I really love this song and this movie. I appreciate that you shared this with us. I thought both Craig and James were phenomenal. but man, I just fell in love with James (who played Loeb). reminds me of Brando and Richard Gere. James didn't persue an acting career, he went to law school and is a lawyer in Brooklyn, New York. Craig, of course, became a star.
I find it more heart-breaking that Leopold seemed only to have gone through with this out of love for Loeb. Despite what people think, it usually appears to be love that drives people in murders that are done by more than one person - at least for one of them. It is a brilliant movie.
Riveripple . In his autobiography Leopold says that his relationship with Loeb destroyed his life. However, he never curses Loeb or speaks ill of him. The truth is that he never ceased to love Loeb. He kept a picture of Loeb on his wall til the day he died (in 1971).
William S. Awh =/ That's the sweetest thing I've heard, to be honest. See, that's why I appreciate Leopold as a person. In all other similar situations they've slagged them off as soon as they've been caught and completely changed, which proves how much lack of love was actually there. It's certainly true that their relationship was dangerous and ultimately ruined his life, and he's just being honest - he could easily say bad words about him or blame him for everything like so many people do, but he loves him so he doesn't. I don't believe you stop loving someone once you've started, if it's unconditional you always will.
Riveripple . Yes, I think you're right. Leopold's love for Loeb was about as unconditional -- and permanent -- as human love is likely to be. Loeb had wrecked his life, and Leopold knew Loeb's faults and talks about them in his autobiography, though without rancour, and never as critically as I would have done in his situation. During the last five or six years or so before Loeb's murder, they seem to have become extremely close -- judging from the amount of time they spent together, as well as from their probably having no one else except each other, as also from Leopold's comment that, during those years, he and Loeb became "as close as it is possible for two men to be" (which I suspect is true: it was not in Leopold's interest to make that up and say it), and I suspect that Loeb developed something vaguely like real love for Leopold to the degree that he was capable of it, which wasn't much I suspect (he was too emotionally retarded, perhaps psychopathic), but something like love might have developed as he matured. I don't know.
William S. Yes, I think it's very much when you are in the situation of loving someone so unconditionally that you would do anything for them - even if it meant forgetting your morals and values. It's hard to think you would go that far unless you are in that situation, but it's not hard to picture when you really, really think about it. Despite being on the opposite side of the spectrum, love can be as influencing as fear or hate can be, if not (much) more. And I get that from pictures of them together where Loeb's arm is around him, as insignificant as it sounds - seems almost protective. I am 50/50 with Loeb, but I feel certain that Leopold was genuinely a very compassionate person at heart - just one who got into a very, for many, unfortunate and destructive situation.
good classic movie romantic and sad "Nathan Leopold &Richard Loeb" Gray love, faded memories for eternity *cut out the murder Their love was seen as wrong anyway. (Sexuality in the past Being seen as wrong, some people are afraid to admit very different from the present) 🤟"...
Do any of you know what James Schatlett persued instead of acting after making this. he is on facebook.....but he seems to live a very private life. I think he's married and has a son and a daughter. I wonder how he felt about the movie, his character.
hope I'm not repeating what has already been said....if you take away the crime...murdering that poor little boy.....their relationship is true of many gay relationships (not all but some...). where one loves the other, but is self absorbed, manipulative, cruel, withholds sex, but can also be kind at times....and the other is constantly trying to impress the other, change him, love him the way he wants to be loved, constantly fighting to make things better. it's dysfunctional to be sure, but unfortunately still happens and remains true.
+John Brinkman Unfortunately it happens with many people, regardless of sexuality or their relationship status. Unrequited or unequal love must be one of the most painful and driving things a person can experience. Of course, you do very strange things for love, even if you know it isn't reciprocated.
glad you agree. this video with the song makes me so sad. the truth of it hurts my heart. or maybe it makes me sad because Daniel Schlactet is so f'n beautiful.
I haven't ever been in a true relationship, except once....which didn't last though i wanted it to....and i certainly fell into the obsession/unrequited love/people please TRAP. it's just gone on for so long. so long. so long
What, seriously? That's a quality of abusive relationships, not gay ones. Any relationship could be abusive, regardless of the sexuality. I hope your opinion has changed since you commented this.
This made me fall in love even more with them..
I really love this song and this movie. I appreciate that you shared this with us. I thought both Craig and James were phenomenal. but man, I just fell in love with James (who played Loeb). reminds me of Brando and Richard Gere. James didn't persue an acting career, he went to law school and is a lawyer in Brooklyn, New York.
Craig, of course, became a star.
+John Brinkman You're welcome :) Yes I agree. Both actors were really amazing. Leopold in this just had me heartbroken.
Beautiful❤️
good movie, good song and good video!
thank you very much darling!
+IHateDrumMachines thank you very much
Good movie. When you consider how bad these bad boys were, it's surprising the degree to which they have become gay icons.
I find it more heart-breaking that Leopold seemed only to have gone through with this out of love for Loeb. Despite what people think, it usually appears to be love that drives people in murders that are done by more than one person - at least for one of them. It is a brilliant movie.
Riveripple . In his autobiography Leopold says that his relationship with Loeb destroyed his life. However, he never curses Loeb or speaks ill of him. The truth is that he never ceased to love Loeb. He kept a picture of Loeb on his wall til the day he died (in 1971).
William S. Awh =/ That's the sweetest thing I've heard, to be honest. See, that's why I appreciate Leopold as a person. In all other similar situations they've slagged them off as soon as they've been caught and completely changed, which proves how much lack of love was actually there. It's certainly true that their relationship was dangerous and ultimately ruined his life, and he's just being honest - he could easily say bad words about him or blame him for everything like so many people do, but he loves him so he doesn't. I don't believe you stop loving someone once you've started, if it's unconditional you always will.
Riveripple .
Yes, I think you're right. Leopold's love for Loeb was about as unconditional -- and permanent -- as human love is likely to be. Loeb had wrecked his life, and Leopold knew Loeb's faults and talks about them in his autobiography, though without rancour, and never as critically as I would have done in his situation. During the last five or six years or so before Loeb's murder, they seem to have become extremely close -- judging from the amount of time they spent together, as well as from their probably having no one else except each other, as also from Leopold's comment that, during those years, he and Loeb became "as close as it is possible for two men to be" (which I suspect is true: it was not in Leopold's interest to make that up and say it), and I suspect that Loeb developed something vaguely like real love for Leopold to the degree that he was capable of it, which wasn't much I suspect (he was too emotionally retarded, perhaps psychopathic), but something like love might have developed as he matured. I don't know.
William S. Yes, I think it's very much when you are in the situation of loving someone so unconditionally that you would do anything for them - even if it meant forgetting your morals and values. It's hard to think you would go that far unless you are in that situation, but it's not hard to picture when you really, really think about it. Despite being on the opposite side of the spectrum, love can be as influencing as fear or hate can be, if not (much) more. And I get that from pictures of them together where Loeb's arm is around him, as insignificant as it sounds - seems almost protective. I am 50/50 with Loeb, but I feel certain that Leopold was genuinely a very compassionate person at heart - just one who got into a very, for many, unfortunate and destructive situation.
good classic movie romantic and sad "Nathan Leopold &Richard Loeb" Gray love, faded memories for eternity *cut out the murder Their love was seen as wrong anyway. (Sexuality in the past Being seen as wrong, some people are afraid to admit very different from the present) 🤟"...
Do any of you know what James Schatlett persued instead of acting after making this. he is on facebook.....but he seems to live a very private life. I think he's married and has a son and a daughter. I wonder how he felt about the movie, his character.
美しい👍
How can I watch this movie ?
You can watch it here. Enjoy! www.veoh.com/watch/v20972011fEEFdNpA?h1=Swoon+1992
hope I'm not repeating what has already been said....if you take away the crime...murdering that poor little boy.....their relationship is true of many gay relationships (not all but some...). where one loves the other, but is self absorbed, manipulative, cruel, withholds sex, but can also be kind at times....and the other is constantly trying to impress the other, change him, love him the way he wants to be loved, constantly fighting to make things better. it's dysfunctional to be sure, but unfortunately still happens and remains true.
+John Brinkman Unfortunately it happens with many people, regardless of sexuality or their relationship status. Unrequited or unequal love must be one of the most painful and driving things a person can experience. Of course, you do very strange things for love, even if you know it isn't reciprocated.
glad you agree. this video with the song makes me so sad. the truth of it hurts my heart. or maybe it makes me sad because Daniel Schlactet is so f'n beautiful.
I haven't ever been in a true relationship, except once....which didn't last though i wanted it to....and i certainly fell into the obsession/unrequited love/people please TRAP. it's just gone on for so long. so long. so long
you mean abusive relationships
What, seriously? That's a quality of abusive relationships, not gay ones. Any relationship could be abusive, regardless of the sexuality. I hope your opinion has changed since you commented this.