How Germany could have won WW1: 1) immediately surrender to the French Republic - become a province of France 2) use higher population to win elections in France - change country name to Germany, change capital back to Berlin 3) own Russia 4) profit lol
Na there wd have been no need for it. Obviously you did not understand the impact of the versaille contracts. Germany was a greater power than england very well off but after ww1 stripped of land, industry dead, paying dept they can never ever ever pay whilst they are starving THAT is the only reason hitler got elected by 43 % and turned germany into north korea by the reichkristallnacht. So no mustachemen. Just be a bit more attentive in history class
Hans Grönkvist wilhelm2 ? That wd be maybe on the quest for the USAto make it a constituionally monarchie. Bismarck was very right about everything of foreign affairs just not the national ones. Wilhelm installed the first welfare state with social security. He cared about its people. I think he wd have gotten his colonies he desperatly wanted like france and england - he wd have been happy. the split up the middle east amongst each other resulting in the middle east conflict we have today.Like all the other monarchs- it was about power and overestimation. However germany indeed was a military superpower Beating russia and france. The brits were starving them.... sure wilhelm had an urge for recognition- as his mother never accepted him due to its handicapt arm. So maybe if she did, that wd have been a different story.....narcissm is build by lack of emotional needs met and overdtimulation on performance. I dont know if he was, but they dont see clearly. Bismarck kept saying Usa speaks english never forget. Keep close to russia! Russia is the key wilhelm didnt listen, he was only focused on england....
Fun fact:kaiser wilhelm II actually told Moltke to focus on Russia first while holding the french border then after defeating russia go do the Schlieffen plan to France just like in this video but Moltke told him he was stupid and went on with the Schlieffen plan And what's ironic is that the kaiser's plan had a higher probability to work than Schlieffen's plan do
Russia: Oh no.... I have 2 enemies on my eastern front. *Ottoman empire absolutely does nothing* *Russia: so anyways, I declared war at Ottoman empire*
@@lukecz2090 yeah, and also, The Ottomans were already gonna side with Germany because of certain agreements made during and even before the war started so idk if this guy just forgot about that or what :/
DarK Elemental There is a video of the Actual treaties, Russia gets the Versailles Treaty, has to release nations and Germany would annex huge chunks of Baltic territory under Russia
DarK Elemental Open a history book please. Germany declared war on France, after failing to impose humiliating conditions of surrendering the French forts alongside the border and occupying the French regions in order not to attack France. Many german well known historians like Fisher in his numerous studies showed that Germany was preparing war for many years and was doing all it could to start the war before the peace conference in 1915 and before that Russian would go in a full military potential. With the Septemberprogramm they already planned to annex parts of France and Belgium before the war. The attempts from the Kaiser to cause a war by threatening France during the two Maroc crisis were a failure. I am alway so surprised so see so many people making comments without any kind of knowledge about their own country history.
@@britishspy2640 They would have, had Austria relinquished south Tyrol and Trieste. Most of the General Staff of the Italian Army was preparing for an offensive against France, since they had the pact with Germany. Cadorna was actually surprised when he was ordered to take his troops East and attack Austria-Hungary
@@britishspy2640 Italy before war was a close ally of Germany and A-H. If A-H would give them Tyrol they would easily join Central Powers. That's common knowledge.
Loli KGB officer unit69 Actually the alternate history for Kaiserreich is WAYYYYY diferent to this. In Kaiserreich for example, Belgium is still invaded
Dr. Thomas Smith by the time the Americans arrived the spring offensive was over the German people were starving and the British and French were starting to make rapid gain
Templar S Hitler spent a lot of time killing Jews, doesn't mean we have to appreciate it. More to the point though, this whole channel is a farce. Example: he mentions Prezmisyl Fortress and all the surrounded men, which happened in real life, but he also said A-H focused solely on Serbia. His videos are littered with things like this.
"Adolf Hitler is injured" Well, that's irrelevant, since Weimar Germany never exists in this timeline, and Hitler can't rise to power. In fact, it was kind of irrelevant in this timeline as well.
This is such a dumb comment ADOLF HITLER WOULD'VE STILL BEEN A GERMAN SOLDIER BECAUSE THE WEIMAR REPUBLIC DIDN'T EXIST IN WW1 WHEN DID IT EVEN STATE ADOLF HITLER CONTROLLED GERMANY AT THE TIME???
@@Spanish_Conquistador When did _I_ say Hitler controlled Germany in WW1? And the fact remains, Hitler wouldn't have risen to power. Bringing up the fact that he gets injured in battle is entirely pointless.
I have to say, if this scenario would have happened, Finland would probably be kingdom, because in 1917 we had a plan, where Finland would become a kingdom with german ruler, because Finland had no royal family, but because Germany lost the WWI and that would not be cool to have ruler from loser country, so that never happened. So we have president nowdays
Neon it wouldn’t be a world war. Just a regional war between Serbia and Russia vs Austria-Hungary. Also, it would be extremely likely Germany would join in as they are very close allies with A-H.
Or Germany could do a 180 and commit to an alliance with Russia instead of AH. This would likely mean an alliance between France and AH, but AH would be surrounded and get defeated easily. Russia would get more influence in the Balkans and Germany could probably get Austria like they did in 1938.
@@jakes1566 till around 1880 Germany Austria and Russia was in an Kind of alliance but Willhelm II thought this is not so nice so he kicked Russia Kind of out so Germany and Austria was alone and Austria only atacked serbia because Germany said they will help against Russia
South Africa: USA Can I have some guns? USA: *YEA TAKE EM DUTCH IDIOT NOT TO MESS WITH MURICA* South Africa: thanks retard *gains independence* South Africa: oh no... Britain (say in British accent): I think we found our next victim.
You know because of they had half population of Germany and had much smaller economy-industrial production in both World War 1-2.So that’s not an equal fight and France really needed Allies.
@@AFT_05G Russia outnumbered Germany and still got clapped. Also look at the 7 years war, the forgotten world war. Prussia held out against basically all of Europe, it's only ally UK did basically nothing on the continent, only overseas fighting and maybe blockades. The land army was almost entirely prussia vs everyone else. It ended up being a narrow draw and almost a loss, but considering it was against the entire continent and germany wasn't even United, and some germans even fought against them (Austria), that was amazing. From the early 1700s-ww1, Prussia (and later Germany) lost only once to a once in a lifetime general (napoleon) during the worst time for Prussia. That's an amazing record.
I'm going to be focusing on the problems I find in this hypothetical scenario, and will go by the timeline presented in this video. 1. Britain would've entered the war either way, as not only did the government want to support France, but if the Central Powers won the Weltkrieg, Britain would be without allies in Europe, and in a sea of German influence. If the Entente won the Great War, Britain once again would be friendless, leaving the Empire open to isolation. The Jerrys had calculated Britain would join the war with or without them invading Belgium. 2. Austria-Hungary in our timeline couldn't capitulate the Serbs for a year, only doing so with the help of her allies. If A-H focuses on the Russian front, the Bosnians, Croatians and Slovenes would rise up, as it would look like the Empire abandoned them, leaving the gates of Vienna open to a Serbian invasion. Although the Serbian army wasn't the mightiest, the French would supply them and even send their own forces to help them out. Italy, seeing the A-H-Italian border relatively undefended, would pounce on this opportunity, marching to Vienna as the bulk of the enemies army is out there crippling Russia. Although the Italian army was capable, it couldn't compare to the armies of the Great Powers. French supplies would bolster their strength, forcing the A-H to withdraw a sizable chunk of their army to fight the Italians, Serbs, French and the rebels. 3. A-H would refuse to give up the territory they owned to Italy. Their own ally requesting their hard-earned land they fought for would be unfathomable for them. 4. Why would Russia declare war on another nation when they themselves were fighting the Deutsches Reich and A-H? Seems a bit counter-productive. 5.Why did the Turks start the Armenian Genocide? They only did it in our timeline because they were loosing on all fronts, and they used the Armenians as a scapegoat to blame all their defeats onto them (Kinda like the Nazi Party when you think about it). 6. Britain entering the war after the French and Russians faced heavy casualties is a bit unrealistic. Either they join the war on France's side at the start, or they join the Central Powers after staying out of it, realizing they have more to gain by joining the "winning" side. 7. This might be just a mistake but why would the Toms leave the force in Kut alone, severing reinforcements from coming in. The rivers are their only way of supplying the besieged force or break the siege entirely. 8. The Central Powers just left Serbia and Montenegro to their own devices, knowing the British and French fleets are strong enough to supply and send their own forces there to help Serbia and Montenegro advance deeper into Bulgaria and Austro-Hungary? And the Balkan entente just sat there, doing nothing? The Serbs wouldn't collapse that easily, fighting in the mountains and having a home-field advantage would allow them to survive for longer. 9. I believe the Russian high command wouldn't be that obtuse to notice 1,000,000 of their own men could easily be encircled in own quick advancement by the enemy. Considering they could pull of a "great retreat" from Poland, they could probably achieve the same results _and_ not lose 1,000,000 men and all the equipment the had. 10. You're telling me the Central Powers wouldn't impose harsh conditions onto the crippled Russians? They Russians would throw in the towel either way, so they don't have enough major power at the negotiating table to not pay war reparations and hand over even more territory. 11. While I agree the Germans couldn't really occupy all of their occupied territory, there's the rest of the Central Powers, as well as the option of turning them into puppets to control them. If the Soviets managed to industrialize, whats stopping from the Germans from making them into urbanizing them to match the rest of Germany. 12. I don't get why it takes 1 year for the Americans to transfer troops to Europe. Just because one ship is sunk doesn't mean the other hundreds of ships can't be launched. The U.S.A has enough factories to produce the same amount of weapons that were lost to the sea in a week at it's slowest rate. When Corporal Hitler was wounded at age 27, the year was 1916, and by the time the Americans would arrive it would either be 1917 or 1918. Also remember the blockade? The Germans are probably suffering from malnutrition weakening them further. 13. How can Germany outperform both France and Britain. Both have huge empires which means more men can be mustered. They also have more resources. In fact, the British empire alone in 1914 had over 5 times the amount of people living in its borders than Germany did in 1914. France and her colonies go toe-to-toe with Germany in terms of population size. With more people working at factories and fighting in the army, the Germans should be running out of resources save for Coal and Steel. I suppose Ottoman and Romanian Oil and Ukrainian wheat keeps the German war machine running, but as we saw earlier the British have taken the Mesopotamian oil fields controlled by the Ottomans, and Ukraine is ravaged by war as Zvallid. 14. When the French attacked in sheer desperation against the German lines but to no avail, where is the Commonwealth? British morale would be higher than French morale, and they could probably slightly push the Germans back. 15. In theory, the British and Americans could wage a brutal war against the Central Powers. Fighting in the Middle Eastern desert, landing in Sicily, and taking back French Colonies, but signing the armistice was a smart move. I might have over-analyzed your work a bit to much, and I hope I have done nothing more than use constructive criticism to help you improve your work. To summarize: a bit unrealistic. Still, great video. I appreciate the hard work you have put into this video
12 The US had not really a great military at the time they entered the war. Actually they had to start to build up the army in the real timeline at the moment they entered it. The war against the US started in 1917 and it took them until fall of 1918 to be the force who stopped the germans. 13 Colonies are usually not ones because they chose to. They are ones because they are suppressed by a stronger force. If the french or brits would have used the possible manpower of their colonies to fight for them, they would have lost their colonies in no time. 15 In reality the US joined the war because the germans promised Mexico to support them against the US if they would start a war against them. In this timeline, that would not be possible, so it is rather unrealistic for them to join the war against Germany. They werent really keen on fighting abroad that time.
@@asgdfjkglh5414 1. I agree with you on my twelfth point. However, building an army of a million is feasible for a nation as populated and industrialised as the US. In our timeline yes, the Americans came through only at the very end. Any number of men helps, and in our timeline American men were sent to British and French battalions, as their numbers were small and couldn't make up their own unit. In our timeline many Africans fought against each other in the Great War. They didn't successfully revolt; in fact the British were at their greatest colonial extent after war, as they added some German colonies and added them to her collection. Many people from British Raj headed out to the Western front. 1 million in fact. And even then, if no colonial men were to be sent to the front, they could still be working in the factories and growing food for the army. The Zimmerman telegram was the frosting on the cake for American intervention. Jerry's cable to America was severed by the Tommys, and all information that reached America was controlled by Tommy. This means the Brits could over exaggerate everything the Germans did, and the Public and the media would believe it, which further ignited America's passion for war. The unrestricted submarine warfare the Jerry's used hit American ships or sunk ships with a large number of Americans on board, adding more coal for the fire of war to eat.
This was honestly amazing, I was totally taken aback by the quality of this alternate timeline's creation. Great alternate timeline. Also, I feel like the USA's casus belli for entering the war was kinda shady...If the Lusitania ITTL was shipping munitions to the British, that makes it a legitimate military target of the Kriegsmarine.
I see a few minor mistakes but overall this was a great video. I love battle strategy and history. You should make a video on how this timeline's WW2 would have gone down.
As Austria Hungary took its winnings I was thinking: Don't blow up don't blow up dont blow up don't blow up DAMMIT AUSTRIA YA INHALED TO MANY ETHNIC GROUPS AND YA FECKIN BLEW UP
Unless they resolved prior cracks there wouldn't have been a shot at staying as one... they had good plans pre war but the hungarians did not give enough breathing space for the ethnicites pre war... a direct relation ship with the kaiser would be more plausible post war, as the new kaiser would like a more stable "union" as it was headed by Franz Joseph
But I'd like Ukrainie, Belarus to be bigger - reaching the caucuses. Then a puppet government to be installed in Russia And France completely cutting off Britain from Europe
if i remember correctly, AH was ready to give to italy the lands tgey asked but didnt want to give trieste that was a key port for the empire and one of the key territories in italys demands
Excellent! Very interesting and thanks for all the study you put into it. The maps were great. I am 66 and started reading history books by the armful when I was 9 or 10 and thank you for this ! I would love to see part 2 as well. from veteran-US Navy
+Juan Martinez Britain declared war on prussia(Germany) because they would invade belgium to attack the french. britain and belgium signed that if belgium was ever invaded britain would support belgium,germany didnt think britain would take any bother if they invaded belgium but britain did and then britain now with the triple antante declared war on the triple alliance
+MIREANU STEFAN you re right my brother. this guy didnt mentioned the romanian entrance in the war in 1916, that in 1918 received Transilvania and other detailes. Dislike ...
@БОСНА ЈЕ СРПСКА 〈3〈3〈3 your first comment is the thing. "Outnumbered" I'm pretty sure that he is a Bulgarian. I could continue giving you hints, but I think you would figure it out
The not invading Belgium strategy was called the Moltke Plan, which involved holding the Rhine between Belgium and Switzerland with 5 armies and turning against the Russians with 6. This war plan is available in AGEOD’s “End All Wars” grand strategy PC game about WW1. It does not stop GB from entering the war however, it just delays their entry. There is no guarantee Britain would not have joined the Allies because of a non violation of Belgian neutrality. The Anglo-French alliance via the 1904 Entente Cordiale was still in effect. They would have joined at some point earlier rather than later.
This was not the Moltke Plan. This was the Kaiser Plan. The Schlieffen Plan or Schlieffen-Moltke Plan was the invasion through Belgium that was formulated by Alfred Von Schlieffen and Helmuth Von Moltke the Younger. This was Kaiser Wilhelm II's Plan which definitely had a higher chance of success rather than the Schlieffen Plan.
@@terrymeng6321 Well considering the Russians are getting absolutely destroyed and France is also slowly losing territory. This might be the time to join in.
@@jaredjosephsongheng372 I thought France was the one taking the offence so they aren't losing territory. But all I am saying is there is no way for Britain to join the war right away, a year later sounds plausible.
This really is a very well done and thought out video. I find myself coming back and re-watching it over and over. Really hope you do another one for WWII in this timeline!
Nah. Britain isn't completely lost. The BEF remains intact according to the scenario, so we don't see armies destroyed. Further more, the Brits have maintained a blockade. A Britain who lost will ironically spell the doom to the Irish. As they clamp down the Irish revolt in fear of a German ally literally next to Britain.
in 1914 Germany and Austria declared war on literally half of the world without even asking Italy what did they think or give them 2 little border cities. Why Italy should have joined their war?
zvallid because Italy was bound by treaty to assist Germany/Austria in case any of the Great Powers declared war on them. The Central Powers didn't declare war on the whole world, they declared war on Serbia, which Made Russia DoW Austria, which made Germany DoW Russia, which made France DoW Germany, which made Germany attack France through Belgium, which made Britain DoW Germany. So really, the Central Powers only declared war on teo or three countries, not the whole world. Besides, the point is that had Italy honored its original part of the Triple Alliance, France would have had to fight a two front war, and Austria would have only fought on one front. The whole stalemate on the Western Front may have never happened, and the war may have ended much sooner. The Central Powers came close to winning the war, Italy may have been just enough to prevent it from becoming 4 years of insanity.
Declaring war on France Belgium Serbia Russia is not declaring war on 4 countries. It's half of the world. And if Germany did not declare war on Russia, WW1 never started
zvallid nobody declared war on france, france declared war on the central powers, honoring their part of the Triple Entente. That's beside the point, though. France honored its treaties. Britain honored it's treaties. Everyone honored their treaties, except for Italy, who balked and then betrayed their former allies. The Central Powers held out against "the rest of the world" and almost won, but at great cost to everyone involved. Had the Italians added to the strength of the Central Powers instead of draining it, the war could have been over much quicker and with less draconian peace settlements, removing the prerequisites for the second war.
Probably you have some problems with Italy. Read wikipedia, Germany declared war on France. Germans love treaties except when they have to respect them, look at Barbarossa operation for example and the 2 invasons of the neutral Belgium is not something to be proud of.
You are playing too much Europa Universalis 4 (or a similar game). Really. What happened in WWI is simple : Germany had the upper hand, but the Trench warfare stopped the front. Reality is so simple. Most of your "offensives" are a copy of the first part of the war, when Germany could advance easily, but unless Germany started to use their few tanks with almost perfect efficience (which took almost 3 years to the Triple-Entente), the western front would have remained unchanged. Also, you consider that Belgium will stay neutral (ok, let's accept it), but you delay the Schlieffen Plan for TWO YEARS and expect the same outcome ? With TWO YEARS to prepare and with the trenchs used for one year, Belgium would have delayed the german offensive. And at 11:03, could you tell us how the front line moves so much with the trenches ? And how the french side waits when they can outflank Germany easily ? Basically, your video tells us : 1) If Germany wins all the battles 2) If France, Great-Britain and Belgium are stupid. 3) If the russian revolution happen 2 years earlier than what really happened. 4) If the Lusitania was sinked 1 year later. Germany wins the war. Too much if's to me.
Michał Hunicz check the video again. Another example : when Germany invaded Belgium, Belgium was building defenses and unprepared. Give them 2 years and trenches, they won't pass in a few days.
Wow, I did not expect this to be so well thought out. Great job. However, I think that after AH descends into chaos, Galicia should probably join Poland. Then again, there's still a possibility that Germans would object - it seems that in this scenario they'd have enough problems with Polish nationalism even without making Poland stronger.
@@Wm7forthewin the idea of being Socialist but only for your nation is not German,also Nazis wanted Aryan race to be dominant and French were Aryan in their eyes too.
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EarthIs NotFlat France and friends win. Much like are war with fast Herman offenses into Russia being pushed back in winter. China un industrialized is easy prey. Vast majority of central pacific allied or nuetral and with a Pearl Harbor style attack Germany would be weak on the region. And with France being on the attack and Germany caught off guard early on in the west is stalemate but France retaking old lands used to mine iron.
You could argue that in this timeline, Britain and USA never join the war, since Germany never invades Belgium until 1916, and they also are never desperate enough to issue unrestricted submarine warfare.
I mean, another reason why GB declared war was because they didn't want Germany to become the dominant power, but there's there's chance they won't care and ignore. If that were to happen then U.S would probably remain neutral or join the Ceentral powers because German Americans were eager to help Germany.
Jeremy M It was also the pearl Harbor bombing that really pushed America into the war. If Japan never bombed the harbor the chance of it would be smaller and I think another reason was that Hitler had sent a telegram to Mexico to help him take America and win the war and if they won they would get something. Great Britain got the message and told America about it which was another reason. So if pearl Harbor, the message and the ship sinking America might not of went to war.
ChillCentral they would not want to fight a war simply becuse of that. The british and germany were also quite good friends with each other before the war and were the people who wanted it the lest. France wanted revenge on germany for their humiliting loss 1871.
Arceus Legend Greece was not neutral. Greece was fighting the Ottoman Empire since the revolution of 1821 and then 1st and 2nd Balkan War, against Ottoman Empire and Bulgaria. Is not pictured on this video, but by 1920 Greek territory has expanded to Thrace and (ex)Ottoman coasts till Bursa-Eskisehir-Afyonkarahisar-Antalya line, but after the Sevres Treaty (August 10th, 1920) limited just to Smyrna territory administration. The Allies (British Empire, France and Italy) were the Signatories and Depositaries of the Treaty of Serves, "Partitioning" the Ottoman Empire. Romania was also benefited by the treaty.
Constantinos Vassilakis Yeah. And in 1923 they got their asses handed to them by fucking Turkey. Good job Greece, sucking at war again. 20 years after capitulating to Germany in 2 months.
Hey man just wanted to say, amazing job! Ignore all the hate it's normal in a video like this. I'm not pro anything but this was amazing! Super well made
why USA become a siuperpower? also if they had lost few soldiers they had lost the war. USA became a superpower only for its support to the victorius UK. anyway this is a very well made alternate history but i think it's stupid for kaiser to make clients states in ucraine and poland instead of annex them and also i think that russia wouldn't declare war against germany and that USA wouldn't annex canada and australia and that WW2 wouldn't happened. (if there are grammatical errors it's because i'm italian and i don't know english very well)
France would not be alone, as I’ve said in multiple of these comments, the UK parliament had already voted to go to war way earlier, Belgium only sped it up slightly.
@Wilhelm II. Not sure about that, they would either flip to communism or go democratic because we're in the modern world. Fascism has no chance of growing since they didn't lose.
@ people won't love the monarchy long enough. Monarchist government depends on luck if you either an actual competent leader or someone who has no brain. It happens and has happened in every monarchy. It will eventually die.
17:24 Turkey might join too, after seeing that the centrals actually won in this scenario. The reason they didn't join until so late was because of fear that neither side could actually protect them. I tested the "road to war" mod in civ 4, was turkey, went against the Nazis Istanbul fell, and then i rage quitted However, in this scenerio, they could possibly beleive that the germans could protect them, so they go on the second central
One thing- the Nivelle Offensive was a direct product of his tactics at Verdun (which also got him appointed to army chief of staff). Without the battle of Verdun, the Nivelle offensive probably wouldn't have happened.
But if germany won WWI it would have developed into a superpower and well basically the best way to explain it is the world being like today with america's influence being spread all over the world but instead of america it would be german influence being spread over the world and instead of american also germany would take so much advantage from winning the great war that it would probably not have any rivals.
+Confederate Blayre Unlikely, the USA would still have developed into an economic superpower, they didn't really need the wars for that, it just made things happen a bit faster. So if anything it would have been a conflict over control between Germany and the USA, instead of USA against USSR.
I am with you but as long as the usa was replaced with the confederate states of america but germany and the csa dominated together with some kind of ultimate alliance.
0:45 yes, france alone could probably hold off an invasion if Germany had decided to invade through the border, it would take a long time as it would be a two front war, germany had 4.5M troops I believe. Russia had nearly that much.
At least portugal has a pretty safe position... how the hell greece didn't join the war? bulgaria italy and ottomans next to her. They all casually ignored her, and UK casually didn't join the war... and french casually lost every battle without killing a single man xD Just nope
Certainly up until the end of WW1, this is by far the most realistic alternative outcomes to WW1 I have seen on TH-cam, good work! It takes into account many salient points, notably in the West, where whoever was on the defensive was going to be able with the new weapons of war to withstand an invasion. The East plays out pretty much as expected. The war would hinge on the Western Front, and the question is, would Belgium just sit by for a further year doing nothing. Probably not. The Schlieffen Plan just wouldn't be as effective (it was already out of date when it was implemented, the Germans basically got lucky until the Marne). Nevertheless, failing any disastrous tactical defeats, the war could probably have been brought to an armistice in Germany's favour. The British would have been far from down and out... maybe a tacit arrangement would have been reached whereby Germany has the upper hand in Europe as long as it doesn't get greedy out in the colonies? My only other niggle is that the Bolsheviks would have got the upper hand even in this scenario - with no allied help for the Whites (who still lost) and no newly independent Poland to fight, Lenin would have got the USSR established. Turkey is a bit of a head scratcher too - if Ataturk still rose up, wouldn't Germany and A-H support their fellow monarchists? Either way, without France, Syria and perhaps Iraq would remain in Turkish hands for a while yet. Anyhow... good work!
yeah the schlieffenplan simply did not work with the modern warfare. The only reason it *kinda* worked in 1914 is because then everybody was still fighting old-school
Actually if Germany had won Finland would become a monarchy with Friedrich Karl ( Wilhelms cousin) as the king. In real timeline after finland got its independence and Germany helped them with their civil war, Finland invited him to be their monarch, but he never made it because after Germany lost he went to exile
At the outset of World War One, it wasn't at all clear that the Netherlands would remain neutral. Still furious with Britain for taking over their South African colonies, many Dutch people - including some government figures - wanted to side with Germany. If the Dutch had supported or even joined in the German invasion of Belgium and France, then it might have gone easier for the Central Powers. Further, if the US had remained isolationist, which could well have happened had the Germans not antagonised America on several occasions, then the defeat of Russia would have freed up millions of German soldiers to join the fight on the Western Front against Britain and France, already suffering badly against the Germans and their Dutch allies. Just one of the ways in which I think the Central Powers - or at least Germany - could have won WW1, although really it was anyone's game until the battle of Amiens in August 1918. After that, though, the Germans just couldn't recover and the renewed Allied offensive was able to defeat them
The Netherlands never wanted to join any side if they joined the Allies for example Germany would have smashed them and if they would have joind the centrals The netherlands would probably be blockaded by the british navy and the Dutch could even lose there colonies to the Allies
+Fake Name The Netherlands were much more useful to the Germans as neutrals then as an ally. It allowed supplies to be shipped from warring nations and other neutrals into her ports, and more often then not some of those supplies would end up in German hands. The ports could easily be blockaded, the dutch army was rather small and ill-equipped, and the population as a whole didn't want to go to war. To keep the United States out then Germany would need to not go with un-restricted submarine warfare and of course not send the Zimmerman telegram. Even still, it wouldn't be enough for them to win the war. Sooner or later riots and mutinies or famine would erupt in Germany as they did OTL. The credit and loans given to the Entente by the United States was much more decisive then the actual troop count. It only sped up the process.
+Juan Martinez You're basically replying to all the comments with this stupid explanation. How the war started has nothing to do with the upsides and downfalls of The Netherlands being on the Alliance, Entente, or neutral side.
Germany stands no chance in this ww2, if their fleet only “seriously rivals Britain” than it stands absolutely no chance against the US and Japanese fleets and China and Italy are both terrible allies, even if Italy is a little more powerful it would still likely be the subject of terrible military leadership and internal issues, the Russians probably wouldn’t be as powerful as our timeline but would still field quite a large army and would also probably have Japanese reinforcements later in the war, the Americans and British would wipe the floor with Germany since they already have a foothold in Europe and the Americans easily outclass the Germans in industry and population even if the Germans had Austria and southern Belgium.
@Rick Vis Still with Japan and the US not having to worry about each other, massive naval production would have occurred. Could you imagine an armada of the British Empire, the Japanese Empire and the American navies all up against a country who could only rival one of them?
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How Germany could have won WW1:
1) immediately surrender to the French Republic - become a province of France
2) use higher population to win elections in France - change country name to Germany, change capital back to Berlin
3) own Russia
4) profit lol
@The Wehrmacht General lmao, it's basically what they have done finally, except they did it using the EU
Is that a oversimplified reference
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@The Wehrmacht General That "profit" makes it seem so...
Sounds like a plan for a man who is an absolute madma'am.
If the German Empire won WWI, that guy with a silly mustache would haven’t come to power.
Na there wd have been no need for it. Obviously you did not understand the impact of the versaille contracts.
Germany was a greater power than england very well off but after ww1 stripped of land, industry dead, paying dept they can never ever ever pay whilst they are starving
THAT is the only reason hitler got elected by 43 % and turned germany into north korea by the reichkristallnacht.
So no mustachemen.
Just be a bit more attentive in history class
Right, and the guy with a handlebar moustache woul stay in power.
Hans Grönkvist wilhelm2 ?
That wd be maybe on the quest for the USAto make it a constituionally monarchie. Bismarck was very right about everything of foreign affairs just not the national ones. Wilhelm installed the first welfare state with social security. He cared about its people. I think he wd have gotten his colonies he desperatly wanted like france and england - he wd have been happy. the split up the middle east amongst each other resulting in the middle east conflict we have today.Like all the other monarchs- it was about power and overestimation. However germany indeed was a military superpower
Beating russia and france. The brits were starving them....
sure wilhelm had an urge for recognition- as his mother never accepted him due to its handicapt arm. So maybe if she did, that wd have been a different story.....narcissm is build by lack of emotional needs met and overdtimulation on performance.
I dont know if he was, but they dont see clearly. Bismarck kept saying
Usa speaks english never forget.
Keep close to russia! Russia is the key wilhelm didnt listen, he was only focused on england....
Don’t worry, another guy with a mustache and a withered arm would have simply owned everything.
*silly mustache get it right bruh
Fun fact:kaiser wilhelm II actually told Moltke to focus on Russia first while holding the french border then after defeating russia go do the Schlieffen plan to France just like in this video but Moltke told him he was stupid and went on with the Schlieffen plan
And what's ironic is that the kaiser's plan had a higher probability to work than Schlieffen's plan do
Cpl. Rook Like the video said it won’t matter if the French pushed into Germany that far
Cpl. Rook It’s more accurate than taking just cause the French take Elsass-Lothringen that the Germans would surrender
Cpl. Rook that’s basically what you’re implying when you say that
You mean Molkte THE YOUNGER?
@Corporal Rook without Britain, France couldn't have done much
September 1914 : Germany at The Gates of Warsaw
September 1939 : Germany at The Gates of Warsaw
September 2047: Germany at the gates of Warsaw
2030: Luxemburg at the gates of Warsaw.
+Random Games 101 r/woooosh
@Random Games 101 But its Germans Take Warsaw in 1939,Russia in 1945
September 2139
West-Europe Confederation at the Gate of Warshaw(capital of East Europe State)
when you can restart the game
Russia: being 2v1'd by A-H and Germany
Also Russia: declares war on the Ottoman empire
Russia: Oh no.... I have 2 enemies on my eastern front.
*Ottoman empire absolutely does nothing*
*Russia: so anyways, I declared war at Ottoman empire*
@@LordMedic Well it was the ottomans who attacked the russians by bombarding sevastopol.
@@lukecz2090 yeah, and also, The Ottomans were already gonna side with Germany because of certain agreements made during and even before the war started so idk if this guy just forgot about that or what :/
@@lukecz2090 I am pretty sure the ottomans aloud German ships to bomb sevastopool though the Turkish strait
@@board-qu9iu ? No, how would german ships get to the Mediterranean ? :D
Step one:
Don't forget that Russia exists.
Step two:
Check if you done the first step.
Strep three:
Rule Europe.
No, step 2 is don't forget Britain is a thinh
eh maybe it would better is Germany to forgot Russia exits in ww2 lol
@@theusa2317 Staline was preparing an invasion of Germany anyway so the collapse of Germany in WWII was pretty much inevitable
Well... If british do a.peace after fall of france german could defeat soviet
step one
don't forget that russia exists
step two forget that france exists
step three go around france
I would love to see the new "WWII What if " with this scenario
There is
@Piero Bernedo The USSR Does not exist
Per un mondo più pulito torna in vita zio benito
This is a better plan then the original central powers war plan
Easy answer: *No WW2*
Learn history kid.
so basically france got the treaty of versailles turned on them
DarK Elemental basically
DarK Elemental There is a video of the Actual treaties, Russia gets the Versailles Treaty, has to release nations and Germany would annex huge chunks of Baltic territory under Russia
For a war we havent started lol
DarK Elemental
Open a history book please. Germany declared war on France, after failing to impose humiliating conditions of surrendering the French forts alongside the border and occupying the French regions in order not to attack France. Many german well known historians like Fisher in his numerous studies showed that Germany was preparing war for many years and was doing all it could to start the war before the peace conference in 1915 and before that Russian would go in a full military potential. With the Septemberprogramm they already planned to annex parts of France and Belgium before the war. The attempts from the Kaiser to cause a war by threatening France during the two Maroc crisis were a failure. I am alway so surprised so see so many people making comments without any kind of knowledge about their own country history.
Because France in Alliance with England, and England could not allow the excessive strengthening of Germany.
**KAISER VILLHELM THE SECOND WANT TO KNOW YOUR LOCATION**
*Wilhem
@Kaiser Wilhelm II I miss you daddy
SwetyBG nazi France runnnnnnnnnnnn
@Kaiser Wilhelm II i miss u
@Kaiser Wilhelm II i miss him aswell
I appreciate how this theory is realistic and believable
*Germany declares war on the ottoman empire*
Italy joining the central powers
relistic
@@britishspy2640 They would have, had Austria relinquished south Tyrol and Trieste. Most of the General Staff of the Italian Army was preparing for an offensive against France, since they had the pact with Germany. Cadorna was actually surprised when he was ordered to take his troops East and attack Austria-Hungary
@@britishspy2640 Italy before war was a close ally of Germany and A-H. If A-H would give them Tyrol they would easily join Central Powers. That's common knowledge.
Still no mention of HOW the war is won. merely a statement that it was. how is that realistic?
and thus hoi4 kaiserreich was born..
Paradox industries would like to know your location.
@@basil9973 What's Paradox Industries? Also, the mod is developed by independent modders.
Ateusz Don’t think that’s what he meant dude
@@mikebather6688 What else is there to mean? I know it's a meme, but if it had two major factual errors in it, it doesn't really work.
Loli KGB officer unit69 Actually the alternate history for Kaiserreich is WAYYYYY diferent to this. In Kaiserreich for example, Belgium is still invaded
Or Germany could’ve just not sent the Zimmerman Telegram.
This
Even without the US the centralpowers would lose ww1 the central powers had no chance to break throw the western front
Kürbis G Kaiserschlacht? 1914 Breakthrough? About 14 Kilometers away from Paris? Also, mind you, this is coming from a British person.
Dr. Thomas Smith by the time the Americans arrived the spring offensive was over the German people were starving and the British and French were starting to make rapid gain
Dr. Thomas Smith they would have won without America
Why this video has so many dislikes???Do the people know how much work does a man needs to make a video like this??
Just because a video takes a long time to make doesn't mean it's good.
Adaptoid Yes but at least the people should understand and appreciate the work of zvallid
Adaptoid Not just disliking because they are jealus or racist
Templar S Hitler spent a lot of time killing Jews, doesn't mean we have to appreciate it. More to the point though, this whole channel is a farce. Example: he mentions Prezmisyl Fortress and all the surrounded men, which happened in real life, but he also said A-H focused solely on Serbia. His videos are littered with things like this.
Patrick Filion Thats because its an alternate history and he must add things that would have probably happened
"Adolf Hitler is injured"
Well, that's irrelevant, since Weimar Germany never exists in this timeline, and Hitler can't rise to power. In fact, it was kind of irrelevant in this timeline as well.
This is such a dumb comment ADOLF HITLER WOULD'VE STILL BEEN A GERMAN SOLDIER BECAUSE THE WEIMAR REPUBLIC DIDN'T EXIST IN WW1 WHEN DID IT EVEN STATE ADOLF HITLER CONTROLLED GERMANY AT THE TIME???
@@Spanish_Conquistador When did _I_ say Hitler controlled Germany in WW1? And the fact remains, Hitler wouldn't have risen to power. Bringing up the fact that he gets injured in battle is entirely pointless.
@@deleetiusproductions3497 its hitler it was just some info he wanted to throw in it was like for like 5 seconds anyways
Even though irrelevant i think its still fun to look at since we look at what happends to the people that actually did something in our timeline
@@deleetiusproductions3497 Like george bush spontaneously combusted in india or something in a wild scenario
German army: write that down write that down
Hey kim
This is why you don't make vids about how to win against the world
I have to say, if this scenario would have happened, Finland would probably be kingdom, because in 1917 we had a plan, where Finland would become a kingdom with german ruler, because Finland had no royal family, but because Germany lost the WWI and that would not be cool to have ruler from loser country, so that never happened. So we have president nowdays
I mean Finland would be monarchy, if that sounds more realistic
ruler from loser country
Finland actually had King for couple weeks.
I don't like Monarchy xd 🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮
Your English sucks
how germany could have won ww1:
Dont help Austria-Hungary.
Neon it wouldn’t be a world war. Just a regional war between Serbia and Russia vs Austria-Hungary. Also, it would be extremely likely Germany would join in as they are very close allies with A-H.
Or Germany could do a 180 and commit to an alliance with Russia instead of AH. This would likely mean an alliance between France and AH, but AH would be surrounded and get defeated easily. Russia would get more influence in the Balkans and Germany could probably get Austria like they did in 1938.
HoI4
@@jakes1566 till around 1880 Germany Austria and Russia was in an Kind of alliance but Willhelm II thought this is not so nice so he kicked Russia Kind of out so Germany and Austria was alone and Austria only atacked serbia because Germany said they will help against Russia
A-H attacked Serbia because they killed the Austrian Prince in Serbia when he visited them
Germany is the one teammate who is really good but always gets stuck with the bad teammates.
South Africa: YES INDEPENCE!!!!
Netherlands: hold my bear
South Africa: USA Can I have some guns?
USA: *YEA TAKE EM DUTCH IDIOT NOT TO MESS WITH MURICA*
South Africa: thanks retard
*gains independence*
South Africa: oh no...
Britain (say in British accent): I think we found our next victim.
@@NoLimitZico *the sun never sets*
*North american british territory*
ALL HAIL BRITANNIA
Independence more like under new management
Lel
*beer
Another episode of:
France can't win against Germany without having to call in 3 Majors/Superpowers.
Austria cant win against France without having to call all of Europe
Bruh
You know because of they had half population of Germany and had much smaller economy-industrial production in both World War 1-2.So that’s not an equal fight and France really needed Allies.
@@AFT_05G what about franco-prussian war?
@@AFT_05G Russia outnumbered Germany and still got clapped. Also look at the 7 years war, the forgotten world war. Prussia held out against basically all of Europe, it's only ally UK did basically nothing on the continent, only overseas fighting and maybe blockades. The land army was almost entirely prussia vs everyone else. It ended up being a narrow draw and almost a loss, but considering it was against the entire continent and germany wasn't even United, and some germans even fought against them (Austria), that was amazing. From the early 1700s-ww1, Prussia (and later Germany) lost only once to a once in a lifetime general (napoleon) during the worst time for Prussia. That's an amazing record.
I'm going to be focusing on the problems I find in this hypothetical scenario, and will go by the timeline presented in this video.
1. Britain would've entered the war either way, as not only did the government want to support France, but if the Central Powers won the Weltkrieg, Britain would be without allies in Europe, and in a sea of German influence. If the Entente won the Great War, Britain once again would be friendless, leaving the Empire open to isolation. The Jerrys had calculated Britain would join the war with or without them invading Belgium.
2. Austria-Hungary in our timeline couldn't capitulate the Serbs for a year, only doing so with the help of her allies. If A-H focuses on the Russian front, the Bosnians, Croatians and Slovenes would rise up, as it would look like the Empire abandoned them, leaving the gates of Vienna open to a Serbian invasion. Although the Serbian army wasn't the mightiest, the French would supply them and even send their own forces to help them out. Italy, seeing the A-H-Italian border relatively undefended, would pounce on this opportunity, marching to Vienna as the bulk of the enemies army is out there crippling Russia. Although the Italian army was capable, it couldn't compare to the armies of the Great Powers. French supplies would bolster their strength, forcing the A-H to withdraw a sizable chunk of their army to fight the Italians, Serbs, French and the rebels.
3. A-H would refuse to give up the territory they owned to Italy. Their own ally requesting their hard-earned land they fought for would be unfathomable for them.
4. Why would Russia declare war on another nation when they themselves were fighting the Deutsches Reich and A-H? Seems a bit counter-productive.
5.Why did the Turks start the Armenian Genocide? They only did it in our timeline because they were loosing on all fronts, and they used the Armenians as a scapegoat to blame all their defeats onto them (Kinda like the Nazi Party when you think about it).
6. Britain entering the war after the French and Russians faced heavy casualties is a bit unrealistic. Either they join the war on France's side at the start, or they join the Central Powers after staying out of it, realizing they have more to gain by joining the "winning" side.
7. This might be just a mistake but why would the Toms leave the force in Kut alone, severing reinforcements from coming in. The rivers are their only way of supplying the besieged force or break the siege entirely.
8. The Central Powers just left Serbia and Montenegro to their own devices, knowing the British and French fleets are strong enough to supply and send their own forces there to help Serbia and Montenegro advance deeper into Bulgaria and Austro-Hungary? And the Balkan entente just sat there, doing nothing? The Serbs wouldn't collapse that easily, fighting in the mountains and having a home-field advantage would allow them to survive for longer.
9. I believe the Russian high command wouldn't be that obtuse to notice 1,000,000 of their own men could easily be encircled in own quick advancement by the enemy. Considering they could pull of a "great retreat" from Poland, they could probably achieve the same results _and_ not lose 1,000,000 men and all the equipment the had.
10. You're telling me the Central Powers wouldn't impose harsh conditions onto the crippled Russians? They Russians would throw in the towel either way, so they don't have enough major power at the negotiating table to not pay war reparations and hand over even more territory.
11. While I agree the Germans couldn't really occupy all of their occupied territory, there's the rest of the Central Powers, as well as the option of turning them into puppets to control them. If the Soviets managed to industrialize, whats stopping from the Germans from making them into urbanizing them to match the rest of Germany.
12. I don't get why it takes 1 year for the Americans to transfer troops to Europe. Just because one ship is sunk doesn't mean the other hundreds of ships can't be launched. The U.S.A has enough factories to produce the same amount of weapons that were lost to the sea in a week at it's slowest rate. When Corporal Hitler was wounded at age 27, the year was 1916, and by the time the Americans would arrive it would either be 1917 or 1918. Also remember the blockade? The Germans are probably suffering from malnutrition weakening them further.
13. How can Germany outperform both France and Britain. Both have huge empires which means more men can be mustered. They also have more resources. In fact, the British empire alone in 1914 had over 5 times the amount of people living in its borders than Germany did in 1914. France and her colonies go toe-to-toe with Germany in terms of population size. With more people working at factories and fighting in the army, the Germans should be running out of resources save for Coal and Steel. I suppose Ottoman and Romanian Oil and Ukrainian wheat keeps the German war machine running, but as we saw earlier the British have taken the Mesopotamian oil fields controlled by the Ottomans, and Ukraine is ravaged by war as Zvallid.
14. When the French attacked in sheer desperation against the German lines but to no avail, where is the Commonwealth? British morale would be higher than French morale, and they could probably slightly push the Germans back.
15. In theory, the British and Americans could wage a brutal war against the Central Powers. Fighting in the Middle Eastern desert, landing in Sicily, and taking back French Colonies, but signing the armistice was a smart move.
I might have over-analyzed your work a bit to much, and I hope I have done nothing more than use constructive criticism to help you improve your work. To summarize: a bit unrealistic. Still, great video. I appreciate the hard work you have put into this video
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The US had not really a great military at the time they entered the war.
Actually they had to start to build up the army in the real timeline at the moment they entered it. The war against the US started in 1917 and it took them until fall of 1918 to be the force who stopped the germans.
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Colonies are usually not ones because they chose to. They are ones because they are suppressed by a stronger force. If the french or brits would have used the possible manpower of their colonies to fight for them, they would have lost their colonies in no time.
15
In reality the US joined the war because the germans promised Mexico to support them against the US if they would start a war against them. In this timeline, that would not be possible, so it is rather unrealistic for them to join the war against Germany. They werent really keen on fighting abroad that time.
@@asgdfjkglh5414
1. I agree with you on my twelfth point. However, building an army of a million is feasible for a nation as populated and industrialised as the US. In our timeline yes, the Americans came through only at the very end. Any number of men helps, and in our timeline American men were sent to British and French battalions, as their numbers were small and couldn't make up their own unit.
In our timeline many Africans fought against each other in the Great War. They didn't successfully revolt; in fact the British were at their greatest colonial extent after war, as they added some German colonies and added them to her collection. Many people from British Raj headed out to the Western front. 1 million in fact. And even then, if no colonial men were to be sent to the front, they could still be working in the factories and growing food for the army.
The Zimmerman telegram was the frosting on the cake for American intervention. Jerry's cable to America was severed by the Tommys, and all information that reached America was controlled by Tommy. This means the Brits could over exaggerate everything the Germans did, and the Public and the media would believe it, which further ignited America's passion for war. The unrestricted submarine warfare the Jerry's used hit American ships or sunk ships with a large number of Americans on board, adding more coal for the fire of war to eat.
1.Britain was in alliance with france and was threatened by germany . So if the French loose , they join to protect them.
A-H knew it was falling apart and would give up Italian speaking territories if given enough push
4. The ottoman entry into the war was a trick. They got some german ships to fire shells on russia under the Turkish flag,so russia declared war
This was honestly amazing, I was totally taken aback by the quality of this alternate timeline's creation. Great alternate timeline.
Also, I feel like the USA's casus belli for entering the war was kinda shady...If the Lusitania ITTL was shipping munitions to the British, that makes it a legitimate military target of the Kriegsmarine.
in ww1 it was Reichsmarine or smth
I see a few minor mistakes but overall this was a great video. I love battle strategy and history. You should make a video on how this timeline's WW2 would have gone down.
It will be the next video
@@zvallid no it wasn't
@Kenen -_-
@@ryangarcia985 lol
@@zvallid Italy would be neutral if granted some land by A-H.
As Austria Hungary took its winnings I was thinking:
Don't blow up don't blow up dont blow up don't blow up
DAMMIT AUSTRIA YA INHALED TO MANY ETHNIC GROUPS AND YA FECKIN BLEW UP
Unless they resolved prior cracks there wouldn't have been a shot at staying as one... they had good plans pre war but the hungarians did not give enough breathing space for the ethnicites pre war... a direct relation ship with the kaiser would be more plausible post war, as the new kaiser would like a more stable "union" as it was headed by Franz Joseph
This is one of the best alternate history vids I've seen! Respect from Bulgaria!
At 15:26 can we just give a second to admire germanys borders like it just looks amazing.
Beautiful.
I like kaiserreich borders more
it looks ugly af, should've invaded bohemia
@@Chalk_I that's a wierd spit. But overall nicer
But I'd like Ukrainie, Belarus to be bigger - reaching the caucuses. Then a puppet government to be installed in Russia And France completely cutting off Britain from Europe
Of course, I like the outcome, but find it hard to believe that Austria Hungary would have given Italy her territory.
Brian Cleary true especially when 1860 wasnt that far away...
This is supposed to be a best case scenario for Germany though
Well it was kind of "Lose a tiny bit of land to Italy, or lose everything"
if i remember correctly, AH was ready to give to italy the lands tgey asked but didnt want to give trieste that was a key port for the empire and one of the key territories in italys demands
they could have simply lied and never give those territories... like the allies did
Excellent! Very interesting and thanks for all the study you put into it. The maps were great. I am 66 and started reading history books by the armful when I was 9 or 10 and thank you for this ! I would love to see part 2 as well. from veteran-US Navy
Excellent!!!
One of the best alternate history's iv watched!!
Please,PLEASE, do part 2
+touchyfeely100 Thank you! I'll do it
5:21 R.I.P for that peoples which thought Germany had a small and weak navy in WW1.
One of the most incredible videos that I have ever seen, I am very impressed!
+Philip Nilsson ..... Be sure to listen to Benjamin Freedman's 1961 speech. He was there, and had documents to prove what he said.
+Juan Martinez everyone already knows that hence why A.H declared on Serbia that part dose not matter
+Juan Martinez Britain declared war on prussia(Germany) because they would invade belgium to attack the french. britain and belgium signed that if belgium was ever invaded britain would support belgium,germany didnt think britain would take any bother if they invaded belgium but britain did and then britain now with the triple antante declared war on the triple alliance
What? This video is shit.
I have seen better.
+MIREANU STEFAN you re right my brother. this guy didnt mentioned the romanian entrance in the war in 1916, that in 1918 received Transilvania and other detailes. Dislike ...
6:55 It looks as if Serbia got kicked in the Balkans.
It took some 100 years for that to happen in reality, but eventually it did. They very much deserved it.
Georgi Georgiev why?
They got kicked badly in WW1. Read a book.
Scenario of war is good but next events after the war kinda stupid.
@БОСНА ЈЕ СРПСКА 〈3〈3〈3 your first comment is the thing. "Outnumbered"
I'm pretty sure that he is a Bulgarian.
I could continue giving you hints, but I think you would figure it out
This is an incredibly well thought out scenario. I applaud your breadth of historical, political and military knowledge.
The not invading Belgium strategy was called the Moltke Plan, which involved holding the Rhine between Belgium and Switzerland with 5 armies and turning against the Russians with 6. This war plan is available in AGEOD’s “End All Wars” grand strategy PC game about WW1. It does not stop GB from entering the war however, it just delays their entry. There is no guarantee Britain would not have joined the Allies because of a non violation of Belgian neutrality. The Anglo-French alliance via the 1904 Entente Cordiale was still in effect. They would have joined at some point earlier rather than later.
This was not the Moltke Plan.
This was the Kaiser Plan.
The Schlieffen Plan or Schlieffen-Moltke Plan was the invasion through Belgium that was formulated by Alfred Von Schlieffen and Helmuth Von Moltke the Younger.
This was Kaiser Wilhelm II's Plan which definitely had a higher chance of success rather than the Schlieffen Plan.
Yes but how to justify and find support for the war among the parliament and British public?
@@terrymeng6321
Well considering the Russians are getting absolutely destroyed and France is also slowly losing territory.
This might be the time to join in.
@@jaredjosephsongheng372 I thought France was the one taking the offence so they aren't losing territory. But all I am saying is there is no way for Britain to join the war right away, a year later sounds plausible.
It happens in the video
Best weapon in WW1.....Lenin.
This really is a very well done and thought out video. I find myself coming back and re-watching it over and over. Really hope you do another one for WWII in this timeline!
Ireland would have been a republic with all its land in such a scenario
Then de velerah wouldn't have fucked us
Nah. Britain isn't completely lost. The BEF remains intact according to the scenario, so we don't see armies destroyed. Further more, the Brits have maintained a blockade. A Britain who lost will ironically spell the doom to the Irish. As they clamp down the Irish revolt in fear of a German ally literally next to Britain.
Mr Trugglez fuck u Ireland win on its own we would win with German help
Ben Lally we wouldn't have joined germany because of our slogan of "we shall not serve king nor kaiser"
Thomaslawlet how did eamon fuck us
When the alternate version of the 2nd world war happens
Germany: Not again.
Poor germany, They collapsed the roman empire and now everybody hates them
all could have been avoided if the Italians posessed a shred of honor
in 1914 Germany and Austria declared war on literally half of the world without even asking Italy what did they think or give them 2 little border cities. Why Italy should have joined their war?
zvallid because Italy was bound by treaty to assist Germany/Austria in case any of the Great Powers declared war on them. The Central Powers didn't declare war on the whole world, they declared war on Serbia, which Made Russia DoW Austria, which made Germany DoW Russia, which made France DoW Germany, which made Germany attack France through Belgium, which made Britain DoW Germany. So really, the Central Powers only declared war on teo or three countries, not the whole world.
Besides, the point is that had Italy honored its original part of the Triple Alliance, France would have had to fight a two front war, and Austria would have only fought on one front. The whole stalemate on the Western Front may have never happened, and the war may have ended much sooner. The Central Powers came close to winning the war, Italy may have been just enough to prevent it from becoming 4 years of insanity.
Declaring war on France Belgium Serbia Russia is not declaring war on 4 countries. It's half of the world. And if Germany did not declare war on Russia, WW1 never started
zvallid nobody declared war on france, france declared war on the central powers, honoring their part of the Triple Entente.
That's beside the point, though. France honored its treaties. Britain honored it's treaties. Everyone honored their treaties, except for Italy, who balked and then betrayed their former allies. The Central Powers held out against "the rest of the world" and almost won, but at great cost to everyone involved. Had the Italians added to the strength of the Central Powers instead of draining it, the war could have been over much quicker and with less draconian peace settlements, removing the prerequisites for the second war.
Probably you have some problems with Italy. Read wikipedia, Germany declared war on France. Germans love treaties except when they have to respect them, look at Barbarossa operation for example and the 2 invasons of the neutral Belgium is not something to be proud of.
This is truly the best timeline my friends.
If you love empire and want the Ottomans to get away with a genocide.
@@bidenator9760 didn’t they get away with genocide anyways unfortunately
*worst
@@britishspy2640 how is it the worst
@@bidenator9760 wait weren’t the British empire and French empire still around I would know that as an Indian lol
I like how you added Beethoven's 9th Symphony at the end of the war
I'm just happy Nicky and his kids get to live in this timeline.
You are playing too much Europa Universalis 4 (or a similar game). Really.
What happened in WWI is simple : Germany had the upper hand, but the Trench warfare stopped the front. Reality is so simple. Most of your "offensives" are a copy of the first part of the war, when Germany could advance easily, but unless Germany started to use their few tanks with almost perfect efficience (which took almost 3 years to the Triple-Entente), the western front would have remained unchanged.
Also, you consider that Belgium will stay neutral (ok, let's accept it), but you delay the Schlieffen Plan for TWO YEARS and expect the same outcome ? With TWO YEARS to prepare and with the trenchs used for one year, Belgium would have delayed the german offensive.
And at 11:03, could you tell us how the front line moves so much with the trenches ? And how the french side waits when they can outflank Germany easily ? Basically, your video tells us :
1) If Germany wins all the battles
2) If France, Great-Britain and Belgium are stupid.
3) If the russian revolution happen 2 years earlier than what really happened.
4) If the Lusitania was sinked 1 year later.
Germany wins the war. Too much if's to me.
David Sbabo Stop learning from Marvel books you dumbass.
Michał Hunicz check the video again.
Another example : when Germany invaded Belgium, Belgium was building defenses and unprepared. Give them 2 years and trenches, they won't pass in a few days.
David Sbabo Belgium didn't suspect German invasion.
Michał Hunicz what don't you understand in watch the video ?
David Sbabo Nothing is strange in this scenario.
Wow, I did not expect this to be so well thought out. Great job. However, I think that after AH descends into chaos, Galicia should probably join Poland. Then again, there's still a possibility that Germans would object - it seems that in this scenario they'd have enough problems with Polish nationalism even without making Poland stronger.
“Nazism develops in france” sorry to tell you but that’s impossible, maybe a ultranationalist country or a communist one but sorry not a nazi one.
Probably a French brand of Nationalism with similar ideologies to Nazism (with French people being the "pure" race)
Ahon! We are le superiors!
National Socialism isn't only a German thing and there had been nationalistic and socialist revolutions in France so why not both?
@Bilimin Sırları last time i checked most of the people in france are french, not german. So it wouldn’t work.
@@Wm7forthewin the idea of being Socialist but only for your nation is not German,also Nazis wanted Aryan race to be dominant and French were Aryan in their eyes too.
This is my comfort video 🥰
WOW ive not seen this for like 2 years .......im sad that i could not of seen it , it was such a great video and very, Very well maid good job
Many haven't seen it for almost 100.
lol
Ok guys I finally found. The song is Warrior Strife by Jingle Punks.
Thanks a lot, I was looking for this song for years
I give you my sincere gratitude for this information. I hope you live a good and happy life and fullfill all your dreams because you deserve it.
And I curse de focking author who focking NEVER put this song in the description. I hope zvalid gets his anus probed with all sticks in this universe.
Bless you, Jonny Garcia.
THANKS A LOT
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Who will win the second round? I'm going out on a limb here, and I'm going to say Haiti. Through the medium of dance. And zombies. Voodoo zombies.
EarthIs NotFlat lol ww2 is still ww2
Yeah but, dancing zombies.
EarthIs NotFlat France and friends win. Much like are war with fast Herman offenses into Russia being pushed back in winter. China un industrialized is easy prey. Vast majority of central pacific allied or nuetral and with a Pearl Harbor style attack Germany would be weak on the region. And with France being on the attack and Germany caught off guard early on in the west is stalemate but France retaking old lands used to mine iron.
Fuck Soviet red aisels.../zombies of Halifat/Viva Bulgarian kantri infanta...
How I can desert from the pointless war? Anyone?
Am I the only one who always imagines that this Germany looks like its eating the Czech republic? @15:24
The Czech Republic ist eating Germany from inside. It did this since 1100.
@@kulturbanause9228 "Insert political rage speak"
Lol so true
That's because it's trying to
IRL Germany went from owning all of Central Europe to looking like Pac-Man really quick
That's awesome!! Really enjoyable. A theory, but a good one!!
Very well thought. Loved it.
You could argue that in this timeline, Britain and USA never join the war, since Germany never invades Belgium until 1916, and they also are never desperate enough to issue unrestricted submarine warfare.
I mean, another reason why GB declared war was because they didn't want Germany to become the dominant power, but there's there's chance they won't care and ignore. If that were to happen then U.S would probably remain neutral or join the Ceentral powers because German Americans were eager to help Germany.
Jeremy M It was also the pearl Harbor bombing that really pushed America into the war. If Japan never bombed the harbor the chance of it would be smaller and I think another reason was that Hitler had sent a telegram to Mexico to help him take America and win the war and if they won they would get something. Great Britain got the message and told America about it which was another reason. So if pearl Harbor, the message and the ship sinking America might not of went to war.
TheDark Shadow101 Peal Harbor? Hitler? I think you got your two world wars mixed up there
Jeremy M lol I might of I was tired when writing it
ChillCentral they would not want to fight a war simply becuse of that. The british and germany were also quite good friends with each other before the war and were the people who wanted it the lest. France wanted revenge on germany for their humiliting loss 1871.
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Nice video!
But in my opinion Bulgaria will gain not only Macedonia but parts of Serbia, Romania and Greece.
romania and greece were neutral
Imperialist Mapper no they declared war on the central powers
Arceus Legend Greece was not neutral.
Greece was fighting the Ottoman Empire since the revolution of 1821 and then 1st and 2nd Balkan War, against Ottoman Empire and Bulgaria. Is not pictured on this video, but by 1920 Greek territory has expanded to Thrace and (ex)Ottoman coasts till Bursa-Eskisehir-Afyonkarahisar-Antalya line, but after the Sevres Treaty (August 10th, 1920) limited just to Smyrna territory administration. The Allies (British Empire, France and Italy) were the Signatories and Depositaries of the Treaty of Serves, "Partitioning" the Ottoman Empire. Romania was also benefited by the treaty.
yea
Constantinos Vassilakis Yeah. And in 1923 they got their asses handed to them by fucking Turkey. Good job Greece, sucking at war again. 20 years after capitulating to Germany in 2 months.
I love the detail and respect the work put into this video
This man just made the world so much better if this scenario was real
Uhm. No
@@MrDead00 how
Background music is solid man. Great 👍!!!
Do you know what song it is?
This is a very interesting scenario, keep the good work up!
Hey man just wanted to say, amazing job! Ignore all the hate it's normal in a video like this. I'm not pro anything but this was amazing! Super well made
why USA become a siuperpower? also if they had lost few soldiers they had lost the war. USA became a superpower only for its support to the victorius UK. anyway this is a very well made alternate history but i think it's stupid for kaiser to make clients states in ucraine and poland instead of annex them and also i think that russia wouldn't declare war against germany and that USA wouldn't annex canada and australia and that WW2 wouldn't happened. (if there are grammatical errors it's because i'm italian and i don't know english very well)
+Francesco Azzoni I never say USA annex Canada and Australia. They only fall under their influence. USa become a superpower when UK lost its empire
zvallid
why USA became a superpower, they did nothing in yhe war.
+Francesco Azzoni If you have the best economy of the world, for sure you have the best army of the world
zvallid
but with his empire germany is the biggest economy in the world
+Francesco Azzoni It's because the USA would not have had any major spendings in the war.Only a few troops.The economy would still be going great.
France would not be alone, as I’ve said in multiple of these comments, the UK parliament had already voted to go to war way earlier, Belgium only sped it up slightly.
Or "how the world could've been better"
Doubt
@@bigjohn6534 it would be, cuz the middle east issue is Britain and France's fault,
And Germany would have stopped the spread of communism
@@aimbot2441 If they won WW1, they would not be Nazi
@Wilhelm II. Not sure about that, they would either flip to communism or go democratic because we're in the modern world. Fascism has no chance of growing since they didn't lose.
@ people won't love the monarchy long enough. Monarchist government depends on luck if you either an actual competent leader or someone who has no brain. It happens and has happened in every monarchy. It will eventually die.
It’s funny how, even with a few different details, history is still similar
I like how you had the well explained or at least aptly explained outcomes of each country of significance
This guy has better military strategies than generals who spend years in an academy
Well, maybe because unlike the generals, he has the benefit of retroactive historical hindsight.
14:55 song is The great avenger-silent partner
Featherfire thank you so much!!!!
If you ever feel useless just remember that this video has english subtitles.
17:24 Turkey might join too, after seeing that the centrals actually won in this scenario.
The reason they didn't join until so late was because of fear that neither side could actually protect them. I tested the "road to war" mod in civ 4, was turkey, went against the Nazis
Istanbul fell, and then i rage quitted
However, in this scenerio, they could possibly beleive that the germans could protect them, so they go on the second central
where are you from
Damn I haven’t realised it’s been 6 years since you have posted this how are you bro
Kaiser Willem 2 :who Are you
Im zvalid.
Kaiser willem:what could you give me?
Zvallid: victory for your nation in ww1.
Kaiser willem: hehe boy.
One thing- the Nivelle Offensive was a direct product of his tactics at Verdun (which also got him appointed to army chief of staff). Without the battle of Verdun, the Nivelle offensive probably wouldn't have happened.
But if germany won WWI it would have developed into a superpower and well basically the best way to explain it is the world being like today with america's influence being spread all over the world but instead of america it would be german influence being spread over the world and instead of american also germany would take so much advantage from winning the great war that it would probably not have any rivals.
+Confederate Blayre Unlikely, the USA would still have developed into an economic superpower, they didn't really need the wars for that, it just made things happen a bit faster.
So if anything it would have been a conflict over control between Germany and the USA, instead of USA against USSR.
+Confederate Blayre i would always take a world were germany is the leading power instead of the usa
I am with you but as long as the usa was replaced with the confederate states of america but germany and the csa dominated together with some kind of ultimate alliance.
Oops, accidentally sent a spam report to TH-cam for your comment ha-ha. My bad!
What kind of bad effects can I expect from that?
0:45 yes, france alone could probably hold off an invasion if Germany had decided to invade through the border, it would take a long time as it would be a two front war, germany had 4.5M troops I believe. Russia had nearly that much.
"it would take a long time as it would be a two front war"
" france alone "
Why would there be two fronts if France fights alone?
@@leonpaelinck Germany dude
I loved the video!!
German time traveler: this information is worth millions
“Brett-Litovsk not very serious” 💀
So Portugal didnt join the war
Lusitani Mendes they were too busy in Africa
Lusitani Mendes And Romania
At least portugal has a pretty safe position... how the hell greece didn't join the war? bulgaria italy and ottomans next to her.
They all casually ignored her, and UK casually didn't join the war... and french casually lost every battle without killing a single man xD
Just nope
Yes we were but even so Portugal joined the allies side and sent few but strong men.
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Greece didn't either.
you are crazy man this video is great !!
I like the ending ;)
Yes, it's one of the biggest pro in zvallid's videos.
But then he told us (Fuck u cause u aren't gonna see it)
8:42 it looks as if Hitler could sing dame da nae any second now
dont attack me lol
Ok
Soviet Union This is in WW2.İn WW1 Russian Empire is doomed.
you are not exist
Without the allies support i will attack you
Long live the USSR! The red army is the strongest
This guy probably did tons of research and estimations to do this, I respect this guy.
Gosh, that music at the end scared me😮
can you make the second part plz? who would win the second round, your videos i do have to say are the best quality
the second part will be the next video
Thanks GOD !!!
war is bullshit !!!
I vote for German vitory in 1953. Huh, that would be a long conflict.
Yeah... at 4:48 ... you know things are bad when your troops are suffering in snow in middle of June.
i quite like this ending peace deal, your best one yet
Certainly up until the end of WW1, this is by far the most realistic alternative outcomes to WW1 I have seen on TH-cam, good work! It takes into account many salient points, notably in the West, where whoever was on the defensive was going to be able with the new weapons of war to withstand an invasion. The East plays out pretty much as expected. The war would hinge on the Western Front, and the question is, would Belgium just sit by for a further year doing nothing. Probably not. The Schlieffen Plan just wouldn't be as effective (it was already out of date when it was implemented, the Germans basically got lucky until the Marne). Nevertheless, failing any disastrous tactical defeats, the war could probably have been brought to an armistice in Germany's favour. The British would have been far from down and out... maybe a tacit arrangement would have been reached whereby Germany has the upper hand in Europe as long as it doesn't get greedy out in the colonies? My only other niggle is that the Bolsheviks would have got the upper hand even in this scenario - with no allied help for the Whites (who still lost) and no newly independent Poland to fight, Lenin would have got the USSR established. Turkey is a bit of a head scratcher too - if Ataturk still rose up, wouldn't Germany and A-H support their fellow monarchists? Either way, without France, Syria and perhaps Iraq would remain in Turkish hands for a while yet. Anyhow... good work!
yeah the schlieffenplan simply did not work with the modern warfare. The only reason it *kinda* worked in 1914 is because then everybody was still fighting old-school
Actually if Germany had won Finland would become a monarchy with Friedrich Karl ( Wilhelms cousin) as the king. In real timeline after finland got its independence and Germany helped them with their civil war, Finland invited him to be their monarch, but he never made it because after Germany lost he went to exile
if ireland gets independence from uk why just southern ireland? the north/south divide was a comprimise but in this senario it shouldnt be.
JJ P North is Protestant and British, while south was Catholic and Irish
Because the North didn't want to split from Britain. What do you think the troubles were all about?
@@slightlyconfused876 but the Germans would had the last word here
I think they still lost it like in our timeline with the Irish getting it themself.
One big mistake, Italy fought with the Allies and not Germany.
At the outset of World War One, it wasn't at all clear that the Netherlands would remain neutral. Still furious with Britain for taking over their South African colonies, many Dutch people - including some government figures - wanted to side with Germany. If the Dutch had supported or even joined in the German invasion of Belgium and France, then it might have gone easier for the Central Powers. Further, if the US had remained isolationist, which could well have happened had the Germans not antagonised America on several occasions, then the defeat of Russia would have freed up millions of German soldiers to join the fight on the Western Front against Britain and France, already suffering badly against the Germans and their Dutch allies. Just one of the ways in which I think the Central Powers - or at least Germany - could have won WW1, although really it was anyone's game until the battle of Amiens in August 1918. After that, though, the Germans just couldn't recover and the renewed Allied offensive was able to defeat them
The Netherlands never wanted to join any side if they joined the Allies for example Germany would have smashed them and if they would have joind the centrals The netherlands would probably be blockaded by the british navy and the Dutch could even lose there colonies to the Allies
+Fake Name The Netherlands were much more useful to the Germans as neutrals then as an ally. It allowed supplies to be shipped from warring nations and other neutrals into her ports, and more often then not some of those supplies would end up in German hands. The ports could easily be blockaded, the dutch army was rather small and ill-equipped, and the population as a whole didn't want to go to war.
To keep the United States out then Germany would need to not go with un-restricted submarine warfare and of course not send the Zimmerman telegram. Even still, it wouldn't be enough for them to win the war. Sooner or later riots and mutinies or famine would erupt in Germany as they did OTL. The credit and loans given to the Entente by the United States was much more decisive then the actual troop count. It only sped up the process.
+Juan Martinez You're basically replying to all the comments with this stupid explanation. How the war started has nothing to do with the upsides and downfalls of The Netherlands being on the Alliance, Entente, or neutral side.
Germans watching this mad asf rn, like y’all had a few chances 😂
For everyone searching: The song is Warrior Strife by Jingle Punks
thx so much.
And the other music in the end, explaining the posterior events??? PLEASE
@@RigbyWilde jup I've been looking for that desperately myself. Anyone?
Rigby Wilde found it :) I’ve been searching for years haha:
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10:18 Germans: This is beyond science
Wunderwaffe: Hold my beer
Which wunderwaffe do you mean?
@@cykachu2661 The German time machine of course
Im Bulgarian and I find this satisfying
Germany stands no chance in this ww2, if their fleet only “seriously rivals Britain” than it stands absolutely no chance against the US and Japanese fleets and China and Italy are both terrible allies, even if Italy is a little more powerful it would still likely be the subject of terrible military leadership and internal issues, the Russians probably wouldn’t be as powerful as our timeline but would still field quite a large army and would also probably have Japanese reinforcements later in the war, the Americans and British would wipe the floor with Germany since they already have a foothold in Europe and the Americans easily outclass the Germans in industry and population even if the Germans had Austria and southern Belgium.
@Rick Vis Still with Japan and the US not having to worry about each other, massive naval production would have occurred. Could you imagine an armada of the British Empire, the Japanese Empire and the American navies all up against a country who could only rival one of them?