Which Doctor lived the LONGEST & SHORTEST? | Doctor Who Theory
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15:20 I did mention in the prequel video to this, both because its no fun just saying the Doctor is 4.5 billion, as well as his body and his surroundings resetting, we're gunna assume his body and age kept resetting to what it was when he arrived. Plus, you'd think he'd physically have aged even a tiny bit over that. So if his body doesn't age, I'm gunna with the idea that his number doesn't either.
However, at the end of each iteration he remembered all of what had gone before... His body may have reset but his consciousness didn't, so I think an argument could be made that he was the longest lived Doctor.
Also, not his entire environment was reset. He was bashing through the hardest stuff in the universe and got a miniscule bit further every reset. That would suggest there is something to say about the age of the Twelfth.
@@PjotrGiling Also also... The skulls in the water didn't reset. Creepy!
Kinda strange bc the Doctor is a timelord who regenerates so we often don't see him age.
You forgot "the long way home" for Capaldi
imagine having 12 lives, then you lose your 3rd and 2nd to last lives really quickly so you desperately hold onto (what you think will be) your last life... actually makes sense why 11 lived so long
He/she also had doctor of War so there is 14 lives
@@Starstruck1000
Do you mean the war doctor? Because he was one of the first 12 lives, Scine didn't forget him.
I wonder if the doctor counts his age differently for each incarnation
Time lords have 13 lives he didn’t regenerate to 12 straight away coz he wasted it in the stolen earth
I don't think 11 completely knew that the metacrisis counted until Trenzalore. He might've suspected it, and the poison in Let's Kill Hitler might've tipped him off, but it was only conclusively confirmed after the first few centuries fighting to protect Christmas town.
I feel like Ten has lived the shortest, making his dissatisfaction about his sacrifice and death even more significant
Although it does make sense for 11 to like the longest. It was his last regeneration, so he wanted to make the most of it.
And then he became a satisfaction regeneratihg back in himself as 14. Which was most likely the shortest.
Considering the Christmas special this year is supposed to be a Ncuti Gatwa standalone, the 14th Doctor doesn't even get a full goddamn month. @@timgorg1919
@@timgorg1919 the doctor has regenerated into tennant so much (4) its starting to make me believe hes the default appearance now
@@BenjaminKirbyTennyson0 Well, he kinda is. If I think of Doctor Who I think of Tennant.
My favorite theory to explain why the War Doctor is about 800 when he regenerates, but Nine tells Rose he's about 900, is that Nine spent a hundred years travelling alone in between when Rose first refused him and when he returned to entice her into the TARDIS with "Oh, did I mention, it also travels in time?" I like the idea that he tried to go it alone but he couldn't stop thinking about Rose and eventually decided to go back to just seconds after he left to try to convince her.
There is a story about 9 where after regenerating after War he shattered every reflection in the TARDIS because he couldn't bear to look at himself (believing he destroyed Gallifrey and redefined mass genocide). He spent several years not looking at his reflection until he encountered the mirror at Rose's flat.
It’s always hard to get the truth from the Doctor since he/she hides behind their jokes. They also want to usually impress their companions and play the role of the Lord of Time rather than face the pain of their existence and open up.
@@Spatgoober yeah that's what the comment said
@@Alphanaxx ik I just shortened it
That would also explain all those pictures of the Ninth Doctor travelling alone that Clive had. The Doctor had clearly only recently regenerated in “Rose” so it couldn’t have happened before.
I think the 9th doctor lived longer than a year. Russell T Davies has said since Rose that the mirror scene was not to show that he has recently regenerated. Also Clive shows Rose tonnes of pictures of the 9th Doctor on adventures to the Titanic etc. So I think that the 9th Doctor lived at least a few decades.
I really like the theory that when 9 leaves in ROSE when rose decides to stay when he comes bck to say its also a time machine that he actually had the adventures shown in clives pictures
@@Katie-xd1nt Exactly. When Nine left Rose at the end of that episode, he went off into time/space alone for a while. Then (according to my headcanon) he runs into a meeting of his past selves in the 60th anniversary episode and his interactions with Ten will make him realize that he should give Rose a second chance. He then leaves and goes back to the end of Rose...
@Hugh Janus Same I 100% agree. He regenerated at 800 years old and spent 100 years alone and while odd he hasnt looked at his face in all that time, it is entirely possible. He sees his new face usually by outside Tardis means anyway and since it's a PTSD Doctor, he may have not wanted to look at face at first and then never got around to it
I have to agree. I always felt like he had been living for a long time, but his behaviour was just how he hadn’t been around modern humans and items for a while.
@@thehollow33 800? The Seventh Doctor was already 953 in his first story. The Eighth Doctor once talked about being over 1,000 in the audios - which Moffat made canon with The Night of the Doctor so please no "they don't count" argument. The entire "the Doctor is 900 years old" thing of RTD never made any sense as long as we don't either go with the later Moffat explanation that the Doctor lies and just doesn't know how old he really is at this point - given the Time War and how many timelines of the Doctor himself probably collpased in on themselves this could actually make a lot of sense - or the Doctor knows how old he is and just lies to make himself younger. The first time he says that he is 900 was in "Aliens of London" when he says "900 years of phonebox travelling" (or something along these lines), and Rose asks him if he is 900 years old and he simply confirms it. Maybe he just went with that afterwards, I don't know. But if that were the case, he had to be around 1,193 at that point since he was 293 when he stole the TARDIS according to Romana in "The Ribos Operation".
People talk about how vain 10 is when he sends his regeneration energy into his severed hand so he doesn’t have to change, but this really explains why he felt that way. Especially with the “I don’t want to go, totally makes sense! Give the guy a break, he was only 5!
Exactly!!
dr103 well, that's arguable. Smith, in Day of the Doctor Smith says he's 1200, and the War Doctor, just prior to his regeneration, says that there's 400 years between him and Smith, meaning nine, initially, was 800 years old, and in Series 1 he was 900, meaning, he spent 100 years getting over the time war.
Yeah, and it would make sense why he would be fine with regenerating, because he knew he could get a restart and start a new life for rose, looking younger and more attractive, less aggressive, and potentially more positive in his outlook. He knew his ninth incarnation was messed up by the time war, and starting over in a new form may be a step closer to getting over it and having a clean restart. That's just my opinion however.
Mikhael Senn hmm that’s a really interesting was to look at it! That makes a lot of sense
@dr103 I think canonically, he went running around the universe a bit in "Rose", at the end. He literally offered Rose a trip to anywhere in space, explored for maybe a century, then it suddenly occurred to him that he should mention time travel too. He lived longer than we saw.
If u think about it, 11 being the longest kinda makes sense. It was (or at least he thought it was...) his last regeneration so was probably more careful. That’s not say that the other Doctors were reckless or the 11th Doctor wasn’t at all. But him having his youngest ever face seems like a chance to live longer so living the longest regeneration just makes sense to me, especially as he thought it was his last
11 lived the longest because being unable to regenerate, he just kept on living long past the threshold which would usually trigger the process (such as the first and the war doctor).
I would argue that 11 was the least careful doctor. His catchphrase was "Geronimo" and he got so into things he shouldn't that he had to erase himself from history! 😂
Wouldn't the youngest start go to the first doctor?
Plus whenever 11 found out he was going to get shot or die stranded on a planet - he set into motion a timeline change like having River shoot a duplicate instead or bring Gallifrey back to give himself more lives.
@Mike DeMarco How wouldn't he know, he could count, right?
Now you can see why 10 said he could have done “SO MUCH MORE” in The End of Time.
Context
He was saying that compared to wilf he could do so much more
@@nl8989 No he wasn't, the whole scene was about how short of a life he had in that body
@@nl8989Lol what? You're doing some insane mental gymnastics to reach that conclusion.
What about when Capaldi survives for 4.5 billion years or so in the Confession Dial? He remembers it during Hell Bent
If you watch my previous video we establish how we handle Heaven Sent
@@thewhoaddicts I missed this comment before adding my own. I have not seen your previous video and you TOTALLY failed to address it in this video - even to the extent of failing to add a reference to its existence.
Probably because it’s best the ignore the ridiculous implication that 12 ‘remembers’ that 4.5 million years.
Capaldi gives absolutely no indication whatsoever during the entirety of Heaven Sent that this is the case.
Because, during the episode, it isn’t the case.
It’s some random bs that Moffat decided to toss in at a later date to up the ante.
If he does remember, why doesn’t he just run straight from the spawning room to the Azbantium wall, maybe picking up a tool on the way instead of using his fist?
It’s made abundantly clear that he is figuring out his circumstances for the first time every time we see him.
How can he remember? He literally dies and a totally independent clone of him is then created from his original teleportation information. Every time he starts he is the exact same person.That’s the whole point of the episode!
The nonsensical line Moffat gives him about somehow being aware of that time , is one of the reasons why Hell Bent pisses over the genius of the episode before it.
@@stevetayler9518 He doesn't need to remember; there's a tunnel that gets ever deeper to tell him this isn't his first rodeo. He's smart; he can figure it out.
GregInHouston2 Exactly. He does figure it out, you’re totally right.
Which is why the line in Hell Bent about him remembering all those years makes. No. Sense. At. All.
Tbh the Doctor is that old he’s probably forgot his age lol
Heck, the eighth Doctor had to start counting again in the novels, saying that he was three years old
@@EditedAF987 The amnesia 8 got was dangerous. I guess NuWho age count started from when 8 had amnesia
He does mention somewhere that he lost track
"I can't remember, that's how old I am." - 11, Day of the Doctor
@@RileyWritey i can't remember how old I am
That's how old I am
I lose track
gotta respect the hustle with the 11th doctor lol
he's like, this is my last body, no way i'm just letting this shit go without using it up to it's breaking point
".... But it shouldn't matter, after all I have infinite regenerations thanks to a retcon"
@@theredguy4043 ugh don't remind me 😩 that's honestly one of my main issues with the timeless child. It's not even that it makes the doctor too special (which I don't love either but I can live with) it's that it lowers the stakes when the doctor is put in super dangerous situations and makes a lot of their old sacrifices that they made thinking they had limited regenerations seem less impactful
@geowinchester4573 I'm pretty sure he doesn't have infinite regenerations. He was chameleon arched into a Time Lord from being the Timeless Child. The arching is always reversed in the TV show, (Because its usually a plot device), but in the EU, we know that if the device is destroyed before the effect is reversed, then it cannot ever be reversed again.
The Doctor still has his new set of regenerations from The Time of the Doctor, but he is still fundamentally a Time Lord. He's obviously never going to actually die, but there are plenty more in-universe reasons for it. Vortex Butterflies states that he is an infinitely recursive being whose infinite future fuels his infinite past, a Meta nod to the fact that future Doctor Who works will constantly add more stories for the past Doctors. There is also the out-of-universe reason being that the series cannot end with his permanent death.
If the War Doctor was being accurate when he said he was ‘400’ years younger than 11th Doctor then, because we saw him start to regenerate at the end of that story, so 9th Doctor must have lived about 100 years before we meet him. Granted that’s not what we’re led to believe in Rose but maybe he has some kind of amnesia.
There is a theory that when he left and returned at the end of Rose even though it only appeared to be a few seconds that from his POV he was gone for 100 years.
That's when he did all that stuff where he was photographed purposefully for Rose to find.
i agree because it is quite clear when we see the pictures of him in the past that he had lived a life before rose
Books have him smashing every mirror in the TARDIS right after regenerating because at that point he hates himself for destroying Gallifrey ( or at least thinking he did ) and can't stand to look at himself.
@@spaceboomer564I do like this. Plus it makes sense, after what he (thought to have) done in the Time War, he was probably so traumatized that he really couldn't face his own reflection. He probably flew around time and space for a while, trying right some wrongs looking a redemption he didn't believe in... Until he met Rose, decided taking a companion aboard the TARDIS again might be good for him and looking at his face for the first time in a while.
If I remember correctly, the 9th Doctor was 800 during the episode Rose but at the end when he comes back for Rose after 100 years making him 100 years. The War doctor was 800 when he regenerated.
But the sixth doctor said he was 900. And the seventh doctor said he was 953
@@EditedAF987 I think he loses count during the time war and just starts again at 900
When he became the 8th doctor he restarted his age cause he didn't know how old he was.
@@EditedAF987 My fan theory is that the Doctor sometimes gives his age in Gallifreyian years, and sometimes in Earth years (with Gallifreyian ones being shorter). So, that's where the discrepancy comes from.
@@EditedAF987 , the only way any of this works is that the War Doctor started over at zero.
Which makes a lot of sense. The only Doctors that regenerated from old age (aside from the original) were War and the 11th. I count the 11th as lasting 700 years, and the War Doctor says he’s 800. Since he’s old, he’s got to be counting just his current regeneration.
Didn't the 9th doctor have a lot of adventures in between the few seconds when he left rose then (seemingly) immediately come back telling her that the tardis also travels through time?
And he had a few before he met Rose. In his first episode it's said by that guy rose visits that the ninth doctor saw JFK murdered and he saved a family from the titanic.
He also met Churchill and he will soon have his own Big Finish audio series. He lived a lot more than 1 year but he just couldn't watch himself in a mirror because of what he did.
I like to imagine, the 9th doctor having his adventures for a couple centuries, then one day out of nowhere realizing he forgot to mention it was a time machine.
There was also the audio adventure from the ninth doctor chronicles 'The Other Side" in which the Doctor got trapped back in time to the end of the 19th century and lived 28 years to get to where rose was in the early 20th century
There are multiple theories that don't exactly completely disprove this, but give a lot of evidence as to why it doesn't seem to be the case. Also by that logic there are literally hundreds of times in the show where he could have done that.
If the war doctor ‘reset’ his age, Eccleston, tennant and smith would forget due to repressing the war Doctor, and simply go off their age of their last recollective incarnation which was 8
They didn't repress the War Doctor. 9th hated him, 10th was haunted by him, and only then did 11 try to forget, but he didn't.
The doctor never forgets anything even if he wanted to.he just acts like it never exists
Croversola fine replace forget with deny
What no?
They would forget the events of Day of the Doctor, not the war doctor himself 😀
or more simply.... as they say "he is not the doctor" his years do not count to the age of the doctor. because he was not the doctor. the warrior is that age, the doctor ceased aging after 8, and began again from the point the warrior regenerated.
"no significant time jumps for the 12th doctor"
hold up, where did the 4 and a half Billion years go, the time that he spent in the confession dial in 'heaven sent'
Due to the way the hard drive works in the confession dial, the Doctor escaped in the same state he was in when he first entered. So, while he _is_ in the dial for billions and billions of years, he had only (biologically) aged a few hours at most.
He still was aging mentally, cause he could remember as he figured things out. So his body may not have aged, but he did. He still lived through the 4.5 Billion years, he just wasn't physically aging. And the question wasn't how much they aged, it was how long they each lived for.
Alex Song Agreed. Since the doctor’s timeline can only be reasonably calculated in his frame of reference that 4.5 billlion years definitely counts!
@@brinmoody I don't think he did, though. He restarted each time with only the memories that he had when he arrived. The only reason he got through was because the exit room was the only room that didn't reset each time.
@@michaelramsey82 He does remember in the episode, me and flatmate just watched it! When he realises works out how old he is because of the star locations the memories start to return and Clara notices how much he has aged when they next meet
Well... Remember, the first rule: "The Doctor lies."
👍👍 ✌
Good point, the doc never really says much of what he did in between times with friends and adverts turned not mentioned
Not only does the Doctor lie, he's been know to lie, cheat and steal when the need arises.
Hopefully that means the timeless children was lies
Can we just forget that the Timless Child happened?
yes please!
What timeless child there’s nothing called that........ I really wish
No it wasn't the worst episode ever
Nononono it’s going to be like Spider-Man’s clone saga where the green goblin tells Peter he’s a clone and Ben is actually the real peter Parker
Which if you don’t know that was a lie the green goblin told both of them. peter was the original peter Parker and Ben is the clone
The "what child"??? I have watched all of Jodie's episode's, and I wish the timeless child was never written. So disappointing, and the Master is boring, too overly evil, not like Missy, who was 3dimensional. What the hell has happened? Chibnall must go. The storyline makes no sense, and it hurts the DR WHO legacy.
We just gonna forget about the fact that 12 was in the confession dial for like 4 billion years?
Well, the doctor that escaped the confession dial was still a newly teleported doctor from the trap street, so he only aged one day
@@rankingeverydoctorwhostory8756 Huh? So time stopped?
@@michaelnemo7629 No, time doesnt stop. As soon as one Doctor kills himself to activate the teleport, the new one carries on from there. Hence why in the final montage, the Doctor keeps estimating he is further and further in the future based on the stars.
@@rankingeverydoctorwhostory8756 It wasnt one day in the confession dial because he does all that running from one side to the other side of the dial, counting the hours to sleep and work and so on.
His body didn't age but his mind and consciousness did. He could still remember what happened, as evident by the fact he was learning while in the Dial and remembered what happened when he got out. So while his body didn't age, he himself did.
I hate that RTD made the Doctor so linear, its madness that 9 and 10s lives were so short.
Eleven is my favourite so I'm glad he had such a long life
11's my favourite too!!
I personally didn't enjoy 9. I think his time being short was a good thing story wise because he was only there to introduce a new audience to who. That's why he didn't exactly act like the standard doctor we'd come to know.
The thing is, he's a time traveler. During the 3rd Doctor, for example, once he got full control of the Tardis he could have told Sarah Jane "I'm just going to pop out for something," then been gone 500 years, then popped back into her time two minutes later. 4th Dr could have gone all kinds of places after "The Deadly Assassin" when he had no companions. He could have done the same with Romana, since she was a fellow time lord. There's all kinds of "between companions" moments that can't be known.
Biggest issues with some of these is the companions, especially in nuWho. The Doctor’s lack of control (and the randomiser installed after The Key Of Time) meant that he didn’t leave companions at home and come back to get them.
This means that the 2nd Doctor’s life (ignoring 6b) is almost all spent alongside Jamie, so unless Ben & Polly were with him for many years between Power of The Daleks and The Highlanders in stories we didn’t see, that period of his life was extremely short.
Similarly, the 3rd Doctor. As you say, his exile severely compressed his first few years up to The Three Doctors (although not necessarily ‘real time’, and the change from Liz to Jo could have happened after a number of years - we don’t see her age on departure). After this, though, the only point he can really have an extended life off-screen is between Jo & Sarah Jane, when he’s able to be away from Earth and come back shortly after he left.
The 5th Doctor has a similar issue to the 2nd…except for a brief break between Timeflight and Arc of Infinity, Tegan was with him for almost the whole of his run. Only the times when alien companions Nyssa and Turlough travel with him solo could allow for longer periods offscreen, as they may age significantly slower than humans
Six has the advantage of the undisclosed period prior to the trial, between Peri and Mel
7, 8 and the War Doctor, as mentioned, all have curtailed runs on screen and could have travelled alone or with multiple unseen companions
Nine is certainly the shortest, but the feeling is there’s a lot more happening between episodes - how quickly Jack integrates, for example.
Personally, I often feel like the Doctor doesn’t even remember his actual age, so often ball-parks it…I seem to remember Tom Baker gave multiple figures and hints on-screen which didn’t match up
he's immortal, would you bother to remember your age if you were?
Me when I first started watching Who: “aw 10, I get it but it’s okay, just regenerate”
Me halfway thru 11’s run when I realized 10 literally a had so little time compared to the other incarnations: 🥺
I always believed that the Doctor wasn’t aware of his live as a agent in his 2nd body. Believing he’s younger than he actually is
Exactly, which gives us more years to allocate to the 4th Doctor. There's no way the 4th only lived for 63 years, as he had so many companions and adventures that it's simply not possible to cram that all in to a short time.
The Eighth Doctor could be the oldest incarnation as he lived for around 1125 years in _Escape Velocity._
Plug all the ages into a calculator, find the average age of the eighth and war doctors, and the doctor is round about 3809.
Not as old as i was expecting him to be.
@dr103 she was falling for 100s of years? I dont think so, but all this is now moot anyways with the Timeless Child. The Doctoe could have be billions of years old before she was even found, let alone before what we know as the 1st Doctor.
@dr103 i think in this videos case it would have been only a year, as he seems to be following it as linear earth years. Otherwise 9 would have been way older then 1, and 10 more then 5, and 12 over 4.5billion.
It makes sense not to count the confesion dial in 12th Doctor´s lifespan, after all it was a new doctor every day, but the guarding of the vault should add at least 900 years to his lifespan, as we hear he make an oath to guard it for a thousand years and I think he mentions at some point that the guarding is near its end.
The 12th Doctor spent over 70 years at the University where he met Bill. I would say he’s much older than said here.
He mentioned that in the video. 24 years on Derilum, 70 years at the University, so he's atleast 94.
He's at least 94. University 70 years plus 24 years with River. But that's ignoring entire Series 8 and 9. For me, he's around 140.
Plus the 100.000’s of years in his confession dial.
@@Riku70X At least, yes. Hundreds of thousands of years in the confession dial as well as his adventures with Clara and alone.
@@slumdogjay but he also died several times. Therefore the one that escaped only stayed there for a few months or something
The doctor is like the ladies who claim they are only 21 years old, but are really closer to 50.
Well, that's why I stopped counting. So I can always say I'm about 40ish. (And as we all know, 40 is the new 20!)
Just don't ask him his body count! Lol
Season 6B is the only thing that makes sense to explain the 300 year gap between the start of 2 and the start of 4 b/c we can declare concretely from the companions that the televised stories of the 2nd and 3rd Doctors each took up less than a single human lifespan. The 3rd Doctor in particular I think must have had the shortest lifespan of any Doctor, being mostly relegated to Earth and working with the same group of humans the whole time who clearly remain within a very limited span of their lives during his time with them and absolutely no indication that he and Jo or Sarah Jane would spend years in the TARDIS between Earth-bound adventures. And for the 2nd Doctor there's the fact that Jamie was with him for the entirety of his televised run so at most the 2nd Doctor's televised stories took place over 2 or 3 decades. This leaves only season 6B to fill the gap. There's nothing else.
Or we just accept that the Doctor has no clue as to his actual age and be done with it.
And I think the 10th Doctor lived a lot longer than you're crediting him. I think it's fairly heavily implied that he and Rose had years worth of travels that we just don't get to see. I think the same could be said of the Doctor and Donna, and I see no reason to think that his companion-less periods between seasons and the specials after season 4 were short periods. He could have traveled by himself for years - even decades - more during those spans.
you forgot 3rd he spent some time trapped on earth but for his whole run, and I dont accept 6b
Russel confirmed he lived 5 years
I'm pretty sure the 12th Doctor spent 139 years in a stasis pod in 'Before the Flood'.
Yeah, but he wouldn't age if it was a stasis pod.
i can't remember the episode but i believe 3rd doctor blurts out he's been alive for "several thousand years" once...
He measured his age in thousands at least twice, in fact - I don't remember specifically when one of them was, but in The Mind of Evil he claims angrily to "have been [a scientist] for several thousand--" before cutting himself off as none of the Earthlings will believe him. People tend to just ignore those, but I think that even if they're discarded ultimately for the theory, they still deserve a mention in the discussion.
@@eclecticdog2k901 yep i remember afterward as well. the mind of evil he says it and the first time is in the Silurian story
It helps to show he gave contradictory ages not to be relied on as true.
Probably just him using hyperbole.
Respectfully, I disagree with the idea that 9 only lived a year. In Rose, we see him all throughout history traveling alone and audio dramas without rose as well. I assume he spent about a year with rose with a few years alone before this
Makes sense that 11 lived so long because he thought that was the end of him, no regenerations left, until some time lord magic came through to help him out
Thanks to Clara.....Her scolding the Time Lords/plea for help averted the Doctor's permanent death...
Technically the 12th Doctor's consciousness ages 4.6 billion years in the confession dial, whilst his body didn't age more than a few hours, he did live through all that time
Codo8 No, his memory also reset every time. Or else he would have went straight to the end and punched through rather than going through the whole process again.
@@locustboy8448 he got all the memorys whwn hw left the dial thats the wohle point of the dial
@@locustboy8448 theres a line that he says to Clara where he says that he remembers those 4.6 billion years AFTER he left the dial. Even though his mind and body didn't age, all those memories flooded back to him when he left. That's why Clara says that he looks haunted and depressed when she sees him for the first time after he leaves the dial.
There's also an 8th doctor audio adventure where he was stranded on a planet of jellyfish people where he lived for about 800 years
I think the 3rd Doctor actually lived longer than the 2nd Doctor did.
Because with the 2nd Doctor, he was never without a companion. Having Jamie along, the 2nd Doctor may only have lived for a few years and aged in real-time with Jamie.
However, the 3rd Doctor has a gap between 'The Green Death' and 'The Time Warrior' after Jo Grant leaves and Sarah Jane Smith joins. He has his TARDIS back, he's no longer Earthbound and he could have travelled for centuries between Season 10 and Season 11. The 2nd Doctor has no such gap.
Very good point! Between 2 and 3, and 8 and 9 it's just a theory fest, I'm just a sucker for the Series 6b theory and the 2nd Doctor with him returning in stories which can't be placed within his timeline, plus with his ageing never being explained. 🤔🤷♂️
The 2nd doctor has a gap with power of the daleks and highlanders as story's have been set there, so before Jamie
@@AaronBallvideos there is a gap but it can't be a long one since the 2nd Doctor is travelling with Ben and Polly who don't age much.
The Third Doctor said that his life covered "several thousand years" in the Silurians story
@@thewhoaddicts we know 1st regenerated at 300, we know 4th claims he was about 750. we know 2nd stated he was 450. so by season 5 2nd has lived at least 150 years. lets do the math. 750-300=450. 450-150=300, but 2nd had at least another season and we dont know of any gaps, so maybe another 50 years. making him about 500. there is evidence 3rd regenerated at 748, making him about 248, as opposed to 200, not that big a gap
It says in a book that supposedly the 8th Doctor lost track of his age so started again from his regeneration. It explains the new who ages nicely for me.
The war doctor was 800 when he regenerated so the 9th was 101 when he did. How did you get him as only 1?
Probably a miscount. When you're trying to calculate the age of someone over 3000 years old, it gets hard to keep track, but he did add an extra 100 to war, so none were removed.
And I mean none were removed, the confession dial doesn't count, as his body didn't age, and it's talking about the age of the many Doctors. Then adding them together to show the age of The Doctor entirely.
@@dominickeijzer5844 Because Eccleston's series was a continuous arc, on Earth within the year 2005, between 2 regenerations.
@@conscienceaginBlackadder, let's see... During the 50th Anniversary, 11 states "I'm around 1200", and War says "400 years older than me", or something like that. 1200 - 400 = 800. Then he goes back, saves Gallifrey and then regenerates, same way as the 1st Doctor, old age.
Then he meets Rose, clearly just after as he says "Look at the ears", indicating he hasn't seen the face before.
After he defeats the Nestene Consciousness, he goes away, in the TARDIS. This is the point we assume he does all those adventures, taking up 100 years. Eventually, he returns to Rose, just to say he can time travel.
That's how it adds up.
The theory I always went by as to why his 9th and 10th incarnation seemed to be younger than his 6th and 7th was just he wasn't always going by Earth years, probably using Gallifreyan years in the classic series, but your theory on him resetting his age as the War Doctor because he didn't consider himself part of the lineage also works really well
Personally, I really like the idea that the Russell era doctors were fleeting lives in the grand scheme of the Doctors' life. That whole era was mostly about healing from the trauma of the time war so it make sense these doctors would live very fast.
My head canon is that by the time of new Who, the Doctor bases his age from when he 'stole' the TARDIS since Eccleston's Doctor alternates between saying things along the lines of "900 years old" and "900 years of time travel"
I’m actually not too surprised that Tennant’s span was so short, he didn’t have many points where he travelled alone, so if he had a crazy lifespan his companions would’ve been pretty old
Its ironic that two of his longest lives (war and 8) are imediately followed by his shortest (9, 10) before being followed by his longest by far.
I actually did a video on this, but from what I could find, the 9th Doctor lived less than a century, 10th Doctor lived the least amount of time at 6 years and the 11th Doctor lived the most at 1,200 years.
what about 3 saying twice he's lived "several thousand years"
@@aikhis he was probably bluffing...rule 1
The overlapping companions from Ian + Barbara to Jamie, 2's Time Lord missions not exceeding Jamie's lifespan and after them he becomes 3 + instantly joins Unit's 1970s Earth timeline, then the overlapping companions or Unit characters from then to the summons to Gallifrey that ended Sarah's tenure. Adds up to that he can't age more than around 30 years from An Unearthly Child to The Deadly Assassin, 1 to 4. Again a few years from Full Circle to Peri's part of Trial of a Time Lord, 4 to 6.
this actually explains how the war doctor and 11 died from "old age" really, because they lived to that old age in that body.
"we're wearing a bit thin" "hope the ears are a bit less inconspicuous this time"
hehe
however, this age thing is thrown out of the window if you try and estimate the very total age with the previous incarnations before the doctor chose the name the doctor and fled Galifrey. Imagine adding all 3 together, the days before the doctor was the doctor, the days the doctor was the doctor, the days the doctor stopped being the doctor and then the days when the doctor became the doctor again.
Imagine reading all that above as a non whovian too X'D
But we did have that age. We started from the Doctor's birth to his first regeneration, at Age 450.
OK, the 12th Doctor spent 24 years with River. He then spent 70 years teaching at the University. And then the question of how long he was in the confession dial. My question is, how long did he travel with Clara? In other words, from "Deep Breath" to "Face the Raven". I hope they had a few years together.
The Doctor stayed stuck in the confession dial for over 2 billion years. 2 billion years is his final calculation for how long it would've taken to chip away at the diamond wall, factor in the amount of time it took him to figure out what to do during each cycle and you get the "over" 2 billion years.
The 12th Doctor has lived for over 2 billion years, but has his imprisonment in the confession dial, save for his last day when he escaped, thankfully deleted from his memory.
The 12th Doctor would be at the top of the list.
That's provided it was all real, and not a simulation of sorts, by the Dial, like Donna being in the Library, mind.
He was only basically awake a day at a time, whilst in the Dial - but it took many, many cycles, either way.
But let's say without that - about 100 years.
With maybe only 5 to 10, for Thirteen.@@kelmacett2456
I rewatched the episode recently the Doctor says over 2 billion years but Ohila High priestess of the sisterhood of Karn actually states over 4.5 billion years.
And the correction to my "deleted memory" comment is that he has duplicated himself for over 4.5 billion years. He lives the events of the episode and dies, using his death to power the creation of another duplicate and so on.
To me, I think that the 10th doctor had a much longer lifespan, since he was alone for so long, in between every series he was without a companion, so it stands to reason that he could have had a long period of time between each series.
Except that he keeps on telling people exactly how old he is. So there's no real gaps of more than a year or two unaccounted for.
@@xJavelin1 Except we know that the doctor doesn't know his age, he usually just picks a random number.
@@xJavelin1 Rule #1: The Doctor Lies
It's possible. But the 11th doctor said he is 907 years old in series 5. So tenth doctor died around 906.
@@bilguunmunkhbaatar6841 10th Doctor also straight up tells Wilf he's 906 so that checks out.
Theory: maybe a year on Gallifrey is much quicker than an Earth year, hence the big gaps 😂
Great vid :)
I mean that is also a good point as we don't know Gallifreys orbital position, yes habitable habitable zone but distance.
Also isn't it supposed to have a red dwarf being it's that old? If so yes you'd have to orbit alot closer therefore it be alot like Mercury.
Btw I loved the video! I wasn’t criticising, I was just curious if those years counted
No wonder 11 said he'd never forget when the Doctor was him: He had the longest life. (Maybe?)
There’s a Eighth Doctor novel called _Vampire Science,_ in which he said that he’s 1012 and last regenerated three years ago (in his timeline), saying that he was 1009 when he was shot in San Francisco. What you failed to mention is that he began to count his age from his most regeneration, now declaring himself as 3 years old. That solves the problem between Classic and NuWho age of the Doctor lining up more accurately.
The ninth as war was about 800 years in day of the doctor and regenerated in that episode I say it about 100 years.
“I’ll always remember when the doctor was me.”
I feel like it’s hard not to considering how long he lasted.
I reckon Series 1 takes place over 1 year, with another year to include spin-off material and 10 years prior to Rose, at least. Maybe even 50, assuming the War Doctor was rounding when he said he was 800 on the last day of his incarnation.
Of course that also suggests that the ninth doctor never managed to find a reflective surface of any kind for the first 50 earth years of his incarnation. Given Doctors 2-8 found one more or less immediately post-regeneration, that’s a big call to make about 9’s relative lack of vanity 🤣
Matt Dunn maybe he regenerated, met rose early on in his run, the events of rose fell into place, she declined his offer to travel with him. He then went and had years of adventures where you see pictures of jfk and the titanic story then went back for rose and told her about travelling in time. That could be why he’d never seen his reflection in rose but why he said he was 100 years older than the war doctor in aliens of London/world war three
VOOHOO yep that’s entirely possible. Interesting theory
@@tinascousin It is entirely possible he didnt look at his face in that time. He usually sees his new face outside Tardis means anyway and since it's a PTSD doctor he very well likely didnt want to look at his face
@@thehollow33 - yeah, in The Day if the Doctor novel he destroys any reflective service.
I imagine Eight having been one of the longest lived! He states hes >1000 in several books. Theres also points where he's stranded or imprisoned for ages at a time.
Did the 9th Doctor claim to be 900 years old before or after his time jump in between leaving Rose and picking her up at the end of the first episode? Because, if I remember correctly, that tiny gap includes entire adventures with multiple companions before he went back to grab Rose. Those adventures probably ended up adding several years to his life. Unfortunately, the same can't truly be said for the 10th. But who knows how long he was traveling after leaving Donna behind.
Why are you saying "who knows"? We know! Ten literally says he's 906 to Wilf right before he dies, meaning he lived an extra 2-3 years after leaving Donna and that's it.
@@HOTD108_ True enough, 10 still didn't get a lot of time to be.
The "I don't want to go" line actually makes sense now, because of how short 10s life was
I am so happy that my favourite Doctor is the longest-running.
Turns out the damn translator circuit forgot to convert Gallifreyan years to Earth years
Personally I would add a year on the tenth doctor because of the year he spent with the master in the sound of the drums (and maybe add some more because it seemed like he spent a few years during the specials and inbetween on his own)
And the ninth doctor had loads more bc in rose there was all those pics of his adventures before he met rose and he only commented on his ears in that ep bc he refused to look at his face for so long only looking at it after he met rose
one of the years the ten spent out of those 5 was with the masters, 2 were spent traveling then 1 with the master and then another 2 traveling
also if War was 400 years younger than eleven who was 1200 and soming that makes him 800 so nine lived 100 years
The 9th doctor lived for 101 years because the war doctor regenerates not long after he says to 11 he was 800 years old. This means that the 9th doctor lived 100 years of his life somewhere other than normal Earth time presumably the few seconds he leaves Rose before coming back and saying it is a time machine. So the 9th doctor was 800 when he met Rose in ROSE.
Update: 14 goes 4-6 hours before regenerating
Or maybe 12 or so... still, there is a kind of loophole.
Something I rarely see mentioned about this topic is something really fundamental- what is a year? A year means something to us, as humans, because it's the time it takes for the Earth to revolve around the sun. What does the Doctor count as a year? Maybe Gallifreyan years are shorter than Earth years, and after Gallifrey is destroyed in the time war, he chooses to make Earth his new home, and his age is modified to count in Earth years instead.
Even if we go with the War Doctor starting from scratch, nine must've been 100. Given that the War Doctor was 800 (math, he's 400 years younger than Smith when he's 1200), he says he's 900, ergo, Eccleston is 100.
The 12th Doctor went into hiding in a stasis chamber for about 140 years. Why does everyone keep forgetting about that?!
"Forgetting" = "telling you ten times to watch the video where he talks about this"?
When was this?
@@chunglebung8988 Series 9 episode 4. It's the underwater ghost episode
@@IsItLunchtimeYet-1 oh yeah
I'd highly recommend going through the Doctor's Age page on the Doctor Who wiki as it goes through all forms of media and gives very detailed accounts of each Doctor's age and how they count their age.
10:40 did he forget about the 4.5billion years when he was jailed in the confession dial, because the time lords wanted to know about the hybrid.
Look we all know the first doctor and all the doctors are still alive living in their own time streams...
My theory on why the 9th Doctor has only 1 year is that if he is straight out of the time war he might have a disregard to his own life and thus not be as careful as other Doctors. I mean he did just kill off his entire race (or so he thought). The 11th doctor may have lived for so long as he thought it was his final regeneration so any mortal injury would result in death as opposed to regeneration. I would certainly be a lot more careful if I was the 11th Doctor. The doctor does also say that he’s so old that he doesn’t remember if he’s lying about his age.
I really found this ranking fascinating! I can't believe the disparity between the longest and shortest-lived Doctors! The fourth-longest-lived doctor in your ranking lived longer than the bottom eight doctors put together. The third-longest-lived doctor in your ranking lived longer than the bottom nine doctors put together and the longest-lived doctor in your ranking lived longer than the bottom ten doctors put together. 😂
Crazy isnt it!
The doctor has said in the past that all his past incarnations live in his head to an extent, so I can imagine them all being seriously pissed at 10 for burning through two bodies in 5 years.
Id say the 13th Doctor has lived for a few months.
Peter Capaldi's doctor regardless of the number, lived the longest because he spent billions of years in the confession dial.
Now we can probably add the 14th Doctor having lived around 3 days
novelisation confirms that 14's lifespan was 15 hours (before the bigeneration)
@@oddgorl23 doesn't really make sense with everything that happened, as atleats 24 hours should have happened
Ah but you've forgotten Hell Bent. The 12th Dr mentions how long he had been going around in that loop knocking down the ice wall. 3rd Dr (according to Books) spent 10 years floating in space before landing back on earth to regenerate. Huge gaps for 3th Dr between Deadly Assassin & Face of Evil, Invasion of Time -Key to time 1st ep and getting lost in Espace before meeting Adric. Re 9th Dr... ha, he cld have had a bit longer as who's to say after leaving Rose, then popping back for her to join him, he could have had a year or two on his own (see Clives pictures). That said... this is a great post. Many thanks! Great food for thought.
this graph makes sense.
the doctor started out life, from 1 through 7 we see a decrease, 2 being perhaps more cautious, 3 4 5 6 7 living more recklessly, then 8 finds out about a prophecy or something i forgot the lore, and runs more then he has ever run before, the war doctor was there for the length of the timewar, it is often hinted at the fact he played more of an officer role and thus would have more protection, after its over ptsd hits and 9 and 10 are thrusted into other peoples lives harder then they ever have been before, its intoxicating but its how they cope, with 9 i doubt he even has a mere couple of adventures inbetween the ones we see with rose, the pictures he showed at the begining being his coping mechanisms before her, and thus he is dragged through the hell 'doctor' lifestyle more- where other incarnations have had time to just live, similarly 10 is the same, from one distructive companion to the next, but he finally has matured from the timewar, and thus 11 comes, thinking its his last, lives more, it is very obvious he has many an adventure inbetween what we see, even many without his companions, and so he lives the longest, but by miracle it wasnt his last, and 12 realises he has no idea how long he will last regeneration-wise so he lives like 3 through 7 again.
The 9th doctor had to at least have lasted a few decades as that is how long he spent getting back to rose in the audiobook the other side plus he traveled alone before he met rose which is when the pictures that clave had where taken.
Alex Bennett which audiobook is this sorry?
What was he doing when he checked jhis face in the mirror, then?
@@conscienceaginBlackadder Maybe he never noticed himself in reflections before seeing himself in the mirror?
Completely disagree about 9 only living one year.
Big finish and pictures of him having solo adventures like being on the titanic on the show itself, combined with the fact that his entire screen tenor was spent with Rose means he had to have spent time between the war Doctor and meeting Rose or between leaving Rose and coming back and convincing her. Or both!
50 years travelling on his own refusing to look in a mirror due to how much he hates himself. Then he finally decides to get a companion and look in a mirror. Rose refuses, so he spends another 50 years travelling alone. All the while not being able to get Rose out his head, so he decides to go back one more time to try and convince her.
Does 12’s stint in Heaven Sent not go towards how long he lived. I know it was groundhog day and reset but his character spent billions of years in the confession dial. I’ve always considered it to be the perfect retcon as to the Doctor’s age which (in my opinion) shouldn’t really matter to the plot and seemed to be a contentious point in canon. This is a very interesting piece of work though!
Yeah, wasn't he in there for 4 billion years or something?
World of Woodrow not really- it’s true a version of him was there for 4 billion years, but in story, he kept being reset regularly. If each Iteration was two days or so, it always ended with him burning his body up to refresh the teleport copy of him- a reset, and thus the last copy that actually escaped the confession dial would only be two days older from his point of view.
Antonio Tattooed by cats but he became aware of how long he had been there, it was covered in Hell Bent (forgettable I know) so therefor he theoretically would be that much older.
World of Woodrow I reckon it’s the difference between being in a coma for 5 days and using a tardis to skip the five days. Someone could tell you about the 5 days, but the question is about how long the doctor lived... discounting the third doctor’s “several thousand years” statement and the fourth’s aging in Leisure hive
Antonio Tattooed by cats I don’t know, he seemed pretty haunted by the fact. This is a question for Moffatt to answer I think. I’m genuinely intrigued now!
Personally, I always thought that each doctor only counted their own age, giving the Doctor a far longer life in general, which helps explain how he's seen so much of the universe. Any and all inconsistencies are explained by each Doctor beginning the count again, or gaps in their timeline we aren't aware of, such as how long the 9th Doctor travelled without Rose between her turning down his offer and him coming back for her. Even if this doesn't work perfectly, it might be the case for some of the Doctors and not others. I don't know. This was just always my headcannon
Well, 3 regenerated into 4 at the age of 748 as the Fourth Doctor states in _A Device of Death._
yet 4th clearly stated he went from 742 to 759 during his run (though Romana did remind him he missed a few years. so 748 to 780 is not a long time!
I like symmetry, so for me, the easiest explanation is that the 2nd and 3rd doctors lived about 150 years each. Giving them both the same amount of time, but also, this closes the 300 year gap nicely.
With The 12th Doctor being 2,100-2194, I'm gonna say The 13th Doctor is between 2,195 & 2,200. She could be older than that. I'd give her a nice even number. 3,000 years for 13. If she mentions her age at any point in time next series, we'll all find out for sure.
Wow, no wonder the 11th Doctor wanted to stay on Trenzalore. If you’re on your last life, and your last two went by tragically fast, it’d make sense to savor that as much as possible.
I love how they made someone like the Eleventh Doctor live for SOOOOOOOOOOO long so that means Matt Smith can return as the Eleventh Doctor during that long life span like during his time on Trenzalore!!! 💙💙
Not really, since 11 didn't have his TARDIS for 99% of that time, and even if he did I doubt the Doctor would abandon the town called Christmas. There's not really any room for 11 to have other adventures during that time.
Watching this after the 60th special. Guess 14th is only a couple of days
Easy. 14th was the shortest being only for 15 hours or so. 11th is the longest, staying on trenzalore. Arguement could be made for 12 in the confession dial but i dont think that counts
This proves it, we didn’t get nearly enough of the 9th doctor
I thought that Capaldi lived for around four and a half billion years as he was stuck in the confession dial
About 9
I disagree with 1 year assesment we saw different photographs of him in different eras before he offered Rose to travel with him and then returned saying "it can travel through time as well."
In my opinion he met Rose first then once Rose rejected him his TARDIS disappeared and he went on solo advantures Rose saw eirlier and THEN returned to the same spot and told her: "It can travel through time too."
So he lived far more than a single year, but I doubt it was a lot.
Absolutely Magnificent Video Matthew. It really puts it all in perspective with the 8th living hundreds of years but the 4th only living around 60 odd years. I truly respect your effort with research. In terms of thirteen’s age, I’d say she’s around 1-2 years old so far as there is a gap between resolution and Spyfall. Also it’s confirmed that Woman Who fell to Earth is set in September 2018, Resolution on January 1st 2019, and Spyfall during 2020, and with her seeking the master in series 12, that’s why I think she’s currently around 2 years old
The 𝗪𝐚𝐫𝐫𝐢𝐨𝐫 was 800 years old when he regenerated. 𝐍𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐡 departed from the cul-de-sac and lived a whole hundred years more, before returning to fetch Rose in the 2005 pilot.
Shouldn’t the Twelfth Doctor be the longest? He lived for billions of years according to Heaven Sent.
While I agree with your opinion, I think he took the point of view that his body was reset each time so it doesn’t count.
My understanding is that you should count the billions of years as that is how long he has been in existence , or start counting, from 0, from his last clone in Heaven sent, as it is the age of that specific body. What people are doing is counting the time the newest body of the doctor “remembers” being alive, which is the most inaccurate of the three.
@@murdochmccrum6024during the apdex he stayed aproximantely for 4.5 years i was about to say that by the bye
@Professeur donnatien I don't know, to me it counts as living billions of years.
I've heard a good theory that actually explains the switch in age backwards to the modern era. The Doctor in the classic era had his home of Gallifrey. During this time he uses Gallifreyan years as his basis for age. There year being slightly shorter than Earth's. Once his planet is destroyed in the Time War, he switches to Earth years as it becomes his new home. This explains his age number shrinking.
not true, 2nd specifically stated "in earth years about 450" so in classic era they WERE using earth years, when 3rd went into a rant and said he had been a scientist for several 1000 years he was using Gallifreyian years, then stopped because the earthlings wouldnt believe him. so 2nd 450, 4th about 750, 6th 900, 7th 956 at the beginning of his run. 8th AT LEAST 1000, war AT LEAST 500 as he went from a young to a mature, but not really old man, 9th about 100 (because if you accept modern eras bad maths 11th stated he was 1200 and war said 400 years less than you making him 800 but 9th specifically said 900, hence 100 years at least) 10th seems hell bent on being only 3 as he keeps stating his age from 903 to 906, 11th about 1200/1300 years being he specifically stated during his time he aged 300 years then spent at least 800 years on Trenzalore. 12th had "several decades" as a teacher then his 26 years "what a night" on derillium, so hes also about 100
But Earth was also his "home" for a fair amount of time during the 3rd Doctor era, when he was banished. For that matter, the 1st Doctor seemed to have intended to stay for a while, if only to provide a stable home environment for Susan (sort of like moving to the suburbs).
12:20 I think a few of your number are wrong
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12th doctor (100)
11th doctor (2,200)
8th doctor (900)
9th doctor possibly older
War doctor (900)
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Plus the 10,000 pre-1st doctor
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All the others are correct / I agree with you
7th doctor more like 57
10th doctor maybe 6
Also
The 9th doctor definitely lived more than 1-year in that body
1st doctor 450-years 1st set of 12
2nd doctor 250-years (1) ish
3rd doctor 50-years (2) ish
4th doctor 63-years (3)
5th doctor 87-years (4)
6th doctor 53-years (5)
7th doctor 57-years (6)
8th doctor 900-years (7)
War doctor 900-years (8)
9th doctor Unknown (9)
10th doctor 6-years (10)
11th doctor 1,293-years (11)
12th doctor 100-years (12)
List of people who might have lived a little longer
3rd doctor by 5+
4th doctor by 1-year max
7th doctor by 75+
8th doctor by 99-years-max
War doctor by 99-years-max
11th doctor by 99-years-max
You can fill in the missing info about #3 by watching S7 "Doctor Who and the Silurians" E6 -- but it'll mess up your timeline. 17 minutes in, he says he's been alive for several thousand years. If true, that would help make sense of "The Timeless Children" and the Morbius doctors, but messes up all the ages given in the rebooted series.
Rule #1: The Doctor lies. Even when it seems like he's telling the truth. These approximations are all based off of what he tells us.
In my opinion think 5 was, like 10 one of the shortest living doctors, he was never without his companions unlike 4 where 2 major leaps of time can occur (deadly assasin and his time with romana)
The Doctor has lived for so long i'm not sure she's 100% on her age.