This is the channel I've been looking for. People need to understand that there is a huge crowd that takes sound very seriously. Appreciate the honesty. Just got the base burmeister on my AMG and it's do underwhelming and boring, definitely going to swap the car for one with the high end, no sub is a no go
I am same. The best car I had was the audi S8 plus with the bang and Olufsen sound system with the tweets that pops out from the dash. To me that car had the best sound system which I didn’t found anywhere in mercedes or bmw or any other car.
I want to thank you for not just playing one song, but multiple genres. I am buying a car with a burmister and this helps alot for seeing the quality and how it plays songs
Thank you for this review! was very much expecting it to be at least A tier since its a Burmester and the option box says ~5k. one would expect it to hit at least your A tier, but with the videos of your tier list you definitely have some weight behind what's solid and not. you make great points and thanks for not hyping it up and giving it the brutal honesty. much appreciated. This is why i come here. thanks brother! keep them coming
It has been determined that neutral flat pure settings are not optimal. “Live” is. Seven of us have tested this in our 718’s. We are not sure why they did that but it is A tier if so.
I think the system deserves more then B tier. At least To me A tier, it’s sounds sooo much better in person TH-cam just compress the crap out these amazing Video. To the people who wanna hear this amazing sound system just go to your nearest Porsche dealership ask them to try it it’s completely Free.
Could you please do a Burmester review on the 718 Cayman or Boxster or GT4 or Spyder? I've seen your Bose review and would love to compare to a Burmester review. I'm debating between both options. I'd LOVE for you to do the review in a Boxster or Spyder to give your impressions on if the extra 3k over the Bose system is money well spent given all the ambient noises of a soft top convertible. Thanks!
Did you remember hearing a high pitch noise in between audio/ music transitions? My Macan’s Burmester has an unusual pitch that I haven’t heard in any other systems
So many videos and people just don't understand what you just did... before you make a huge video on anything, you get out, and show the external vehicle. Absolutely perfect! Well done! I'm here to decide if I'll order the Bermester in my Macan GTS. What do you think. Spend the extra money? If it is anything better than the Bose I want to do it. Thanks!
Thanks! Here's what I said to someone asking me the exact same question (Burmester in Macan). If you value music and do a lot of driving, I would go for it. Burmester has a good reputation. However, our ears adapt to any audio source after 20 minutes, so I’m sure the Bose will be fine if you don’t drive for long distances often. Remember, you could outfit your home with a few thousand dollars worth of audio equipment for the price of that Burmester. Or purchase top of the line headphones for yourself and your family. So where do you spend more time listening to music?
@@DailyMotor I already have the best system (I can afford) in my home and I am happy I did it. I do spend a lot of time in my car and I think I would regret not going for the Bermester. My laptop computer speakers are Bose and they are perfect for their job but my OCD is triggered by a USA designed speaker system in a German designed car. I'm sure the Bose is a good system. Almost any system can be good if you put enough speakers in the space. But this is one of those topics where you would regret it if you didn't do it. If it were a GT3 (and you can't get the Bermester in the GT3) I would not mind as I really don't think the doors are possible of as much as the Macan doors are for speaker cabinets and the GT3 is purely about the driving experience. The Macan will be an everyday driver. Thank you for the reply! Bermester it is!
I would want to plug in my DAP playing CD quality FLACs, probably using a balanced 4.4mm jack. But I'm guessing these folk at Porsche haven't thought about such things...
Great review ! Would you recommend just going with the Bose sound system on a 911 or do you feel the Burmester is worth the cost over the Bose ? Thanks
I heard a salesman from Porsche say he would never recommend getting a Burmester on 911s or 718s period. They just don't have the sound deadening material to keep out highway sounds due to the need to keep them lighter weight. He did recommend Burmester on Panamera, Taycan, Macan, and Cayenne vehicles. I drive a Miata with Bose sound system. It sounds great in town and awful on the highway and that car has no sound deadening material of any kind. Personally, high end speakers are never worth it on sports cars.
I have this in my 911 and find it very underwhelming for the price. Unfortunately I have to agree it’s B tier. At best. It’s missing Android because Porsche could not come to business terms with Google to license it.
I dont think that it sounds better in the Panamera, ore Cayenne because more highs and more bass is the tuning that the non-audiophile mainstream wants and some hifi freaks also like sounded speakers. A B&W 802 D 4 doesn't sound linear either and yet people pay 30,000 for it. I like neural speakers. Nubert, studio monitors such as Strauss Elektroakustik and others. Burmester is not a really popular brand among people who really know something, simply because they are incredibly expensive. There are much more down-to-earth manufacturers. I say that for 10,000 euros you can get almost perfect speakers for the living room (not the car) and Burmester is just getting started. In my opinion, this is no longer serious. The too much treble and the increased bass around 80 - 100 Hz have nothing to do with the acoustics of the vehicle, but that is probably intentional, because thats is what the broad mass wants to listen to. Almost all boxes are tuned this way. Neutral hearing is something you first have to learn or get used to. Most listeners are "messed up" by the dishonest tuning of their loudspeakers, which is why they build into a car what the masses know and think is good
I own a 718 with the Bose and owned a 981 with the Sound Package Plus. I am a big HiFi fan when it comes to my home system, headphones, iems, etc. To be honest, especially when going for the GTS 4.0, I would not spend the money for the Burmester. Maybe not even the Bose. The Cayman is not a quiet car, so that makes proper listening challenging in itself and if you’ve got such a beautiful engine as the 4.0, listen to that. For podcasts and occasional radio use the standard system or the Bose is more than good enough. If we are talking about a Taycan/Panamera/Cayenne I’d consider the Burmester. But even there: If you are willing to go aftermarket, you can find better quality for the price difference between the Bose and Burmester.
Burmester sounds like crap. The budget for the equipment was a couple of hundred euros maximum. Remove the door trim and you will see cheap acoustics. No acoustic preparation. Look at the amplifier. This is an anecdote.
I tried the Burmester on the Merc C300 AMG and it was super underwhelming. The Audi with their Bang & Olufsen audio system blows Burmester out of the water. Burmester doesn't even come close to what actual premium audio is...to wit, check out Bowers and Wilkins. That to me is the king of all premium audio!
are you comparing a standard burmester to an high end b&o system? I tell you what b&o isn't that great actually either. Go check out an e63 amg with high end burmester and how much bass that thing pushes.
Considering that perfection is Porsche's actual standard--Rolls Royce truly being the other in my opinion--if the Bermeister system isn't great, I'm going to be really disappointed. Especially with the amount they charge for extras. I read that the back speaker are the same regardless of the system you buy and that floored me. Porsche, you can't claim to be the best car in the world and do that stuff. I know that's a high bar but they set it there and need to be judged accordingly. I'm $32k away from buying my first Porsche ever, and brand new from the factory no less. I've been saving on the side for 21 years. It's a Turbo S at 269k. A lot of that is the near 20k paint job. I'm arranging it so that the day I retire (52), I'm driving it for the first time on the way home. Then I'm going to sit in my garage in it in the dark for several hours just taking in the smell, the seats, the sound system, the beauty, go to bed (if possible), drop my Niece of at her High School (it's her dream), and then drive it until the rubber falls off. Here's the best thing: I'm giving it to her when I either get too old or die. My Son passed away when he was 1 so I have no one heirs except my Siblings. I can't wait. Cheers
This is the channel I've been looking for. People need to understand that there is a huge crowd that takes sound very seriously. Appreciate the honesty. Just got the base burmeister on my AMG and it's do underwhelming and boring, definitely going to swap the car for one with the high end, no sub is a no go
I am same. The best car I had was the audi S8 plus with the bang and Olufsen sound system with the tweets that pops out from the dash. To me that car had the best sound system which I didn’t found anywhere in mercedes or bmw or any other car.
I love these audio tests, it does matter for audiophiles !!! THANKS!
I want to thank you for not just playing one song, but multiple genres. I am buying a car with a burmister and this helps alot for seeing the quality and how it plays songs
Thank you for this review! was very much expecting it to be at least A tier since its a Burmester and the option box says ~5k. one would expect it to hit at least your A tier, but with the videos of your tier list you definitely have some weight behind what's solid and not. you make great points and thanks for not hyping it up and giving it the brutal honesty. much appreciated. This is why i come here. thanks brother! keep them coming
unfortunately the burmester doesn't sounds as good as in the panamera or cayenne. Save your money if you're getting a 992
thats right, also with a sports car like 911 you drive with window down 80% of the time anyways@@mortensenvick5711
It has been determined that neutral flat pure settings are not optimal. “Live” is. Seven of us have tested this in our 718’s. We are not sure why they did that but it is A tier if so.
does the Bose have that same option?
@@malthus101 nope
I think the system deserves more then B tier. At least To me A tier, it’s sounds sooo much better in person TH-cam just compress the crap out these amazing Video. To the people who wanna hear this amazing sound system just go to your nearest Porsche dealership ask them to try it it’s completely Free.
The Porsche Panamera have better sound stages then the 911 tbh I like that wide sound it’s like hearing a great open back headphones.
I'm sure the Panamera is A or S tier. You also have to remember we test at 70 mph, so the 911 has much more road noise to fight.
@@DailyMotor Thanks hope you check out the Panamera or the Naim Audio System in the Bentley Continental GT it would be awesome.
@@DailyMotor you should test it at 200 mph while smushing a meat thermometer through your ear canal to be more accurate. Jeez wtf
@@doriangray2347 ....what?
Could you please do a Burmester review on the 718 Cayman or Boxster or GT4 or Spyder? I've seen your Bose review and would love to compare to a Burmester review. I'm debating between both options. I'd LOVE for you to do the review in a Boxster or Spyder to give your impressions on if the extra 3k over the Bose system is money well spent given all the ambient noises of a soft top convertible. Thanks!
I just optioned the Burmester. I think if I got the Bose I'd be wishing I'd just upgraded and it would eat at me.
Nice video buddy thanks for putting in the thumbnail how many speakers 13! That's quite a bit and Porsche did good job with that
Great video, I was vibing to the lo-fi/Chill music @8:37 😎 definitely looking forward to buying this car!
Did you remember hearing a high pitch noise in between audio/ music transitions? My Macan’s Burmester has an unusual pitch that I haven’t heard in any other systems
Bro, you need to turn down the bass a little. Overall, I do feel the music for this system. Definitely, A TIER
So many videos and people just don't understand what you just did... before you make a huge video on anything, you get out, and show the external vehicle. Absolutely perfect! Well done! I'm here to decide if I'll order the Bermester in my Macan GTS. What do you think. Spend the extra money? If it is anything better than the Bose I want to do it. Thanks!
Thanks! Here's what I said to someone asking me the exact same question (Burmester in Macan). If you value music and do a lot of driving, I would go for it. Burmester has a good reputation. However, our ears adapt to any audio source after 20 minutes, so I’m sure the Bose will be fine if you don’t drive for long distances often. Remember, you could outfit your home with a few thousand dollars worth of audio equipment for the price of that Burmester. Or purchase top of the line headphones for yourself and your family. So where do you spend more time listening to music?
@@DailyMotor I already have the best system (I can afford) in my home and I am happy I did it. I do spend a lot of time in my car and I think I would regret not going for the Bermester. My laptop computer speakers are Bose and they are perfect for their job but my OCD is triggered by a USA designed speaker system in a German designed car. I'm sure the Bose is a good system. Almost any system can be good if you put enough speakers in the space. But this is one of those topics where you would regret it if you didn't do it. If it were a GT3 (and you can't get the Bermester in the GT3) I would not mind as I really don't think the doors are possible of as much as the Macan doors are for speaker cabinets and the GT3 is purely about the driving experience. The Macan will be an everyday driver. Thank you for the reply! Bermester it is!
I would want to plug in my DAP playing CD quality FLACs, probably using a balanced 4.4mm jack. But I'm guessing these folk at Porsche haven't thought about such things...
Bass and Treble adjustment only on this premium system? come on Porsche :(
Oh b tier, I expected more
Great review ! Would you recommend just going with the Bose sound system on a 911 or do you feel the Burmester is worth the cost over the Bose ? Thanks
I heard a salesman from Porsche say he would never recommend getting a Burmester on 911s or 718s period. They just don't have the sound deadening material to keep out highway sounds due to the need to keep them lighter weight. He did recommend Burmester on Panamera, Taycan, Macan, and Cayenne vehicles. I drive a Miata with Bose sound system. It sounds great in town and awful on the highway and that car has no sound deadening material of any kind. Personally, high end speakers are never worth it on sports cars.
@@AarmOZ84 interesting...
good job bro
Beautiful car!
Please, Audi Q3 Sportback sound test
Is it worth the money? comparing to Bose?
I would say so.
What rank would you give the New R8 Bang & Olufsen and how does it compare to the 992 Turbo S Burmester?
@Daily Motor, what tier would you place the C8's system at?
A
I have this in my 911 and find it very underwhelming for the price. Unfortunately I have to agree it’s B tier. At best. It’s missing Android because Porsche could not come to business terms with Google to license it.
PCM 6.0 is unlocking it, go to your PC to do the update
I can hear the tires even with the stereo on. LOL
911 is just a sports car first and a luxury car second.
I dont think that it sounds better in the Panamera, ore Cayenne because more highs and more bass is the tuning that the non-audiophile mainstream wants and some hifi freaks also like sounded speakers. A B&W 802 D 4 doesn't sound linear either and yet people pay 30,000 for it. I like neural speakers. Nubert, studio monitors such as Strauss Elektroakustik and others. Burmester is not a really popular brand among people who really know something, simply because they are incredibly expensive. There are much more down-to-earth manufacturers. I say that for 10,000 euros you can get almost perfect speakers for the living room (not the car) and Burmester is just getting started. In my opinion, this is no longer serious.
The too much treble and the increased bass around 80 - 100 Hz have nothing to do with the acoustics of the vehicle, but that is probably intentional, because thats is what the broad mass wants to listen to. Almost all boxes are tuned this way. Neutral hearing is something you first have to learn or get used to. Most listeners are "messed up" by the dishonest tuning of their loudspeakers, which is why they build into a car what the masses know and think is good
Have you tried the Bose system and if so, is it better than the Burmester?
I own a 718 with the Bose and owned a 981 with the Sound Package Plus. I am a big HiFi fan when it comes to my home system, headphones, iems, etc. To be honest, especially when going for the GTS 4.0, I would not spend the money for the Burmester. Maybe not even the Bose. The Cayman is not a quiet car, so that makes proper listening challenging in itself and if you’ve got such a beautiful engine as the 4.0, listen to that. For podcasts and occasional radio use the standard system or the Bose is more than good enough. If we are talking about a Taycan/Panamera/Cayenne I’d consider the Burmester. But even there: If you are willing to go aftermarket, you can find better quality for the price difference between the Bose and Burmester.
Has anyone installed aftermarket subwoofer to their Porsche? Thinking about doing it with mine
It's not about android, it's about sound quality, after market systems can produce A grade sound dude
like what? thx
omg bass...
Burmester sounds like crap. The budget for the equipment was a couple of hundred euros maximum. Remove the door trim and you will see cheap acoustics. No acoustic preparation. Look at the amplifier. This is an anecdote.
this or the bose sound system?
Bose all the way !!💯
What music is this 12:30
I can't find
Redlips
2021 Mercedes-Benz S-class and 2021 Volvo S90 are indeed much better... here the sound is V shaped a lot ...
I tried the Burmester on the Merc C300 AMG and it was super underwhelming. The Audi with their Bang & Olufsen audio system blows Burmester out of the water. Burmester doesn't even come close to what actual premium audio is...to wit, check out Bowers and Wilkins. That to me is the king of all premium audio!
You haven’t tried the 3D burmester that’s for sure
are you comparing a standard burmester to an high end b&o system?
I tell you what b&o isn't that great actually either.
Go check out an e63 amg with high end burmester and how much bass that thing pushes.
Is Burmester worth $3K over Bose?
In a 911? It isn't even worth upgrading the speakers to a Bose system.
@@AarmOZ84 How come?
C8 Bose Performance or the Burmester in the 911?
C8 Bose
The Bose system sucks. The Burmester is far better and definitely A tier. The stereo should not be penalized for road noise.
How many watt?
890
No android auto in porsche doesn't make sense
@@FastTeam11 😂😂
Terrible music for testing
Considering that perfection is Porsche's actual standard--Rolls Royce truly being the other in my opinion--if the Bermeister system isn't great, I'm going to be really disappointed. Especially with the amount they charge for extras. I read that the back speaker are the same regardless of the system you buy and that floored me. Porsche, you can't claim to be the best car in the world and do that stuff. I know that's a high bar but they set it there and need to be judged accordingly. I'm $32k away from buying my first Porsche ever, and brand new from the factory no less. I've been saving on the side for 21 years. It's a Turbo S at 269k. A lot of that is the near 20k paint job.
I'm arranging it so that the day I retire (52), I'm driving it for the first time on the way home. Then I'm going to sit in my garage in it in the dark for several hours just taking in the smell, the seats, the sound system, the beauty, go to bed (if possible), drop my Niece of at her High School (it's her dream), and then drive it until the rubber falls off. Here's the best thing: I'm giving it to her when I either get too old or die. My Son passed away when he was 1 so I have no one heirs except my Siblings. I can't wait. Cheers
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