I am guilty of having fallen into the marketing spiel in the past, I was keen to have the latest bells and whistles and too keen to be seen with it. These days, I am just as happy, if not more so shooting with my budget digicams and retro mirrorless gear but I have enjoyed every moment of my photographic journey.
Oh absolutely. The new cameras with all the fancy features definitely have their place, but once we hit 2018 or so, cameras already had way more than anyone realistically needed. Give me manual controls and a half decent sensor and I’m happy, but like you, I’ve enjoyed it all so far 🖖
This why I love my 6D. I also have a mint 5D mkIII but use the 6D all the time (last year I had the 5D3 out for 4 weekends!), the simple "entry level full-frame" just does the job for nearly everything I shoot. I have been mulling over selling the "better" camera for 4-5 months now, but can't quite do it (mainly because I bought it for an absolute steal in a sale).
I still have my original OMD EM5 and it still takes great photos. I recently bought an EM5 Mark III and after using it for a few months I sold it because it was no better in any way that I cared about. I also have a G85 which I was intending on replacing with the MkIII but the G85 despite being several years old, is just as good as the MkIII so I am done buying new cameras until something groundbreaking comes out.
Thanks for your thoughts. The thing is that all cameras let you down in some respects, but improving your own creativity is probably a much more important thing than which camera you're using. Lenses, yes absolutely
I highly recommend joining a camera club online and/or offline to get some consistent advice and feedback when needed. There are so many good used cameras available now and absolutely no urgent need to buy new or rush into a whole new system. There are some hard spec boundaries though for sports and landscape as you mentioned. For beginners/hobbyists who are also shooting family and friends I'd add IBIS, low light performance and decent AF. Then there are some features like articulated LCD, weather sealing, focus stacking, user programs, light weight mirrorless, etc. that may turn out indispensable once you've tried it and even change the way you shoot and the shots you'll get. For some the SOOC quality is also crucial. If you're not getting into editing at all for whatever reason you may need help adjusting one or two profiles to your liking. As with features mentioned above consider them tech assistants. Without them there's a huge learning curve before you can just pick up a 5D or whatever and shoot what you want. Finally :) there's a 'feel' thing which surely triggers more or less neurotic GAS for some of us. It's also connected to user interface and perhaps design. My silver E-M10 II literally makes me happy just looking at it for instance.
Great Video, I'm a Canon user and a couple of years ago bought my 2nd "new" camera EOS R5 C I bought it mainly for Video it replaced my 5d mk 4 which i bought second hand along with a number of L series lenses, I agree you can spend lots of money on a "new" camera and it not alot better than the older ones, thanks for sharing
For most people with a normal budget, i would suggest looking at used/older pro level cameras because of their flexibly. They tend to cover all use cases with weather sealing/twin cards etc. I can use my G9 for a wedding one day, take it birdwatching the next, do great video, take it to the beach etc etc. A gx9 will have same image quality but not the flexibility which i cherish most. Like you said the old pro's are so cheap now they make perfect sense.
Yeah exactly, my EM1 mark ii, much like your G9 is incredibly flexible and it’s the type of camera that I can take practically anywhere. The old Nikon d600 and d800 I owned had proper weather sealing too, unlike the Sony bodies whose screens would quit working in the lightest of rain showers and take several hours to come back to life😂
I couldn't agree more. Having picked up the hobby right before DSLR's were accessible by us mere mortals, I would have loved to had the opportunity to pick up a used camera for less than $200 that was completely capable of taking great pictures when I was starting out. Now I find myself enjoying some of the older cameras more than the newer ones. I recently picked up a D700 for around $200 and it's one of my favorites to shoot. I still have a D90 (my 2nd DSLR purchased new), and I'm having fun with that too. These older cameras have so much value, and the ergonomics compared to some of the mirrorless cameras is just better. Real dials and buttons instead of menu diving ftw.
I’ve owned a lot of Nikon cameras in the past as it was my main system (d70, d40, d3000, d600, d800) and I loved them all. I think I’m gonna get myself back into the system even if it’s just a d70 and a 50mm. I do love those old ccd cameras 🖖😁
Wise words, camera tech, like smartphone tech and computer tech have all stalled, sure we can go bigger mega pixels etc But nothing is actually getting better in any ground breaking way! I take budget photography to the extreme and my £5 thrift shop camera takes just as good images as anything costing many hundreds of pounds. My main prime digital camera is a panasonic lumix G3 because it does everything I need my camera to do, I paid just £45 for it including the 14-42mm g vario zoom kit lens.
i agree with most parts but not all. i'm not rushing to upgrade my system. i used my pentax LX since 85 till 98! everyone else had already AF for several years and i shot with vintage lenses and old body. the same was right with digital. i bought my first digital in december 06! it was kodak dcs pro with tons of noise and so slow you can't use it in semi pro activity. nowadays i use the infamous canon 6Dmk2 and yes. some of its shortcomings are really annoying. the dynamic range is too narrow and it shows in the photos. the highlights are often blown away. the video is full hd ipb with such a low quality that my phone is the only video camera i use. some other features are brilliant and that's why i still keep this body.
I am simply enjoying my older digital cameras more than the newer ones that I have bought. I run two systems (Pentax and Fujifilm) plus a Canon 6D with just a 40 and 50mm lens. With both the Pentax and Fuji cameras I have owned new models but prefer the older ones. In the case of Fujifilm I have sold all the gear that was bought new and have "downgraded" to an X-T1 and X-T10. They just work, are not too big, have simpler menus and I prefer the look of the older sensor's images. I am in the process of selling most of my Pentax cameras which were bought new, for the same reason. I prefer the look of the images (and handling) I get from my K5, which I bought recently for just under £200 with battery grip than either of my K3 and KP which were purchased new at the time. I will be keeping my K1 as it is such a joy to use, if a bit big and heavy, and the image quality is a thing of wonder. The only advantages of the newer cameras I have used seems to be faster processing speeds (which I don't need) and slightly faster AF (which is nice but I don't really need either, as I shoot with a lot of old MF glass on the Pentax's and cheap Chinese MF lenses and very definitely not cheap adapted range finder glass on the Fuji's). The 6D I picked up last summer as a companion to my EOS 600 as they are stupidly cheap nowadays. I am not tempted by the EF system as a whole, but just as a walk about camera, the 6D is a real pleasure to use. It's simple, has gorgeous IQ and is not too big, heavy and indiscreet for a FF camera. I don't know if it's just my eyes or my particular user experience of the cameras I have owned, but there does seem to be something off about the IQ I have seen from high MP density sensors, like the 24mp+ ones found on later crop bodies. The images to me just look too clinical and not at all realistic. An exaggerated comparison would be it's like looking at a line drawing compared to an oil painting. Although, having said all that I am really tempted by the Pentax K3 iii Monochrome. I shoot a lot of black and white so it may just be worth it.
After moving to DSLR via a "free" EOS D60 in a box of other cameras, then buying a phenomenonily cheap 40D as an "upgrade". I bought an M50ii and thought long and hard about stepping into the R system. I decided not to, and bought a 6D instead. My 'carry around' is either a Sony Cybershot DSC V3 or a Panasonic Lumix DMC LX100 ii. I honestly love features of them all, and I've honestly not been tempted by a move to R system yet because even my 20 year old V3 is capable of great pictures - let alone the 6D and LX100ii. The big difference for me has been the investment in better lenses - especially the Image Stabilised L lenses. They've cost more than any DSLR body I'VE bought, but they've made such a difference to my images.
It was one of your videos and a few others that opened my eyes to the original Canon 5D Classic. Never been a DSLR shooter before, but that 5DC is a phenomenal camera. Yes, it’s bulky and clunky, but the image quality is superb. I shoot a Leica M9 also, and these older cameras with their apparent limitations, I think bring out a better photographer. The trick to getting better images out of the M9 for example is to expose correctly and understand you have very limited post processing capabilities with the RAW files. I shoot the M9 happily at 1600 iso all day long at gigs. How? Because I understand that the RAW files are not as robust as newer camera systems, so I get the exposure correct. The 5DC is just the same. The truth is, you really don’t need as much ISO as manufacturers will have you believe. 1600 is more that enough, 3200 is useful but not necessary really. What I like about the 5DC and M9 are they straddled that cross over period from film era into digital, so the cameras are not bloated with features you really don’t need.
I love the simplicity of the 5d and I’m only moderately jealous of your M9😂 You’re right on the money about the raw files. Even though the Canon 6d isn’t exactly a new camera, those files are way more malleable than the files from the 5d. Thanks for watching and have a great weekend 🖖
You don't need the latest and greatest but sometimes the bells & whistles help to make the image easier to get................ I use a Canon R&R3 now BUT my all time favourite images were taken on my old 7D & M5
I agree with what you're saying. We can take the argument one step further. Think of great photographers of the past, their camera's would be fairly low spec by modern standards. Yet the images produced were often wonderful. Many modern cameras have features to "help" the photographer but these features make the camera even more complicated. I reckon it takes time to get to know a camera and switching between too many models can hinder picture taking. Your video also touches on the usual problem of upgrading i.e. the law of diminishing returns. The more you spend on camera equipment the smaller the improvements you get. The key is recognising when to stop and accept that next years camera model will maybe only be 5% better than what you already have. What will you do with that extra 5%? P.S. I love the groovy music in your video 🤣
Exactly. As long as I have the ability to change aperture, shutter speed, iso and white balance, I’m good. Having great af and such is nice to have, but it reaches a point in most modern cameras where I ignore half of what it can do because I just don’t need it. Thanks for watching 🖖
In the right lighting conditions, my favorite camera remains the 2003 Olympus E-1 - 5mp 4/3. It is a joy to shoot with and i use it every week. Where i find the greatest difference for most photography is in lenses - not bodies - and this has nothing to do with their age. I got some 'new' 4/3 glass last week - my partner bought me a box with nine lenses and two cameras in it. Some of this gear i already had, like the, 12-60 and 50-200 - both excellent pieces of glass. But i had only heard the vague murmurings about six of the lenses in the box - the Olympus 4/3 'Super High Grade' lenses. What is immediately apparent is that the SHG glass was not built down to a price-point. For example, shooting my E-5 with 'Big Tuna', the 300mm f/2.8, is like entering a different world from anything i have experienced before. With the 2x Tele on it (oh no, f/5.6!) you're still getting fine feather detail on a Spoonbill in the estuary at 70m distance. The very best glass really is gob-smackingly good and will always produce a recognizably superior image of anything you point it at every time. Of course the body matters too, but how much it matters depends entirely on what you're trying to photograph, and most of the time for most people it hardly matters at all. I'd love to know what the 5D could do with the very best of Canon's glass - we should have a whip-around to hire a couple of really special lenses for you to do a day's mixed street / landscape shooting - would make a mighty fine video (serious suggestion - count me in). All the best from the swamp....
It’s strange that it wasn’t until getting the 5D that I actually started looking at decent Canon glass and I’m thinking about chucking some money that way now I’m pretty much done with m4/3 glass. I’m yet to dip into the 4/3 gear but it’s almost certainly gonna happen at some point. Have a good one mate 🖖
@@DavidFlowerOfficial Just a pause for thought... lots of videos out there extolling the virtues of older cameras ie 5D. What most have in common is using either vintage glass or kittish glass. So they don't answer the core question of what these bodies are really capable of with high quality glass - even the Hi-Q glass from when they were released. I bet that doing this would push the old-body IQ through the roof (compared to what we typically see), as it has done on my E-1 and E-5, with the latter looking better than my K-1 with kit glass. Worth considering, i think.
Yes, a smart move on buying pre-owned gear. The last piece of photo equipment other than straps was bought 9 years ago. Most photographers seem to take good care of their gear, I have yet to have an issue with anything I have purchased. I have noticed though that some cameras like the 5D classic have gone up in price over the years (at least where I live) It is fun though to search for those hidden gems that has not received the you tube recommendations.
Yeah I think cameras like the 5d and Nikon d700 hold their price due to being the first of their kind (consumer full frame). The most surprising prices I see are the old compacts though. Stuff you could grab for 5 or 10 pounds a few years back are now up near £100. I think you’re right about photographers generally being good with their gear. When I sold my d800 with almost 500k on the shutter it still looked pretty good and worked perfectly. Have a good one🖖
@@DavidFlowerOfficialand when the equipment is in bad shape, with marks, scuffs and scratches the price is very low, I got a 6D with battery grip, the 50mm 1.8 STM, bag, battery and charger for $115usd, just because the camera is in ugly shape, missing doors flaps and the rubber need to be changed. I got an old Canon 70-210 F4 for $60usd because it was externally ugly, but the glass and function were perfect.
What ammuses me is how people bang on about resolution, dynamic range etc etc, and for the majority of them are just sharing low Res images online 🤔🙄🤣 and hardly ever make any prints, let alone large prints. I'm getting a 6D soon, apart from that I use an ancient Canon 7D, and my compact lumix LX100. Last time I did some low light photography was at Hull fair with the 7D, and my Sigma 17-50 f2.8 throughout the range. I never went above iso 400, at f5.6 didn't even have the IS switched on, more than pleased with the results. Like you I always shoot in raw, process in lightroom, save as a Tiff, and tweak a bit in Photoshop before saving as a large jpeg.
Exactly. No one needs 50+ megapixels for Instagram posts😂 When I first got started I was using a Nikon D70 and printing up to A3 with no issues at all. And now, because it’s trendy (and film being so bloody expensive) people are flocking to get old compact digital cameras 😂 I shot the fair a couple of years back with the 6d and it was great. Thanks for watching, mate🖖
Definitely; camera companies are always using metrics that can be measured. Megapixel count, iso numbers, dynamic range. I guess it’s very difficult to market ‘A look’ or certain colour rendering. More is much easier to put on an Ad campaign. Love using my 5D and relatively recently, a Canon RP. A camera that gets ripped to shreds here on YT. For me, it’s perfect. Small, light, great images and more camera than i would ever need for my photography. It also would have been seen as amazing a few years ago but now it seems, lots of people focus on the spec sheet. Any camera from the past few years will do a grand job unless you have very specialised requirements! Great video; thankyou!
I borrowed a canon rp a couple of years back and really liked the pictures I got. The internet loves to crap on anything that doesn’t meet its expectations. Thanks for watching 🖖
I have been shooting with the original em5 for a long time and I recently bought a Canon R8. I like playing with depth of field, it’s so easy on full frame. The focusing system is obviously worlds better than the em5. But overall, I prefer using the em5. I just have fun with that camera.
My 5D classic does (almost) everything I want it to do …it captures images …beautiful ones at that and it has a useable iso range. My E-M1 mk1 also does everything I want. It’s better specced than the 5D but I bought both used and neither were more than 160 quid. The last brand new “proper” camera I bought was my EOS50E back in about 1998. On the subject of dynamic range, it’s my understanding that most film emulsions only have a range of something like 10 stops …I think.
Yeah the film just performs better in a different range to digital. Film mostly can recover highlights for days but shadow recovery is generally better on digital but I think nailing the exposure or getting close to it makes both formats flexible enough. I think my 5d only cost me about £135 or so and I’m very happy with it. Thanks for watching 🖖
Utterly superb video full of truths! Who needs all those features? Only problem now, will Canon, Nikon, Pentax service or repair, these older bodies and lenses! Sony definitely Not! I use an ancient(by digital standards) Nikon D-50! Complete with battery, charger and a lens! Cost $60! Only drawback, lousy AF! 1GB SD card. It's a lovely camera. But I still use Film cameras! My Leica M3 is 57 years old now! Yes used professionally! Now less as I'm retired!
Yeah forced obsolescence is a factor I could have mentioned, but outside of warranty service and repair costs will likely be way higher than the price of replacement unfortunately. With that said, I repaired the screen on my EM10 mark ii and it only cost me £11 (and an evening of stress😂) so in some cases we can keep these old cameras ticking ourselves. Thanks for watching and have a great weekend 🖖
I shoot with as high-spec camera as my budget will allow so that the camera is as small a part in the excuses that i have if my photos suck. If i then find a creative limitations that is only possible to overcome with new tech, i then think about upgrading.
I have both the 5D and 40D and both produce great images. I like the 5D images slightly better overall, but I also mistake them for one another sometimes. So the difference can't be that big...
I got lucky with mine. It has even survived being dropped in a lake, followed by a month in the airing cupboard 🤭 I pair it with a Sigma 50mm Art and the results for portraits are great to my eye. Got a D800E too, but it rarely leaves the house.
@@DavidFlowerOfficial while I was getting a refund in the shop with the last version,two people came in with faulty canon r50s I think you have been lucky to get good ones, shutter failure on all of them .
For average family photo shooters, auto eye focusing and good SOOC skin tone are THE must have features. Therefore I’d choose a canon RP any day over Sony A9 IIIIIIIIII
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I look down at my small film fridge and see my Canon EOS 1v with EF 35 f/2. Loaded with an Ilford sensor. HP5 and smile warmly.
I am guilty of having fallen into the marketing spiel in the past, I was keen to have the latest bells and whistles and too keen to be seen with it.
These days, I am just as happy, if not more so shooting with my budget digicams and retro mirrorless gear but I have enjoyed every moment of my photographic journey.
Oh absolutely. The new cameras with all the fancy features definitely have their place, but once we hit 2018 or so, cameras already had way more than anyone realistically needed. Give me manual controls and a half decent sensor and I’m happy, but like you, I’ve enjoyed it all so far 🖖
This why I love my 6D. I also have a mint 5D mkIII but use the 6D all the time (last year I had the 5D3 out for 4 weekends!), the simple "entry level full-frame" just does the job for nearly everything I shoot. I have been mulling over selling the "better" camera for 4-5 months now, but can't quite do it (mainly because I bought it for an absolute steal in a sale).
I still have my original OMD EM5 and it still takes great photos. I recently bought an EM5 Mark III and after using it for a few months I sold it because it was no better in any way that I cared about. I also have a G85 which I was intending on replacing with the MkIII but the G85 despite being several years old, is just as good as the MkIII so I am done buying new cameras until something groundbreaking comes out.
Thanks for your thoughts. The thing is that all cameras let you down in some respects, but improving your own creativity is probably a much more important thing than which camera you're using. Lenses, yes absolutely
Excellent video and great advice!!!!
I highly recommend joining a camera club online and/or offline to get some consistent advice and feedback when needed. There are so many good used cameras available now and absolutely no urgent need to buy new or rush into a whole new system.
There are some hard spec boundaries though for sports and landscape as you mentioned. For beginners/hobbyists who are also shooting family and friends I'd add IBIS, low light performance and decent AF. Then there are some features like articulated LCD, weather sealing, focus stacking, user programs, light weight mirrorless, etc. that may turn out indispensable once you've tried it and even change the way you shoot and the shots you'll get.
For some the SOOC quality is also crucial. If you're not getting into editing at all for whatever reason you may need help adjusting one or two profiles to your liking. As with features mentioned above consider them tech assistants. Without them there's a huge learning curve before you can just pick up a 5D or whatever and shoot what you want.
Finally :) there's a 'feel' thing which surely triggers more or less neurotic GAS for some of us. It's also connected to user interface and perhaps design. My silver E-M10 II literally makes me happy just looking at it for instance.
Great video I still use my T7i till this day!
Great Video, I'm a Canon user and a couple of years ago bought my 2nd "new" camera EOS R5 C I bought it mainly for Video it replaced my 5d mk 4 which i bought second hand along with a number of L series lenses, I agree you can spend lots of money on a "new" camera and it not alot better than the older ones, thanks for sharing
For most people with a normal budget, i would suggest looking at used/older pro level cameras because of their flexibly. They tend to cover all use cases with weather sealing/twin cards etc. I can use my G9 for a wedding one day, take it birdwatching the next, do great video, take it to the beach etc etc. A gx9 will have same image quality but not the flexibility which i cherish most. Like you said the old pro's are so cheap now they make perfect sense.
Yeah exactly, my EM1 mark ii, much like your G9 is incredibly flexible and it’s the type of camera that I can take practically anywhere.
The old Nikon d600 and d800 I owned had proper weather sealing too, unlike the Sony bodies whose screens would quit working in the lightest of rain showers and take several hours to come back to life😂
Some very good points here Dave. Very well done.
Thanks for watching, Andy🖖
Good one Dave 👍 I'm impressed you managed to get a video out of about the only decent light we had all day! Though it did come good after you went 😂
Happens every time😂
I see the glorious light come out the second I leave the car park lol
I couldn't agree more. Having picked up the hobby right before DSLR's were accessible by us mere mortals, I would have loved to had the opportunity to pick up a used camera for less than $200 that was completely capable of taking great pictures when I was starting out.
Now I find myself enjoying some of the older cameras more than the newer ones. I recently picked up a D700 for around $200 and it's one of my favorites to shoot. I still have a D90 (my 2nd DSLR purchased new), and I'm having fun with that too. These older cameras have so much value, and the ergonomics compared to some of the mirrorless cameras is just better. Real dials and buttons instead of menu diving ftw.
I’ve owned a lot of Nikon cameras in the past as it was my main system (d70, d40, d3000, d600, d800) and I loved them all.
I think I’m gonna get myself back into the system even if it’s just a d70 and a 50mm.
I do love those old ccd cameras 🖖😁
Wise words, camera tech, like smartphone tech and computer tech have all stalled, sure we can go bigger mega pixels etc
But nothing is actually getting better in any ground breaking way!
I take budget photography to the extreme and my £5 thrift shop camera takes just as good images as anything costing many hundreds of pounds.
My main prime digital camera is a panasonic lumix G3 because it does everything I need my camera to do, I paid just £45 for it including the 14-42mm g vario zoom kit lens.
Yeah despite having “pro” gear, one of my favourite cameras is the Canon Powershot G10. It produces great images and is fun to use🖖😁
i agree with most parts but not all. i'm not rushing to upgrade my system. i used my pentax LX since 85 till 98! everyone else had already AF for several years and i shot with vintage lenses and old body. the same was right with digital. i bought my first digital in december 06! it was kodak dcs pro with tons of noise and so slow you can't use it in semi pro activity. nowadays i use the infamous canon 6Dmk2 and yes. some of its shortcomings are really annoying. the dynamic range is too narrow and it shows in the photos. the highlights are often blown away. the video is full hd ipb with such a low quality that my phone is the only video camera i use. some other features are brilliant and that's why i still keep this body.
I am simply enjoying my older digital cameras more than the newer ones that I have bought. I run two systems (Pentax and Fujifilm) plus a Canon 6D with just a 40 and 50mm lens. With both the Pentax and Fuji cameras I have owned new models but prefer the older ones. In the case of Fujifilm I have sold all the gear that was bought new and have "downgraded" to an X-T1 and X-T10. They just work, are not too big, have simpler menus and I prefer the look of the older sensor's images. I am in the process of selling most of my Pentax cameras which were bought new, for the same reason. I prefer the look of the images (and handling) I get from my K5, which I bought recently for just under £200 with battery grip than either of my K3 and KP which were purchased new at the time. I will be keeping my K1 as it is such a joy to use, if a bit big and heavy, and the image quality is a thing of wonder.
The only advantages of the newer cameras I have used seems to be faster processing speeds (which I don't need) and slightly faster AF (which is nice but I don't really need either, as I shoot with a lot of old MF glass on the Pentax's and cheap Chinese MF lenses and very definitely not cheap adapted range finder glass on the Fuji's).
The 6D I picked up last summer as a companion to my EOS 600 as they are stupidly cheap nowadays. I am not tempted by the EF system as a whole, but just as a walk about camera, the 6D is a real pleasure to use. It's simple, has gorgeous IQ and is not too big, heavy and indiscreet for a FF camera.
I don't know if it's just my eyes or my particular user experience of the cameras I have owned, but there does seem to be something off about the IQ I have seen from high MP density sensors, like the 24mp+ ones found on later crop bodies. The images to me just look too clinical and not at all realistic. An exaggerated comparison would be it's like looking at a line drawing compared to an oil painting.
Although, having said all that I am really tempted by the Pentax K3 iii Monochrome. I shoot a lot of black and white so it may just be worth it.
After moving to DSLR via a "free" EOS D60 in a box of other cameras, then buying a phenomenonily cheap 40D as an "upgrade".
I bought an M50ii and thought long and hard about stepping into the R system.
I decided not to, and bought a 6D instead.
My 'carry around' is either a Sony Cybershot DSC V3 or a Panasonic Lumix DMC LX100 ii.
I honestly love features of them all, and I've honestly not been tempted by a move to R system yet because even my 20 year old V3 is capable of great pictures - let alone the 6D and LX100ii.
The big difference for me has been the investment in better lenses - especially the Image Stabilised L lenses. They've cost more than any DSLR body I'VE bought, but they've made such a difference to my images.
It was one of your videos and a few others that opened my eyes to the original Canon 5D Classic. Never been a DSLR shooter before, but that 5DC is a phenomenal camera. Yes, it’s bulky and clunky, but the image quality is superb. I shoot a Leica M9 also, and these older cameras with their apparent limitations, I think bring out a better photographer. The trick to getting better images out of the M9 for example is to expose correctly and understand you have very limited post processing capabilities with the RAW files. I shoot the M9 happily at 1600 iso all day long at gigs. How? Because I understand that the RAW files are not as robust as newer camera systems, so I get the exposure correct. The 5DC is just the same. The truth is, you really don’t need as much ISO as manufacturers will have you believe. 1600 is more that enough, 3200 is useful but not necessary really. What I like about the 5DC and M9 are they straddled that cross over period from film era into digital, so the cameras are not bloated with features you really don’t need.
I love the simplicity of the 5d and I’m only moderately jealous of your M9😂
You’re right on the money about the raw files. Even though the Canon 6d isn’t exactly a new camera, those files are way more malleable than the files from the 5d.
Thanks for watching and have a great weekend 🖖
You don't need the latest and greatest but sometimes the bells & whistles help to make the image easier to get................ I use a Canon R&R3 now BUT my all time favourite images were taken on my old 7D & M5
I agree with what you're saying. We can take the argument one step further. Think of great photographers of the past, their camera's would be fairly low spec by modern standards. Yet the images produced were often wonderful. Many modern cameras have features to "help" the photographer but these features make the camera even more complicated. I reckon it takes time to get to know a camera and switching between too many models can hinder picture taking. Your video also touches on the usual problem of upgrading i.e. the law of diminishing returns. The more you spend on camera equipment the smaller the improvements you get. The key is recognising when to stop and accept that next years camera model will maybe only be 5% better than what you already have. What will you do with that extra 5%? P.S. I love the groovy music in your video 🤣
Exactly. As long as I have the ability to change aperture, shutter speed, iso and white balance, I’m good. Having great af and such is nice to have, but it reaches a point in most modern cameras where I ignore half of what it can do because I just don’t need it.
Thanks for watching 🖖
Love my Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II with my Olympus 12-45mm F4 pro.
Yeah the EM1 mkii is a beast of a camera. I love using the Pana-Leica 12-60 with mine🖖
I'll stick to my box brownie, thanks. (Joking 😂)
In the right lighting conditions, my favorite camera remains the 2003 Olympus E-1 - 5mp 4/3. It is a joy to shoot with and i use it every week. Where i find the greatest difference for most photography is in lenses - not bodies - and this has nothing to do with their age. I got some 'new' 4/3 glass last week - my partner bought me a box with nine lenses and two cameras in it. Some of this gear i already had, like the, 12-60 and 50-200 - both excellent pieces of glass. But i had only heard the vague murmurings about six of the lenses in the box - the Olympus 4/3 'Super High Grade' lenses. What is immediately apparent is that the SHG glass was not built down to a price-point. For example, shooting my E-5 with 'Big Tuna', the 300mm f/2.8, is like entering a different world from anything i have experienced before. With the 2x Tele on it (oh no, f/5.6!) you're still getting fine feather detail on a Spoonbill in the estuary at 70m distance. The very best glass really is gob-smackingly good and will always produce a recognizably superior image of anything you point it at every time. Of course the body matters too, but how much it matters depends entirely on what you're trying to photograph, and most of the time for most people it hardly matters at all. I'd love to know what the 5D could do with the very best of Canon's glass - we should have a whip-around to hire a couple of really special lenses for you to do a day's mixed street / landscape shooting - would make a mighty fine video (serious suggestion - count me in). All the best from the swamp....
It’s strange that it wasn’t until getting the 5D that I actually started looking at decent Canon glass and I’m thinking about chucking some money that way now I’m pretty much done with m4/3 glass.
I’m yet to dip into the 4/3 gear but it’s almost certainly gonna happen at some point.
Have a good one mate 🖖
@@DavidFlowerOfficial Just a pause for thought... lots of videos out there extolling the virtues of older cameras ie 5D. What most have in common is using either vintage glass or kittish glass. So they don't answer the core question of what these bodies are really capable of with high quality glass - even the Hi-Q glass from when they were released. I bet that doing this would push the old-body IQ through the roof (compared to what we typically see), as it has done on my E-1 and E-5, with the latter looking better than my K-1 with kit glass. Worth considering, i think.
@luzr6613 That’s a good point. I’ll have a poke around and have a look what older L glass is available from around the time of the 5D🖖
Wise words from Mr David.... for sure... thank you... BR... Yoki..
Thanks very much🖖😁
Yes, a smart move on buying pre-owned gear. The last piece of photo equipment other than straps was bought 9 years ago. Most photographers seem to take good care of their gear, I have yet to have an issue with anything I have purchased. I have noticed though that some cameras like the 5D classic have gone up in price over the years (at least where I live) It is fun though to search for those hidden gems that has not received the you tube recommendations.
Yeah I think cameras like the 5d and Nikon d700 hold their price due to being the first of their kind (consumer full frame). The most surprising prices I see are the old compacts though. Stuff you could grab for 5 or 10 pounds a few years back are now up near £100.
I think you’re right about photographers generally being good with their gear. When I sold my d800 with almost 500k on the shutter it still looked pretty good and worked perfectly.
Have a good one🖖
@@DavidFlowerOfficialand when the equipment is in bad shape, with marks, scuffs and scratches the price is very low, I got a 6D with battery grip, the 50mm 1.8 STM, bag, battery and charger for $115usd, just because the camera is in ugly shape, missing doors flaps and the rubber need to be changed. I got an old Canon 70-210 F4 for $60usd because it was externally ugly, but the glass and function were perfect.
I've never owned or shot any photos with a Canon. I have only held an A1 and AE1 in my hands.😅
What ammuses me is how people bang on about resolution, dynamic range etc etc, and for the majority of them are just sharing low Res images online 🤔🙄🤣 and hardly ever make any prints, let alone large prints. I'm getting a 6D soon, apart from that I use an ancient Canon 7D, and my compact lumix LX100. Last time I did some low light photography was at Hull fair with the 7D, and my Sigma 17-50 f2.8 throughout the range. I never went above iso 400, at f5.6 didn't even have the IS switched on, more than pleased with the results. Like you I always shoot in raw, process in lightroom, save as a Tiff, and tweak a bit in Photoshop before saving as a large jpeg.
Exactly. No one needs 50+ megapixels for Instagram posts😂
When I first got started I was using a Nikon D70 and printing up to A3 with no issues at all. And now, because it’s trendy (and film being so bloody expensive) people are flocking to get old compact digital cameras 😂
I shot the fair a couple of years back with the 6d and it was great.
Thanks for watching, mate🖖
Definitely; camera companies are always using metrics that can be measured. Megapixel count, iso numbers, dynamic range. I guess it’s very difficult to market ‘A look’ or certain colour rendering. More is much easier to put on an Ad campaign.
Love using my 5D and relatively recently, a Canon RP. A camera that gets ripped to shreds here on YT. For me, it’s perfect. Small, light, great images and more camera than i would ever need for my photography. It also would have been seen as amazing a few years ago but now it seems, lots of people focus on the spec sheet.
Any camera from the past few years will do a grand job unless you have very specialised requirements! Great video; thankyou!
I borrowed a canon rp a couple of years back and really liked the pictures I got.
The internet loves to crap on anything that doesn’t meet its expectations.
Thanks for watching 🖖
And again, love the 5D classic ❤🖖🏻
I mean, what’s not to love🖖😁
I have been shooting with the original em5 for a long time and I recently bought a Canon R8. I like playing with depth of field, it’s so easy on full frame. The focusing system is obviously worlds better than the em5. But overall, I prefer using the em5. I just have fun with that camera.
Yeah I think the new feature packed cameras definitely have their place, but some cameras are just a joy to use regardless of age🖖
My 5D classic does (almost) everything I want it to do …it captures images …beautiful ones at that and it has a useable iso range. My E-M1 mk1 also does everything I want. It’s better specced than the 5D but I bought both used and neither were more than 160 quid. The last brand new “proper” camera I bought was my EOS50E back in about 1998. On the subject of dynamic range, it’s my understanding that most film emulsions only have a range of something like 10 stops …I think.
Yeah the film just performs better in a different range to digital. Film mostly can recover highlights for days but shadow recovery is generally better on digital but I think nailing the exposure or getting close to it makes both formats flexible enough.
I think my 5d only cost me about £135 or so and I’m very happy with it.
Thanks for watching 🖖
Utterly superb video full of truths! Who needs all those features? Only problem now, will Canon, Nikon, Pentax service or repair, these older bodies and lenses! Sony definitely Not! I use an ancient(by digital standards) Nikon D-50! Complete with battery, charger and a lens! Cost $60! Only drawback, lousy AF! 1GB SD card. It's a lovely camera. But I still use Film cameras! My Leica M3 is 57 years old now! Yes used professionally! Now less as I'm retired!
Yeah forced obsolescence is a factor I could have mentioned, but outside of warranty service and repair costs will likely be way higher than the price of replacement unfortunately.
With that said, I repaired the screen on my EM10 mark ii and it only cost me £11 (and an evening of stress😂) so in some cases we can keep these old cameras ticking ourselves.
Thanks for watching and have a great weekend 🖖
Fantastic advice sir
Thanks for watching!
Have a great weekend 🖖
I shoot with as high-spec camera as my budget will allow so that the camera is as small a part in the excuses that i have if my photos suck. If i then find a creative limitations that is only possible to overcome with new tech, i then think about upgrading.
Truth! Amen to that.
I still catch myself slightly envying your 5D over my 40D (basically the APS-C version of the same camera) and maybe I shouldn’t… 🤔
The 40d is a solid camera. I still regularly use the 400d my dad gave me (cheap plastic 40d😂) and I love the images from it.
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I have both the 5D and 40D and both produce great images. I like the 5D images slightly better overall, but I also mistake them for one another sometimes. So the difference can't be that big...
@@lukotube Thanks - my assumption has always been that the 12MP full-frame images would look significantly better than the 10MP APS-C versions…
Love my Nikon D600, and keep hankering after buying another Canon 5D!
The D600 is one of my favourite cameras I’ve ever owned, unfortunately mine had the messy shutter issue.
I’d probably have another one though🖖😁
I got lucky with mine. It has even survived being dropped in a lake, followed by a month in the airing cupboard 🤭 I pair it with a Sigma 50mm Art and the results for portraits are great to my eye. Got a D800E too, but it rarely leaves the house.
I have had nothing but trouble with canon cameras, I’m never buying one again, 5 cameras have failed within a month of ownership, never again.
Sounds like you’ve been terribly unlucky. I currently own 4, 3 of which are over a decade old and still kicking🖖
@@DavidFlowerOfficial while I was getting a refund in the shop with the last version,two people came in with faulty canon r50s I think you have been lucky to get good ones, shutter failure on all of them .
@britineurope ah, I haven’t looked at Canon mirrorless yet, I’m guessing the dslrs and older compacts like my G10 are a bit more robust.
For average family photo shooters, auto eye focusing and good SOOC skin tone are THE must have features. Therefore I’d choose a canon RP any day over Sony A9 IIIIIIIIII