I agree Charles. These are real cars and they sound real too. Today's Cup cars sound really weird. Plus they just look awful. Like you said, COOKIE CUTTERS! America has lost the Automotive edge on styling Period. Thanks for showing what real stuff used to look and sound like.
They are not real stock anything. Especially the outer body. Richard Petty said it s few years ago. He said it's no longer STOCK CARS. he said it RACE CARS. his exact words. They should change the name of the series to National RACE CAR ASSOCIATION
No. That is a 1968 Torino with a 427 and Cale Yarborough was on the pole for the 1968 Daytona 500 with a speed of 189.222, which was the record until 1970 when he broke it with a lap of 194.015.
Back when Stock Cars were actually Stock Cars... bought off the showroom. The bodies were all metal ... no plastic cookie cutter cars here.. all real cars. You could tell what kind of cars they were.... Chevy.... Ford.... Dodge.... Plymouth. You cant tell what kind of cars are racing today... they all look alike. I miss yesterday's Stock Cars
Other than the drivetrain, a single racing seat, a roll cage, the wheels, and many of the features that weren't necessary on the track (such as heating and lights) removed to reduce weight, these stock racers utilized the same construction, had the exact same dimensions, and were as rigid as their street counterparts... The adjustable tubular frames, endless plates of generic looking sheetmetal, and grossly overpriced and "temperamental-at-best" ("Dude, I swear it was all working yesterday!") on-board electronics were ALL still years away!
Not really all that true. By this point they all had a spec rear suspension (ford 9” rear with Chevy truck trailing arms). They all used heavy duty truck spindle and brakes. The sheet metal was modified but still had to be the stock deck lid and roof. There also was a spec wheelbase. By the mid 60s the shift to custom spec racers had begun. As Richard Petty said “ we began to deviate from stock on day 1. When there was a common failure, we were allowed to upgrade that part. If lug studs started breaking we were allowed to used stronger ones. When wheels started breaking, we were allowed to used stronger ones. It was really an evolutionary thing”.
A reason such stockers were rarely raced on road courses, back in the 1960s, was due to the drum brakes they used. I doubt many of the stock cars seen in this video would have had effective stopping power lasting no more than a dozen laps or so on the Laguna Seca circuit. At Riverside in the 1960s, it was a little known fact that the stockers coasted through the turns in the latter part of that 500 mile road race, as the brakes had faded on the cars. Penske's AMC Matador won the Riverside 500 race in 1972 due to the large disc brakes used, which was a first for that time on a NASCAR racer . . . as to paraphrase what driver Mark Donohue said: 'If we can't beat them with horsepower, then we'll beat them with brakes!' That 1972 Matador was turning lap times near the end of the race just as fast as at the beginning . . . while all the rest of the competitors had to slow down because of brake fade.
Really love that sound, sound we do not have here in France. My brother and I bought a 1976 Chevy Impala but a small 386 does not sound like that !! No engine can match that sound ! not even an italian one....
I miss the old days when they were STOCK cars modified. Not these silloette cars of today. With Cotton Owens,Fireball Roberts,David Pearson,Curtis Turner,Tom Pistone,Holman/Moody...those were the days...
I'd say by 1970, those days were definitely gone. Too much tubing through the cars, blistered fenders, etc. They started taking that first step away from "stock" cars at that point.
@@unionrdr they started moving from factory stock to spec race car on day 1. Richard Petty even said that it was an evolutionary process. It started out as strictly stock, but as certain failures became common, they were allowed to modify those parts, then other stuff started to fail, so that stuff got modified. And then safety became a concern and the cars started being modified for that as new safety regulations came in. NASCAR then began changing the rules for not only evening the field for more competitive racing but also to curtail expenses. By the late 60s all nascars had the same rear suspension (ford 9” rear with Chevy truck trailing arms). Then in the mid 70s, wheelbase became standardized. Then all cars had to run a small block, then the engines all had to be no bigger then 358. And on and on.
@@CamaroAmx Not so much then as later. Beefing the cars up to race was a given in those days. It's what we did. I was on a team of 3 sportsman stocks as a teen. Started at 15. But there's not much stock left of'em these days. I miss those days when we built them in a rented small building that could hold all three cars, parts, tools, etc. As a point of interest, My '65 Galaxy Custom was like the one in the video. Gold with a white top.
@@unionrdr there is at least one team in the nationwide series that has 6 full time crew members and work out of a section of rented warehouse that’s just big enough to hold their 4 cars and some spare parts (about 3 times the size of a standard 2 car garage). There was a truck series team last year that actually built the truck in a 2 car garage by 3 people.
You can't just blame NASCAR for the style of the current cars. The auto industry, in general, is cranking out some very forgettable (Toyota in particular) cars and NASCAR tries to make them "equal".
But I can still tell the difference between a production camaro and production mustang and a production Supra from 100 yards away even if it’s been debadged. Not so much with the current nascar. It’s a little better then it was with the COT, but still got a lot of ways to go. Then again, in the 80s it was difficult to tell a Le Mans from a Grand Prix. And unless you saw the front of a regal or Monte Carlo, you’d be hard pressed to tell the difference in NASCAR.
beloog99 They raced in the ( NASCAR Grand American GT Series ) and Drivers like Buck Baker and H.B. Bailey did quite well with their Pontiac Firebirds :)
Go ahead and install all the modern safety items, tires, shocks etc etc etc. But install all those items into 60's and 70's bodies and race those. At least we'd have some cars on the track that look like cars. The bodies of today look nothing like a showroom car. Nothing. And so what if they did. The sedans of today are the most boring cars ever created. So might as well go retro.
Look up the Touring car masters (TCM) series from Australia it's exactly that. The field is a mixture of old school American and Australian muscle cars but with modern developed suspension, brakes tyres etc and they race them really hard
Today's stock cars are all the same motor. There's no toyota, honda, ford, it's all a chevy based small block. Then when you put on a restrictor then it just gets stupid.
Nope just rich people (or people who are working for rich people) who have the money to buy the cars and maintain them. This is just a hobby. Very rarely will you get a working man who happened to buy an old nascar at just the right time to get it for a cheaper price, but even they are by no means poor.
The mopar stuff usually was sold off to low tier racers and to other series were they were rebodied. A lot of them of all makes ended up that way. As the saying goes “there’s nothing older then last years race car”. Only a handful were kept in original condition (all that depended on the team or sometimes the driver). Many were found with different bodies on them and slightly modified chassis. The people who restored them just put them back to nascar spec and rebodied them back to whatever they were in nascar. There is stories of nascar chassis built in the late 70s still being used in nascar into the late 90s, just rebodied and slightly modified to meet the newer specs.
Old stock cars were so awesome!
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Juniors 63 impala "Mystery Motor" machine!!👌
I agree Charles. These are real cars and they sound real too. Today's Cup cars sound really weird. Plus they just look awful. Like you said, COOKIE CUTTERS! America has lost the Automotive edge on styling Period. Thanks for showing what real stuff used to look and sound like.
Use the reply button grandpa.
They are not real stock anything. Especially the outer body. Richard Petty said it s few years ago. He said it's no longer STOCK CARS.
he said it RACE CARS. his exact words. They should change the name of the series to National RACE CAR ASSOCIATION
Were those '72 Torinos running 427 Tunnel Port, or Boss 429's? Anyone know? And is that the infamous 'Banana' at 3:13?
Awesome I wish they would go back to 1960s cars in NASCAR !!! Lol
What I grew up with, Yes I'm an Old Baaaaastard now !!! : D
Me too
Great to see the old warriors on the track, What is the Firebird doing there?
That was the era when bench racing Ford v Chevrolet v Mopar was as close to reality as it could possibly be.
Oh absolutely. This is what win on Sunday sell on Monday was about. Real cars. Nasty Car is no longer a representation of the US auto industry is.
Love the Holman and Moody '63 Galaxie.
I believe the '72 Ford Torino of David Pearson at 1:24 still holds the Daytona 500 qualifying Record. Would have been powered by the Boss 429.
No. That is a 1968 Torino with a 427 and Cale Yarborough was on the pole for the 1968 Daytona 500 with a speed of 189.222, which was the record until 1970 when he broke it with a lap of 194.015.
Stock cars I loved; 1963 Chevy 427 "Mystery Engine" and the 1964 Mercury 427. Purely bad lookin'.
Music to my ears!
That race track is Laguna Seca?
Like driving abrick with no breaks. You got to love it thanks for vid
Nothing beats that sound....except a Prat and Whitney R2800 radial.
Back when Stock Cars were actually Stock Cars... bought off the showroom. The bodies were all metal ... no plastic cookie cutter cars here.. all real cars. You could tell what kind of cars they were.... Chevy.... Ford.... Dodge.... Plymouth. You cant tell what kind of cars are racing today... they all look alike. I miss yesterday's Stock Cars
Hey, the Banana was there! Cool!
Just beautiful
Very cool and a thumbs up !
Anything Holman & Moody powered is a beast.... #FordRacing
Other than the drivetrain, a single racing seat, a roll cage, the wheels, and many of the features that weren't necessary on the track (such as heating and lights) removed to reduce weight, these stock racers utilized the same construction, had the exact same dimensions, and were as rigid as their street counterparts... The adjustable tubular frames, endless plates of generic looking sheetmetal, and grossly overpriced and "temperamental-at-best" ("Dude, I swear it was all working yesterday!") on-board electronics were ALL still years away!
Not really all that true. By this point they all had a spec rear suspension (ford 9” rear with Chevy truck trailing arms). They all used heavy duty truck spindle and brakes. The sheet metal was modified but still had to be the stock deck lid and roof. There also was a spec wheelbase. By the mid 60s the shift to custom spec racers had begun. As Richard Petty said “ we began to deviate from stock on day 1. When there was a common failure, we were allowed to upgrade that part. If lug studs started breaking we were allowed to used stronger ones. When wheels started breaking, we were allowed to used stronger ones. It was really an evolutionary thing”.
A reason such stockers were rarely raced on road courses, back in the 1960s, was due to the drum brakes they used. I doubt many of the stock cars seen in this video would have had effective stopping power lasting no more than a dozen laps or so on the Laguna Seca circuit. At Riverside in the 1960s, it was a little known fact that the stockers coasted through the turns in the latter part of that 500 mile road race, as the brakes had faded on the cars.
Penske's AMC Matador won the Riverside 500 race in 1972 due to the large disc brakes used, which was a first for that time on a NASCAR racer . . . as to paraphrase what driver Mark Donohue said: 'If we can't beat them with horsepower, then we'll beat them with brakes!' That 1972 Matador was turning lap times near the end of the race just as fast as at the beginning . . . while all the rest of the competitors had to slow down because of brake fade.
That Bobby Allison Monte Carlo though
Arthur Morgan .....Garbage Motors junk 🤷🏻♂️
LiberalsAreWorthless maybe now they are but back then they didn’t have made up JD power awards personally I’m a MOPAR guy
2:08 you had me at this car
Sign painting era liverys. Big part of the car culture Americanna.
Wonderful to see and hear these cars, but why are so many of them sitting inaccurately high?
Really love that sound, sound we do not have here in France. My brother and I bought a 1976 Chevy Impala but a small 386 does not sound like that !!
No engine can match that sound ! not even an italian one....
NASCAR has used 358s since the early 80s and they still sound pretty darn good.
Especially when they are still in real car bodies, sure lots of cages/rollbars etc but they were real
Wheres the MOPARS??
I miss the old days when they were STOCK cars modified. Not these silloette cars of today. With Cotton Owens,Fireball Roberts,David Pearson,Curtis Turner,Tom Pistone,Holman/Moody...those were the days...
unionrdr What year would you say those days ended?
I'd say by 1970, those days were definitely gone. Too much tubing through the cars, blistered fenders, etc. They started taking that first step away from "stock" cars at that point.
@@unionrdr they started moving from factory stock to spec race car on day 1. Richard Petty even said that it was an evolutionary process. It started out as strictly stock, but as certain failures became common, they were allowed to modify those parts, then other stuff started to fail, so that stuff got modified. And then safety became a concern and the cars started being modified for that as new safety regulations came in. NASCAR then began changing the rules for not only evening the field for more competitive racing but also to curtail expenses. By the late 60s all nascars had the same rear suspension (ford 9” rear with Chevy truck trailing arms). Then in the mid 70s, wheelbase became standardized. Then all cars had to run a small block, then the engines all had to be no bigger then 358. And on and on.
@@CamaroAmx Not so much then as later. Beefing the cars up to race was a given in those days. It's what we did. I was on a team of 3 sportsman stocks as a teen. Started at 15. But there's not much stock left of'em these days. I miss those days when we built them in a rented small building that could hold all three cars, parts, tools, etc. As a point of interest, My '65 Galaxy Custom was like the one in the video. Gold with a white top.
@@unionrdr there is at least one team in the nationwide series that has 6 full time crew members and work out of a section of rented warehouse that’s just big enough to hold their 4 cars and some spare parts (about 3 times the size of a standard 2 car garage).
There was a truck series team last year that actually built the truck in a 2 car garage by 3 people.
a Galaxie 500, that's it
God damn listen to them!
It's just a nitpick of mine but they always call it Grand National when some cars are from the early Winston Cup days.
what mean CP ?
@RobertBlack66 So true. Thank God for historic racing.
What beasts!
The group at Sonoma this year was a bit disappointing. Lack of variety mostly. I've also never seen a Matador in the group.
Mark Donohue drove the Matador... "The Flying Brick". . Until AMC went to the more aerodynamic Matador.
Near my house
Taking my 72 Elco road-Car
to track day
Hopefully SOON!
2010 the year i was born
soooo cooooool !!
2:23 Isn't that the car that Joe Weatherly got killed in ?
Joe Weatherly was driving the #8 car when he died that #16 car was driven by his teamate Darel Deringer (i think)
And.. it still has its oil cooler
They're playing my song!👍😃👍
When it was real racing
Nice!
You can't just blame NASCAR for the style of the current cars. The auto industry, in general, is cranking out some very forgettable (Toyota in particular) cars and NASCAR tries to make them "equal".
But I can still tell the difference between a production camaro and production mustang and a production Supra from 100 yards away even if it’s been debadged. Not so much with the current nascar. It’s a little better then it was with the COT, but still got a lot of ways to go. Then again, in the 80s it was difficult to tell a Le Mans from a Grand Prix. And unless you saw the front of a regal or Monte Carlo, you’d be hard pressed to tell the difference in NASCAR.
Cookie Cutter cars is NASCAR today.
Vintage American iron🇺🇸
Wonder what that Trans Am was doing out there...
beloog99 They raced in the ( NASCAR Grand American GT Series ) and Drivers like Buck Baker and H.B. Bailey did quite well with their Pontiac Firebirds :)
Mighta' been a liquor bottle under the seat of the 26.
you never heard a mercedes ssk
COOL!
Take these cars to an super speedway OVAL!!!!
This is love :-)
Why don't they campaign modern rides in Nascar, ain't any domestic parts in any of them.
old is cool.....
Well, maybe that and an 8 liter Chevy in a McLaren Can-Am car.
Cars form an era of Stockcar racing , not like the junk with stickers nascar is trying to pass off as cars today
Don't wreck Allison's Coca Cola #12!!!
666 just wanted to mess you up
This is better than the junk they drive today.. NASCAR today.. is awful...
Go ahead and install all the modern safety items, tires, shocks etc etc etc. But install all those items into 60's and 70's bodies and race those. At least we'd have some cars on the track that look like cars. The bodies of today look nothing like a showroom car. Nothing. And so what if they did. The sedans of today are the most boring cars ever created. So might as well go retro.
Look up the Touring car masters (TCM) series from Australia it's exactly that. The field is a mixture of old school American and Australian muscle cars but with modern developed suspension, brakes tyres etc and they race them really hard
Today's stock cars are all the same motor. There's no toyota, honda, ford, it's all a chevy based small block. Then when you put on a restrictor then it just gets stupid.
These drivers aren't racers...
Nope just rich people (or people who are working for rich people) who have the money to buy the cars and maintain them. This is just a hobby. Very rarely will you get a working man who happened to buy an old nascar at just the right time to get it for a cheaper price, but even they are by no means poor.
Thought I was watching entries to a demolition derby.
Lol that firebird supposed to be in SCCA; Tran-Am.
NASCAR today is a joke.And the joke isn't even funny.
It;s funny they did;nt perserve any chysler stuff
they were there ,just too fast to be seen by the naked eye !!!!!
all the mopar stuff is too famous to be driven.
The mopar stuff usually was sold off to low tier racers and to other series were they were rebodied. A lot of them of all makes ended up that way. As the saying goes “there’s nothing older then last years race car”. Only a handful were kept in original condition (all that depended on the team or sometimes the driver). Many were found with different bodies on them and slightly modified chassis. The people who restored them just put them back to nascar spec and rebodied them back to whatever they were in nascar. There is stories of nascar chassis built in the late 70s still being used in nascar into the late 90s, just rebodied and slightly modified to meet the newer specs.
who s the 7 loosers
dummy on 12 pitiful