Does keeping the Law of Moses even make sense for Christians?
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- We've talked a lot about the theological shortcomings of Torahism (aka the Hebrew Roots Movement), but recently it occurred to me that their position on keeping Torah also falls short philosophically. So here's a little thought experiment. Let's pretend-for the sake of argument-that HRM theology is true and consider what that would mean for our Hebrew Roots friends. It turns out that if HRM were true, it would present a lot of problems in history and in the Bible.
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Please pray for my family. My wife has fallen for this heresy. We are constantly fighting and going at eachothers throats now because of this hallelujah scripture nonsense. Please pray for Ruben and Vicky.
I appreciate your honesty brother. Keep studying, the hardest thing that I ever did and continue to do. Is to forget what I have learned and read the Bible for what it says.
So appreciate the work you do!
I have a question Rob. If I wanted to extensively read the writings of the early church, where would I go? Is there a book that puts these all together or do I just scour the internet? I worry about the translations of them being correct.
Hi, LLA! The website earlychristianwritings.com/ is a decent (and free) resource for many early writings.
Blessings, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots Thank you!!! 😊
The late Keith Green wrote a very thorough article called Catholic Chronicles which is easily found online. He wrote the article shortly before his death and his ministry took it out of publication soon thereafter but people have kept it in circulation.
Dear, Rob, What’s your take on Salvation? How can I be saved according to the Bible? What verse can you give me that talks about salvation? I’m very interested in reading your answers, thanks.
Hi, Osvaldo. Scripture teaches that salvation is necessary because of our sinful nature. On our own, we cannot be reconciled to our perfect, holy, heavenly Father. "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Romans 6:23).
And, "God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God." (John 3:16-18)
So salvation comes through faith in Jesus. Jesus said, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 14:6) And salvation is not something we can earn by doing things. It is a free gift from God.
"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them." (Eph 2:8-10)
Blessings,
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots Great scriptures, but what about Acts 2:38? Do you believe in getting baptized in his name?
@@osvaldorivero4281 I view baptism as an act of obedience for someone who has come to faith in Christ, but not a prerequisite for salvation. For example, the thief on the cross next to Jesus was not baptized but was saved.
@@TheBiblicalRoots what about Mark 16:16 and later on the apóstol Paul teaching the Ephesians 4:5-7
In my opinion Jesus gave Peter the keys of the kingdom in Matthew 16:19 after he had confessed who Jesus was, which the keys of the kingdom being , baptism in his name, after all Jesus said in John 10:9 that he was the gate and whoever entered through him would be saved, it makes sense for me he gave Peter the keys so we would enter in Acts2:38
What day did Yah change the Sabbath? when John the bapatist was born or when he arrived on the scene, at the Death, Burial or Resurrection of Yahshua?, When he ascended?, at Pentecost?, After the temple was destroyed in 70 AD?, all of the above, none of the above? was it a gradual change over a period of months and years--- in your opinion...Did Yah use the Catholic church or Constantine to make it official...Did Yah change his mind in time, space matter or was this change I am assuming pre-ordained before the foundations of the earth ---Just curious about your thoughts. Thanks
It's an eternal covenant and also part of the ten commandments. God wrote it in stone with his finger. Yeshua says if you would enter into life keep the commandments. He who says he loves me and doesn't keep my commandments is a liar. Liars.
Jesus also says to keep HIS commandments and never mentions the Sabbath as one of them.
Jesus’ commandments parallel the 10 commandments in Matthew 5-7 and in fact, magnify them.
I’m curious how you would square the 2 versions of Gods moral law?
How does the new testament handle passages like Isaiah 2? Doesn't the text imply that genitles will come to Jerusalem to learn Torah? Is that a new Jerusalem prophecy? Is that torah referring to the the law of Christ? Thoughts?
Blessings Rob. Thank you so much for your ministry. I also have a Hebrew Roots friend that reads the AENT by Andrew Gabriel Roth. Can you do a video/review on that Bible version?
Hi, Alex! I've never heard of that version. I'll check it out.
Rob
At 3:12 I paused to let you know before continuing on with the Video, I started thinking the feasts and sabbaths were important to Yah and that they were forever to be "rehearsed throughout your generations"from reading the word, before ever hearing or knowing there was a "Hebrew Roots group ie...movement" now I'll see if you can change my mind with this Video. (Continuing on)
And did he?
@@charitybrook6279 No... thanks for asking. If your theology is telling you to break even the least of God's Commandments you might want to recheck what you believe, Jesus said to keep the Law not break it.
@@mrclay50 so if a temple was available today, would you offer an animal as atonement for your sin? Would you accept a high priest (not Jesus) offering an animal year after year as atonement for your sin? You cannot accept both (and remain consistent) and therefore I hope you will think on this long and hard.
As an aside, I hope you will do a long and in-depth study on the Hebrew word “olam” and also read the context around every single verse where “olam” is used in the Old Testament.
@@miketisdale7341 No, I do not need animal sacrifice to do what Jesus has already done... we are to rehearse the feasts as memorials for what Christ has already done...I don't understand why so-called Christians want to do the Pope's commands but neglect the Father's Commands. The Pope's Commands are but traditions of Men that Jesus warned about. I'm referring to Sunday, Christmas, and Easter. People want a reason to celebrate why not celebrate the Father's Commandments rather than Man's traditions that we were born from pagan origins. I believe we cannot keep the feasts as in "Keeping the Feasts" for many reasons but we can rehearse them tell
Christs return. have a great day.
@@mrclay50 in sticking with the idea of atonement, maybe I should not have assumed and should ask another question. Am I right to assume that you would interpret Matthew 5:18 that nothing has changed in the commands as given to Israel and by proxy that they all apply to you? If you say nothing has changed, then, with the mindset of trying to remain consistent, how can you assert that you can accept Jesus’s atonement and yet still need the atonement as prescribed in the Torah (no change)? As Matthew 5:18 would be interpreted by HRM, not even the smallest part has changed, and accepting an atonement other than what is prescribed in Torah would be a huge change. I simply want to get your thoughts on this aspect without going off into tangents if possible.
Amen!! I really like this approach to showing the folly of this aberrant new teaching.
“I do not believe that any man can preach the gospel who does not preach the Law. Lower the Law and you dim the light by which man perceives his guilt; this is a very serious loss to the sinner rather than a gain; for it lessens the likelihood of his conviction and conversion. I say you have deprived the gospel of its ablest auxiliary [its most powerful weapon] when you have set aside the Law. You have taken away from it the schoolmaster that is to bring men to Christ. they will never accept grace till they tremble before a just and holy Law. Therefore, the Law serves a most necessary purpose, and it must not be removed from its place. The Law cuts into the core of evil, it reveals the seat of the malady and informs us that the leprosy lies deep within. They must be slain by the Law before they can be made alive by the gospel.”
Charles Spurgeon
I enjoy the show, brother. Bless you
Today is Good Friday I went to church for the passion of Christ. For those that aren’t familiar they read from several gospels and some Old Testament scriptures. They finish with prayers. Specifically prayers for Jewish people that they may come to find the Truth in our Messiah.
Now why would they pray that if they have such hatred towards Jewish things?
I think a lot of these messianic Jews or Hebrew roots people have never actually step foot in any Christian church to hear what the priests actually read.
The early church theology development was state control ed. The people in church were not and aren't allowed to question anything. Do you believe in grafting or replacement theology.
Works and Belief!, Shalom
Be blessed in Yahuah through His Son Yahusha
many of tge Puritans actually believed in keeping the Sabbath day even though many of them kept it on Sunday. they absolutely believed in keeping the 10 Commandments.
i have listened to hundreds of sermons from the past and they absolutely did believe this way.
also, there were people groups like the Waldenses that trace back to the apostolic times and they were 7th day Sabbath keepers as well.
That's great. I've never said Christians should not keep Shabbat, only that it is not _required_ of us. Blessings, Rob
And what is your point? Just because something came first or was done a long time doesn't mean it's right. Child molestation was completely normal 3000 years ago. Does that make it acceptable or even right?
It is the dumbest of the dumb who preach that you don't have to keep the ten commandments. The ten commandments are NOT the law of Moses. Consider for example - Pharaoh saw that Abrahams wife was very attractive and believing that she was his sister he took her intending to have her himself but then - - how did Pharaoh know that adultery was wrong? Same goes for Abimelech king of Gerar.
Hey brother please take the time to read my insights i’m only 24 years old but I’ve been a long spiritual journey and always enjoyed to study I went from evangelical to Hebrew roots to now I’m non denominational still with a deep love for the Jewish roots but don’t see it as applicable for all believers in all geographical locations in the world I was trying to be Torah observant through high school I took the sabbath so seriously that I literally chose not to pursue my passion of basketball because I couldn’t play on the sabbath even though I had the talent to maybe really do something maybe play in a community college at least it’s something I still look back at today as a missed opportunity but I just wanted to do the will of God honestly I came to the conclusion the sabbath can’t possibly be for everyone if an Alaska when they have extended periods of day light and darkness how the heck are they supposed to detect sundown ? The verse that put me in favor of sabbath observance is Isaiah 66:23 because it seems to say all mankind will keep it in the age to come (Millenium) that could still be true but what about new moon feasts or feasts that require pilgrimages to Jerusalem we just can’t physically perform them and even Jews simply do a rehearsal without a temple Even though I am no longer Hebrew roots I still choose to refrain from pork and biblically unclean foods for practical purposes not to impose it on others I do believe there’s a lot of scientific truth in it but I also see there’s no command for gentiles saying they must keep kosher. However it is true that Jesus never declared all foods clean in mark 7 it was about eating bread with unwashed hands and the phrase isn’t in the Greek or in every translation and a clear understanding of acts 10 is really about gentiles being made clean many Christians are ignorant of these things but at the same time kosher is never commanded to keep for gentiles in fact all that was most important is what’s laid out in James decision in acts 15 but im definitely open minded and I just came to my conclusions based off what makes the most logical sense. However Jewish believers are encouraged to remain Jews (1 Corinthians 7:18-acts 21) in the Middle Ages Jews were forced to eat pork and renounce Passover and any ties in anything Jewish Dr brown even mentions it was part a catholic baptismal formulas for Jews to prove conversion and that’s wrong on so many levels .. it’s also true historically the Jerusalem church headed by James the just brother of Jesus was Torah observant along with his church but these were Jews.. it’s also clear in my studies though Constantine definitely admitted he hated Jews and wanted nothing in common with them he didn’t invent Sunday worship since the early 2nd century gentle Christians honored the resurrection on Sunday obviously that’s neither a command from scripture either but a tradition that was started and later Constantine mandated it for all Christians because there were still sabbath observant Christians in Asia Minor and in the eastern parts of the world or some kept both days . However the hardest pill for me to swallow is the change from a Christian Passover to Good Friday Easter Sunday Constantine eventually mandated it for all Christians and said he didn’t want nothing in common with Jews so why depend on their calendar prior to that in the 2nd century church father polycarp disciple John went to Rome to dispute the change .. known as the quartodeciman controversy in the early church he says
“We observe the exact day; neither adding, nor taking away. For in Asia also great lights have fallen asleep, which shall rise again on the day of the Lord's coming ... All these observed the fourteenth day of the Passover according to the Gospel, deviating in no respect, but following the rule of faith. And I also, Polycrates, the least of you all, do according to the tradition of my relatives, some of whom I have closely followed. For seven of my relatives were bishops; and I am the eighth. And my relatives always observed the day when the people put away the leaven.
- Eusebius 1890, Book V Chapter 24
Rome didn’t listen and they claimed they learned another apostolic tradition probably from Paul to keep it on a Sunday eventually their view won out but this still doesn’t indicate polycarp kept the Passover like a normal Jew but instead probably held communion had a fast leading up to it like a lent type practice and remember the Lord’s atoning death as opposed to Easter Sunday focusing on the resurrection. Here’s my solution though .. Paul calls Jesus the first fruits.. the feast of first fruits is always the first Sunday after Passover we should of retained polycarp’s Christian Passover handed down by John and honored his resurrection on that first Sunday of first fruits not follow a pagan calendar in order to determine Easter.. what’s interesting we know it was changed because in other languages Easter Is the same word for Passover pascua in Spanish for example pascha in Greek. Also I have to point out the many great Christian men you mentioned are in favor of a Sunday sabbath and that we should rest on that day literally im of the mindset the sabbath Is the 7th day never Sunday but gentiles aren’t ever required to keep it but have the freedom to do so. I never found a good argument to my Alaska sabbath so I stand by that. However it is something I reflect on time to time I want to please God and if I’m wrong in any way I’d like to know the truth honestly I can read the Bible in support of it or to be against it it’s all about bringing in those presuppositions and also because the sabbath isn’t hardly mentioned in the NT I can argue from Colossians 2:16 we don’t have to but then I can argue from hebrews a sabbath rest remains it just comes down to what’s the most logical interpretation. I do want to know your insights though on why it seems at least from the OT we have to keep the sabbath in the Millenium (Isaiah 66:23) the feast of tabernacles (Zechariah 14) Dr brown is of the opinion that they will be physically kept then though they aren’t required for everyone now or some spiritualize it . However I find it interesting that Orthodox Jews don’t even believe gentiles have to keep the Torah in order to be righteous they can be Noahides still eat pork still play ball on Shabbat it’s all good in the hood if you’re not a Jew lol as long as you keep the 7 laws of Noah but I also find it interesting that Noah knew clean from unclean even before Moses was born back in genesis 7 so I’m always studying always all ears I don’t think Noah was sabbath observant. The sabbath can be a beautiful thing if done in the right spirit but can also be legalistic if done under the necessity of just doing it because you feel you have to. If God truly wants me to keep the sabbath or keep the feast days to the best of my abilities Id most certainly do it but I just don’t see it logically or historically binding for all people all times in all parts of the world. However God has called messianic Jews to be a light to their Jewish brethren and that means following their customs in light of Yeshua. Im definitely intrigued though by the quartodeciman controversy what’s your thoughts that John told polycarp to keep a Christian remembrance of Passover ? Should it have been changed ?
I would say. Keep the four rules from Acts 15 and be free. As long as you act in love everything is fine. Keep those Torah laws which makes sense and are scientific proven. But dont make a big thing out of it. God loves you however you keep those. So being to eager to keep them put you in sin.
I just wanted to say thank you for all the work you’ve done on refuting modern day Judaizers. I’ve just discovered your channel today and I’ve been binging your videos in last minute prep for a live stream I’m doing tonight. I am currently preaching through The Sermon On The Mount on my live web show which is just simply called “Cerebral Faith Live”. And as you know, one of the Judaizer’s favorite proof texts is found in this sermon of Jesus.
I’m using your video to help equip me as best I can to deal with potential pushback during the Q&A portion of the show. God bless you.
Thanks, CFV! I'm thrilled to know my work has been helpful for you. Blessings, Rob
Judaizers are not Hebrews. You want to be enlighten. Start binge watching The God Culture. It will absolutely blow your mind, and clear up all your questions.
@@Yahusha77 What’s the argument again? “Greek Jews “ vs. ?
The Holy Bible is calling you right now to read Corinthians chapter 6.
The Torah is the first five books. The OT SEVENTY-SEVEN percent of The Bible. Your Creator said Saturday is the Sabbath. Nuff said. Stop name calling, Commandment #6, and be kinder.
Here, let me help. YESHUA not only spoke of The Commandments, Our MESSIAH actually expounded on two of them. Stop labeling people and start loving them. Continue to be condescending and you may hear, "Get away from me. I never knew you"
My well intentioned brother in law gave us each a Hebraic Roots Bible. I originally found it to be a lazy translation with little theological thought. Recently I have found glaring omissions and out and out lies in the notes.
You say that you would put it in the "nearly statistically impossible" category that false doctrines could be passed down for so long and all of these highly educated men never saw it...
I'm sorry I'm confused are we talking about the modern day church or 2nd temple Judaism because that's exactly what Jesus accused them of doing, and accuses us of preemptively in the New Testament just like He did with them in the old.
Do you not see the parallels between His first coming and His second? Both times we are judged for nullifying the commandments of God for the commandments of men.
This "scientific" method you speak of is the same as the oral tradition of the second temple Jews. That's why so many rejected Jesus! "How could the elders possibly be wrong? The majority is correct!".
Funny how we see the same propaganda coming from our church as we do our governments. We recognize our government lies to us, and our entertainment, but we don't think that lies could have seeped into our traditions as well? Jesus told us that they would creep in and lead us astray.
Why do we always think it's gonna be the minority cult followers only? Jesus said few find the narrow gate... Not the many, though He wishes none would perish. Why can't we take Him at His Word?
Well said!
I couldn't possibly agree more
The question you should be asking is there ONE WAY for both Jews and Christians? Or are there two ways?
There is one way to salvation and righteousness for Jews and Gentiles, and His name is Yeshua. Blessings, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots
If there is one way for Salvation and righteousness then we must accept Malachi prophecy regarding the last days, most importantly verse 4.
Malachi 4:5 See, I will send the prophet Elijah to you before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes.
Verse 4 Remember the TORAH of my servant Moses, the decrees and laws I gave him at Horeb for all Israel.
Remember is not a mental state but a call to action.
Listening, having been in most sects of Messianic and some sects of HebRoot. They are different theologically and interpretation and application to lifestyle. Will you pick up on that? I will keep running comments here. I like how you present info and provide fair context RL.
3:50 HR must keep the law for salvation in some way. But what about those who keep the law for respect and guidance not salvation? Will that be discussed? Or the Law is for Jews and optional for Gentiles and not based on salvation still?
8:11 the ECF tried to convince Jews that Yeshua is THEIR Messiah. True. From HR pov that is equalntoartin Luther doing the same this and then writing chapters 15-17 in his book that Hitler used for blueprints against Jews.
What you are saying is they had political tension but not religious malfecient intention.
I can believe you because you're putting references and quotes and history to the writings that are difficult to locate and put in context. The context is what interpretation bias needs to be clarified. Without context (as is usual for ECF writings) both interpretations are valid opinion.
8:46 Marion is good example of this corruption. But why did the ECF keep two of his teachings when branding the rest of him as a heretic? He authored "new testament and old testament" and he authored the idea "God of the OT was angry and God of the NT is peaceful and loving," thus TWO GODS or God Changed!
Marion 2 herecies adopted by the church was not discussed. That is a hinge like Bar Kothba 132ad is a hinge. Please address as you missed the full swing and got 2 bases not a home run.
10:25 yes #2 is a real interpretation also.
I think the most obvious theory of the aversion to God's law in the modern church would be a misunderstanding or misconstruing of early church writings. I think the error is more likely in Mr. Solberg's interpretation or selection of early church writings than in a consensus among the early church.
From what I remember, when I studies this stuff out a bit, it was hundreds of years before the church began to show signs of straying from a more coherent view of Scripture; and much of the obvious division in theology really rose up around that same time (so that correlation seems to align with a more Torah observant understanding of that history).
It isn't that the early church got it all wrong as much as the church started getting it wrong a little later. The fact that we view Augustine as an 'early church father' is a little sad. HIs heresy may not have been as blatant as Marcion, but the influence he had on some sects of the church, which is still seen today, has not been a good thing.
What if this heresy which twists the gospel crept in slowly (as these things do) and what if we can see the evidence of that in the writings of the early church if we look at a large body of those writings without a bias to interpret the very early Christian writings as being in agreement with our own theology? It's been awhile, but when i looked at it that way it did tell a different story than the one Mr Solberg tells here.
Rob, can you make a video discussion about Isiah 43:25
Billy Graham graduated from Wheaton College in 1943 with a degree in anthropology. Wheaton gave him an honorary degree in 1956. Graham believed in what Charles Finney preached in the Second Great Awakening. Tim Keller grew up in a mainline Lutheran denomination. As a teenager, during confirmation, a Lutheran cleric and social activist introduced him to a Christian version of social liberation founded in a "spirit of love." Soon after, the Kellers started attending a conservative Methodist church which helped reinforce their son's more tradition conception of God and the reality of Hell. While attending Bucknell University, in his home state of Penn., Keller learned the " reigning ideologies of the time", from radical professors, including the "Neo-Marxist critical theory of the Frankfurt School."
You are a font of wisdom, Carmen. :-) Thanks!
1st a bit of back ground is needed from you if you would like to discuss a differing point of view on your points of view.
I have 3 theories for you if you "if" choose to know them? I'll look for your reply.
Religion labeling is "the Satan's" wotk. It's his Work to keep YAHs ie Gods people against one another and his True Word.
I personally was blessed a few years ago by finding the Word. I was a man of science being an engineer and a founding member of LOIS, league of independent Scientists. I'm 54 now and I did not have a background in Religion. I had a belief in a creator, it was strengthened do to my theorized Theoreticals on space, time and matter that lead me to do a uptake of scriptures.
Im now "excepting" being one of YAHs children. More like an infant... I have no Lables! It's so freeing. Halalu-YAH !
I have done much study in the Word from many, many differant Teachers.
Let me tell you! once you label ie Religion, you are indoctrinated to that view point. A view point that has biascies all over it.
Take care, I look forward to hearing from you!
Praise YAH firmly Worship YAH humbley Give thanks for the Messiah Halalu-YAH !
Thank you for all that you do. I have a friend who is deeply into this movement. They use a different translation of the NT created by Michael Rood. He claims to have found the "true" original version of Matthew, and it omits all books originally written in Greek. They do not use the same Bible we do.
That's so frustrating, Lauren! And it's also pretty scary. I'm familiar with Michael Rood. He's really out there on the eccentric end of this movement.
Rob
Now I have a question what is the difference between a Hebrew roots and a messianic Jew?
Hi, G! In a nutshell, Hebrew Roots are Gentiles who teach that Christians are required to keep the law of Moses and that not doing so is sinful and disobedient. Messianic Jews, on the other hand, are ethnic Jews, who have come to faith in Jesus as their Messiah, but do not believe that followers of Jesus are required to keep the law of Moses as a matter of salvation or obedience.
Shalom, Rob
We should not be respecters of men. I do not hold myself higher than any of the men you named as great men of the faith, but scripture is truth and men (yes, even me) are fallible. We have an example of what is happening now in the Bible. Look at what was going on in the days of King Josiah. He was zealous for God, and did everything he knew to be right passed down from King David. One day a book was found in the Temple, and it was brought before King Josiah. He rent his garment because there were many things left out of the traditions of his fathers. Many of the people keeping Torah now have gone through that same experience. When we opened the book and read for ourselves while seeking Truth, we realized that our fathers have inherited lies. My own personal story was like this. When I turned to God and asked Him to show me the Truth, He did. It didn't take long to see the differences. How many of each kind of animal did Noah take on the ark? I had ALWAYS been told two of each kind. This isn't what the Word says. How did Noah know the difference between clean and unclean? Why were Cain and Able sacrificing? These questions were just the very tip of the iceberg. The whole Bible is 100 percent linked. This was a huge witness for me. When Peter says it is written, perhaps we should go and see where it's written. Jesus said go and learn, so we should go and learn what He means. Paul quotes and references the OT the majority of the time; we should understand what he is talking about. When Paul says "I told you when I was with you," we shouldn't just assume that what he says after that is all that he told them before. We should connect the dots. It's all interconnected. Jeremiah 3 talks about a divorce, and how when someone divorced becomes another's then they cannot return to the first husband.
Jeremiah 3:1-11
[1]They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD.
[2]Lift up thine eyes unto the high places, and see where thou hast not been lien with. In the ways hast thou sat for them, as the Arabian in the wilderness; and thou hast polluted the land with thy whoredoms and with thy wickedness.
[3]Therefore the showers have been withholden, and there hath been no latter rain; and thou hadst a whore's forehead, thou refusedst to be ashamed.
[4]Wilt thou not from this time cry unto me, My father, thou art the guide of my youth?
[5]Will he reserve his anger for ever? will he keep it to the end? Behold, thou hast spoken and done evil things as thou couldest.
[6]The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot.
[7]And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it.
[8]And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
[9]And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks.
[10]And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah hath not turned unto me with her whole heart, but feignedly, saith the LORD.
[11]And the LORD said unto me, The backsliding Israel hath justified herself more than treacherous Judah.
Romans 7 answers how the House of Israel can return.
Romans 7:1-4
[1]Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
[2]For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
[3]So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
[4]Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
But our doctrines passed down wants to make this about not having to keep Torah. Christ's death didn't free us from the whole law, but gave us the opportunity to come back to Him. This is backed up by Ephesians 2 and Romans 11. You were gentiles in times past when you were heathens, but now you are part of Israel through the blood of Christ. Not by your blood, but by His. It doesn't matter if your lineage says you come from Judea or not; without the precious blood of Jesus, their branches are broken off as it says in Romans 11. If we rely on Jesus' sacrifice, we can be grafted into the olive tree. These words link up to the OT very nicely. Israel was called the green olive tree. To be a broken off branch was to be cut off from among your people. You cannot make these references and be talking about something totally different. It doesn't work like that. Logic is intact. If you think Peter's vision gave us the right to eat unclean animals, then you need to read further. Peter explains what it meant. In the next chapter he recounts what happened, and the other Apostles come to the same conclusion about what it meant. Not pigs in a blanket, but that the lost sheep can return. Paul says not to let anyone judge you in food and Sabbaths, but it would make so much more sense if we understood that he was telling them not to let the pagans bother you by ridiculing you when you abstain from unclean things or keep the Sabbath. That letter was to people like me; who are called a cultist because I love God enough to be as obedient as possible. Why are people attacking us for our love of God? Is it a salvation issue? Jesus said IF we love Him, we WILL keep His commands. We can't save ourselves by our own righteousness, not a chance. All have sinned. I do not want to hear Him say "depart from Me, I never knew you."
1 John 2:1-6
[1]My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
[2]And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
[3]And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4]He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
[5]But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
[6]He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
1 John 3:4-24
[4]Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
[5]And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[6]Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
[7]Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[8]He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[9]Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
[10]In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
[11]For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
[12]Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
[13]Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
[14]We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
[15]Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
[16]Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
[17]But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
[18]My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
[19]And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
[20]For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
[21]Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
[22]And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
[23]And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
[24]And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
If Jesus is God, which commands did He give? Not Talmud, or bylaws. Not Sunday Sabbath. Not traditions of men. People keep calling it Mosaic Laws, but Moses didn't devise them. God gave them to His people through Moses. Open your eyes, and unstop your ears. Not to hear or see what I am saying or showing. Not to hear or see what the church fathers believed. Turn to God for yourselves. Ask for wisdom.
It depends if you follow the first good sower ...or you follow that second sower
( UNDERSTAND THE PARABLE )
Rob, you mentioned Herbert Armstrong as a possible start of the HRM. I think it goes further back to the Great Disappointment and the offshoots from that time. Many of Armstrong's "doctrines" came from Ellen G White, JW's, Hislop's book "The Two Babylons", and the anti-Semitic Anglo-israelism movement.
Those are some valid points many HR still reference Hislop and I facepalm and ask them do they realize we have ancient pagan texts that refute a lot of his nonsense right.
@@JGez83 In 1966, Ralph Woodrow wrote a book "Babylon Mystery Religion" that was a modern version of Hislop's book. Many in the cults, as well as in mainstream Protestant circles taught what Woodrow asserted. Later, Ralph was convicted that his book was in error and he quit publishing it. He wrote "Babylon Connection" to set the record straight.
Thanks, Timbeaux! I’m not familiar with Hislop. I will check him out.
@@TheBiblicalRoots that's where a bulk of the anti-Christmas and anti-Easter teaching in the HRM stems directly from. Michael Rood's 'Truth and Tradition' was perhaps the original video that really spread alot, then it was Jim Staley taking it and pretty much duplicating it w/ the nearly the same title 'Truth or Tradition.' Then 119 Ministries did their 'Sunburned' version. These have all been very very influential.
Actually the history of the Hebrew roots concept goes back to the seventh day baptists of Europe and America in the 17th and 18th century. Also a man named Carlstadt who was an associate of Martin Luther. Here is an excerpt
Almost unknown to most Christian literature is the name of Andreas Rudolph B. Carlstadt, the great apostle of the seventh day Sabbath. He was born in Carlstadt, Bavaris, in 1480 and died in Basel, Switzerland, on December 25, 1541, at the age of 61 years. Carlstadt was a personal friend and co-worker with Martin Luther but strenuously opposed him on the Sabbath issue. Carlstadt observed the seventh day Sabbath and taught its observance. D’Aubigne says that Luther himself admitted that Carlstadt was his superior in learning (Fifield’s History, Reference
Remember the Apostle Paul said he worshipped the way that was called heresy, believing all things written in the law and the prophets.
I have an entire new theory about this. Haven't decided yet if the hebrew movement is correct or not since I'm basically studying this by myself. But keep in mind the "apostle" Paul was Marcian's main disciple, and Paul, author of the main gospel for modern christian denominations, is in fact not present in the book of revelations (there are only 12 doors for the apostles in the New Jerusalem and Paul is supposedly the 13th apostle). Let me know if you have interest in my theory and I'll freely share everything I know.
I am not from HRM I use to keep listening your attack on HRM but still you are not getting the solid point to dilute my mind from HRB because sabath is one of the 10th commandment I want to know how Sunday replaced the sabath
Hi, P! Can I ask you something? What does it mean that the Sabbath was part of the Ten Commandments? Do you view the Ten Commandments as more holy or enduring than the other laws Yahweh gave to Israel? It's an honest, open question. Thanks!
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots I am not a theologian I am a layman so I try to answer your open question. If sabat is removed from the 10 commandment Then the commandment is reduced to 9. Secondly I cannot compare the law of God but I agree with what Jesus said love your god with all your heart ,,,, (if love God I should obey the law of God) then love your neighbour. ..... Thank rob for your respond God bless you
@@TheBiblicalRoots
Seems like one of your vids on the Sabbath Rest might help this guy...
Have you read Matthew 28: 18-20?
I would think that should clear things up for you..
Thank you dear brother for pouring yourself into His truth 🙏🏼 and contending for the faith.
3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.
4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jude 1:3-4 NKJV
Thank you! Blessings, Rob
Which of the Commandments do you feel you should follow?
We're each only expected to keep the commands of God that apply to us, WL. And the ceremonial Mosaic commands do not apply to Christians today. (ex. Repeated blood sacrifices for sin are no longer required.) “But now we are released from the law, having died with Christ to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6).
Blessings, Rob
Do you think there is a difference between moral commands and ceremonial ones?
@@adamguy33check out the orthodox Church's view on the law in a search engine. Pretty interesting view, where they don't do the "ceremonial vs moral law" arguments. Instead they apply the law differently to humanity because of what Christ did through his sacrifice and resurrection from the dead, he purified the world I believe, making all things pure in the physical world. But of course humanity must still be purified through Christ by faith.
@@JeffSmith-it4tmwhy do you think the apostles didn't side with the Judaizers in the council of Jerusalem?
So they set a day to meet with Paul, and many people came to the place he was staying. He expounded to them from morning to evening, testifying about the kingdom of God and persuading them about Jesus from the Law of Moses and the Prophets. - Acts 28:23
I don’t think anyone disagrees with this verse but I have a feeling you think it says more than it does. What other scriptures would prophesy of Jesus other than everything before the New Testament?
Jesus came not to abolish the law, but to fulfill it. For example on the. Sabbath day , he was hungry and he picked corn from the fields,but the priests did not like it.
God bless you always brother
Can you make a video regarding the Catholic persecution and massacres?
Interesting you mention the Church Fathers, my big argument lately with my Messianic friend is over Ignatius of Antioch. I am a big fan of his, and my friend doesn't have any use for him. I think he would overturn all the Classical Theology of the Ancient Church if he could, especially the 8th day Typology.
If I am understanding you correctly... your assertion is that the early church leaders (2nd - 6th centuries) did not act adversarially with regard to separating a developing "Christian" orthodoxy from a developing orthodox Rabbinic Judaism? It appears that both of these developing "religious sects" authored discourses of polemical rhetoric that created heresiological markers of disassociation of one from the other. While neither side should be excused for their part in the "parting of the ways"... we have evidence that both sought to distinguish themselves from the other... therefore, it had to have an effect on scriptural understanding and interpretations not only then, but persisting for the centuries following through today! I am really enjoying your videos and have followed mostly in full agreement... but this one has me baffled a bit. Blessings
Hi, Marc! I'm not saying that early church leaders did nothing adversarial, but rather that it was a two-way street. You might enjoy my podcast series called Divergence. It talks all about the first three centuries of the Christian faith. Here's the playlist: th-cam.com/play/PLGWjBUpaD6AsUE5W1xH7-LIbgroALXD57.html
Blessings, Rob
In response to what you think about all these theologians.
”In that very hour, He was overjoyed in the Ruach ha-Kodesh and said, “I praise You, Father, Master of the universe, that You have hidden these things from the wise and discerning and revealed them to infants. Yes, Father, for this way was pleasing to You. All things have been handed over to Me by My Father. No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.” Then turning to the disciples, He said privately, “Blessed are the eyes that see what you see! For I tell you, many prophets and kings desired to see what you are seeing yet did not see, and to hear what you are hearing yet did not hear.”“
Luke 10:21-24 TLV
Saved by grace through faith, live by Torah in grace.
Have a look at the works of Dr Marvin M Arnold, particularly " the bible, trinity and Matthew 28:19.
The modern " Church " has it's origin in first century apostacy.
The epistles are full of references to apostates the blended Greek mythology into their theology producing Roman Catholicism and the protestant denominations.
I have a lot of videos about Calvin vs Armenian view points in my stream. Where do you stand on this and why?
I get a little tired of the denominational bickering, it all seems so human!
Would be nice to see where I stand having looked at the arguments for both schools.
As a wreched sinner I like the grace alone view point but what if that is wrong and I run out of oil…….!
Hi, John! While I find merit in both Calvinism and Armenianism, I do not go by either label or ascribe to either system. And I am not trying to give a "political" answer, here! I simply don't approach Scripture through either lens. As I read the Text, it's all about God's grace, whether we label that grace "prevenient" or "irresistible."
Blessings,
Rob
Stay away from Calvinism and the Armenian beliefs.
Back loading works, front loading works, they are all the same in that they are trusting in their works to help save them and keep them saved ‘see Ephesians 2:9’
Calvinism seems especially vile in that it’s so widespread.
The Calvinist gospel ‘which is not the Gospel we read in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4’ believes that if you are of the elect than you were never in danger of going to hell.
If you are not of the elect you never had a Savior, and there is no good news.
Any belief followed with an ism is a manmade false doctrine that saves absolutely no one.
There are no doctrines in God’s Word that have ism at the end of whatever doctrine it is called, be it Calvinism or Armenianism.
Awesome videos, wife got divorced following torah
So obviously we're not under the law of Moses but what about the Qur'an law or as others would say the law of Noah, isn't that given to all humanity?
There are no such things as "the law of Noah" that was a Pharisee invention to separate the gentiles from the Jews. And the Qur'an has no authority, it comes from the devil. And I don't agree with what you said about the law of Moses
Yes Love in us, a new heart guided by the word the Holy spirit guides us and love fullfills the Law Gods love and Jesus work for us, in us and through us.
Love doesnt sin against God others or self.
It's a bit of a non-issue anyway, because any new club is allowed to write its own rules - Christianity decided ( mainly by Peter's dream) that the old Mosaic laws don't need to be followed by Christians.End of story
Wow! That’s a new one that I haven’t seen.
I thought it was Matthew 28: 18-20 that did away with the Mosaic law.
I certainly agree that there is a need to "correct" the HRM, but this discussion (still) obscures what REALLY happened, Brother. Given that the last time I attempted to discuss this with you here (on the last video --and I appreciate the discourse as always), things got a bit dicey when someone else later hopped into the thread and went on a tangent, so I will continue this comment with you via email. charis kai shalom
(read your response and am writing you back rn)
I think hell is in the heavenly places: Ephesians 6:12 We do not wrestle against fleash and blood but…….. against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places; and also in this valley of the shadow of death obviously!
The Glory of the Cross poem
See him there at Calvary dressed out in full array
The penalty for sinners Gods justice on display
The slaughtered lamb now speaking, His soul is open wide
I'm smitten and forsaken, My God My God Oh Why!
A mocking crowd comes tempting, with wagging heads allied
A crown of thorns they gave him, set hard above his eye
Yet some in sore amazement, let out a desperate cry!
'Tis Jesus friend of sinners, My God My God Oh Why
Then the earth began to tremble and the sun now shut its eyes
Lest sin should reign eternal, the cursed of God must die
With troubled hearts we see him, but faithful we must be
This blessed act of mercy , t'was My God My God for me!
His sheep had all been scattered, alone and all undone
His Fathers heart now grieving, they'd soon have aid to come
His work was now accomplished, the trembling cup lay bare
Sins darkness now upon Him, as he hung in great despair
Before the day was finished, His parched lips would rehearse
The only words befitting, My God My God I Thirst
Through smitten, bruised, abandoned, faith eye would let him see
In three days he would be risen, with the keys of victory
At the dawning of the morning on the first day of the week
He left the grave behind him, now gone to tend his sheep
He spoke with his disciples, at a dinner by the sea
Three times he asked one question, Peter lovest me?
The Righteous King Eternal, t'was this man from Galilee
By faith, you can receive him and live life full and free
All nations now are groaning, while silent hearts just cry
A broken heart of sorrows, O' our God will not deny
Return thy tears of sorrow, to the One who died for thee
No! You have not been forsaken, just but look to Calvary
JS 2014
"I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies. Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them;neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts.Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs;for I will not hear the melody of thy viols." (Amos5:21-25)
Discuss 🙏
didnt paul dot he feasts and stuff?
also, as Im just getting into this from watching a freinds video from his church...(christian Biblical Church of God) wasnt their a council of something that forbid christians to do jewish law? This is all new to me. Just searching for myself , discernment, and assurance of faith.
The Mosaic law was still the law of Israel until Israel and the temple were destroyed in 70AD, and despite the temple veil being torn at Jesus’ resurrection.
What sums this up God told Jeremiah that the days were coming that he make a new covenant with house Israel and Judah not like the one he made with their fathers.
This makes the one of the sacrifices of animals makes the other ones obsolete that makes the one that Jesus did makes the others invalid for salvation. In Hebrews it tell us that the old covenant made nothing perfect, it was weak in the flesh , even though it was holy and good, it didn't blot out the sins, it just covered them. Similar to a bloched up painting, it only covered the mistakes. Jesus gives the true picture and cleans it up. Now we are free from sin and have new heart.
Jesus never mentioned a book, the NT, he told of a helper in the way of the Holy Spirit revealed at Pentecost. That is it? Connect to the Holy Spirit and your good to go!
much needed lecture
Nice philosophy🤔 but I guess I was looking for more scriptural positions on the subject …in the end that’s all that matters. What does the scripture say and the true intent.
Thanks, KM. Most of my content on this channel is theological/Scriptural in nature. I just wanted to take a fun little jaunt over to the philosophical side of the issue for this video. :-)
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots thanks for responding.
Welp"many will come in my name" he says
In Theory One you ask if antijewish sentiment "negatively affected the early christian church?".A strange question- a bit like asking if Hitler's anti jewish sentiment negatively affected the Nazi movement.
Rob why do you see one portions of scripture meant for Jews and others meant for Christians when it's God's feast and God's commandments?
Hello! I don't believe there is "one portion of scripture meant for Jews and others meant for Christians." I teach and believe that obedience is God’s “love language.” Jesus said, “If you love me, you will keep my commandments” (John 14:15). And I'm sure you would agree that not every command that God has given applies to every person at all times. Some of His commands only apply to certain people (i.e., men, women, parents, Levitical priests) or for certain times (i.e., building an ark, gathering manna, while in exile). And I'm sure you would also agree that we are each only expected to keep the commands of God that apply to us. The NT teaches that the ceremonial Mosaic commands do not apply to Christians today. (ex. Repeated blood sacrifices for sin are no longer required (Heb 10:18).) We still serve God and obey His commands, “But now we are released from the law, having died with Christ to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6).
Blessings, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots sorry for the misunderstanding.
Wow!
You present so many points that I would like to address.
When you speak of "Christianity" please note that you are speaking of "Western Christianity which includes Roman Catholicism, and Protestantism. Eastern Orthodox, Greek, Ethiopic churches do have slightly different doctrines than Western Christianity.
Also the NT cannons vary between even Catholicism and most Protestant, Orthodox & Ethiopic churches.
Adding that even in Judaism, modern Orthodox Judaism, is different than 1St century Judaism.
To begin with, What you and most Christian theologians fall short is you IGNORE Messiah's very words in Matthew 28:19a - 20 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you".
If theologians would have taught obedience to WHATSOEVER He commanded, the church would have taken a different trajectory.
So maybe you can explain why *you ignore* Messiah's final command to His Apostles here. Do also remember that once a covenant is "ratified" no changes can be made to it adding or subtracting any points included beforehand. This is why one cannot after His resurrection simply remove & declare Sabbath observance, as optional and add Sunday observance as preferred. It maters not what it appears the "early church" seemed to be doing, (they did not set the terms of the covenant). There are translations that show these bible verses used to support Sunday services were actually on the 7th Day Sabbath, evidenced in even some early English bible translations. Scribal glosses are often the reason where there seems to be scriptures that are contradictory of difficult understand.
So do a program on why we should NOT teach "Christ believers" to obey whatsoever He commanded His disciples, one thing He taught was Sabbath observance. Luke 4:16, Luke 23:56.
To address Matt. 5:17, you as others have not researched this thoroughly, but have depended upon others' interpretation. In the Greek will find what He meant to FULFILL:
to FULFILL G4137:
universally and absolutely, to fulfil, i. e.
****"to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed*****
as it should be, and God's promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfilment":
Matthew 5:17; biblehub.com/greek/4137.htm
Romans 8:7, shows it it man's carnal mind that keeps them from accepting God's law. That is why through all the centuries, who did not want the law, could not see the truth in the scriptures. They build there seminaries, upon antinomian doctrines and interpretation of scriptures.
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Straight from Jesus'/Yahshua's mouth, through the Greek of the NT, we are told that His fulfillment of the law, was to
***** SHOW US HOW TO KEEP IT!!! ****
Then as I asked before show us where and with whom Jesus made a "New Covenant" according to Jer. 31.
The prophecy was the New Covenant was to be with the HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND JUDAH. They were not present at the "Last Supper" therefore obviously did not consent to a
*New Covenant* with Jesus... You are also a victim of "Replacement Theology" if you teach the New Covenant" was made without them, and God has broken His word, and did not fulfill His prophecy in Jer 31. Romans 11:27, shows the "New Covenant" was yet to be made with Israel.
If what you teach was true, the Apostles on the day of Pentecost and in the book of Acts would have been proclaiming to every new audience and every new believer that they had entered the New Covenant, but THEY DID NOT! What was the "New Covenant" a secret????
On the day of Pentecost in Acts 2, the Jews came to worship in Jerusalem, with animals to sacrifice, some became believers, and they were not told to stop keeping the law, stop keeping the Sabbath, stop eating Kosher. So you have no evidence that what you assume was taught, after the cross, was ever taught to new believers, this book addresses 30 to 40 years of early church history.
Here is a simple bible law to research, also found prohibited in Acts 15 is the "eating of blood". This commandment dates back to Noah. This commandment was kept in the early church until about the year 1000A.D. Why weren't you taught this in seminary? Why didn't you research this yourself?
Will await your responses.
Pick any or all of these subjects on which to do a video.
Thank you for bringing up Matthew 28, far too few, in my opinion, ever mention that verse and it has great importance, I believe.
However, the verse does say to observe what Jesus commanded, not Moses, and as you probably already know, Matthew 5 - 7 is where Jesus gives most of HIS commands that run directly parallel to the 10 commands that Moses gave.
In fact, Jesus seems to take authority from Moses in those verses. For example, “you have heard that it was said to those of old, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER”
Matt 5:21
But then he takes the commandment a step further..
“But [I] say to you, WHOEVER IS ANGRY WITH HIS BROTHER, without cause, IS IN DANGER OF THE JUDGMENT”
Matt 5:22
He also strengthens the commandment on adultery in the same chapter.
I’m not sure how you came to the conclusion that Jesus gave a commandment of observing sabbath in the Book of Luke.
In Luke 4:16, Jesus isn’t even speaking but the story is being told of him going to the Synagouge on sabbath.
And the same situation in Luke 23:56, the story being told that they rested on the sabbath.
I have yet to find keeping sabbath among the commands the Jesus gave, and the verses in Luke that you brought up happened before Jesus completed his work on the cross, and therefore, before his commands took effect.
It was at his resurrection and before his assension that Jesus announces the he was given authority.
“I have been given ALL authority in Heaven and on earth”
Matt 28:18
And you have already stated the passage in Matthew 28, where Jesus instructs his disciples to teach the nations to “observe ALL things that [I] have commanded you”
In light of all this, I don’t see where there is a command to follow anything Moses gave other than Jesus’ magnified moral commandments.
No, Jesus didn’t abolish that old law, he enhanced it but he doesn’t speak on the commandment of the sabbath.
I’m not arguing against keeping the sabbath and I don’t see anything negative in doing so, but I am arguing that Jesus was silent regarding the sabbath as a commandment.
Jesus gives a warning in Matthew 24 to those who would flee Judea and to pray that it was not on the sabbath.
I believe that verse goes to aid your argument much more than the other 2 verse in Luke, as it goes to show that the sabbath would still be observed up until 70AD when Jerusalem, along with the temple, was destroyed.
Jesus giving a command to observe Sabbath, does not exist in scripture where he gives his other commands or anywhere else that I can find.
I do wish there was more in scripture regarding that
@@williamcarr3976 There are multiple commandments that Messiah didn't specifically mention. Her never:
1 ) Forbid the eating of Blood Gen. 9:4
2) He never forbid "cross dressing".
3) He never forbid incest
4) He never forbid "beastiality".
He did say that "Man shall not live by bread alone but by every things that proceeds from the mouth of Yah." This includes all the commandments, statutes, and laws previously given, as well as those commandments He repeated and/or clarified.
There are two major areas that Christians do not understand
1) anything to be included in a Covenant, has to be added to it BEFORE it was ratified. Since you mentioned the Sabbath, for the Sabbath no longer be observed, and Sunday or another day substituted, that would have had to have been noted BEFORE Messiah ratified the Covenant in His blood.
2) You obviously don't understand the function of a 1st century Rabbi, Yeshua, and His disciples. In brief, Yeshua, being Rabbi, His disciples would be IMITATORS of Him, in every manner possible, as described below. So contrary to your assumption, yes, Matt. 28, is to be understood, that the commandments, statutes and laws, whatsoever He observances, would continue to be replicated in their lives and taught by His disciples, to the disciples (both Jew and Gentile) which they converted. Note below. What sense would it make for Him to live among His disciples for 3 1/2 years, showing them how to keep the commandments of God, then after His death, and resurrection, for the next 40 days, telling them, to ignore all those commandments which He taught and kept before He died. As you should well know, He gave no new commandments replacing any which He kept before he died, as most Christians teach or assume He did. After His death and resurrection, no new commandments could be added to the Covenant.
"Discipleship: Its Biblical Meaning: In the first-century Jewish world of Jesus, being a disciple was all about one key word: imitation. When a disciple followed a rabbi, the goal wasn’t merely to master the rabbi’s teachings but also to imitate the way he lived: the way he prayed, studied, taught, served the poor, and lived out his relationship with God day-to-day. Jesus himself said when a disciple is fully trained, he “becomes like his teacher” (Lk 6:40). And when St. Paul formed disciples of his own, he exhorted them not just to remember his teachings, but also to follow his way of living: “Be imitators of me as I am of Christ” (1 Cor 11:1). Though the word disciple (mathetes) means “learner,” biblical discipleship was very different from modern classroom learning. On a college campus, a professor might give lectures to students in a large hall; the students take notes, and they’re examined on the material later in the semester. But there’s usually not an ongoing personal relationship and sharing of life between professor and student in the university setting today. To follow a rabbi, however, meant living with the rabbi, sharing meals with him, praying with him, studying with him, and taking part in the rabbi’s daily life. A rabbi’s life was meant to be a living example of someone shaped by God’s Word. Disciples, therefore, studied not just the text of Scripture but also the “text” of the rabbi’s life. This is why Jesus didn’t simply ask his disciples to listen to his preaching in the synagogues. He said, “Come, follow me” and basically invited them on a three-year camping trip as they journeyed throughout Galilee together during his itinerant ministry. Think about that: day in and day out for three years living with Jesus! How much they would have been influenced by his example! They’d notice the way he woke up early to pray. They’d witness his compassion in helping the sick. They’d be struck by his pressing need to go out to the sinners, Gentiles, and outcasts. They’d also observe how he taught the crowds, debated his opponents, called people to repent and offered them mercy. Much of Jesus’ way of living would have “rubbed off” on his disciples."
I don't think the law applies to Christians today, but some teachings of the church are not biblical. For example, philosophy was mixed up with faith early on, resulting in false teachings. Who did this and with what motivation? Of course there are different reasons and motives why this happened, but we should never forget that we are in a spiritual battle and Satan is doing everything he can to undermine our relationship with our heavenly Father. He uses various means, sometimes mixing the truth with lies. It worked really well for the first humans, so why should he change his tactics?
I find it interesting that you do not attack the HRM from a scriptural standpoint. Maybe you did that in another video. But in staying out of the Bible, I noticed that you skipped completely over a thorough examination into Constantine and his motives. Therein you will find much proof text of the antisemitism that abounded in those days and did in fact become normative over the next 1700 years. Consider that his edict for allowing rest on Sundays was equally beneficial to all of the pagan religions in the area as well, not to mention the commentary on the subject from Eusebius of Caesarea. That's just on the surface. You need to take your studies into the Council at Nicaea and as far as the Council of Laodicea (specifically Canon XXIX). If you really want a deep dig, read what the Roman Catholic Catechism says concerning Sabbath vs Sunday. Since both the Anglican communions and the protestant denominations are the offspring of the Roman Catholic Church created as a result of that Constantinian era. You really only proved your point by leaving out the most important and damning information. And OBTW, what religion is the richest in the world, has its own government and ultimately believes that all Christian denominations should be under its authority?
You probably should watch more of the videos from this channel.
So where far I heard most of this before, Torah is different between right and wrong. Did Yahushua-Jesus really mean that he could now eat any? Then it go on to say call no man unclean. The Pharisees made up there own oral laws. Its wasn't just that came out of Egypt, sojourner. No where in Torah does it say you had to be a Jews to join Israel. Yea what comes out of man's mouth shows what he got in his heart. Was Yahushua-Jesus talking about unclean food? ( made all food clean) Is that even in the original text? How is honoring to keep pagan Feasts Christmas and Easter? I love the King James bible, but they couldn't even translate Easter to Passover. And the Name YHWH is changed 6,823 to LORD like most bible, How do get three days three between Good Friday to Easter Sunday morning sun god Worship. Deut 18v10, O' where not under the law, but under Grace, I think I'll go to Spiritualist on Sunday, whether you want to call it Hebrew Roots, Torah movement. I don't believe the church is telling the whole Truth and some Hebrew Roots group are when wrong. I was in church 17yrs, cause something was wrong.
Do you understand the historical reason why Easter was used and not passover? It has nothing to do with a pagan goddess Istar. Do you understand that purely from a historical POV the earliest Christians gathered together on Sunday? It had nothing to do with the Catholic Church and it has nothing to do with sun god worship.
In a reply to me by a HRM follower I asked why he would not talk about the Cross in his numerous ' You are crusading against the HRM because of the hardness of your heart"........I asked why he didn't mention the Cross in his comments. "I'm not playing that game. I don't believe in your interpretation of the Cross." Rob, the HRM denies the Cross....and there is no nice, " nuanced" way to put that.
Wow, I'm not sure I've heard any HRM deny the cross. If they say we need to keep the Law of Moses AND they deny the cross, aren't they just Jewish?
@@TheBiblicalRoots Question: Do you ask any of them why they never mention the Cross? Do you ask them why all they speak of is the law...and they will not use the word "gospel"? The reply from this HRM'er ( on Zach's channel) is " your systematic theology" comes from the Roman Catholic Church. Since the majority of the HRM is filled with former " Christians" ( evangelicals) are they biblically illiterate to believe because the RCC has crucifixes, that mentioning the Cross is "Roman Catholic"? I find many are conspiracy -level, no knowledge of church history. This HRM'er said I was "crusading" against the HRM.
@@TheBiblicalRoots I'm nor HRM or any label, but if you look ie read the word, the cross it is not, the Word calls it a stake, Most likely an Olive Tree, he was tied to the beam put apon the stake making it the shape of the Paleo Hebew letter Tau, Also significant last letter in the Paleo Hebew.
The earliest historical reference to veneration of the True Cross occurs in the mid-4th century. Look it up.
The cross is a image that one should not worship? At least I'm not going to no more.
Why would I idolize something that the Romans built and killed my Messiah apon. ...
Praise YAH firmly Worship YAH humbley Give thanks for the Messiah Halalu-YAH
What is gossip? Also, how far are we willing to go to persecute people that confess Yeshua as Messiah, and are keeping His commands out of love? The cross is not our salvation. It's just a symbol of what Jesus did. Mr. Solberg, do you actually test any of what you say to scripture, or is your mind already made up? I am not attacking, but asking a valid question. Most of this video seemed to be putting HRM against conspiracy theories, and the earlier church fathers. Why must people knowingly lie to lead us astray? Deception is the devil's way.
Jeremiah 16:18-21
[18]And first I will recompense their iniquity and their sin double; because they have defiled my land, they have filled mine inheritance with the carcases of their detestable and abominable things.
[19]O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.
[20]Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no gods?
[21]Therefore, behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know mine hand and my might; and they shall know that my name is The LORD.
I grew up on inherited lies, but that doesn't mean my dad knowingly lied to me. He inherited them from his own dad. When men respect other men more than the Word of God, this happens. King Josiah only had half the truth, and he ripped his garment when he found out there was more to it. Even in Paul's time there were wolves coming in to pervert the truth of the gospel. What about blindness?
Romans 11:25-27
[25]For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
[26]And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
[27]For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Fullness of the gentiles be come into what?
Ephesians 2, and earlier in Romans 11 answers that.
@@AProdigalSonReturned What is your only comfort in life and in death?
Matt 5:19
Matthew 28:19-20
One major factor in the apostasy is that evil men crept in unawares and basically changed the definition of grace.
I feel pretty sure that many of the Protestant Reformers that you refer to like Luther, Huss, Tyndall etc were asked why they thought they knew better than their predecessors.
For YHVH to be the great Revealer He first had to be the great concealer. He really enjoys hiding things from the wise and prudent so He can reveal it to babes at His discretion.
I was more than a little bit surprised when you mentioned Ignatius of Loyola on the same par as Luther, Huss and Spurgeon etc. Unless I’ve been misinformed Ignatius was on the opposite end of the spectrum from the other men you mentioned. Their differences were more than minor doctrinal issues.
Many Protestants who followed the “sola scriptura” teaching to its ultimate conclusion would end up “remembering the sabbath” instead of relying on the traditions of 2nd century “church fathers.”
lets talk about the feasts. forget about whether we have to keep them. my question would be why would we not want to keep the only real Holidays that God ordained instead of manmade ones that he did not give.
it doesnt make any sense to me that he would want us making up days mixed with other traditions like santa claus and easter bunnies, and be ok with that while we pay no reguard to the actual fulfillment of the death, burial, and resurrection on Passover, Unleavened bread, and first fruits.
these are the real days he fulfilled, and man has made up their own days and mixed it with pagan traditions.
Whether we have to observe them or not, we should want to. and if we Love him, we should want to keep his word pure and get rid of anything that profanes it or that man made up.
we can make up grest reasons to celebrate God the way we want, but that doesnt make it right.
we should want to keep his set apart feasts.
I think it's significant that Jesus kept a man-made holiday that was not given in the Torah (John 10:22-23). Best, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots those verses do not say he kept the feast, only that he was present during it.
even if he didnt keep it, I dont think he would have made a big ordeal about it to stop it because thats not what he came to do. in his humble position as a man, he did not try to throw over every man made tradition or anything he saw people doing wrong because that was not his purpose and place for coming
@@TheBiblicalRoots one way I like to look at things is this.
will we be doing it in the millennial reign or not?
will biblical feasts be kept? yes
will Christmas and Easter be kept? i highly doubt it.
the worst part about these holidays though is that they mix secular traditions with the name of the Son of God.
and why not celebrate the actual feasts that represent the death burial and resurrection since we have them?
@@TheBiblicalRoots even if He did, why don't we keep His feasts? You didn't answer the question.
Title should read... "Does being in covenant even make sense for Christians?"
You say the law of moses. It was given to moses from God YHVH torah means instuctions . These are Gods instructions given to 12 tribes and a mix multitude that came out of egypt ..all was present all was included all agreed to the law (instructions) of our God. As a everlasting covenant for all their generations . Which are still having generations to this day
Hey, Jeff. Actually, the covenant God made was not with "all present," but rather with the "house of Jacob and the people of Israel" (Exodus 19:3). The phrase "house of..." is the ancient Hebrew way of referring to one's family across generations. So the "house of Jacob" specifically means the physical descendants of Jacob (who was renamed "Israel" in Gen 32:28), aka "the people of Israel," what we know today as the Jewish people. It was an ethnic group that Yahweh set apart for Himself. This is why in the Torah, we commonly see Gentiles (sojourners, foreigners) called out separately from Israel.
So although there may have been a "mixed multitude" (Ex 12:38) with Israel at Mount Sinai, God made His covenant specifically with the descendants of Jacob.
Blessings,
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots the mixed multitude was present . Ex 19 God was going to make them a kingdom of priests and a holy nation
Ex 20 is the instructions for that kingdom .
If the law was only for jews
Then so is the passover lamb .gentiles not included God forbid
@@jeffburt1953 Hi, Jeff. The mixed multitude very well could have been present at Mount Sinai. The Bible doesn't say so, but it seems to be a logical conclusion. However, as I explained above, the covenant was not made with everyone present, but specifically with the "house of Jacob." And at the making of the Sinai Covenant, when the Egyptians who left Egypt with Israel heard the words “the House of Jacob and people of Israel,” they knew it did not refer to them. Yahweh was talking about Israel, whom He called out of Egypt. “Israel is my firstborn son . . . Let my son go that he may serve me.” (Ex 4:22-23)
So, yes, the Passover lamb was not for Gentiles to eat. "And the Lord said to Moses and Aaron, 'This is the statute of the Passover: no foreigner shall eat of it'" (Ex 12:43). But God, in His mercy, did allow a way for Gentiles to eat of it. To do so they had to be circumcised to demonstrate their loyalty to the God of Israel and essentially turn away from their Gentile-ness (Ex 12:43-49).
Shalom,
Rob
The fact that a theologian thinks that keeping the Torah is "jewish" is all you need to know to disregard everything else he says.
Why do you Ignore Christ's command in Matthew 23:1-3? Any one who relaxes the least of these commands will be least in the Kingdom? The great Commission calls us to do and to teach ALL that Christ Commands!
Which of Christ's commands do you think I am ignoring, Darcy?
I teach and believe that obedience is God’s “love language.” Jesus said, “If you love me, you will keep my commandments” (John 14:15). And I'm sure you would agree that not every command that God has given applies to every person at all times. Some of His commands only apply to certain people (i.e., men, women, parents, Levitical priests) or for certain times (i.e., building an ark, gathering manna, while in exile). And I'm sure you would also agree that we are each only expected to keep the commands of God that apply to us. The NT teaches that the ceremonial Mosaic commands do not apply to Christians today. (ex. Repeated blood sacrifices for sin are no longer required (Heb 10:18).) We still serve God and obey His commands, “But now we are released from the law, having died with Christ to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6).
Blessings, Rob
@DBRofC My husband is getting into this movement and made this earlier reply, not me. He wants to argue with me every day and "buy into it." I just want peace in our home. He won't let me read your book. I pray every day that the Holy Spirit opens our eyes to the truth so we can be unified once again. I don't understand why this is happening, I am so sad, I've lost my best friend.
So... Here is what GOD said about it... "...Jer 12:14 Thus saith the LORD against all mine evil neighbours, that touch the inheritance which I have caused my people Israel to inherit; Behold, I will pluck them out of their land, and pluck out the house of Judah from among them.
Jer 12:15 And it shall come to pass, after that I have plucked them out I will return, and have compassion on them, and will bring them again, every man to his heritage, and every man to his land.
Jer 12:16 And it shall come to pass, if they will diligently learn the ways of my people, to swear by my name, The LORD liveth; as they taught my people to swear by Baal; then shall they be built in the midst of my people.
Jer 12:17 But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, saith the LORD..." What did HE just say... YOU, no matter what any man writes or says at Any time, must learn and do The same as The House of Israel..." That leaves a whole lot of explaining from the Christian front, How they think this does not apply to them... And there is also the Quote from The Messiah... "...Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God..." In direct agreement with The Fathers Words...
The Sabbath is a Commandment of God.
And God's Law is still in place.
same thing the Pharisees said to Messiah and the disciples. you trust to much in men in the past especially Men through the era called DARK AGES.
I agree Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves it is the gift of God Not of works lest any man should boast.However grace is not the only thing needed to enter into heaven lets look at verse 10
For we are his workmanship created in Christ Jesus to good works which God has before ordained that we should walk in them. we need good works and what is good is described in Romans 7:12 wherefore the law is holy and the commandment holy and just and good. some people in order to refute that we need to keep the law will quote Romans 10:4 for Christ is the end of the law to righteousness to everyone who believes. However if you look at the greek word telos it means aim/purpose so a proper translation would be for Christ is the aim of the law not the end of it. because as it is written in revelation 22:14 blessed are they that do his commandments that they may have right to the tree of life and may enter in through the gates into the city so according to scripture and not a mans doctrine we must keep the commandments to enter heaven. as paul also wrote in Romans 2:12-13 And as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law for not the hearers of the law are just before God but the doers of the law shall be justified.
'Bring no more vain oblations;incense is an abomination unto me;the new moons and sabbaths,the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with;it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth:they are a trouble unto me;I am weary to bear them. And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you;yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear:your hands are full of blood ." (Isaiah 6:8-10)
Ruth, God hated THEIR new moons and Sabbaths, not HIS! They had turned what they were doing into an abomination... God wants us to worship in SPIRIT and in TRUTH!
Is.1:13-18
I posted a long comment recently, but I want to use this thread to tackle some misconceptions. First off Jew does not equal Israel. There are many Atheists that are Jewish, and many that reject Jesus as Messiah. These are broken branches. I'm not boasting against them, but merely stating facts. If they repent and turn to Jesus they can be grafted in again, and I want that for everyone. Second, Gentile is not a people group per se. It means Nations, and is sometimes interpreted as heathen. Gentiles are all of the people outside of God's Holy People. They can be grafted in as per Romans 11, and they become part of Israel as per Ephesians 2. Paul was sent to the gentiles to show them how they can be brought near, or come in. Third, I want to focus on Torah observance for salvation. I've heard many "teachers" saying that Torah observant people think that Torah keeping is a salvational issue. It is very much so. I will portray this using tactics that modern Christians use. "Is murder without repentance a salvational issue? I would say so. Oh then you believe that by not murdering, you can earn your own salvation! Nope. Well then murder isn't a salvational issue?" You see; murder without repentance excludes you from entering the Kingdom. Refraining from murder is obedience to God's command, but it doesn't take away your other past sins. The only thing that can remove sin is the blood of Jesus. That doesn't give us license to sin anytime we want but offers grace when we make a mistake. Keeping God's commands is most definitely a salvation issue, but none can keep it perfectly. Jesus did keep it perfectly, but that doesn't mean He kept every single command. He was not a woman and so those laws did not apply to Him. In modern society, I am not expected to weigh my truck at weigh stations because I am not a commercial truck driver. God had laws for farmers that do not apply to us if we aren't farmers. There were laws specifically for Kings. There were some only for Priests. Many people do not understand this because they glaze over the OT thinking it's not for them. This is what we have been taught by men. Should we go back to stoning people? If there were judges in the city gate judging according to God's law, then yes we should. Without righteous judges as Moses prescribed, then stoning is not valid. That doesn't invalidate the rest of God's Word. I get that the producer of this video is against the hypocrites of the HR movement judging people based on the pronunciation of God's name or condemning people to hell. I am against this too. I am not attacking this man, because I love him. I disagree wholeheartedly with alot of what he says, but I would give my sight so that he could see the Truth. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way, and many will see the Truth and still reject it. Back to my points. Third is that many in the Torah observance area are new in their walk, and some are overly zealous. Lumping them all together is just trying to make a new denomination out of a bunch of people waking up to the Truth. The Truth is the Word of God. Not the early church fathers, or any other opinion of men. My doctrine is that of my Master's, and His was from The Father. Look no further than scripture for your doctrine. It's fine to hear opinions and parables about how to love others, but test EVERYTHING to Scripture. Pastors are supposed to feed the sheep, not indoctrinate them. The Word is the food, but their own traditions from the pulpit will have you eating amongst the pigs. Repent, and the Father will welcome you with open arms.
Bless you for the Lord has given you eyes that see and ears that hear. I agree about the overzealous part, I was the same way when the Lord saved me and showed me these things. I was praying for truth and God opened my eyes and what I saw was so beautiful I couldn't help but try and tell everyone! I thought that my fellow christians would be excited about the news of God's Holy days and what they mean, but I was not met with that reaction at all... And maybe I was too outwardly excited idk.
I am a lot more balanced now, and just pray that the Lord balances my tongue because on my own I cannot tame it.
As Paul said, "I become all things to all people". Meaning I must learn to speak their language to be understandable. I can't just spring all of this foreign knowledge onto people without laying agreeable foundations with them.
And, there is no hell in Genesis!
Being saved does NOT make you a Jew! Do not forget that the Jews were chosen by Jahwe as His people since Abraham. We as gentiles are saved by the Fathers grace and Jesus' blood. I cannot believe we are now Jewish and should keep all the laws laid down centuries ago for the Jews. The commandments are general and a lot of the other laws common sense, but they were instituted for God's favourite people - to keep them seperate.
What about Jesus saying "If ye love me, keep my commandments. He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him." I know we don't have to but are we supposed to? I'm genuinely confused
It's not the Law of Moses....it's the Law and the PROPHETS, and the weightier matters of the law "mercy and judgement" plus all is not fulfilled yet.
What Law was Abraham under? Isaac? Jacob? Jospeh?
Christ said He fulfilled the Law.
The tithing was for the Levites so that they could live. Levites are Hebrew, how does that Scripture from Malachi apply today to Gentiles?!?!
You lost me at 10:00 saying that the Apostles didn't see a need to keep the Sabbath. You should keep the Sabbath (they kept the command) commandment #4 because you (are saved) (not to be saved) It's a commandment that shows WHO you are worshiping. Are you worshipping the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob or some new hip god that we can do anything. be homosexuals, adulterers, or murders go down the list there are10? Which ones should we throw out? Christianity in my opinion is to blame for the shape of the world today. If you throw out one of God's commands you are in essence throwing them all out, so how can you say to the homosexual that their sin Is not to be judged, or the adulterer, Or the murderer? if you can plan weekly on breaking the 4th commandment. So Sin runs rampant In the world today, with no checks and balances. God's law still stands. And we are paying the price. It is the Law of the sacrificial priesthood that changed (Jesus Changed)through his death taking away the penalty we deserve and receiving that penalty unto himself Nailing" IT" "OUR PENALTY" to the cross not doing away with the command.
Thanks, mrclay! I hear what you're saying. One big difference between the Sabbath and sexual immorality is that all of the laws against sexual immorality, adultery, and murder are repeated in the New Testament, but for some reason the commandment to keep the Sabbath is not.
Shalom,
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots there are a lot of commands that were not repeated in the New Testament.
There was no need to repeat them all because we already have them all. Yeshua didnt say he was changing anything and only repeating the ones he wanted us to keep.
we have to remember also, that there was no New Testament for hundreds of years after Yeshua, so there would have only been Old Testaments at that time for many years.
@@TheBiblicalRoots Luke 4:16
King James Version
16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Acts 17:2
“And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,”
King James Version (KJV)
There are two repeats in the New Testament need I continue?
There are huge problems of God's Providence if Hebrew roots is right. Basically, Christ did not keep his promise "to establish His Church "and the gates of hell will not prevail against it".
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Thank you so very much, Brother Rob for explaining the HRM. I came across a HRM group towards the latter part of 2018.
I'd rather not discuss my experience with the group as a whole or any individual in particular on this open forum.
One on these days, I'll send an email.
Thank you again for addressing this important subject.
May our Father Yehovah richly bless you, Brother Rob.👊
Yehovah is an incorrect translation. The name of God is translated Yahuah. Just thought you would like to know. Yehovah comes from Jews who are not Hebrews and deny Christ and are actually forbidden to say Gods real name anyway according their own doctrine.
We are to be followers of Paul
Well, he did say "Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ" (1 Cor 11:1).
;-)
R.
@@TheBiblicalRoots 100!
I used to believe like you do. This is ignorance. Jesus showed us how to keep the Torah he didn’t say “Depart from me you workers of LAWlessness” for a reason.
No he didn't. He came to fulfill. He worked sabbath, didn't stone the woman, the pharisees wanted to judge him for not keeping the laws. The laws didn't make him sinless. They were added because of transgressions
Clement wasn't fallible.
yes, we were tricked. Easter, xmas, sun-day worship. the adversary will provide enough shiny substitutes to pull one away from the simple truth of the word.
Hey, Mike! Where do you see the Word speaking out against Easter or Christmas or Sunday gatherings?
@@TheBiblicalRoots for starters... why do you think it is called "easter"? why the bunny rabbits and eggs? it is stolen from pagan fertility rituals, and worship of "ishtar". in the book of Esther, why do you think Hadassah changer her name to "esther"?
@@disciplemike1 Hey, Mike! Here's a video I did explaining why the Christian celebration of Easter is not a pagan holiday. th-cam.com/video/By1RTmNopKc/w-d-xo.html
My current study is from the actual words of Yeshua The Messiah of Nazareth.
“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. “For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
- Matthew 5:17-20
Now, Paul said we don't need to follow the law to be saved.
Yet if you want to be Great in heaven. You are too follow the Law of Moses.
Look at what Yeshua said to the Rich Man.
I'll let you study that.
Now, in my studying, Yeshua Himself always followed The Law of Moses.
If We are to be like Yeshua, or attempt to live as HE did. We should follow the Law of Moses
Galatians 4:4...when the fullness of time came, God sent His son to deliver those who are under the law
“Teaching them to observe ALL things that [I] have commanded you” Matthew 28:20
Jesus speaking, not Moses
The Law=Torah that Elohim give Moses, Elohim"s Torah.
Hi, Karl. Technically the Law of Moses is a different thing than the Torah. The Torah (which is the "Ta" in the Hebrew word "TaNaKh") includes Genesis, which does not contain the Law of Moses. Best, Rob
So if moses didn't get the God's Instructions from God, where did he get from? Do you Pharisees had their own oral rules, the Talmud. Yahushua-Jesus, you put your traditions far above my Father's Commandments, they put fences round the Torah. Why are Pigs, seafood, birds of prey, rats, dogs, bat's, rats, bat's, because they eat anything. A pig would eat a human and its own Fetuses. Cabbage truck. A pig is a dirty animal. A really does make sense that tell not eat something, then say its OK, which I really don't God would change He said, misunderstanding. The Maccabees revolt. The Ancient Greek sacrifice pigs Jewish temple to desecrate it.. So why would want desecrate the temple of the Holy Spirit, my body. The Levitual Priesthood is done away with, we have no to Sacrifice bulls and goats, because we Yahushua Hamashiyach who saved us from sins.
@@TheBiblicalRoots Mal 3v6 Elohim does not change.
God said, I divorced Israel because of all her adulteries." (Jeremiah 3:8)
Divorce means no more connection. Divorce means permanent separation.
This means that the covenant made between God and Israel is over.Jesus Christ is the New Covenant God established with the world beginning from Israel.
Matt 5vs17 18 19 20, 17.Think Not that I come to destroy the Law(Torah) or the Prophets, I did Not come to destroy, But to fulfill. (Is 42v21. Yahuwah is delighted for His Righteousness' sake; He will magnify the Torah and make it honorable) . 18. Truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, In No way shall one Yod or one stroke pass from the Torah until all comes to pass. (Haves heaven and earth pass away yet?) 19. Therefore, whoever breaks one these Commandments, the least and shall teach men so, he shall be called the worst in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever does and teaches them, this one shall be call called Great in the Kingdom of heaven. (Eternal Judgment, are you sure you are teaching the whole Truth Jake? 1 John 3v4 Everyone practicing Sin(not say you are) also practices Lawlessness, and Sin is the breaking of Torah. Breaking YAH's laws) . 20. For I say to you, if your Righteousness shall not exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall not enter into the kingdom of YAHUWAH, never! ( the Pharisees strictly kept their oral traditions above Torah. They put their traditions before Torah, as Yahushua - Jesus said, you put your traditions far above my father's Commandments. All I'm saying Teachers will held more accountable for what they Teach. Be wise and discerning.
Here is something really cool to ponder, Karl. You quoted Jesus in Matt 5 teaching that not one "yod or stroke" will pass from the Law until all is accomplished (Matt 5:17-20). Those words were spoken before His crucifixion. Did you know that later, after His resurrection, Jesus told His disciples that all had been accomplished and they were witnesses to it? (Luke 24:44:48).
@@TheBiblicalRoots he said till new heaven and earth.
@@TheBiblicalRoots also why would he get rid of feasts just to bring it back in the 1000 year reign
@@codyalexander3290 Hi, Cody. Who said He got rid of the feasts? They were not prohibited.
@@TheBiblicalRoots modern Christianity has embraced Easter and Halloween and Christmas but don’t follow the real holidays.
The error of the Christian faith- ignored the influence of Eusebius. Falsified fantastic story about Emperor Constantine who wasn’t even Christian. Took Sabbath keeping Christians and under the threat of death ( Council of Nicea ), changed the Sabbath to the first day- Sunday. He also extended Jesus earthly ministry from one year to three years which the early Church Fathers never did. Either for lack of knowledge, or an intense antisemite bias, Eusebius also concocted the ruse that Jesus rose from the dead on Sunday - ignoring Jesus only sign he gave the Pharisees: after three days AND three nights he would be raised. This fits the faith to the modern calendar that teaches us the Roman gods which the days of the week are named after. So in one influential character, you have an individual who, like Marcion, totally went against God’s Word. This whole perspective is faulty, in that it starts with humanity instead of starting with God. All of the commandments have one basis- relationship. I (God) am holy and you, whom I rescued from Egypt must be holy. The judgments in the Prophets ar relational too- that his people may KNOW him. Christian theology has a fatal soteriology based on this rejecting the Law. Because salvation is of God’s grace, it all,stops right there- nothing else matters. Scripturally, God graciously saves us to learn his holiness and to honor his commandments. When Jesus came to be baptized, the explanation he gave his cousin was. It is necessary to fulfill all righteousness. In plain language, I must DO this to obey my own commandments. This concept is lost to modern Christianity.
It can only be a problem for you because of your trinity theology. Because of it you see Yeshua and God of Old Testament as different personalities with different opinions.
You are the one who fall short. Read below with a humble heart. If not, you will not understand it.
It was sent to the Jewish people who teach the Law of Moses:
First of all I want to introduce myself to you. The Lord God called me the daughter of Zion because I teach the Gospel of Lord Jesus, the Lord of hosts, based on the Law and Prophets and the Testimony of Christ, and I was born in Mount Zion. Based on the prophecy Mount Zion, Heavenly Jerusalem, is called the Kingdom of God. Lord Jesus said Mount Zion was used to be in Israel. When the Jews rejected His teaching, the Holy Father took His Kingdom from Israel and gave to the other nation that will give the fruits to it. Holy prophets prophesied the salvation of God will be split in two. One will come from the east and the other in the west. Mount Zion is relocated in the east, and Israel stays in the west. Isaiah prophesied Mount Zion is called the place of feet of God, a holy place where He will stand at His coming to judge the world in righteousness and in truth.
Psalm 78:67-69
Moreover He rejected the tent of Joseph, and did not choose the tribe of Ephraim, but chose the tribe of Judah, Mount Zion which He loved. And He built His sanctuary like the heights, like the earth which He has established forever.
Isaiah 60:13
The glory of Lebanon shall come to you, the cypress, the pine, and the box tree together, to beautify the place of My sanctuary; And I will make the place of My feet glorious.
Matthew 21:43-45
Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. And whoever falls on this stone will be broken; but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder. Now when the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they perceived that He was speaking of them.
There is only one island in the world has the shape of a man’s foot. It is Negros island, Philippines; This country is located in the far east Asia, a place also where I was born. The Lord God said in the prophecy He will not give His praise to the pagans. People who will rebuild Mount Zion are not pagans; They came from the tribe of Judah, my root. We are called the children of Zion. Here is the history why the tribe of Judah ended up in Asia. After the Lord Jesus ascended to Heaven, the children of Israel and children of Zion scattered in the four corners of the earth and the country Israel was desolate for almost 2000 years.
Luke 13:35
See! Your house is left to you desolate; and assuredly, I say to you, you shall not see Me until the time comes when you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’
One of the country that they migrated and mingled through marriages was Spain, a place where my ancestors came from. Then they went to colonize Philippines. Many of the Jews went to Europe where they were left few in number as it is written in the Books of Moses.
Deuteronomy 4:27+29
And the Lord will scatter you among the peoples, and you will be left few in number among the nations where the Lord will drive you. And there you will serve gods, the work of men’s hands, wood and stone, which neither see nor hear nor eat nor smell. But from there you will seek the Lord your God, and you will find Him if you seek Him with all your heart and with all your soul.
Now that you know about me, let me tell you the purpose of the Jews and children of Zion in the world of Gentiles. Based on the words of God the earth will become the Kingdom of God. You know what that means when the Lord God turns the earth into His Kingdom, it has to be holy as Him. For it is written God is holy and those who want to serve Him must be holy. The world is filled with people who have uncircumcised hearts; They worship graven images, love all sorts of celebrations, prideful and envious. They are like an untrained bull. The words of God said people who behave as such cannot enter the Kingdom of God, and this mean they will be destroyed just as in the days of Noah or in the cities of Sodom and Gommorah. The Book of Ezekiel said He is a God who has no pleasure when one dies. He called Abraham, Isaac and Jacob to establish His Kingdom on earth. The purpose of building the country Israel is to give the Gentile nations a chance to learn His truth, their purpose on earth and living holy life. He sent Moses and His prophets to teach them holy life on the basis of obedience to the Law of Moses
Romans 3:1-2
What advantage then has the Jew, or what is the profit of circumcision? Much in every way! Chiefly because to them were committed the oracles of God.
The Law of Moses is not just a law but the foundation of the government rule of God, righteousness, justice and a way of life to live by in order to obtain eternal life. Eternal life that the Lord God is talking about is a life without physical death. Because no one can obey it perfectly, the Jews whom the Lord God appointed teachers of righteousness or the Law of Moses sinned and also condemned.
Ecclesiastes 7:20
For there is not a just man on earth who does good and does not sin.
Romans 2:17-24
Indeed you are called a Jew, and rest on the law, and make your boast in God, and know His will, and approve the things that are excellent, being instructed out of the law, and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, having the form of knowledge and truth in the law. You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal? You who say, “Do not commit adultery,” do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? You who make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the law? For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” as it is written.
You can read in the Books of Samuel, when king Saul transgressed God’s holy commandment, he became more evil. He envied and wanted to kill king David. So transgressing the Law of Moses will make one unclean. That is what happened with the Jewish nation. They are also as unclean as the Gentiles. Lord Jesus came to save the Jews from condemnation and Hell for sinning against His Law. Here is the summary of the salvation of God; The work of the Law of Moses is to wash the Jews and Gentiles from paganism, while the work of the salvation of the Lord Jesus is to wash their hearts from iniquities such as pride, envy and lies that came from transgressing the Law of Moses. True salvation of God must come with three teachings: Law of Moses, Prophets and the Testimony of the Lord Jesus. Based on the Testimony of the Lord Jesus and Paul, Gentiles have no part of the Kingdom of God or called the children of God unless they are first tutored by the Law of Moses.
Matthew 15:22-26
And behold, a woman of Canaan came from that region and cried out to Him, saying, “Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David! My daughter is severely demon-possessed.” But He answered her not a word. And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, “Send her away, for she cries out after us.” But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!” But He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the little dogs.”
Galatians 3:24
Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
The Book of Daniel prophesied there will be a time when the Gentiles will rise up and rule the world. They entered into the country Israel and changed the everlasting ordinance of God from the Law of Moses into democracy that came from Greek gods. They are teaching the people to use their freedom to do whatever they want. That is how the country Israel become defiled with the sins of the Gentiles. As you can see pagan priests have freedom to march with their carved images “abominations” in the streets of Jerusalem. The worse thing is their religions are perverting the teaching of Lord Jesus and Paul; They said they are no longer under the Law of Moses, and they do it in the name of Christ. Lord Jesus said when you see these abominations of desolation spoken by Daniel you must flee because the Lord God will take vengeance for rejecting His Law.
Jeremiah 6:19
Hear, O earth! Behold, I will certainly bring calamity on this people- The fruit of their thoughts, because they have not heeded My words nor My Law, but rejected it.
Mark 13:14
So when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not” (let the reader understand), “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the Law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the Law.
Let those who can understand the writing of the Spirit and the bride come.
Lord God of hosts, Holy Father
Lord of hosts, Lord Jesus
The Spirit and the bride
Mount Zion, Heavenly Jerusalem
Gabriel, an angel of the Lord
I was just meditating on these very concepts this morning after reading most of Jeremiah in one sitting.
The night that the Holy Spirit came upon me 4 years ago, God gave me insight into my mission for Him. I am one of the weeping women in mentioned in Jeremiah.
The night that Jesus saved me, He told me through the prophet Jeremiah that:
An abhorrent and terrible thing has happened in the land!
The prophets prophesy falsely,
And the priests rule on their own authority,
And My people love it so!
But what will *you* do at the end of it?
I did not know the meaning of these things at that time, all I knew was the Christianity that the world presents, and saw no issues aside from what I saw as "fringe heresies". But the Holy Spirit showed me that the majority is on the wide path leading to destruction in a dream I had... this same dream also showed me things that had not happened yet in the world 4 years ago, that have since happened, and some that are yet to unfold...
By seeking the old paths and the spirit of the Law that Jesus came to teach us, (and which was always present) I have found so much joy and peace in salvation!!
The parable of the wicked vine growers recently opened my eyes. The son has the same message as the servants before him.
The message Jesus taught was not His own but His Father who sent Him. Their Will is one and the same. The message is one at the same.
Salvation through faith leading to sanctification by grace. The law is a tutor leading to Jesus. It's a narrow path. And His burden is not heavy! The Lord is my Shepherd and my strength.
The Samaritan woman proved she was a lost sheep by her faith. So do we 😉 through Abrahams seed the whole earth has been blessed. Through Jesus, but also because of the many diasporas, (as you mentioned) we are all children of Abraham. There are only 12 gates into New Jerusalem. We all will fall into one of those gates.
Self-Righteousness / belief in the Torah’s ability to either save or obtain salvation is the Mark of The Beast.
As by word of Paul, if you observe it, the WHOLE Torah must be observed, which means every festival, every Sabbath, or anywhere a sacrifice is due, since there is no temple, one would be deeming themselves concurrently responsible for stringing Christ up over and over on the Cross in Spirit.
Not only that, but God is satisfied by Jesus Christ, there’s nothing else we can do works wise to satisfy God except Love Jesus and Love God BY example of us Loving each other,
instead of idolizing the Mosaic Law which is indeed what killed Jesus in the first place.
Jesus gave us free will, and He knew we dealt with sin beyond the study of it.
In fact, loving someTHING more than someONE, is idolatry to the image of God.
And the Torah is something that was studied and loved more than the man, Jesus.
Wisdom and Knowledge is idolatry to Spirit.
No matter how much we think we know, 99% of all knowledge has nothing to do with our own judgement capability.
Judgement reveals Spirit, and Jesus’ judgment of humanity on the Cross revealed God’s Love full blown beyond death.
BE Love.
Don’t fight against sin, but give thy judgement over to Christ.
Requiring info to avoid sin or judgment deems one spiritually incomplete, 666.
I can tell you exactly where Christianity went wrong. Acts1:2 Jesus has given commandment to the apostles he has chosen. He commanded them to wait in the upper room where abode Peter, James, John, Andrew, Philip, Thomas, Bartholomew, Matthew, James, Simon, Judas, the women and Jesus mother and brothers. Peter commands: Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection. And they prayed, and said , Thou Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, show which of these two YOU have chosen. Jesus chose Mathias. Deuteronomy 13 for the 13th false apostle. A test. If there arise among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth you a sign or a wonder. And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know wether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and all your soul. Ye shall walk in all the ways of your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve HIM, and cleave unto him. And that prophet, or dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, TO THRUST THEE OUT OF THE WAY WHICH THE LORD THY GOD COMMANDED THEE TO WALK IN. So shall thou put evil away from the midst of thee. Which is the truth as to why they wanted to stone the little liar.
Hi I have a question for you that you do not answer the question you run away with the question my question to you the Bible said very clear the Messiah coming from the House of David from the family tribe King David from the orange the fruit of the stomach of the King David you can find שמואל ב and you can find it in the book of The King David תהילים that's it very clear the Messiah will come with the body of the King David how Jesus is the messiah when he's not from the House of David who is not the seed of David like you said is God waiting to you answer thank you
Hello Nisim. Jesus _is_ from the house of David. (See Matt 1:1; Mark 12:34-36; Luke 1:32, 2:4.)
Shalom, Rob
1:54 Jesus qualified who His "friends" are which those practicing Torahism have not yet attained to "friend" status. The "no more slave" status of a "friend" accords with the allegory Paul gave in Galatians concerning Hagar and Sinai.
G4.7 (Dabhar Translation) So then you are no more a slave, but a son; but if a son, then also law-according allottee through God.
G4.24 Which any statements are allegorical; for these are the two covenants: one from Mount Sinai (Moses), letting become into SLAVERY, which any is Hagar...."
J15.15 (Dabhar Translation) No more do I say-call you SLAVE, since THE SLAVE does not perceive what his Lord does, but to you I have talked AS TO FRIENDS, since all which I heard from beside My Father, I made known to you.
So we should think about who we also talk to as "friends" 1:54 who want to still slave according to the "fleshy-inner aims" Hebrews 7.16.
Isaiah 55:11
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
This scripture throws a monkey wrench inside the whole theory that the truth about keeping God's law was kept from people for over 2000 years. Christians today do not have to keep the old covenant. Acts 15 as well as other scriptures are pretty clear about that. Jesus the Christ is the end of the law he is the fulfillment of the law, he is our Sabbath rest in God he is our Passover.