Here's the thing though... You need a tight sound for drums. You need minimal reverb. You can add all the spatial qualities of a room after the fact in post-processing.
My favorite part is how we're talking about recording drums in small rooms, and THIS room isn't small, and I didn't hear one actual audio example. Brilliant!
Your missing the point. The room shown is what to strive for. It is an example of a goal to strive for. Get your drums out of the closet, so they can breath and transmit their energy full cycle. This is what the microphone hear. They want full cycle energy, not reflected distortion from the closet.
I think you are missing the point. I was simply pointing out the obvious. Anyway, the majority of people cannot afford a large room. Its not a matter of choice.
@@AcousticFields How do you explain all the legendary albums that were recorded in small rooms then? The majority of music is recorded in small rooms. The one you are showing is not small.
@@AcousticFields What's with this elitism? With your expertise, you should teach people how to get the best possible sound out of their less than ideal rooms. Not just tell us, "only large rooms for drums". We all know that great albums have been recorded in crappy rooms.
That room is not so small. By the way you can use very small rooms to record good drum sounds if the drummer is not a basher. Sometimes a song calls for a small room so there are no hard rules in music. Thank you for the interesting channel.
J, This is the problem with using signal processing today. Everything sounds the same. It is over processed and the music is lost to some electronic circuit.
@@AcousticFields Unfortunately, this is the current reality. But even in the digital domain (plugins or outboard devices), you can find unique and interesting-sounding solutions.
@@AcousticFields then use UAD processing and the Ocean Way studios drum room and you literally can re mic the entire sound in their room, circuitry, spaces and all. Done.
@@AcousticFields who the hell can afford such a room just for drums, sorry but you live in your own ivory tower. That video is not relatable at all for me.
I have a 2x2 meter soundproof room with a 2 meter ceiling in my garage 😅 also I put up a lot of carpet and covered them with black stage curtains... God know why when I'm recording drums sounds fine 🤷🏻♂️ maybe some black magic going on in the studio 🤔
Do you have anyone that's tried the QDA series on a drum set to get both low frequency absorption at the kick drum and diffusion around the rack toms and cymbals?
It would be nice to hear a before and after audio sample of a drummer playing with and without some QDA's surrounding the drum kit. See if you can add some sound samples to listen to. Anyone try the D/A units around a drum set? :-)
No one's worried about what the room sounds like at this point with digital effects.. I want to see you. Tell me how to use a 14x14 room to soundproof it. That's the biggest problem I have. I can make this room sound as big as I want after the fact with effects. It's not a problem.
It is best to manage all the acoustical issues within the analog domain (room treatment) and use processing (digital) to polish up the rest of the issues.
Room resolution is a balancing act between many variables. The size and volume of the room, the reverb times within the room, the amount of energy placed within the room to name just a few. Room volume is only one variable.
Ok I've got a spot in my basement that's 10ft by 12ft with a 7 ft ceiling that I'm closing off for my drums/studio. Now THAT'S small. I learned nothing
You learned your drums will need lots of treatment to manage the excess energy you will be placing within the room. Your room with its current dimensions and usage, will have more room distortion than drum sound. Unfortunately, to treat the issues, you will have to make the room physically smaller. Broadband low frequency management technology requires 12" of wall space.
@AcousticFields No... really? Maybe pointing out that people don't have access to high-end recording studios isn't what they want to hear. Instead of (very clearly) taking offense from the comments looking for advice, and responding with "13' minimum ceiling height", it might do you good to show some kindness and sympathy to the many people only with access to small rooms. 🤷♂️
This is ridiculous. You keep saying the same comment. Oh it's all about high ceilings. Yada yada that doesn't matter. I can make the room sound big with effects after I've already recorded the drums. This is not a helpful video.
You think you can make the room sound larger with digital effects. However, digital effects have their own sound. You are creating a different sound that does not match reality.
@@AcousticFields who wants real? Nothing you hear on a record is 'real'. Most people can't afford or have access to rooms of the size you're espousing and people just want PRACTICAL advice, not to be told not to try things.
@@jamielailey4594 Our data would disagee with your assumption. All of our clients ssek as much resolution as possible within their rooms. This is why they come to us. We are not practical when it comes to music presentaion value in small rooms.. Music is simply too important to use bandaids that dont work and in most cases do harm.
@@AcousticFields if you have a specific client base then that's great for you, but I doubt they're going to be sat on TH-cam looking for practical solutions to a problem they can hurl money and expertise at. Music is ACTUALLY too important to discourage people from trying something that could result in great end products - albeit with after-the-fact processing - because you're an elitist numpty telling people they should not attempt to record an instrument because their ceiling isn't high enough. It's disingenuous and insulting to good people trying to make the best of their situations. Maybe a smaller room is sub optimal/ requires treating and post production effects, but it's not HARMFUL. The data supplied by the comments you've received on this video would seem to agree with me. Sure, we all want the highest end clients as a badge of honour to our business, but when that's not possible, putting our minds to practical solutions to help aspiring musicians is probably more worthy than telling them not to bother, and that you've 'never heard of someone recording drums in a 2mx2m room'. Because many studios, even places like Blackbird or Rockfield, have small drum booths with lower ceilings that are well treated and used for a specific sound, so your assertion is actually not just disingenuous but factually wrong.
Everyone has their preference when it comes to drum sounds and tonal quality. We do not design rooms for electronic signal processing. We design for room resolution and use the electronics to polish up.
Bro that rooms huge
Drum rooms need to have high ceilings. The best sounding rooms for drums have ceiling heights that are 13' or higher.
Here's the thing though... You need a tight sound for drums. You need minimal reverb. You can add all the spatial qualities of a room after the fact in post-processing.
My favorite part is how we're talking about recording drums in small rooms, and THIS room isn't small, and I didn't hear one actual audio example. Brilliant!
Your missing the point. The room shown is what to strive for. It is an example of a goal to strive for. Get your drums out of the closet, so they can breath and transmit their energy full cycle. This is what the microphone hear. They want full cycle energy, not reflected distortion from the closet.
@@AcousticFields I understood your point perfectly.
That is not a small room 👀
S, You're missing the point. Small rooms are not for drums. Never have been never will be.
I think you are missing the point. I was simply pointing out the obvious. Anyway, the majority of people cannot afford a large room. Its not a matter of choice.
@@AcousticFields hold my beer
@@AcousticFields How do you explain all the legendary albums that were recorded in small rooms then? The majority of music is recorded in small rooms. The one you are showing is not small.
That's massive compared to the rooms I've recorded drums in.
This dude: "This room is too small"
Me about to cut an album in a barely treated basement: "Heh heh, drums go boom"
"Boom" is quantity not quality. Our mission is quality.
@@AcousticFields 😐😐😐😐😐
@@AcousticFields 😐😐😐😐😐
That is not a small room. That room is gigantic compared to the 11x11 room I’m working with.
S, You are missing the point. Larger rooms only for drums.
@@AcousticFields What's with this elitism? With your expertise, you should teach people how to get the best possible sound out of their less than ideal rooms. Not just tell us, "only large rooms for drums". We all know that great albums have been recorded in crappy rooms.
That room is not so small. By the way you can use very small rooms to record good drum sounds if the drummer is not a basher. Sometimes a song calls for a small room so there are no hard rules in music.
Thank you for the interesting channel.
Ceiling height is the most important dimension to consider for drum rooms, especially with overhead mics.
What if your just playing the drums casually and not recording In mics and stuff like that
You can not achieve a big drum sound in a small room. The laws of physics are aginst you.
Send your drum room mics to a good reverb device or plugin - you'll get a big drum sound. For example CLA often does it this way. It works. Trust me.
J, This is the problem with using signal processing today. Everything sounds the same. It is over processed and the music is lost to some electronic circuit.
@@AcousticFields Unfortunately, this is the current reality. But even in the digital domain (plugins or outboard devices), you can find unique and interesting-sounding solutions.
@@AcousticFields then use UAD processing and the Ocean Way studios drum room and you literally can re mic the entire sound in their room, circuitry, spaces and all. Done.
@@jenyamelnikoff3404 UAD OCEAN WAY STUDIOS. There you go. Game. Changer.
@@AcousticFields who the hell can afford such a room just for drums, sorry but you live in your own ivory tower. That video is not relatable at all for me.
I have a 2x2 meter soundproof room with a 2 meter ceiling in my garage 😅 also I put up a lot of carpet and covered them with black stage curtains... God know why when I'm recording drums sounds fine 🤷🏻♂️ maybe some black magic going on in the studio 🤔
Live drums in a 2 m x 2 m space. I have never heard of that.
@@AcousticFields your welcome 😉
Bigger than my whole apartment lol
S, With drum rooms its all about ceiling height. You can not get big drum sound or manage tone with low ceiling heights. Stay with 13' minimum.
@@AcousticFields with no choice, do you just recommend ultra close micing and gating?
@@AcousticFields Yes you can get big drum sounds. It's called post-processing. You add reverb you add room effects after the fact.
Is there a video of you about Echo Chambers? Is there a recommended size of an Echo Chamber.
We would have no need to design a structure like this. We see them everyday.
@@AcousticFields We as in, we people from the Abbey Road Studio?
Did you ever did a video about Echo Chambers? Does the size of an Echo Chamber matters?
We have no need to create that type of acoustical environment. I am thankful for that. Reverberation and its cousin echo drive me crazy.
@@AcousticFields haha ok
So do i fill up or try and increase the space in a small rooms for drums? ( i like punchy thumbing kick sound and really tight snare)
The room space determines the drum sound you get and the tonal balance you receive.
Do you have anyone that's tried the QDA series on a drum set to get both low frequency absorption at the kick drum and diffusion around the rack toms and cymbals?
O, Yes, we just sold 40 ACDA and 9 QDA - 17 to a studio in Washington. We will have video first of the year.
It would be nice to hear a before and after audio sample of a drummer playing with and without some QDA's surrounding the drum kit. See if you can add some sound samples to listen to.
Anyone try the D/A units around a drum set? :-)
No one's worried about what the room sounds like at this point with digital effects.. I want to see you. Tell me how to use a 14x14 room to soundproof it. That's the biggest problem I have. I can make this room sound as big as I want after the fact with effects. It's not a problem.
It is best to manage all the acoustical issues within the analog domain (room treatment) and use processing (digital) to polish up the rest of the issues.
Some Jazz clubs are even smaller than that room.
Room resolution is a balancing act between many variables. The size and volume of the room, the reverb times within the room, the amount of energy placed within the room to name just a few. Room volume is only one variable.
Ok I've got a spot in my basement that's 10ft by 12ft with a 7 ft ceiling that I'm closing off for my drums/studio. Now THAT'S small. I learned nothing
You learned your drums will need lots of treatment to manage the excess energy you will be placing within the room. Your room with its current dimensions and usage, will have more room distortion than drum sound. Unfortunately, to treat the issues, you will have to make the room physically smaller. Broadband low frequency management technology requires 12" of wall space.
bro my room is literally 10x10 feet 😫
Not a good volume and size for drums.
@AcousticFields No... really? Maybe pointing out that people don't have access to high-end recording studios isn't what they want to hear. Instead of (very clearly) taking offense from the comments looking for advice, and responding with "13' minimum ceiling height", it might do you good to show some kindness and sympathy to the many people only with access to small rooms. 🤷♂️
this room is massive
Large drum sound requires big room.
This is ridiculous. You keep saying the same comment. Oh it's all about high ceilings. Yada yada that doesn't matter. I can make the room sound big with effects after I've already recorded the drums. This is not a helpful video.
You think you can make the room sound larger with digital effects. However, digital effects have their own sound. You are creating a different sound that does not match reality.
@@AcousticFields who wants real? Nothing you hear on a record is 'real'. Most people can't afford or have access to rooms of the size you're espousing and people just want PRACTICAL advice, not to be told not to try things.
@@jamielailey4594 Our data would disagee with your assumption. All of our clients ssek as much resolution as possible within their rooms. This is why they come to us. We are not practical when it comes to music presentaion value in small rooms.. Music is simply too important to use bandaids that dont work and in most cases do harm.
@@AcousticFields if you have a specific client base then that's great for you, but I doubt they're going to be sat on TH-cam looking for practical solutions to a problem they can hurl money and expertise at.
Music is ACTUALLY too important to discourage people from trying something that could result in great end products - albeit with after-the-fact processing - because you're an elitist numpty telling people they should not attempt to record an instrument because their ceiling isn't high enough.
It's disingenuous and insulting to good people trying to make the best of their situations. Maybe a smaller room is sub optimal/ requires treating and post production effects, but it's not HARMFUL.
The data supplied by the comments you've received on this video would seem to agree with me.
Sure, we all want the highest end clients as a badge of honour to our business, but when that's not possible, putting our minds to practical solutions to help aspiring musicians is probably more worthy than telling them not to bother, and that you've 'never heard of someone recording drums in a 2mx2m room'. Because many studios, even places like Blackbird or Rockfield, have small drum booths with lower ceilings that are well treated and used for a specific sound, so your assertion is actually not just disingenuous but factually wrong.
Definitely not a small room
Plenty of room for vocals 😂
That room is huge...
What does that tell you?
Acoustic perfection takes away the character of drum recordings.
Nonsense. Room resolution aids in hearing the fundamentals along with all harmonic orders of all instruments.
That's a pretty large room. I'd rather drums recorded in a small dead room with added reverb over programed drums any day.
Everyone has their preference when it comes to drum sounds and tonal quality. We do not design rooms for electronic signal processing. We design for room resolution and use the electronics to polish up.
Not a small room
Stating the obvious adds no real value to the discussion. What did you learn from the video?
@@AcousticFields that you're not helpful