All touches which went to video review in this compilation were given as line after review. For these calls to be put in this video, they MUST fulfill one of these three criteria: 1: You can clearly SEE the referee make the point in line hand signal (index finger pointing out), OR 2: You can clearly HEAR the referee make the point in line call, OR 3: There are 2 lights, and the point goes to the fencers who is fairly clearly trying for point in line PREVIOUS PIL COMPILATIONS: Point in Line 3: th-cam.com/video/TjrL-t33k4g/w-d-xo.html Point in Line 2: th-cam.com/video/X5oBhWy69cM/w-d-xo.html Point in Line 1: th-cam.com/video/0k7OPX8Sgdk/w-d-xo.html
Observations: Arm does not have to be perfectly straight. Receiving a beat does not lose RoW unless they attack immediately after. Merely advancing is not an attack Line can be established from close (ie lunge) distance Making a small lunge does not lose RoW ie turn the line into a counter attack
It also seems like the fencer presenting the point in line can retreat at any point, even to take some distance from their opponent as the opponent lunges, as long as they maintain the PiL I've seen local refs in my area hesitate to call PiL in those types of situations
@@OlympicFoil beside of the rules about point in line, referee must feel the action. some of the point in line decisions might be correct however some fencer does point line as if he/she trying to do counter-attack. referee must see the difference between counter-attack and point in line clearly.
@@connorfoley-walker5672 yes I think this is the operative point - he takes a beat then the opponent establishes line while the left fencer is just advancing (not considered an attack). As usual, RoW is a bit context dependent: walking forward and hitting *could* be considered an attack *if* your opponent doesn’t do anything else. However, if you are just walking forwards and your opponent extends their arm while you are just advancing, then you do not have RoW - they do.
Notice that you can't step left, a foul, so outside of competition, you always step left, for a riposte across the middle regardless of foe's hand preference or secondary blade, then a direct shot through the left socket. Every single time.
All touches which went to video review in this compilation were given as line after review.
For these calls to be put in this video, they MUST fulfill one of these three criteria:
1: You can clearly SEE the referee make the point in line hand signal (index finger pointing out), OR
2: You can clearly HEAR the referee make the point in line call, OR
3: There are 2 lights, and the point goes to the fencers who is fairly clearly trying for point in line
PREVIOUS PIL COMPILATIONS:
Point in Line 3: th-cam.com/video/TjrL-t33k4g/w-d-xo.html
Point in Line 2: th-cam.com/video/X5oBhWy69cM/w-d-xo.html
Point in Line 1: th-cam.com/video/0k7OPX8Sgdk/w-d-xo.html
Observations:
Arm does not have to be perfectly straight.
Receiving a beat does not lose RoW unless they attack immediately after.
Merely advancing is not an attack
Line can be established from close (ie lunge) distance
Making a small lunge does not lose RoW ie turn the line into a counter attack
That sums it up nicely I would say 👍😄
It also seems like the fencer presenting the point in line can retreat at any point, even to take some distance from their opponent as the opponent lunges, as long as they maintain the PiL
I've seen local refs in my area hesitate to call PiL in those types of situations
@@alexthegreat38 Yep another good observation, there are even more examples of that in the earlier compilations too
@@alexthegreat38 you're right but even the fencer extends the gap, he/she wants counter-attack while doing point-in line.
1:27 the left blade lost the straight line and due to target missing, point should be the right side.
Yeah some of these would cause a lot of disagreement between referees
@@OlympicFoil beside of the rules about point in line, referee must feel the action. some of the point in line decisions might be correct however some fencer does point line as if he/she trying to do counter-attack. referee must see the difference between counter-attack and point in line clearly.
Is it have to be standstill or move forward to make it a call or I can get the point during retreat with the pil?
You can get the point during retreat too.
Any footwork, standstill, move forward or standstill you can get the point with pil 👍
at 4:43, didnt the italian make a beat before the lunge, therefore getting right of way?
I guess he must have taken too long
He does two steps before his step lunge by my count.
@@connorfoley-walker5672 yes I think this is the operative point - he takes a beat then the opponent establishes line while the left fencer is just advancing (not considered an attack). As usual, RoW is a bit context dependent: walking forward and hitting *could* be considered an attack *if* your opponent doesn’t do anything else. However, if you are just walking forwards and your opponent extends their arm while you are just advancing, then you do not have RoW - they do.
Notice that you can't step left, a foul, so outside of competition, you always step left, for a riposte across the middle regardless of foe's hand preference or secondary blade, then a direct shot through the left socket. Every single time.