How to Asset Flip Irresponsibly | Design Delve

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  • In this episode of Design Delve J & Ludo attempt to make scratch by flipping assets.. it doesn't go well.
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    The Notebooks - Stray OST
    The Abyss - Hyper Light Drifter OST
    Checking In - Celeste OST
    Dirtmouth - Hollow Knight OST
    Little Goth - Celeste OST
    Hornet - Hollow Knight OST
    Resurrections - Celeste OST
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  • @DesignDelve
    @DesignDelve 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1079

    Thank you so much for watching gang! This episode was a big experiment so let me know below how you found it and what you would like to see in the future

    • @GayBearBro2
      @GayBearBro2 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      I loved it and look forward to episode 2. Is this meant to call out a certain terrible scam that was promoted as a game?

    • @ArchAngelLevon
      @ArchAngelLevon 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@GayBearBro2 This is a problem that's been happening since the 2012 Kickstarter Scam-Wars.
      It's not a call-out of any one particular scam, because there's a million with entire TH-cam channels dedicated to calling them out, exposing the amount of money spent on scam games.

    • @friedrice7
      @friedrice7 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Game looks pretty good. I couldn't find it on steam, what's the name?

    • @TennSeven
      @TennSeven 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@ArchAngelLevon Well, with the tongue-in-cheek "maybe we can even get Nvidia to promote it" comment I think he's calling out The Day Before, which scammed Nvidia into promoting the game before it released and everyone realized how terrible it is.

    • @anthonyscarfe4853
      @anthonyscarfe4853 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Very good. Obviously it still needs a title, setting and point, but those are for the future episodes. Lazy marketing could just call it “Z Nazi Bang” based on the what’s in the game. A lazy setting would just be somewhere in America. A lazy point would be to keep yourself alive. A few good gameplay shots tied together gives you the trailer and a good screenshot with a tag line gives you the poster.

  • @kyr58
    @kyr58 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1842

    Asset flips are not an issue because of the assets, it’s because the subtle details of level design and mechanical cohesion are lost in the mad dash towards release. The flipped assets are just the easiest way to tell at a glance that the game has no care put into it.

    • @Picilishous
      @Picilishous 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

      Whenever I've played free asset flips everything just feels off, I'm not sure what it its but it's just wrong.

    • @JUSTxK1LL1NGxT1M3
      @JUSTxK1LL1NGxT1M3 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

      THIS!!!! it shows that the devs either couldnt or wouldnt care about how uniform (in aesthetic or in mechanics) the final product would be when played or examined

    • @ty_teynium
      @ty_teynium 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Yeah, but it's not a problem when a big time AAA company does it. We'll just give it a name that's unique but familiar. We'll call it Final Fantasy XV.

    • @CheshireCad
      @CheshireCad 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

      As an example/counterexample, look at Only Up. The game is literally just a giant pile of countless thousands of assets, thrown nonsensically into the air in open defiance of both cohesion and gravity.
      And yet, it's obvious that every single object was placed with careful deliberacy, for both the gameplay and the aesthetics. The platforming is tight, as both a casual rage-bait game and a speedrun game, serving both of those completely contradictory styles perfectly. And the visual style leans into the absurd messiness, elevating the cluttered cacophony to a grand scale.
      Yeah, that's probably waxing a little too poetic for a rage-bait game with janky controls. But whatever that game is, it is the opposite of "lazy".

    • @Xfade81
      @Xfade81 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      yas we heard that in the video

  • @JamesTM
    @JamesTM 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1229

    What an incredibly savage takedown of one game in particular, without ever even saying its name. 😂

    • @DesignDelve
      @DesignDelve 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +54

      James gets it

    • @blaster915
      @blaster915 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Redfall?

    • @SheeplessNW6
      @SheeplessNW6 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +86

      I bet it won't even be a day before someone mentions the name in this thread.

    • @DoctorTheo
      @DoctorTheo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      ​@@blaster915 Nope

    • @FireFox64000000
      @FireFox64000000 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      ​@@SheeplessNW6 44 sec at the time of writing

  • @unavezms8167
    @unavezms8167 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +266

    "Is this because you want people to know you made it? Ludo i don't think you want that" gonna be my favourite quote of the year.

  • @Yalden_
    @Yalden_ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +807

    A DOG peer pressuring a person into making an asset flip for a quick buck is probably one of the funniest concepts I've seen, should be a skit or short movie

    • @Jeremyisthings
      @Jeremyisthings 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      Puppy needs her bones!

    • @calebmarmon1310
      @calebmarmon1310 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      Ludo is pretty mercenary.

    • @DefendYoungstown
      @DefendYoungstown 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      The Dog Before

    • @icantthinkofaname987
      @icantthinkofaname987 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      bit like the oppawsit of wallace and gromit

    • @magma2050
      @magma2050 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Or a.... game? 😁

  • @RoboLamp
    @RoboLamp 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +153

    There's nothing wrong with condiments, even if you didn't make them, but if you add all of them that you can fit on a single slice of bread with NO culinary experience or intent for flavor, that's when you've made an Early Access Sandwich.

    • @AshAsmodeus
      @AshAsmodeus 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I hate how people equate asset flips with early access..... BOTH can be used for good purposes but one has little to do with the other. The fact scummy/lazy devs use asset flips speaks to THEIR nature and not the assets just like how they'll use the EA-label to hide behind their own laziness/scummy behaviour and in doing so give both a bad name and the illusion that they somehow equate where the only thing that is similar between them is usually the intention and/or motivation of the dev....
      Good devs will make good games regardless of the assets they use...
      Meanwhile lazy and scummy devs will keep use glorious assets to make a turd sandwich

  • @MariaVosa
    @MariaVosa 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +249

    Ludo is the game developer we deserve right now (but definitely not the one we need)!
    I absolutely lost it at the "bang bang" sound. It was glorious! I demand you put it into your next game as an easter egg 😂

    • @captainnurbles9169
      @captainnurbles9169 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Timesplitters: Future Perfect had human-voiced foley as an unlockable Easter egg. First thing that came to my mind lol

    • @Roccondil
      @Roccondil 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@captainnurbles9169 Didn't the first Dead Space also do that as well, on top of using a foam #1 Fan! hand?

  • @mikufaq5341
    @mikufaq5341 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +189

    One TH-camr called Wolfie(also known as HarshlyCritical) was on adventure of playing almost any horror game there is on steam. And for the VAST majority of them asset fliping was... almost a staple. One fifth of those were using the same house that came free with unity, so some of his videos were "Oh hey, it's this house! I wonder what's in the basement this time?". There WERE some intresting games that were using assets, and when they came up, he was really joyous.

    • @BodySprayMan
      @BodySprayMan 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Oh hell yeah, a fellow John Wolfe fan!
      Loved this archnemesis of Residential House and then having people do a Game Jam using that assest

    • @THExRISER
      @THExRISER 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      At the time it was Unity horror games.
      Now it's Unreal realistic shooters.
      Different engine, same phenomenon.

    • @parkerdixon-word6295
      @parkerdixon-word6295 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      For a similar series based on watching people play hot garbage and asset flips, Loading Ready Run does a series called "Watch and Play" because the premise is that one of the hosts is inflicting these terrible games on the other.
      They make clipping out of the map a goal whenever they can manage it.

    • @THExRISER
      @THExRISER 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@parkerdixon-word6295 That sounds like a fun series, I'll check it out now, thank you!

  • @highdefiler
    @highdefiler 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +72

    1:51 I love the little touch of Ludo kicking dirt on unity.

    • @legomaniac213
      @legomaniac213 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      I don't think that was dirt...

    • @Vilamus
      @Vilamus 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Ludo's paws were still...that was not dirt...

    • @FO18L
      @FO18L 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@legomaniac213 ​ @Vilamus the dirt was kicked because that's what dogs do after what you saw on the untiy logo 😁

    • @AB-fh9zh
      @AB-fh9zh 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Best boy.

  • @naanbred2735
    @naanbred2735 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +85

    The best thing about the release of The Day Before is that we get all these videos breaking down the entire catastrophe surrounding it and how it played out.

  • @megaing1322
    @megaing1322 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +132

    The problem with asset flipping isn't the "assets" part, it's the "flipping" part: If your goal is to make a game as fast as possible with as little work as possible, it's never going to be good. This is the problem. Your game could be 100% bought assets, as long as they fit together nicely and there is attention to detail, I don't think anyone is going to call it an "asset flip", because most people wont notice. It's a problem the moment someone who hasn't looked at the source code/development cycle notices and calls it an "asset flip".

    • @bloodywilliam3083
      @bloodywilliam3083 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      How does this apply to games made with RPGMaker, whose assets are VERY recognizable?

    • @megaing1322
      @megaing1322 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      @@bloodywilliam3083 Ofcourse it depends on the exact situation. I personally have never seen an asset flip in RPGMaker, but I would also expect games made in RPGMaker to have a different focus than the most normal assets flip. You are not gonna make a first person zombie shooter in RPGMaker.

    • @nendymion
      @nendymion 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@bloodywilliam3083 I really wouldn't call RPG Maker games asset flips. Rather i'd classify it as a particular style that makes it easy to tell if a game was made using that engine. They do have a kind of asset store where you can purchase various assets for the game you want, but they usually come as tile sets instead of entire premade levels. There are developers that do create their own assets for that engine too but it will still carry the signature style that makes it recognizable as an RPG maker game.

    • @AegixDrakan
      @AegixDrakan 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@bloodywilliam3083 Unfortunately, those of us who use the engine are already stigmatized for a whole lot of other things, so there's no winning for us anyway. XD

    • @bloodywilliam3083
      @bloodywilliam3083 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@nendymion the game does come with some premade areas, so all you would need is to connect them together with transitions. There are also quick events, which can be created by pressing control plus a number.

  • @meghanhenderson6682
    @meghanhenderson6682 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

    The gun sound effect just being "Bang" could be a great start to turning the whole thing into a comedy game. You'd have to do different lighting, and I don't think those are the best zombies for it, but it gave me a giggle.

    • @Halosty45
      @Halosty45 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah you could totally work from that

    • @KusacUK
      @KusacUK 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Absolutely the right zombies. Comedy Nazi zombies - ever seen Dead Snow?

    • @arcanum3000
      @arcanum3000 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Anyone remember the Deadpool video game from 2013? I think both the "Bang" weapon sound effects and asset flipping in general would work great as gags in a sequel.

  • @TheGenghisjuan
    @TheGenghisjuan 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +161

    Fantastic video. I didn’t realize how easy it was to cobble something like that together for free and it’s scary how similar it looks to a lot of the genre out there.

    • @pharoahcaraboo9610
      @pharoahcaraboo9610 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ikr, ive used mixamo before to help me put bones on a ripped game model so i could use it in clip studio paint as an art figure but yeah it does make sense it gets used for asset flips too.

  • @benverschoor6521
    @benverschoor6521 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +80

    Seeing Mixamo, Unreal Engine, and asset packs back to back really highlights the double-edged sword of more accessible game dev tools. On the one hand anyone can make a game, but on the other hand *anyone* can make a game

    • @Oscar97o
      @Oscar97o 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      The fact that anyone can make a game is great, the issue is that people can then sell said game and that people will buy it. Well, at least they get refunded in the end, so the only losers there are the people who sold it.

    • @neoqwerty
      @neoqwerty 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@Oscar97o You forgot to account for damage to the engine "brand".
      See: RPG Maker getting a bad rep for crap games outside the very niche indie horror genre and the high-value translated Japanese games, Scratch games being considered a wasteland of amateur child devs' really crap projects, the old meme that every bad 3D game was an Unity asset flip that tarnished the platform and festered in Steam Greenlight for a while...
      Some of those have recovered, but it's taken nearly a DECADE to weather the bad rep the engines' accessibility got because the ratio of trash to treasure was so skewed.

    • @GameDevYal
      @GameDevYal 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      As someone put it, "every good RPG maker game is good DESPITE it, not THANKS TO it". For people that know how to code, it's famously inflexible and it's a massive pain trying to do something custom that's not a Dragon Quest clone, and the big codebase rewrites (it switching from Ruby to Javascript to whatever language it runs on now) didn't help, making all old script assets unusable so you were back to square one.

    • @Gigaheart
      @Gigaheart 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      This is the double edge sword with level design tools in your favorite games, too. Not everyone is creative and skilled enough to make good things.

    • @blackbelt352-dd
      @blackbelt352-dd 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@neoqwerty And its really only in recent years that Unity started to get better public perception then absolutely shit the bed with it's attempt at it's new monetization model that nobody could agree on how it worked.

  • @CShrug
    @CShrug 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    We have (allegedly) "The Day Prior" to Thank for this Informative, Educational and Enlightening Experience.
    My Motto: NEVER Stop Learning.

  • @thomasgiles2876
    @thomasgiles2876 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +634

    Make sure to make it incredibly broken and offensive so Stephanie plays it.

    • @nicolasjamo
      @nicolasjamo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

      I enjoyed the whole Digital Homicide debacle, in retrospect.

    • @jamesboyle6134
      @jamesboyle6134 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      I actually bought and played "The Slaughtering Grounds" for a review in my university newspaper. Had a good laugh showing my friends just how awful it was.

    • @MedievalGenie
      @MedievalGenie 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      @@jamesboyle6134 Therefore it became profitable and now there will be more of them.

    • @TheBlueArmageddon
      @TheBlueArmageddon 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      @@MedievalGenie It did not

    • @Ratstail91
      @Ratstail91 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      How is "Stephanie fucking Sterling, Son" these days?

  • @madness1931
    @madness1931 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +145

    Asset flipping is absolutely fine (HOLD ON), so long as the pieces fit together properly. Fitting aesthetically, narratively, and of course, on a gameplay level. It also helps if at least one person has a vision of what they expect the final product, to look like. Lastly, to be called a game, it needs a failure state, and/or a form of progression. There has been some decent games, made from nothing but those pre-made assets. Just look at some game-jams. Some development studios also do semi-regular game-jams, which is kinda cool, and helps the creative juices.

    • @erinfinn2273
      @erinfinn2273 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      @@Mernom I see asset use in game design like scrap metal artwork. You can't just weld a buncha crap together willy-nilly and call it "art". There needs to be effort put into what pieces you use, how they are affixed together, and you should probably modify/clean up the pieces first.

    • @MaakaSakuranbo
      @MaakaSakuranbo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      @@erinfinn2273 the point is that it isn't an "asset flip" if you take effort to make it work well. Asset flipping is sticking together a bunch of asset packs and releasing some barely functional - if at all game with a mishmash of stuff that doesn't fit together.

    • @VeraTheTabbynx
      @VeraTheTabbynx 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      Working to make a cohesive whole is not asset flipping. Asset flipping is just hurling a pile of shit together and shipping it as fast as possible, that's what makes it a flip. They just buy assets, stick them together, and flip them like a really cheap real estate agent going into a fucked up house and putting up new wallpaper over the black mold to sell for a profit. Using stock assets and carefully selecting them to fit together and altering ones that don't to make something that feels complete is a perfectly viable business, not a flip

    • @aria5614
      @aria5614 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lixian's cleaning game springs to mind as an asset flip done well

    • @aerodroo
      @aerodroo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Elden Ring had store-bought assets in the game, it's just they were so high quality and well-designed for a souls-like that people had no idea and were even trying to incorporate glyphs found on that asset into secret ER lore. Even Vaati has a section on it in one of his videos. (edit: I should add he knew and explained as much, before anyone comes for me lol)

  • @Motoboy507
    @Motoboy507 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +297

    You don't need to raise the cow and chicken for the milk and eggs, farm the wheat for the flour, or harvest the cane for the sugar. You just have to make a cake.

    • @cecilkorik
      @cecilkorik 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +119

      And the inverse of that analogy is also true. Dumping milk, eggs, flour and sugar in a cake pan and putting it in the oven doesn't make a cake. Relevant to asset flips: smashing a bunch of assets together and then marketing it doesn't create a game, it's just a bunch of assets smashed together marketed as a game. Making games is hard, and the assets are not the only hard part.

    • @neoqwerty
      @neoqwerty 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +57

      @@cecilkorik And putting a cake you purchased from someone else in a different box after you squiggled a name on the icing does not count as baking the cake either.

    • @Kmosely42
      @Kmosely42 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      What's even worse is when the chef gets mad at you for critiquing them when they haven't even cooked anything.

    • @chaim1842
      @chaim1842 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Okay, i have amde a universe, whatt do i do next?

    • @douglaswolfen7820
      @douglaswolfen7820 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@chaim1842Carl Sagan reference?

  • @bertramjensen188
    @bertramjensen188 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    "Press the Any key" Incredible

    • @guguy00
      @guguy00 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Goat Simulator had that on the title screen

  • @JesseDCrespo
    @JesseDCrespo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +182

    Asset flipping is like sampling music, you got your Daft Punks and you've got your Pitbulls

    • @spinyslasher6586
      @spinyslasher6586 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Atleast Pitbull got money and fame while doing it.

    • @TheBlueArmageddon
      @TheBlueArmageddon 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Or worse... David Guetta

    • @joshuatealeaves
      @joshuatealeaves 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Your Avalanches & your Vanilla Ices

    • @neoqwerty
      @neoqwerty 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@spinyslasher6586 who's pitbull?
      No, seriously, I dunno who Pitbull is. I may not know Daft Punk's real names, but I can at least name a whole album from them and three songs off the cuff.

    • @manonthelivingroad
      @manonthelivingroad 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@neoqwerty pitbull is a latin american rapper that says "mami" every two or three words, sorry to be this broad

  • @Hex_Crashmania
    @Hex_Crashmania 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    Fully ramblomatic and design delve are my favorite series rn!

  • @probablypragmatic6893
    @probablypragmatic6893 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +131

    Wow I love this.
    It does 3 things really well;
    1) Shows how easy it is to start making a dumb game for your friends to screw around with
    2) Shows how much stuff you can grab for assets, way more than I ever thought about
    3) Shits on one of the best examples of a broken game I've ever seen.
    I cant wait for part 2

    • @formorian5
      @formorian5 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      This is the third comment I've seen mentioning dunking on a specific game without naming it.
      Would you enlighten me?

    • @SharienGaming
      @SharienGaming 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      @@formorian5 im suspecting its about the day before

    • @probablypragmatic6893
      @probablypragmatic6893 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      @formorian5 the game "The Day Before" was an extremely hyped game that was essentially just an asset flip shell. There's a great "Cold Take" on it from this same channel.
      A lot of the jokes (no vaulting, mismatched animations, sponsorship by NVIDIA, etc.) directly tie to it

    • @formorian5
      @formorian5 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@probablypragmatic6893 ah, THAT one. Thank you, I've seen the Cold Take video but otherwise only know of it as being really bad and likely a scam, not the specifics being mocked here.

    • @ystacalden
      @ystacalden 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      @@formorian5The way they never mention "The Day Before" but kept showing clips from the most recent trailer was subtle but perfect.

  • @justinbuergi9867
    @justinbuergi9867 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    I should make this assigned watching for my game dev students lol
    You’d be amazed what they try to get away with. One student turned in a one week solo project that would’ve taken a large team an entire month or two to complete

    • @JUSTxK1LL1NGxT1M3
      @JUSTxK1LL1NGxT1M3 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      wait huh? is it possible to elaborate???

    • @justinbuergi9867
      @justinbuergi9867 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@JUSTxK1LL1NGxT1M3 i forget what the theme for the week was but he turned in this massive action adventure game with multiple detailed enemies, all of which had their own unique animations. And it even had a freaking inventory system and crafting menu.
      And this was from a student who’s regular team made the worst games in the class every week and put in almost no effort

    • @Th3BadThing
      @Th3BadThing 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Both design delve and Yahtzs "Dev Diary" series would be great for learning purposes imo

    • @akl2k7
      @akl2k7 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@justinbuergi9867 Sounds like plagiarism to me.

    • @JUSTxK1LL1NGxT1M3
      @JUSTxK1LL1NGxT1M3 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@justinbuergi9867 wow....yeah thats um. Pretty obvious its a asset flip!

  • @AesirSW
    @AesirSW 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    As others here have mentioned, it's not exactly a matter of the assets themselves but rather the lack of effort when it comes to making everything work. They also make good placeholders so you can provide a proof of concept when you may still need a team for art design, modeling or animation. The issue comes in using everything out of the box then just selling it.

  • @yawmanr
    @yawmanr 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Ludo dumping on Unity was a good touch

  • @Mossdeep5464
    @Mossdeep5464 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    Honestly it comes down to the original intent of the usage of the asset and the vision of the designer. If they are creating a deep mechanical game and need visual representation and just works, then assets are great. If they need basic gameplay mechanics so they can tell stories and change the assets as the game progresses, assets from the store are great. If they are making a multiplayer game and are focusing extremely hard on the net code it makes sense to use the assets, but all of these examples the assets aren't the final product, they are placeholders for the final product. At least in theory, but it isn't used by larger companies that way anymore it seems.

  • @marioxdc123
    @marioxdc123 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Ludo did develop really well into a character, clearly she is the main character of the series now

  • @cleotasberkley9048
    @cleotasberkley9048 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    I think there's this magical, fuzzy line between a game where you can't tell they used pre-bought assets and a game where they just gave up an hour into development and just wanted to make a quick buck. You start to notice the fuzzy line whenever you see things that clearly don't belong in the game, when the quality between the trailer and the gameplay is massively reduced, and when the shop starts deleting every review that points out what they're doing.

  • @KeenanBaker
    @KeenanBaker 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    This was a fntastic look at how, a day before release, a game can be thrown together.

  • @TheRogueWolf
    @TheRogueWolf 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I think that cohesiveness in style is a pretty strong bellwether as to whether or not something is an asset flip. If you have a zombie survival game set in a modern American city full of Nazi zombies with a fully-automatic AK-47 leaning on the TV stand in every other house on the street, and the kitchens have cabinets full of an English brand of crisps, then you've probably got something that was thrown together without any care as to whether or not it "worked" on a stylistic level.

    • @KevinPhilipsBong1
      @KevinPhilipsBong1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Sure but having Walkers brand crisps in a zombie game is funny enough that you can keep my $1.20

  • @joshfloyd691
    @joshfloyd691 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    In my opinion, the problem comes when assets are used without a plan on how they will come together. Like cooking, you dont have to make everything from scratch, but you have to know how to tie it all together.

  • @amberblackwell5614
    @amberblackwell5614 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I am going to cite Stephanie Sterling on this one. "Talent is an asset." You can use premade pieces but you must put something of yourself in them. Break them apart and put them back together in new and thoughtful ways, blend them together with your own work, things like that.

  • @lucasportasio
    @lucasportasio 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    i do wonder what the best possible asset flip would be like

    • @RorikH
      @RorikH 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      If the assets are re-used from earlier games instead of bought from a store, New Vegas and Majora's Mask are solid contenders.

  • @Slinaro
    @Slinaro 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I thought of a broken metaphor to explain the difference between using marketplace assets responsively and creating an asset-flip :
    Using marketplace assets is like adding a mod to Minecraft that add blocks to the world. Good, these blocks now exist, but you still have to gather them and build your house with them, which can lead to very good building down the line.
    On the other hand, making an asset-flip would be the equivalent of just downloading a Minecraft map made to showcase the content of a mod, changing two blocks, adding more mods that conflict with one another and presenting the final mess as your own creation.

  • @deadcard13
    @deadcard13 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    "Have you been taking producer pills?"
    Perfect, no notes.

  • @roundishwhale
    @roundishwhale 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    "Have you been eating producer pills" is such a wild sentence xD
    But very much on point, looking forward to the next episode on this one.

  • @absolutelyscrumptious7552
    @absolutelyscrumptious7552 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Design delve has become my favourite segment next to "Totally not Zero Puncuation, trust me"

  • @TheShadowNovus
    @TheShadowNovus 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    There's something cathartic about watching all my favorite content creators who cover games just completely tearing apart The Day Before with varying flavors of creativity. This might be one of my favorite ones yet :D

  • @Foervraengd
    @Foervraengd 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Imo, pre-made assets are most useful for background fill, but it shouldn't be used for key elements that defines the game. Like if your game is aimed at a specific crowd, said crowd will definitely tell if you have cut around the corners on the one niche thing they are obsessed with.
    I occasionally watch videos about horse games - there is actually a pretty active horse gaming crowd - and I sometimes see ppl rant about how they can tell when someone has used a premade horse-rig asset, because those assets make horse legs bend unnaturally. And if there's something horse ppl know, it is how horse anatomy works.

  • @Lastkoss
    @Lastkoss 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    At first I would say the scam would be making promises and not following through. But after seeing this video I am not sure. Thanks for the for of thought JM8.

  • @YorkJonhson
    @YorkJonhson 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The sound effects pack being someone just flatly yelling, "BANG," had me rolling.

  • @joshuaworden274
    @joshuaworden274 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    For a long time I thought of asset packs as being a lazy, easy-way-out choice that diminished a game's appeal, but Vampire Survivors really changed my point of view. Rather than just trying to cobble something together without doing any real work, the designer started with the a gameplay idea already functioning on a basic level, and then stuck some generic assets in there to get it up and working immediately. It was quick and dirty, but it helped him see the appeal right away and showed that he had found something worth expanding upon. Plus, when he released the original version of the game on Steam, he priced it in a way that acknowledged the shortcuts he had used on the presentation side. It showed me that asset packs can be a great tool if used in the service of a real idea, and without the intention to rip anybody off.

  • @Humanesheild
    @Humanesheild 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Great video! As an electrical engineer we all so deal with this same issue. To build something from the ground up can be costly, time consuming, and by the time you’re almost done you find out that some other company has a product that does exactly what you need. It is far more common to find pre existing off the shelf parts that can be made to what we need done with a bit of tweaking. For me the difference Good and garbage for an asset flip is the intent and planning from the beginning. If you plan your budget, tone, and time something good maybe even great can come from it, where on the other-hand you pull a Ludo and smash together incompatible assets and mechanics and you have just created a hot steaming shite sandwich that cools fast, and a Cold Shite sandwich tastes worse.
    Again great video and besides Ludo being a crap game designer he’s a good Boy!

    • @Delmworks
      @Delmworks 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Plus, art benefits from uniqueness in a way repair and maintenance doesn’t. No-one is going to care if you kitbash the behind-the-scene wires if it works

  • @VikingRobotNinja
    @VikingRobotNinja 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Those gun sounds had me 💀

  • @nonspiderweb
    @nonspiderweb 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    "Explain yourself!? ... God your cute, whatever!"
    🤣EVERY pet owner has had some variation of that dialog exchange in their life. Even some parents.

  • @dfgdfg_
    @dfgdfg_ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I thought the dog would be a gimmick but everything it talks to you I smiled

  • @melancholyentertainment
    @melancholyentertainment 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    J: “Explain yourself…”
    Ludo: “🥺”

  • @lostozian_turandot
    @lostozian_turandot 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    My main take-away here is we need to support the Second Wind team to save Ludo and J-M8 from having to design asset flip games to EAT!!! GET THAD PUPPY A SAUSAGE ROLL!!!!!!!

    • @DesignDelve
      @DesignDelve 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ... thank you so much for the sausage roll gift

  • @casul2025
    @casul2025 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I misread the title and thought it said "how to asset flip responsibly," so when you started making the day before I was very confused

  • @Sturmjaeger
    @Sturmjaeger 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I will happily salute the Ludo flag!

  • @max_208
    @max_208 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Very different from the usual design delve episode but i really liked it, looking forward to the next one

  • @jamois
    @jamois 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is fantastic. I have no practical experience, but just browsing assets and toying with basic tools gave me the impression that with even a little know how you can throw a piece of garbage together in no time flat. And you proved it!

  • @pneumaticpterodactyl4015
    @pneumaticpterodactyl4015 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Some interesting games to look at for this discussion are Getting Over it and Celestial Hacker Girl Jessica. Both made completely with store bought assets and really simple mechanics, but they're pretty good.
    I think a big part of it is that the genres they're in are relatively unpopular, so it's clear from the audiences perspective that they're not trying to get a lot of money. Also, they both have a pretty cohesive artistic vision, so you can still get the feeling that the game was created with care and attention to detail.

    • @BanditLeader
      @BanditLeader 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      An even better example is to look at phasmophobia. Things went full circle with it.
      They started out using free/paid assets. But over time they gradually replaced those assets with their own self-made assets. And now everyone is making an asset flip phasmophobialike

  • @majormoron605
    @majormoron605 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The Day Before is turning into a great source of content for so many game journalists. So at least some good came from it

  • @manonthelivingroad
    @manonthelivingroad 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    as a sound designer myself, gotta love ludo's barking sound

  • @Brighton24601
    @Brighton24601 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love that the final shot had a zombie doing the thriller dance on the background, hahahaha

  • @ryell0913
    @ryell0913 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    This was so awesome to see. Can't imagine any studio actually doing this though.......

    • @SurrealLeaf
      @SurrealLeaf 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Probably not any self-respecting studio. Tho steam is full of those and they call themselves "studio". And sadly, when kickstarter was THE thing you could see so many mess of games that were asset flips, but that was during the era where people "couldnt tell". Which was also really sad because people fell for them on premise "it looks so good" and "look at those graphics! ofc gameplay is janky its alpha!" aaand eventually looked 10 times worse and ran at 15 fps. If it ever came out..

    • @ystacalden
      @ystacalden 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Hope that's sarcasm, given the way there were subtle clips of the same game running throughout the episode 😂

  • @pyrokar1990
    @pyrokar1990 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love how no title is mentioned, but everyone knows what it's about

  • @matthewthedark6013
    @matthewthedark6013 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Assets like these are like applying glue, there's a very real difference made between something being very smoothly glued on vs something being clearly made of 90% glue. I feel it depends on how easily you can see the seams so to speak. If I can't tell/don't notice when you use an asset that wasn't made by you, then hey, mission accomplished. You clearly put in work to make sure you presented a coherent whole. But asset flips typically just throw whatever was free in together, regardless of if it fits together, if they work properly, if it's bug free, or heck, even if it's got a matching art style.
    To return to the glue analogy, there's a difference between something looking constructed and something looking like you glued whatever was in the room together.

  • @kevadu
    @kevadu 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Using assets like this is honestly a pretty great way for a newbie to get started in game design.
    ...just don't try to *sell* it. It's a learning project.

  • @yazman4040
    @yazman4040 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    One man's bag of sand is another man's stained glass window, just a matter of how the medium is used.

  • @JosephFitts
    @JosephFitts 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just want to say, supreme kudos to the writer that's doing all the bracket subtitles for all the videos. They're all hilarious!

  • @Warclam
    @Warclam 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The "BANG-ang! BANG-ang!" absolutely slayed me.

  • @legomaniac213
    @legomaniac213 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Asset flips can work well when used in two major circumstances. First, if the assets are used merely as the framework/skeleton that the final art style goes over. Second, when they're used for minor background elements instead of the major parts of the game (i.e. using pre-bought shrubs or something while the characters and major locations are your own design).

  • @JackFoz454
    @JackFoz454 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was awesome! Easily one of my favourite Design Delve episodes so far. The new format added a lot.

  • @lewis1423
    @lewis1423 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    i feel the major difference between an assets flip and just useing assets comes with creativity elsewhere. bassically it boils down to what the dev is uniquely bringing to the table, whether it be a mechanic, or a story ,map design, game play loop, or even simply a super polished experience, but you should be able to look and say this aspect is what the developer was passionate to make, and the rest is supporting that idea. if you cannot distinctly point it out then its likely an asset flip (and in some cases just new/ bad devs)

  • @ATakTakTak
    @ATakTakTak 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wow, I can't believe making a game is so easy! Thanks doggy!

  • @MarushiaDark316
    @MarushiaDark316 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Three main problems I see with asset flipping are:
    1. When assets don't fit together with each other, usually because they're made by different people
    2. When you don't know how to use the asset to integrate with other aspects of your game (either because it's above your skill level or the documentation is opaque)
    3. When you start getting a lot of games that all use the same assets (such as Synty Pack) and it becomes really obvious that it's just an asset flip.
    None of these are inherently insurmountable, but it takes more work to do it. Assets are also perfectly fine for prototyping so you have something to work with.

  • @GuardianT1
    @GuardianT1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Another really educational video! Really loving design delve and look forward to the next part.

  • @aventus1177
    @aventus1177 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I found this a fascinating look behind the curtain into a marketplace I barely knew existed

  • @zencowboy23
    @zencowboy23 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    "A dog is not a mechanic". Wrong. Being able to pet the goodest of boys in a game is one of the most important mechanics there is.

  • @GaboJ28
    @GaboJ28 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love these videos, specially Ludo. Thanks for creating great content. I had a great laugh with all the asset flip examples in this video.

  • @MadDgtl
    @MadDgtl 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    i feel like this series has really found its voice as of late and is much better off for it, i also like the celeste music

  • @endlessmitch9663
    @endlessmitch9663 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love the peak behind the curtain kind of videos. Excellent job explaining it to a simpleton like myself.

  • @blackamaterasuflame
    @blackamaterasuflame 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Very much looking forward to the rest of the series

  • @jonathanrobles7377
    @jonathanrobles7377 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ludo doing his best Jason Welge impression.
    For context, he's a prominent asset flipper on steam. The lead(maybe only) developer on games such as Time Rammeside and X 23 among others. LoadingReadyRun's Watch and Play streams catalog many of his games to be ultra long developments only to end up being something worth watching if you're into design. The Thriller Zombie brought back flashbacks to a moment in particular I thought I've forgotten about.

  • @lanecolvin95
    @lanecolvin95 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love the fact you are killing it on y'alls own

  • @paulrus-keaton439
    @paulrus-keaton439 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Stephanie Sterling has entered the chat.
    With her wrestling outfit.

  • @zombiegandhi8405
    @zombiegandhi8405 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I really liked the energy, speed, and overall pacing of this.

  • @blackcitadel9
    @blackcitadel9 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The dog was the mastermind all along.

  • @tartiflette6428
    @tartiflette6428 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Gotta love the very subtle jab at Unity.

  • @sk8fuze
    @sk8fuze 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Absolutely loved this episode! Brilliant job!

  • @ViridianSunrise
    @ViridianSunrise 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great idea for a video, excited to see the next one!

  • @nargonthedragon
    @nargonthedragon 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    OMG I love how youtube thinks this asset flip video is The Day Before! XD

  • @sem785
    @sem785 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Love the vids. Your channel is great!

  • @nathanpowless-lynes8421
    @nathanpowless-lynes8421 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    David Wehle did a great GDC talk on how to use asset stores responsibly, for his game The First Tree. I recommend checking it out!

  • @chiefnewo
    @chiefnewo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is my favourite series at the moment, love it!

  • @kiddo6393
    @kiddo6393 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Asset flipping is like a hammer. Very useful to save time and effort, in the hands of skilled people it can do miracles, but if you use it too much and not properly, it just makes a broken mess. It's a tool, in a vast repertoire of the craftspeople

  • @samuelalvarez8670
    @samuelalvarez8670 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was a great video on the way it was presented. I didn't realize these type of assets were so available so devs and studios can be even lazier than I imagined.

  • @EhrenLoudermilk
    @EhrenLoudermilk 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have notifications turned on for this dudes content. Good stuff

  • @roboknobthesnob
    @roboknobthesnob 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The fact that character implementation somehow removed the built in steep/climb on the Z axis that unreal has by default on a Character, hell even in general Pawn, class

  • @brannanvitek1035
    @brannanvitek1035 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Second Wind only just started and he’s already losing his mind! I really love your series, it’s helped a bunch with my indie project, as I’m sure it has countless others. :)

  • @MagusRahl02
    @MagusRahl02 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    When you sue a game reviewer for $10 million dollars for pointing out that you're an asset flipper 😂

    • @neoqwerty
      @neoqwerty 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I got flashbacks to that dude with the bad zombie asset flips who tried to sue the Jimquisition from this comment and burst out laughing from the memories, good times, good times, hope someone makes your end of year like you just did mine

  • @megabear8905
    @megabear8905 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This video is a joy. Very insightful.

  • @TheRapierTheBetter
    @TheRapierTheBetter 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Loved this concept and cant wait to see more

  • @Luanmm
    @Luanmm 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    As a Brazilian, I can say: I support changing our national flag for ludo's art IRL

  • @artheus5069
    @artheus5069 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the god damn "*BANG* *BANG* *BANG*" bit made me almost spit out my dinner. Ludo is clearly a master game designer.

  • @samadams8533
    @samadams8533 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Makes me think about the news with Insomniac and how Spiderman 2 cost 3x as much as Spiderman 1 despite reusing the map and many of the assets for over a 300m budget.

    • @samadams8533
      @samadams8533 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SageWon-1aussie yes except the watermelon doesn't use the same resources as the apple does, you're acting like the development of a sequel shouldn't benefit from its predecessor that used the same engine(technically 2 predecessors). Not to mention a watermelon has only gone up 39% in price since 2018 when Spiderman(PS4) released, thats a far difference from the 300% difference in cost between the games.

    • @samadams8533
      @samadams8533 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SageWon-1aussie it is a good game, and I am glad insomniac has left crunch culture in the past, that does not free them from criticism on a mismanaged budget/resources that will prevent investment in the future

  • @kikmi1900
    @kikmi1900 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is one of your better vids, good progress, good job

  • @RiposteBK
    @RiposteBK 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    How did you find this candid live footage of MGS: Survive development? 👀