstys while you are correct... Furina is, well FURINA. She's arguably the best character in the game lmao
@@AlwaysThirstys Best in spreadsheet perhaps, but you do realize that Furina might mess up with the burning Aura thus resulting to fewer charged cannons.
Edit:
I don't mean to underestimate Furina's power. She's HER. However, there's no natlan character that can hold the damage boosting Natlan set for Kinich. If that time comes, damage percent buffs will be less significant.
At this point, it really doesn't matter if they're gimmicky/niche/weird. the casual crowd don't give a shit what the characters do, as long as they can be used and do some amount of damage in overworld content. the biggest thing for them is looks and personality of a character. The meta Abyss delvers only want the best of the best in terms of damage or support, hence why everyone is still drooling over Neuvillette and Arlecchino. characters don't have to appeal to everyone, they just have to appeal to some people. by the end of Natlan, there'll be 100 units in Genshin, so we'll have a solid selection of DPS, Support, Shield and then gimmicky/odd characters. Some will be meta, some won't be. Again, so many units now it doesn't really make much of a difference. not to mention that each new character and artefact set (to a lesser degree) has the potential to bring old "dead" units back from the grave with a new comp or setup, like how Chevreuse did for Overload, or Furina making Noelle incredibly busted.
5:13 "slash Ayato"
Ayato's sure turned a bit green since I've benched him.
I love my Emily and I don't regret pulling her and her weapon. I'm not sure how she performs without her R1 but in my experience she is capable of clearing the Spiral Abyss. She gave me reason to use my Thoma and Dehya again and pair her with characters like Wriothesley. I catch myself looking forward to playing her teams. It's less about wanting a DPS but a reason to play a specific reaction imo just like how Chevreuse brings fun to the Overload playstyle.
I have a f2p weapon on my Emilie and without her full set and she does ridiculous amount of damage. I love using her with my yoimiya she’s so good
@@joeltoomer3332 Yeah, I'm getting some of my fastest and most brain dead clears with her. whilst it's not a buff the damage/duration/range of her skill feels like a huge utility next to the other turret characters.
@@joeltoomer3332 her best f2p is missive, being a massive 39% dropoff from her signiture. Her second best is calamity qweller which is 19% off of her signiture. Putting this into context neuv who has the previous largest difference between f2p and weapon only had a 29% difference between weapon and sig. (Sig is set to 100% for the data)
@@AlwaysThirstys um ok then
10:35 Correction on Candace: she also gives elemental damage bonus to normal attacks if they do elemental damage. Not just that, but that part doesn't restrict weapon type (you can even see it on screen here 10:41). So she CAN work with those characters (except Neuvillette, RIP no charged attack bonus) especially since she gives Hydro Resonance. But there's a bigger problem with characters like her, Chongyun and Bennett c6: everyone who wants an infusion, already does it on their own and prevents their infusion from being overwritten
If you could overwrite infusions, Candace would be a MUCH better character
7:40 no one can escape, all roads lead to her
I still can pull for Mualani so I call false advertisement! Sentence: Execution by Pyronado.
Also they >could< go back and puff older characters. They just don't want to.
emilie didnt fail because of her gameplay its because of her design
In defense of Candace, you don't really have to balance ER and HP as she doesn't get much from HP anyway so you can just focus on ER. As for Arlecchino AoE vape, every other off-field Hydro applier is either inconsistent (Furina) or doesn't provide anything else (Nilou). If you want to play Vape in AoE there is arguably nothing better than C6 Candace
You’re not mentioning the non-gameplay circumstances for Emilie too, like how she was released right before Natlan and she had no story relevance prior. Why would I pull for a character that was never hyped or cool in the story and right before a new region
On top of that, a lot of people didn’t like her design because it didn’t look like her concept art so she barely had a chance from the start
@@jackierob2885 plus I feel like her english voice lines are really boring and lowkey annoying ... "fresh and floral" in her burst, for instance, is like nails scratching on a chalkboard
@@Milchzahndoseok that’s just nitpicking and you know it. There’s worse voice lines in the game like yae miko
@@joeltoomer3332 it just adds to my dislike of her.
And I don't necessarily consider this nitpicking because skill and burst voicelines are practically the only voice lines a character has in the long run.
Idk why you bring up Yae, it's not about her rn and no one said anything about her voicelines not being annoying too.
Personally, I like Yae's story/character and so on which alleviates the voice line part for me.
Emilie does more than just dmg…she makes an otherwise deadly reaction viable and gives potential for super consistent vapes and melts. She is honestly one of the most well designed characters and I feel ppl are going to regret skipping.
When you look at it every charechter has a gimmick, but some are done masterfully and the other is done terribley case and point hydro traveller and neuvillete
Émilie Can wear the dendro set to reduce the enemy res for kinich for example so she IS still a bit more supportive than a chiori
Eep, error at 5:24. Picture of Al haitham and not ayato 💔
Eep error. It's at 5:13 not 5:24
I feel like so many of Hoyo’s character gameplay related problems could be so easily fixed if they did post release balancing
Let's be real,
Furina's actual gimmick is the ability to switch pnuemousia alignment
Her hp manipulation, id say is a main part of her kit
Not discrediting and disagreeing at all with the main point that candacd is a bad gimmick character but technically speaking candace can be used with catalyst and bow characters so long as she is c6. The characters just need to deal elemental damage on their normal attacks to gain the effects. At this point the gimmick is still bad because ontop of unused hydro application she becomes a xingqiu or yelan with more work and more steps. So if anything being constellation locked makes her even more of a gimmick unit .
Candace literally works amazingly on Nilou Bloom teams, and she's better than Furina in Arlecchino teams because Furina makes Arlecchino even frailer than she already is because of the fact Arle can only heal through her own burst. Candace gives AoE Hydro apllication meaning more Vape chances without stealing vapes on top of it.
For the rest, that's the entire issue with Candace's kit: Hoyo keeps making onfielders with non-overridable self-infusion, meaning her Hydro Infusion is useless. We need more characters like Razor that have their elemental damage NOT come from direct weapon hits but from a coordinated attacking entity.
Other than that, both Candace and Yun Jin suffer from the fact that Hoyo was WAY too conservative with their buff multipliers. If Candace's buff had been similar to Yelan's (50%-ish total compared to Candace's 25%-ish) you could make a case of using her over Yelan or Xingqiu because Candace applies AoE hydro and not single target like the others. Same for Yun Jin, at C5 her power buff is roughly on par with C5 Bennett and she does not have the caveat of being limited to Circle Impact, and at C6 she pulls slightly ahead or is roughly equal to C6 Bennett iirc, but even then... with a Pyro DPS unit like Yoimiya, Pyro Resonance is a massive win. So Yun Jin's multipliers should have been a LOT higher from base to account for that.
Idgaf if they're gimmick or not, I love all of them.
Xiangling Impact is my favorite game. Just imagine if we get a 5 star version of her like we did for Xingqiu oh boy
But the 5 star is worse acording to alot of cc's like zyox, zagef, etc.
"By the time you see this video, he'll already be out"
Me who still has to wait just over an hour lmao
4:55 bro used Vars I terms 😭🙏
I think the one nice thing about Emilie is that she's dendro so while it's not as crazy a buff as Furina, you still get the resonance buff on Kinich hypercarry teams. In doing so, you also get the ability to splash Furina on other teams where she is also just as welcome if not more welcome.
Emilie will be like kazuha, Mark my words
She won't. Mark MY words.
@@Emmanuel_Rochashe’s already best in slot with Mualani and kinich so I beg to differ
@@Emmanuel_Rocha😂😂😂😂
@@joeltoomer3332 Umm, furina is better than her in kinich teams. Mualani wants a hypercarry playstyle so nadidas 250 em bonus usually results in more damage and also mualanis best team is xiangling kazuha kachina or xiangling furina baizhu. Idk what you are on .
If Yun Jin and Candace just also offered shielding and/or healing, that would fix soooo much about their viability.
I Personally think Emilie Is soo good character.... Before making any conclusion, i would say just wait for pyro archon , emilie will buff the burning reaction like she did with kinich and with archon she would be insane for sure...
by the way my emilie deals 70k per hit so for me , she is so strong character
Btw my xiangling did 84k vapes in spiral abyss with sucrose national.
@@AlwaysThirstys Bruh.... I Deal 90k with Xiangling.... She is just hidden 5 star character...
And I talk about Emilie single hit damage with her skill... Her skill run throughout the multiple waves ... So combined she deal millions of damage... With 3 hit she deal... 200k damage....
She is broken...and in Buring she is beast...
My favourite reaction is vaporise, and because of her ...my 2nd fav is burning......in place of Hyperbloom...
ALL of Kinich’s best and most damaging teams include Emily please do more research. Kachina is not Mualani’s best teammate.
Umm, kinich's best team replaces emily wiht furina because of how much pyro app there is she is just free vape damage with teamwide buffing.
@@AlwaysThirstys That’s factually false no calcs have ever shown this lol. Emilie simply does more damage consistently than Furina because of her inconsistent hydro App and you don’t have a team wide healer so unless you have C1 then you’re not getting that big of a buff my guy. Emilie is about 5K DPR better than Furina, Furina is just a viable alternative
one thing I like playing with gimmick/niche character is to assert my dominance in co-op, like everytime I nilou everyone change to dendro or hydro and it worked every single time, the same thing also happened with emilie
Tbh emilie is fine as she is and more often than not may just be better for kinich that furina (although thats highly debatable)
But on the case of candace i think ur just wrong...? The buff she gives may not seem much but it actually does enough and she opens up f2p team slots for MANY accounts
Need a good nilou team? Nilou nahida, yaoyao and candace and use yaoyao onfield only candace enables this and its actually a really good team.
Also she has like PERFECT synergy with Arlecchino tbh, her is able to vape all vap able attacks AND canadace still gives her atleast 30% NA bonus which could easily go to 40%
Candace would be good if she simply added infusion and it worked on all weapon types. Imagine Yoimiya but the arrows apply hydro and pyro together
Candace works on all elemental Normal attacks, even from non-Hydro attacks by characters immune to the Hydro infusion.
When gimmicks aren’t enough
You’re basically left with character appeal, and given the rate at which new characters come out, appeal wears of for many people very fast...
Video idea: Why nobody plays Candace, Dori or Sigewinne
Candace is a good alternate slot for a F2P hyperbloom team, plus she carried me through the burning Imaginarium Theater
Emilie came out on the edge of 5.0, a completely new area with new and exciting characters coming in the next patch. I'd say it's unfair to say her gimmick doesn't work. I'd also say i. Kinich's case, it's probably better to use thoma dehya over xiangling to take a lot less burning damage that you'll inevitably get, and because with you swinging around and her tornado orbiting you, you could potentially hit the nado a lot less than you usually would. So yes, you COULD use the extra damage she brings, as well as the boost from the dendro shred set
Just saying dyeha is always worse than xiangling. Also if the tornado stops then if it's ont eh emey you get a massive dps increase and if you are going the other way then same thing. In the end it averages out to xiangling dealing slightly more damage than normal with kiniche.
@@AlwaysThirstys after playing with both i can say: it does not average out. Xiangling is a huge dmg boost but if you want to maximize your potential you have to steer in a way that tornado always hits. You can actually hit the ult more with kinich than others but it takes meticulous timing. And good battery too. Dehya is way more comfortable, can slot the dendro set to boost his dmg, and provide great defensive utility
Emilie is just a do damage characters from off field she should have very big buff for burning teams but the only buff she had in her kit is c2 and generating energy for kinich
And when i say very big i mean furina level big
As for other niche characters they just don't do enough within their niche to make them good
Honestly I would have really loved to use Candace in gimmicky teams like playing Xingqiu as a DPS, but tying her infusion to her burst is so painful. I usually find myself avoiding burst-dependent characters unless their skills are functional without them.
Candace is decent these days. Then again, so is yunjn and emilie
i just realised smth they are releasing so mnay chars who want a good off field pyro right but all the ones we have rn have faults. It is rumoured that mavuika will become a support with constellations so what if they released mualani and kinich in a way to bait people into pulling for mavuika cons because she might be the only good pyro support
This isnt the first time, a similar thing happened in Sumeru, characters like Cyno were stuck with Dendro Traveller…
@@crem44 im so mad rn i just pulled for mualani 😭😭
Appreciate the Xenoblade Chronicles background music
Skill issue
Research issue
Experiment on field issue
Basically, a player issue. Not the character
Why emily was released now and not in Sumeru is just beyond me. No one cared for her cause everyone was waiting for Natlan.
I feel like gimmicky characters bring a new kind of play style especially if they aren’t compatible with the most meta characters like Furina, making you build the more unpopular characters. Me personally I’ve loved playing Emilie and having a reason to use my C2 Dehya
I hate gimmicky characters like Kaveh or Yunjin bc they feel so rigid and usually come with number of drawbacks that make them worse than they seem on paper. Characters that ENABLE gimmicks for others, like Furina and Xianyun are great imo bc they give you flexibility and let you be creative in team building
I really wish that HYV would periodically rebalance older underperforming characters. The state of Amber, Candice, Klee, Deyha, ect makes me sad.
Not all gimmick characters are created equally. Yun Jin is the best teammate for Yoimiya and Ayato. But Candace, Xinyan, Xianyun, Sethos and Emilie all pander to really unpopular playstyles
More specialized units and those that have very different playstyles or mechanics but do not break the game or are seen as very powerful to the point you need to go out of your way to pull for them will always have a difficult slope to climb. If you do put them in the ideal situation, they could perform well. But the barrier to entry for more specialized or niche units will always be high (with the need to build a team around them on top of needing to get used to the playstyle) such that wanting to get them beyond meta is based more on actually wanting the character and being willing to invest in the character.
Come endgame, most players will already either have a team that's built around a less niche playstyle or they have a team with a niche playstyle that already works. So by then, players won't have much reason to switch or take risks in getting a new niche unit unless they really want them.
And along comes Kinich, a guy who has 'niche' in his name, with intent to bring Burning and Emilie into the forefront, lol.
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If Focalors can indirectly buff Noelle, then anything is possible in Genshin Impact.
Yun Jin and Clorinde are a nice duo, especially if you got Uraku. But, uh yeah, those Natlan Geo units. Wow.
i doubt mavuika will be solely focused on burning or region locking, and will definitely have a kit slottable in many teams, not sure though, but will definitely help round out the kinich emilie team
mavuika will need to be general enough to be used in many comps but also flexible to slot into many different gimmiks while avoiding the archetypes of other archons
In games I play, I usually highly invest in niche, gimmicky underrated units, because I have a soft spot for them, and I make them as viable as possible. For Genshin, I use Xinyan, Dehya, Emilie, Chonyun. For ZZZ, I use Ben and Piper. I just like making them shine. 🙂
They dont have to be stronger than the alternative to be relevant. They just have to be relative or close enough to power while being fun to use. If you can squeeze them in on a team without too big a drop in dps between them and the better alternative, then thats good. Especially when you have to make two teams for abyss. A major fix they could make to these units is by lowering their burst cost. The less ER you need, the comfier and better these characters would be
Emilie is so op that ppl missed her rerun gonna be epic just like kazuboi was ignored at first
And no we can't escape xiangling
I think we need another cloud retainer type character where the character has a gimmick, but EVERYONE can make full use of it/it unlocks a new style of play
Restrictive gimmick characters like Nilou kinda just fail/fall flat on their face imo
I don't even have all the top tier characters in order to follow whatever is considered meta. Not that I even go for characters specifically for strength anyway. I tend to try for characters I like, have fun gameplay mechanics, or big sister characters. That roller blading chick is already on my hit list. If I knew Siegwinn or whatever her name is was Melusine, I would've tried for her. But Candace seems to works well paired up with Ayato. She has elemental gaurd point for defense utility. Switch tech application set up with her burst, and both characters benefits from the team hydro buff. She contributes more than just damage to a team. Give her that crit element particle staff, and recharge isn't a problem. But if people are people base character worth on Spiral Abyss clearing time, then I'm sure there are better options. Though I see people clearing Abyss all stars with characters like Barbara, Noelle, and Lisa.
I think they were experimenting with 5 star buffers with Shenhe & have decided that only 4 stars should be buffers.
I sometimes wish Hoyoverse made their games in the style of League of Legends. Not a MOBA but a game where they release hero units every once in a while, that you can buy once and that if we complained enough or wait long enough they'll rework or update the kit/world mechanics into something more modern.
Candace is still one of only three Hydro 4 stars and as great as Xingqiu is, his biggest weakness is that I can't have two of him. I remember being that desperate for a second Hydro. I even tried leveling Barbara.
Emilie's damage is more than enough to replace Furina.
Bruh, is emily providing an average of 50% damage bonus to the team. Along with that furina is vaping so her damage is way higher than normal, so with festering she actually does more damage than emily with deathmatch. Emily is legit just furina but no damage buff.
@@AlwaysThirstys "with festering"
How many Furina havers do you know who were playing in 1.2?
I love emilie she is great with my arle and now kinich
I enjoy Emilie tho. Yeah ppl said she has a mid design which I agree but playing her is really chill. All u need to do is apply burning and it crazy strong
Really appreciate your videos can you please make one about wonderer ❤❤
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this scared the shit outta me and i have no idea why
Gimmick characters are fine if they’re 4 stars or a main DPS 5 star. I think where gimmick characters suck is when they’re locked to a 5 star support as the meta is much stricter on what supports you need to make a DPS shine. Because of this strictness it is hard to justify getting Emilie over Nahida for example. Because of this, it’s makes it harder to build many types of fun experimental teams to spice up gameplay. And I expect it to get worse with Imaginarium Theatre elemental restrictions pushing you to get characters like Emilie and Nilou.
Tbh, i love gimmick units. And Yunjin isnt difficult to playwith at all, her burst costs 60, so you do have alot of room to work with.
The problem is that with genshin being a gacha game, comparison and competition between characters is only Natural. However, most characters are useable, as we have clearly seen with the numerous challenge Accounts. Claymores only, spells only etc., genshin requires understanding of the game, once you have that, then you can build and use ANY UNIT and have fun.
Ps: Yunjin is my current project, 2piece emblem 2 piece husk with the new Natlan spear giving soo much Def.
I love candace so much yet always struggle to fit her in somewhere (without going so niche I spend all my resources ), it's truly tragic
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Emilie feels like a filler character to me so her being gimmick makes total sense.
I like gimmicks that enable fun new ways to play or build teams. It keeps things engaging since genshin isn’t exactly difficult by itself
Can't wait for Kinich players begging for Emilie re run 🤭
A samsara circle of what happened with Kazuha between 2.0 and 2.8 👀
Emilie also provides damage reduction for burning though, so she does have utility
im anxious how hoyo will add 'gimick' or kit to pyro archon that is useful to one or more team comps