Hello, LCTuba, are you by any chance a grad of Luther College in Decorah, Iowa?? I was a tuba in Noble's band in the 1960s. I persuaded W. Noble to buy the last 3 copies ever made of the Holton-York 6/4-size tubas, exact copies of Arnold Jacobs' horn. Unfortunately, Noble (no common sense) wouldn't buy cases, so the horns kicked around unprotected for 35+ years until F. Nyline foolishly sold them to Floyd Cooley (San Fran Symph) who cut them down to CC and sold them to a municipal band in Washington state. I'll never forgive Noble & Nyline for this stupendous blunder. In 1966, the LC Band played "Sensemaya" (tuba solo) in Lincoln Center featuring Walter Passmore on the Holton-York tuba; get the recording from Luther if it is still available. Luther, by now, SHOULD have digitized all of Noble's recordings so they could make them available on CD. But you know Luther; their attitude is "Noble's dead and gone; his work no longer matters." Maybe you and some other LC grads can persuade Luther otherwise. Please reply if you are a Luther grad. Thanks.
No one has been able to produce the sound that Arnold Jacobs had. There are many marvelous tuba players today, but no one has captured the combination of power, effortless tone production, and musicality that characterized Mr. Jacob's sound.
Thanks for making this available. This was to the "legit" trombonists what "Tuttie's Trombones" was to the commercial players, shaping the sounds and expectations of many generations of trombonist to follow.
Without getting overly ‘religious’ about it, there’s something ‘sacred’ about the way this collection of legends plays Bruckner- it’s as if they are ‘singing’ his music with their instruments the way Bruckner would have wanted his motets to be sung, and of course the timbre, resonance and character, not to mention the great pitch, balance and ensemble playing, carries over into every piece they play. Brings tears to my eyes every single time I listen to this album.
@@johncanry2601 Well, this section certainly played louder and more aggressively than any section I can recall hearing since. You'd need to hear them live to make an informed comment, and I did many times. Philadelphia in the early 1980s also had a monster trombone section that was comparable to this one.
Of course, they weren't only very loud, they were also clean and their intonation was very good. Picking out an out-of-tune spot here and there is small potatoes and still a normal occurrence in professional brass sections. In person they were consistently breathtaking.
Magnificent! Thank you SO MUCH for posting this! Been looking for this since hearing excepts in an old Arnold Jacobs interview back in my college days (mid 80s)! Thanks again!
I'm afraid I don't. I'm not sure there is such a thing, and if there is, it was probably never released to the public. However, there is a good recording of the CSO doing the planets on youtube, just search for it and you should be able to find it. Jay Friedman is definitely in that section. I do have a recording of this section playing Mahler 5 with Georg Solti, though.
Philly did a recording of low brass and euphonium excerpts worth hearing. Dodson, Alesia, and Vernon are amazeballs and M Dee Stewart plays heck out of euph (tuna was meh). I appreciate CSO brass, but frankly the edginess at the upper end is a little much for me.
From left to right: Edward Kleinhammer - bass trombone; Frank Crisafulli - 2nd trombone; Arnold Jacobs - Tuba (of course); James Gilbertsen - assistant first trombone (would likely sub for Frank and Jay when needed or play 2nd trombone when four trombones were required); and Jay Friedman - principal trombone (who will retire in just a few weeks at the age of 85 - he joined the CSO in 1962 - incredible!)
These recordings were originally released on CD but you'd be hard pressed to find one nowadays. I don't think they've manufactured this CD since the 70's.
Angel Sanchez I think you can buy this CD on WindSong Press (Brian Frederikson's website). Edit: actually, I just looked, and I couldn't find it there. I'm sure I've seen it somewhere... I'll keep looking and try to remember where.
there is a euphonium in the planets excerpt, if you listen closely. but yes, orchestral low brass sections do not have euphonium full-time... that's for wind bands. what a shame
I don't know for sure. The part is probably written in alto clef, but judging by the timbre, I'd say he's probably still playing it on a tenor. Most of the trombone parts he wrote for in alto clef are still easily doable on a tenor, but this particular piece does sound pretty high.
Each to his own. I prefer the bright brassy sound to modern playing... after all they are 4th 5th and 6th trumpet... never understood the obsession with dark mellow sound.
@@steffenmrsk4720 Thats the point of these instruments, if you want a bright brash sound, trombones can play with that tone, but in a delicate piece it won’t really fit in the texture, these instruments are supposed to be able to have these different color of sounds otherwise it’s just boring.
My childhood heroes, and they still are, the very best brass section that ever existed!❤️😍
The legendary low brass organ of the CSO. Best low brass section to ever exist.
Hello, LCTuba, are you by any chance a grad of Luther College in Decorah, Iowa?? I was a tuba in Noble's band in the 1960s. I persuaded W. Noble to buy the last 3 copies ever made of the Holton-York 6/4-size tubas, exact copies of Arnold Jacobs' horn. Unfortunately, Noble (no common sense) wouldn't buy cases, so the horns kicked around unprotected for 35+ years until F. Nyline foolishly sold them to Floyd Cooley (San Fran Symph) who cut them down to CC and sold them to a municipal band in Washington state. I'll never forgive Noble & Nyline for this stupendous blunder. In 1966, the LC Band played "Sensemaya" (tuba solo) in Lincoln Center featuring Walter Passmore on the Holton-York tuba; get the recording from Luther if it is still available. Luther, by now, SHOULD have digitized all of Noble's recordings so they could make them available on CD. But you know Luther; their attitude is "Noble's dead and gone; his work no longer matters." Maybe you and some other LC grads can persuade Luther otherwise. Please reply if you are a Luther grad. Thanks.
Unfortunately, another member of this section passed away yesterday, Nov. 30th 2013. RIP, Ed Kleinhammer.
He's playing with Arnold again! :P
Respect 🫡
This album is literally a gold mine for listeners and performers alike
The end of Tannhauser is like being in brass heaven. Wonderful and probably the finest section ever assembled. Thank you so very much! Just sublime.
So glad to find this, after listening to my "copy of a copy" cassette. Let's hear it for the men in the back row!
The gold standard brass performance in 1971, yet still a desert island disc. JF admitted to superior recordings' quality in years following.
No one has been able to produce the sound that Arnold Jacobs had. There are many marvelous tuba players today, but no one has captured the combination of power, effortless tone production, and musicality that characterized Mr. Jacob's sound.
Those overtones!! Wow
Thanks for making this available. This was to the "legit" trombonists what "Tuttie's Trombones" was to the commercial players, shaping the sounds and expectations of many generations of trombonist to follow.
Without getting overly ‘religious’ about it, there’s something ‘sacred’ about the way this collection of legends plays Bruckner- it’s as if they are ‘singing’ his music with their instruments the way Bruckner would have wanted his motets to be sung, and of course the timbre, resonance and character, not to mention the great pitch, balance and ensemble playing, carries over into every piece they play. Brings tears to my eyes every single time I listen to this album.
12:57-15:00 what every low brass section should sound like
Thank you for sharing this on youtube. I could listen over and over for hours.
Listen to nothing but this for a week and see if your playing doesn’t open up tenfold,
epic doesn´t describe what they are doing : recorded without rehersals and by memory.....
saul rosa, is that true?
Word?
You don't hear trombone sections like this these days....I am sure there are some, but these guys are Legendary in the brass world. =)
@@johncanry2601 Well, this section certainly played louder and more aggressively than any section I can recall hearing since. You'd need to hear them live to make an informed comment, and I did many times. Philadelphia in the early 1980s also had a monster trombone section that was comparable to this one.
Of course, they weren't only very loud, they were also clean and their intonation was very good. Picking out an out-of-tune spot here and there is small potatoes and still a normal occurrence in professional brass sections. In person they were consistently breathtaking.
Pittsburgh in 1990's had a great section with Murray Crewe on Bass Trombone
@@bdc1117 Intonation probably helps a lot with the projection
Never seen this before. Cool. And Jay Friedman is still at it, years after the others have died.
Magnificent! Thank you SO MUCH for posting this! Been looking for this since hearing excepts in an old Arnold Jacobs interview back in my college days (mid 80s)! Thanks again!
Yeah, I'm amazed it wasn't out there sooner.
I wore this record out when I was young.
Speechless
No rehearsal???? So the stagger breathing must’ve been a well-worked habit for them. Unreal!
I'm afraid I don't. I'm not sure there is such a thing, and if there is, it was probably never released to the public. However, there is a good recording of the CSO doing the planets on youtube, just search for it and you should be able to find it. Jay Friedman is definitely in that section.
I do have a recording of this section playing Mahler 5 with Georg Solti, though.
Great stuff
They done purty good fer midwestern hilljacks.
1:07 Chord is amazing
Thanks for this
Great
True legends
These are the greatest low brass players to ever live. One day I want to be in that section. They are better than players in Asia to be honest.
Philly did a recording of low brass and euphonium excerpts worth hearing. Dodson, Alesia, and Vernon are amazeballs and M Dee Stewart plays heck out of euph (tuna was meh).
I appreciate CSO brass, but frankly the edginess at the upper end is a little much for me.
Is this on iTunes???
Trying to play the Faust on a Bb tuba....help😥
nice
12:57
Christiansen Expressway
Do you have a planets recording with the same players?
4:50
Anybody know who's playing what part?
From left to right: Edward Kleinhammer - bass trombone; Frank Crisafulli - 2nd trombone; Arnold Jacobs - Tuba (of course); James Gilbertsen - assistant first trombone (would likely sub for Frank and Jay when needed or play 2nd trombone when four trombones were required); and Jay Friedman - principal trombone (who will retire in just a few weeks at the age of 85 - he joined the CSO in 1962 - incredible!)
@@theadventurousgeezer thank you very much!
Vivianne Harbors
Alessandro Junctions
Kertzmann Branch
Are these recordings sold as CD's by any chance?
These recordings were originally released on CD but you'd be hard pressed to find one nowadays. I don't think they've manufactured this CD since the 70's.
+MastodonRockss i hate when that happens, o well thanks anyway! at least i got this link
MastodonRockss CD wasn't invented until 1994*
Angel Sanchez I think you can buy this CD on WindSong Press (Brian Frederikson's website).
Edit: actually, I just looked, and I couldn't find it there. I'm sure I've seen it somewhere... I'll keep looking and try to remember where.
CD’s nutz
Clark Squares
No euphonium? 😥
No euph in orchestra. Only sometimes.
there is a euphonium in the planets excerpt, if you listen closely. but yes, orchestral low brass sections do not have euphonium full-time... that's for wind bands. what a shame
I wish euphoniums were in orchestra
Is there an alto trombone in the last excerpt?
I don't know for sure. The part is probably written in alto clef, but judging by the timbre, I'd say he's probably still playing it on a tenor. Most of the trombone parts he wrote for in alto clef are still easily doable on a tenor, but this particular piece does sound pretty high.
The timbre seemed me too light and brilliant to be a tenor, but I couldn't know. Thanks for the answer :)
Fabrizio Monticelli
Mmm, you could be right, it's hard to tell. But yeah, no knowing for sure. Maybe ask Jay Friedman.
+Fabrizio Monticelli Probably not in 1971, alto trombone wasn't really in vogue back then.
I've asked Jay Friedman and he confirmed that was a tenor. You thought right
Unfortunately no conductor in the world would take it at that tempo.
To which piece?
Wagner
@@adhanda2017 How would you know that?
OK you win. I haven't heard anyone play it that slow..
They have the bright brash sound but I prefer the darker mellower sound of the Vienna lower brass......
Each to his own. I prefer the bright brassy sound to modern playing... after all they are 4th 5th and 6th trumpet... never understood the obsession with dark mellow sound.
@@steffenmrsk4720 tuba:
CSO recorded fountains of rome and so did Vienna, At times, I like Vienna’s darker mellower sound but at times I like CSO.
@@steffenmrsk4720 Thats the point of these instruments, if you want a bright brash sound, trombones can play with that tone, but in a delicate piece it won’t really fit in the texture, these instruments are supposed to be able to have these different color of sounds otherwise it’s just boring.