Refining Old German Iron - The 60 degrees V swage - Amazingly effective! (2020)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 พ.ย. 2020
- A special treat, using a different method to further refine a bar of wrought iron, originally sent to me by German Bladesmith, Jean Collin.
Brian Brazeal, blacksmith, has made me aware of forging in an equal laterial triangle swage and how incredibly effective it is to forge with it, using the edges of the swage, just like using the edge of the anvil.
You can forge hexagonal, round or triangular stock if you choose to do so.
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I always learn from your videos, and often what I learn in addition to technique is how much I don't know, and how much I have left to learn. Thank you!
That Brian Brazeal guy is onrey, and smart... Gotta keep an eye on that one! ;)
I had the absolute pleasure of sitting and watching Brian and Ed Brazeal work. Those two are among the few I’ve met who just exude knowledge. No matter how long you’ve been at this craft, sitting for just a half hour and watching either of those two work along with their conversation amongst each other you are guaranteed to pick up something new.
Inspired by this video, I made myself a sixty degree vee swage and the results were great. I’ve not yet tried it with wrought iron, but I do quite a few forge welds with 1/4” round bar and your swage makes a huge difference. I’m sure I recall at least one video where you took scrap nails from your wood stove ashes and forge welded them together into round bar using your vee swage. I sure wish you would make that one available again. It’s very inspiring.
Been looking forward to this video since Brian said you'd tried it! Need to make a v swage myself.
I really love how you explain the mechanics in such detail. It's very educational and helpful for me, so much better than just, "put the metal here and hit it here."
Wow! So cool to see the V swage in action like this. Thanks for all the great angles!
This is genius! The force from the swage is 90 degrees to the surface of the swage. You have the hammer blow straight down and the swage forces up at 60 degrees! The material has no choice but to get longer. No bulges like off the edge of the anvil or off the horn.
Yes!
Really cool to see what Brian was taking about in action. It makes a lot of sense.
That 60deg bottom swage really concentrates the hammer’s energy! 👍😁 Excellent! Now I’ve got something else to make!😅😅
I have a piece of 1/2" wrought iron round stock that needs refining. Now I know how I'm going to do it! 👍👍
I have been helping with bloom smelting and experimenting with the resulting compacted bloom for about ten years between other things. (Blacksmiths' vacation: let's smelt some ore!) The physics of the swage geometry is more than intriguing. I'll be incorporating something like this in my next experiments.
Cool video. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friend forge on always learning from your videos.
Very impressive, hard work and a lovely result.
Absolutely some of the best video and a beautiful hammer time lullaby. Purrrfect for veiwing as i turn in for my night.
Thanks Mr Joey.
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This is definitely a game changer! I will be giving this a try today!
Joey, I just used this technique today for the first time in order to draw out the rein of a bending fork. This was fantastic and made it a lot easier, I am still going to use the method you taught regarding the action of tilting your hammer to the side, so the dressed corner of the hammer acts like a fuller, or the edge of the anvil.
Also, this bending fork is going to be used for making a shop sign bracket. I really think you should revisit your own shop sign and stuff.
I'm taking a little inspiration from your plant hanger that you made from 3 rail road spikes, but I will only be using the tenon and some scrolls. Mine i will have a stretched Ω shape for the top portion and a scroll near the main flat piece that gets affixed to a wall.
Joey
Very much enjoyed this
Will try this when refining iron
Nice work Joe, lots of hard hammering but great result! Hope it passes the test!
I built one of these when I realized I had some 1" stock lying around and I saw one in a catalog someplace.
Never did understand what it was for.
I can't wait to try this.
I have a supply of wrought that has a tendency to open up when worked, maybe this will at least allow round bits to be free of splits.
That was mesmerising...
Nice work!
turned out pretty good i'd say 🙋♂️🍁👌👏😊cheers from Montreal
Now I have another tool to make. Thanks a lot. KUTGW.
Just watched this. Great Idea with the 60% angle swage. I think that would work on some 1" square Wrought Iron fence post. Hard to keep it from coming apart when working it. Thank you.
Awesome
Love your videos, they always make me want to get out to my shop and do some forging. Does anyone make or sell a 60 degree v swage like this? Or a video making one would be great!! Thanks!
There is a Canadian company called Newman Forge and Pattern Inc that manufactures swage blocks and swage stakes, among other things, out of ductile iron. They make a nice v-swage stake and I believe that it might be a 60 degree angle. I would have to measure mine to make sure. I believe Thak Ironworks is a retailer for Newman Forge and Pattern Inc.
That turned out good in around a bout way. (:
Hi Joey, I really want to get into blacksmithing, do you have any tips/tricks for a fellow dutchman on how to get into it as a beginner, especially a beginner on a tight budget? :D
Joey, can you reupload or make public the video where you forge wire nails into a billet and made tongs out of it?
We have been using v block's for years to weld up chainsaw chains to make knives
How many degrees is the V and how do you use it?
My swedge block has 90 degree V. Plus half rounds I ha had great results with both
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Why round stock instead of just hexagonal? Of course I don't see much practical uses of a hex bar but still...
Were did Brian show this?
I dont think he has a video about it (Mr. is not a tech guy), but on a previous class I took with him, he did talk about it and other techniques that unfortunately he does not have videos.
Curious to what is causing all these fumes when the metal is so hot.
I know you know it's borax :p
@@TechnicusJoe are you using only Borax or Part Borax/ Sand/Slag? The most time it looks like Sand. Btw. Nice hammering 💪💪💪...my arms would fall of.
You should turn it into a wagon wheel Lol
Okay, I get the fact it is flawed, but if wagon tires are not the highest of quality material-- How the hell did they manage to actually make them in the first place with out it just cracking apart?
It works fine hot and works fine cold. It's the red heat range it tends to get cracks, red short, highly likely from sulfur present in the iron.
@@TechnicusJoe Thank you so much for the clarification.
@@demastust.2277 there is also the fact that wagon tires don’t require much forging, it’s just a soft bend (usually done cold) and one simple weld. They’re also disposable, so it’s better if you use cheap crap even if you have to fuss around with it a little.
Someone get this man some low backround battleship steel or a piece of modern demagnetized submarine hull see what that stuff does!
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Yes, I do.
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I’ve gotta say I’m not impressed... it’s an interesting forging theory, but just watching you forge it does not look to be extraordinarily efficient in practice, the change in dimensions from a single blow does not seem all that drastic considering the size of the stock, the softness of the material, and the high heats being taken, I’d expect to get the work done a lot quicker forging conventionally. It seems to me like it it increasing your surface area to be worse than forging flat on flat and only marginally better if you forge on the edge of the swage.
Though I will say it looks like it did a good job compacting that cruddy iron... I’m interested to see how that iron forges. In my experience iron of that quality is difficult to refine by reforging, I know it to be caused by high sulfur content that weakens the bonds within the iron, causing it to crack across the grain like that. Which is common in wagon tires, since 1. They are disposable so cheap iron is wanted, and 2. There is barely any forging to a wagon tire, it’s just a soft bend and one weld, doesn’t terribly stress it.
The advantages that I see are the scale falls away, the anvil won't draw the heat out so fast, the V provides a unique way to compress 3 sides instead of two, you can use your depth as a guage to keep it even. It's not expected or claiming to be "Extraordinary" or "drastic". Just another tool that may come in handy.
Broadus, you may want to hold off on your assessment until you see more on this, or better yet, try it yourself. I've been working with these swages for over 2 years now, and I have never seen metal stay as hot while drawing with such control. As long as you are using half hammer face blows near or far, the metal extrudes with three equal surfaces being struck without the shorter and thicker effect you get with two surfaces being struck.
Broadus, I would recommend to try it out before saying you're not impressed. You haven't seen, nor tried all possibilities with this swage.
@@BrianBrazealBlacksmith could you elaborate on what you see as the benefit of this swage over forging square/oct/round? It seems to me like you can move metal much faster forging on a square model than a hex model.
I will have to try it, but I still don’t see the value in it...
Though that may be the 18th century smith in me talking. Most practical forgings from that time are on a square basis, you’re only working on a round basis if it is required for its function.
@@broadusthompson1666 like I mentioned above, instead of forging with two surfaces that always upset the location being struck making it shorter and thicker, the three equal surfaces extrude the material keeping it hotter and contained. It also works better for forge welding and forging wrought. Meteorites and blooms would also be contained better in these.