I like your way of thinking. To be honest, this kinda reminds me of situation with "IT", where (at least in 2017 movie) it has been mildly hinted that Pennywise has ability to control minds of most adults and elders in Derry. The reason why most kids in the Losers Club have parent related issues, as well as the reason why no one really seems bothered by the fact people are mysteriously disappearing every 27 years. This is particularly interesting, especially given that scenes in which Vecna is creating hallucinations to torment his victims are styled similarly to hallucinations IT is creating in movie. HECK, even their techniques are pretty much the same (at least I think so). Still, I don't believe Karen will turn out to be Vecna's proxy (tho that would be an interesting twist). However, this would be an interesting plot point to explore in my opinion: The way season 4 ended, it seems to me like it's inevitable future that truth about Upside Down's existence will be revealed to the public eventually. In that event, I think kids will have to do another classic recap of all the previous seasons, this time to their parents (something that, I'm pretty sure, would make Mr. Wheeler fall asleep 5 seconds in, lmao) With such revelation out of the way, Karen might just connect the dots, and realize that she's the domino that unintentionally started all this, only to remain abscent from the fallout of her actions, leading her to question how good of a parent she truly is. Thank you for staying on my tedtalk ;))
Why is nobody talking about that scene when Karen goes to apologize to Billy and he knocks her out but didn't kill her and gave her to the mindflayet like he did with the others? The whole thing happened after he was possesed by vecna. And after that it's like nothing happened to Karen, i don't know why they left that in the air like that.
Yeah like why did Billy (being controlled by Vecna) not want to take her to the mindflayer as he did the others? As well as why Vecna let Nancy go in S4E8? Instead showing her visions of the future?
@@Wazzu07He only needed four people to open the upside down into Hawkins. Also, because Nancy wasn’t struggling with Barb’s death like Fred or Chrissy or Patrickor Max were with their past events.
If you remember Henry Kreel sister, Alice Kreel she kinda does look like Karen Wheeler 😦! What if she changed her name just like 001 did. Henry had to change his name to Peter because he was probably assumed dead.
I would never say Karen IS WORKING FOR Vecna although Karen has something with TIME, just like Vecna has. I could believe they are connected in some way… without her awareness. Whenever she tells sg related to time, date etc, sg terrible happens. She also told Nancy to be home by 10PM when Barb died! 👀 🙃
That’s kind of a wild theory and they have laid almost 0 ground work for it, and she didn’t really seem to know what was going on with Billy when he ALMOST killed her. Idk man, I think if anyone was doing that it would be El’s Aunt cuz of what they did to her sister. Or maybe even 8 found him and is working with him, his powers of illusion really reminded me of her!
tbh, Karen irl demanded to be part of the opening credits (she was ahead of other ppl, she demanded this) and I think it is just her flexing to get onto a poster as well
@@cat_7760 Lol, would be an awe but 001 is not El's father I'm sure. I guess they say his DNA marker multiplied to “create” the power for the other Numbers but that’s not his..khm, so it's not the same thing.. It's from blood, so they related but not that way.
In season 1 Nancy tells Jonathan about her parents marriage that her mom was small than her dad, next part when Dr Brenner comes Mike's home to ask about kids see Karen's reaction the whole time. I think see can be vecna's sister
I think Karen's poster has the Creel House as the background just because she was based in Hawkins, just like others who were stationed in Hawkins for most of season 4.
But even if they played 20 mins more vecna would have catched will while he was returning his home after completing dnd...can u clear my doubt I m confused😕
Omg to be honest I would love to see this, I hope there will be a scene where Mike and Nancy realize this and they have a heavy conversation! Omg THIS IS MAKING ME SO EXCITED FOR 2025!
At the end of Season 4 when the decay was coming down Holly looked excited but Karen looked scared surely if you were a normal person you'd be excited it was snowing as if she knew something and because Dustin and everyone else knew about the upside down they were also worried
Bro what Karen just got the Creel house because that means Hawkins lmao. And I think she just got a poster because of her well known actor. Some of these theories make me laugh since they’re so over the top.
i dont think this is true because in ep 8 around 23 min in nancy is saying how vencna showed her what will happen to hawkins, and her family, and she says mom, holly, mike were all dead. and knowing what happened at the last ep it became true, so tbh i think it will become true and someone WILL have to go back in time or something like that, thats my thoughts
This is off the topic, but one thing that I found extremely funny is how she specifically states that she saw Mike, Holly and her Mom dead, leaving out any mention of Ted 😂 Just goes to show...
I think she is his sister and he just erased her memories. He didnt say anything about his sister so we wont know how close He was with his sister. I think He loved her and didnt want to hurt her.
Will she fight she has a poster? And she kight die cause vecna show nancy karen mike holly ded wait i just noticed mike might also die cause ye mikes part of the wheeler fam
Holy shit, she’s Victor Creel’s daughter… the little girl who ran up the stairs in the old house is Karen?! Is that why Vecna revealed his life story to Nancy in season 4 and that’s why he didn’t kill her right away? …so many questions???!!!!😂
Ok, many is saying the Karen is Vecnas sister but I don’t think so maybe but I think that the set wasn’t you to think that but what I think now is that vecna has Karen’s memory so he saw what she said and vecna can take them in the perfect moment, it’s just a theory, but she might work for vecna but I don’t feel like it and I feel like the stranger things set wants you to think that Karen is Alice but I think it to but is a bit to obvious, but it would be Cinda cool if she was Alice maybe she changed here name or she lost here memory? Oh or at the last episode vecna comes and says “mike you need to say hi from me to my dear old sister Alice” and mike says “ how she she is dead” and vecna says “ oh no no no she is your mother!” Or if the Karen is working for vecna is true she vil come and help vecna or come to El and the gang and say”Kids I can take is from here” ahh I can’t wait for the new season 5 and I think that Karen needs to have some kind of connection to vecna if she really is Alice or she is a helper I mean we didn’t se Alice die did she get so scared that she changed here name or she did it for here own good I mean we did now she has a mom we heard in season 3 or did she get adopted and they don’t talk about that or she lost here memory? I think we are op to something, we didn’t now here last name before she got married but what if she is Alice I don’t think after the poster of she bing in vecnas house. And victor croon didn’t know that his son was still alive or was is just because of the lab, but maybe they didn’t want victor to know? I can’t wait for season 5
Although I personally don't believe this theory, I did find this video entertaining, so thank you for that. I can't get enough of Stranger Things theories.
I think you’re looking way into this no parents are gonna let you stay at a 10 o’clock at night to play a board game. Sorry not sorry that’s the truth no parent is gonna let you play that long they have school tomorrow they have chores they have to eat dinner take a bath it’s to late to be out my bed time is 10 clock on school night I like your theory but I don’t think it’s true lees Karen is vecana lol
I like your way of thinking.
To be honest, this kinda reminds me of situation with "IT", where (at least in 2017 movie) it has been mildly hinted that Pennywise has ability to control minds of most adults and elders in Derry. The reason why most kids in the Losers Club have parent related issues, as well as the reason why no one really seems bothered by the fact people are mysteriously disappearing every 27 years.
This is particularly interesting, especially given that scenes in which Vecna is creating hallucinations to torment his victims are styled similarly to hallucinations IT is creating in movie. HECK, even their techniques are pretty much the same (at least I think so).
Still, I don't believe Karen will turn out to be Vecna's proxy (tho that would be an interesting twist).
However, this would be an interesting plot point to explore in my opinion:
The way season 4 ended, it seems to me like it's inevitable future that truth about Upside Down's existence will be revealed to the public eventually. In that event, I think kids will have to do another classic recap of all the previous seasons, this time to their parents (something that, I'm pretty sure, would make Mr. Wheeler fall asleep 5 seconds in, lmao)
With such revelation out of the way, Karen might just connect the dots, and realize that she's the domino that unintentionally started all this, only to remain abscent from the fallout of her actions, leading her to question how good of a parent she truly is.
Thank you for staying on my tedtalk ;))
I think Karen just wants to talk to vecna’s manager
LMAO
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She also tipped off the Ferris wheel guy the moment the mind flayer was on ground and people got flayed lol
Your right wow
Why is nobody talking about that scene when Karen goes to apologize to Billy and he knocks her out but didn't kill her and gave her to the mindflayet like he did with the others? The whole thing happened after he was possesed by vecna. And after that it's like nothing happened to Karen, i don't know why they left that in the air like that.
He didn't actually knock her out. He got a flash in his mind of knocking Karen out but resisted it and instead tells Karen to stay away from him.
Yeah like why did Billy (being controlled by Vecna) not want to take her to the mindflayer as he did the others? As well as why Vecna let Nancy go in S4E8? Instead showing her visions of the future?
@@Wazzu07the reason why vecna did that is most likely because of his personality and he just wants to rub it into her face
@@Wazzu07He only needed four people to open the upside down into Hawkins. Also, because Nancy wasn’t struggling with Barb’s death like Fred or Chrissy or Patrickor Max were with their past events.
She is not working for vecna she is the sister of vecna
…..
Will it be possible? because Vecna killed your sister
Holy Shit. 2:23 !!!! I never noticed the human-like figure before Will gets caught. Wow!
If you remember Henry Kreel sister, Alice Kreel she kinda does look like Karen Wheeler 😦! What if she changed her name just like 001 did. Henry had to change his name to Peter because he was probably assumed dead.
I would never say Karen IS WORKING FOR Vecna although Karen has something with TIME, just like Vecna has. I could believe they are connected in some way… without her awareness. Whenever she tells sg related to time, date etc, sg terrible happens. She also told Nancy to be home by 10PM when Barb died! 👀 🙃
That’s kind of a wild theory and they have laid almost 0 ground work for it, and she didn’t really seem to know what was going on with Billy when he ALMOST killed her. Idk man, I think if anyone was doing that it would be El’s Aunt cuz of what they did to her sister. Or maybe even 8 found him and is working with him, his powers of illusion really reminded me of her!
Talking about 8 your theorie is right it is her cuz of illusion I think it has like 80 - 90% chance of happening
tbh, Karen irl demanded to be part of the opening credits (she was ahead of other ppl, she demanded this) and I think it is just her flexing to get onto a poster as well
Karen is Alice creel..Henry aka vecna’s sister
but in a scene you can clearly see Alice dead with her bones broken so it can’t be her
@@aura_FTBL And also the age gap is very different
@@skysglcw ye
imagine that plus El being Henry's daughter and she and mike turned out to be cousins
@@cat_7760 Lol, would be an awe but 001 is not El's father I'm sure. I guess they say his DNA marker multiplied to “create” the power for the other Numbers but that’s not his..khm, so it's not the same thing.. It's from blood, so they related but not that way.
I like the theory! It kinda sounds true, but my brain:
holly: scawy
karen: LET ME SPEAK TO YOUR-
WOAH WOAH WOAH OH MY. This is one of the theories I kind of actually believe about Karen.
YEAH IKR!
In season 1 Nancy tells Jonathan about her parents marriage that her mom was small than her dad, next part when Dr Brenner comes Mike's home to ask about kids see Karen's reaction the whole time. I think see can be vecna's sister
I’m not saying your wrong but Alice was frickin dead with her eyes out of her head
I think Karen's poster has the Creel House as the background just because she was based in Hawkins, just like others who were stationed in Hawkins for most of season 4.
Plot twist Karen wheeler is behind it all
that would be soo crazy
Someone else had a theory that Karen was Henry Creel's sister that we saw.
I do know it’s Dustin and Eddie with a upside down
But even if they played 20 mins more vecna would have catched will while he was returning his home after completing dnd...can u clear my doubt I m confused😕
Omg to be honest I would love to see this, I hope there will be a scene where Mike and Nancy realize this and they have a heavy conversation! Omg THIS IS MAKING ME SO EXCITED FOR 2025!
At the end of Season 4 when the decay was coming down Holly looked excited but Karen looked scared surely if you were a normal person you'd be excited it was snowing as if she knew something and because Dustin and everyone else knew about the upside down they were also worried
i think the creel house means hawkins
it could maybe im looking into it too much
You just blown my mind
It's Karen fault billy died because of the date too
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Bro what Karen just got the Creel house because that means Hawkins lmao. And I think she just got a poster because of her well known actor.
Some of these theories make me laugh since they’re so over the top.
yeah it could be again a theory is just a theory!
i dont think this is true because in ep 8 around 23 min in nancy is saying how vencna showed her what will happen to hawkins, and her family, and she says mom, holly, mike were all dead. and knowing what happened at the last ep it became true, so tbh i think it will become true and someone WILL have to go back in time or something like that, thats my thoughts
This is off the topic, but one thing that I found extremely funny is how she specifically states that she saw Mike, Holly and her Mom dead, leaving out any mention of Ted 😂
Just goes to show...
@@backonja7255 bro ted is so disrespected
@@WKFootballShorts Ted can beat vecna ted look at vecna be like
Ted: what you gonna do to me you can't kill me
Vecna: 🤐
That’s a good point actually
You deserve more subs
THANKS!
I think she is his sister and he just erased her memories. He didnt say anything about his sister so we wont know how close He was with his sister. I think He loved her and didnt want to hurt her.
What if Karen is actually Vecna!?!?🤔😄
I watch this video only now, but wow ! It's a great theory
Will she fight she has a poster? And she kight die cause vecna show nancy karen mike holly ded wait i just noticed mike might also die cause ye mikes part of the wheeler fam
This theory isnt bad but since she was only involved 2 times it is a bit of a stretch, i think this is clever thought good find.
Holy shit, she’s Victor Creel’s daughter… the little girl who ran up the stairs in the old house is Karen?! Is that why Vecna revealed his life story to Nancy in season 4 and that’s why he didn’t kill her right away? …so many questions???!!!!😂
Ok, many is saying the Karen is Vecnas sister but I don’t think so maybe but I think that the set wasn’t you to think that but what I think now is that vecna has Karen’s memory so he saw what she said and vecna can take them in the perfect moment, it’s just a theory, but she might work for vecna but I don’t feel like it and I feel like the stranger things set wants you to think that Karen is Alice but I think it to but is a bit to obvious, but it would be Cinda cool if she was Alice maybe she changed here name or she lost here memory? Oh or at the last episode vecna comes and says “mike you need to say hi from me to my dear old sister Alice” and mike says “ how she she is dead” and vecna says “ oh no no no she is your mother!” Or if the Karen is working for vecna is true she vil come and help vecna or come to El and the gang and say”Kids I can take is from here” ahh I can’t wait for the new season 5 and I think that Karen needs to have some kind of connection to vecna if she really is Alice or she is a helper I mean we didn’t se Alice die did she get so scared that she changed here name or she did it for here own good I mean we did now she has a mom we heard in season 3 or did she get adopted and they don’t talk about that or she lost here memory? I think we are op to something, we didn’t now here last name before she got married but what if she is Alice I don’t think after the poster of she bing in vecnas house. And victor croon didn’t know that his son was still alive or was is just because of the lab, but maybe they didn’t want victor to know? I can’t wait for season 5
El will go back in time and be her own crazy mother.
lmaooo
yesss she may be the sister
maybe
Although I personally don't believe this theory, I did find this video entertaining, so thank you for that. I can't get enough of Stranger Things theories.
no problem should i make more theory videos? let me know
I think you’re looking way into this no parents are gonna let you stay at a 10 o’clock at night to play a board game. Sorry not sorry that’s the truth no parent is gonna let you play that long they have school tomorrow they have chores they have to eat dinner take a bath it’s to late to be out my bed time is 10 clock on school night I like your theory but I don’t think it’s true lees Karen is vecana lol
OmG..! No way😐
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