I watch your channel every Wednesday and I’m finally reconciling that the “Krakoa era” is over. However, all of it was a foundation for character development and it’s interesting seeing how these charters are changing. Charles is a shadow of his Dream. Like he’s stuck in a living nightmare.
Thank you for this! I was under the impression that when the Sinister Doug says “but that would reveal what else I have loaded onto this clone” he simply meant he added telepathy onto the Doug clone.
@@comicbreakdown The panel deal shows Jean Grey is alive but dying. I think Hope will save the Phoenix and Jean by giving up her life to save them both. I think it's more they can't heal a injuries than trying to bring her back to life. As we seen on the RPOX Issue 5 cover. Jean Grey is alive with the Phoenix which means the phoenix is going to come back to life and stop Enigma.
I will keep repeating this "plan" is stupid because IT IS. Moira was not originally a mutant. She was born human and sick and a "mysterious doctor" saved her life. The second issue of Powers of X tells it all. The story starts with her being gifted the power to reset the universe in the first place. The story can only end correctly with this loop being closed. Mr. Sinister needs to go back in time to Moira's first life. Killing Moira 10 "before her powers manifest" wouldn't change anything, even if it WAS possible (which is not the case) Moira remembers her past lives FROM THE WOMB, way before actually being born. The power manifestation that happens when she becomes 13 is a secondary power, probably her "black brain"/stealth telepathy. The truth is, Moira is a back-up of the 616 universe. Her mind is automatically uploaded into a "new body" whenever she dies. I always believed SHE was the actual reason "duplicates" were forbidden in Krakoa. Her Resurrection Protocols were the coma after the Sentinel attack during her 5th life; and Apocalypse's Stasis Sarcophagus during her 9th. A way for Moira to secretly travel between other realities in which she has a living body. What else could allow that if not a secret clone of Moira? The actual truth was that the Moira we've seen up until now was a clone sent by the Man-Machine Supremacy to the past to sabotage the Krakoan dream. That's why she was hiding in the No Place, so that the real Moira couldn't find her nor reveal herself... But all this would be if Marvel had stuck to Hickman's original plan
I’ve seen this or a similar theory before that Mr. Sinister was the one who made her a mutant. I love your version and I’d love for this to be the twist we end up seeing
Exavier willing to secrevise krakoa and the future of all mutants just like magneto predicted. Krakoa could work. And Charles is tge one who doesn't see how. That's his blind spot. Always has been. Trying to solve a problem and decide the future for others. Thinking ge knows best. Always.
Krakoa can't work because the mutants will always tear each other apart no different than humans. Not with people like Beast, Selene, Sebastian Shaw etc.@@rodniegsm1575
Hate the fact that they r ending the Krakoa era. I thought that was what the mutants r meant to be, united, have a home etc. The mansion stories never made sense to me. Marvel is ruining the best thing thats going on for them
Krakoa brought back everything I loved about the x men… the past year has mostly made me me sad. Such a good story arc but so … like wtf is even happening
That panel with Jean in the beginning of the book piloting the space shuttle and enigma’s commentary (she destroys dominions) yeah it’s going to be Phoenix vs Enigma in X-MEN Forever! I think it’s pretty clear the 5 resurrected the Dead X-MEN team it didn’t really need to be showed, its self explanatory.
I am an Unlimited subscriber, and have really been looking fwd to Mondays for all the X books. Then today Rise 1&2 dropped, and I have no idea what happened to all the stuff that was happening. I didn't love all the Dominion stuff when kirkman started this storyline, and I really don't like it now. I needed your videos to make sure I understood what was happening. I do have one different take. I read Sinister/Doug not wanting to give anything away, having to do with him having Psi abilities to "drop eaves" bc that would give away that he's not merely Cipher.
I'm gonna miss the Krakoa era. It was good to see mutantkind come together to fight a common enemy (bigots), but some people like Professor X to be ™MLK and not be an angry feed up minority
I would LOVE this. It makes perfect sense and the setup is right there. And if the writers don’t pick up this thread now, it probably won’t happen after this era is over. :(
The panel deal shows Jean Grey is alive but dying. I think Hope will save the Phoenix and Jean by giving up her life to save them both. I think it's more they can't heal a injuries than trying to bring her back to life. As we seen on the RPOX Issue 5 cover. Jean Grey is alive with the Phoenix which means the phoenix is going to come back to life and stop Enigma.
Engine is planning a trap he knows Xavier is trying to use time travel to change things I am not sure time travel can t change anything especially how powerful dominion is
I wonder if these changes will affect Xavier & Cassandra Nova, since it did seem to affect Cable. would love to see the revised Tri-Sentinel if this does occur.
It seems as though they are setting Rasputin up to be a type of sleeper bomb, having a confluence of the major players in one place with the AI dominion, and doing a big hard reset. If only for the X-Men titles, if not universe wide. This way they can be more in line with the direction that marvel studios will be going with the X-Men so that it's more familiar, not the first time they've done this
I’m glad the Krakoa era is coming to an end. This just doesn’t feel like the X-Men anymore. I understand they wanted to try something new, nothing wrong with that. But it’s such a departure from what the X-Men were, it’s just a totally different thing. Like they were turned into the Inhumans in a way. Can’t wait to get back to the mansion
I don't feel like they are rushing or anything. They are solving things that were meant to be solved. They are in a war, so a lot of things happen at the same time. I'm sincerely not missing any explanation until now. All of them are being delivered. Some not at a chronological order, but delivered nonetheless. And about the resurrection, they explained it at Immortal X-men. The five are back in action, with Mother Righteous herself acting as the cerebro backup part.
I hope MARVEL keeps Rasputin IV around. She's a cool with really good powers. Going back to kill a baby/child. Guess they forgot Mystique caused this to bring her girl back...or maybe they still don't know
I got to read this issue this past Tuesday at my LCS. I like that Rasputin is powerful, but she isn't OP. If not for Cypher's intervention, she would have ultimately been killed by all those Sentinels on steroids. I am curious how Xavier was able to find and utilize this "hidden room" that even the Dominion can't perceive. I am a little annoyed that Cypher's wife is not there standing alongside him as his bodyguard. We haven't seen her in awhile and makes me wonder what happened to her ever since Krakoa placed Cypher in stasis.
In unlimited comics after the civil war on arrako they showed her that she was clearing the remains of the amenthy demons .Apparently she was on Mars after the gala . They showed a glimpse of the daily life of Cypher and Bei and that she was missing him . She even talked with Kobak and Sunspot which shouldn't be possible since even Cypher couldn't understand her but i guess we have to roll with it .They did the same with Firestar and put her in unlimited comics and she had few issues there although i think they should have included them in a proper issue i think .🤷♂
@@danielivanov930 yes you are correct, Bei is on Arrako and recently in the Unlimited comics (the ones that run on the app). just as a side note, if I recall correctly from when it was explained in X of Swords, everyone can understand what she says except for Cypher. I forgot why!
I’ve been… kind of wondering… if this is an elephant in the room? I’m not in the loop when it comes to industry knowledge. But I know Hickman left the X-office/Marvel to work on his individual projects. Now he’s back on Marvel… started GODs, which unfortunately is now ending after issue 8 (too bad, I like it). And he’s got Ultimates and a Doom book. Surely someone is asking about X-Men again, no? He sold a lot of books for them.
The only reason i can see for them stopping all the current stories is some kind of attempt to connect comic xmen to an mcu type xmen. And even then there are better ways to go about it than rushing through stories that have been building for awhile now
Yeah you’re right this ending does seem pretty rushed and kinda glossed over. Sure, the krakoan era got super weird but its been going on long enough for it to stay cannon in my opinion. If they just go right back to the mansion or delete all this from the timeline that would be stupid. I really think they need to keep mutants kind of on a revenge war path against humans to some degree until they figure out how make the whole mutant nation story work. It would be a shame if all this was for nothing.
Professor X needs to talk to Doctor Doom or Kang the conqueror or whoever and get rid of Moira before she’s born unless her parents are tied to the fabric of the multiverse .My guess is Mr.Essex created Moira . So that would be another loophole.
Honestly I’m glad it’s ending because they fumbled the bag on this one with the firing of Hickman and now I will not be buying any comics because there is no point….i rather watch you sum it up than give them more of my money
Hickman wasn't fired. He had a 3 year contract. His time ran out due to the bloat the writers room added because they loved what Hickman came up with. Hickman left them with everything they need to finish the story.
So are these 2 the only ones going after the big bad? If so and they're successful, then all of krakoa, powers of x, x of swords and everything never happened. No need to resurrect Magneto. Orchis doesn't matter. Like you said all the other titles will need to reset too. Iron man and his new suit will never come to be. Mystirium is a metal that shouldn't exist IMO anyways.
I couldn't follow this issue at all. So Mother Righteous made a clone of herself in Heaven? Why did Rasputin IV have so much trouble against a single sentinel when she's so powerful? Where'd the heck did the time spiders come from?
I'm dissaponted...... The everybody is Sinister ruoned this era. It's so bad. No villain has agency because of their sinisterly! But your hero's don't have have agency...... Because they're Sinister! 😑 It's lazy and stupid.
I agree. I overall liked this issue except I really disliked this part. I thought we were past that “everyone is a Sinister” thing… it gives me Battlestar Galactica memories 😂 It mostly bothers me because Cypher was such an integral part of the Krakoan era. The set up, the maintenance, even his quiet machinations in the background. He deserved the agency and to close out the Krakoan era at the end.
X-Men has been a mess and a bunch of convolution I'd say for the last 10 or 15 years. As far as I'm concerned the comics are unreadable. I still don't understand what's happening to Jean Gray and they canceled the comics she was last in everything is so rushed and I'm over it.
This thing needs to end. It's not very good.The way the mutants plow through Orchis and the Sentinels like butter reduces any threat they represent. HOX/POX should have been a "What If". "What If the Anti Mutant groups were Right". This IP needs a reboot/refresh after the damage this era has done.
I completely agree w/ you. Lets just wrap it up and go to the mansion already since that’s clearly what marvel wants to do
I always think "im in for a decent long video ' then it ends with 4 minutes left
Yup that’s how this channel has always worked
I watch your channel every Wednesday and I’m finally reconciling that the “Krakoa era” is over.
However, all of it was a foundation for character development and it’s interesting seeing how these charters are changing.
Charles is a shadow of his Dream. Like he’s stuck in a living nightmare.
This is my first time here and I loved the vid❤.
Welcome
Grateful for your helpful breakdowns and the community you’re fostering here!
Comic Breakdown really knows how to preach it! His comment in the beginning of this video were all spot on. Thank you for being our voice.
I really dont want to go back to The Academy. 😞 And I want Storm continuing to run Mars
Welcome back!
What a disappointment with Jean, they always treat her like trash
fact
Because she's trash made for street 😂
Rasputin IV is the best new character in Marvel.
Yeah hope she sticks around
Her and x23 be great teamup
@@tonyslicer7399 too tough
Thank you for this! I was under the impression that when the Sinister Doug says “but that would reveal what else I have loaded onto this clone” he simply meant he added telepathy onto the Doug clone.
Possibly thatb
@@comicbreakdown The panel deal shows Jean Grey is alive but dying. I think Hope will save the Phoenix and Jean by giving up her life to save them both.
I think it's more they can't heal a injuries than trying to bring her back to life. As we seen on the RPOX Issue 5 cover. Jean Grey is alive with the Phoenix which means the phoenix is going to come back to life and stop Enigma.
@Nejourney78that would definitely be a twist I wouldn’t see coming at all
Man I totally forgot today is Thursday! It has mutant Wednesday vibes
I agree so much about the rushing this!! I love the past few years of krakoa!!!!
I’m sad that all of these timelines are coming to an abrupt end
I will keep repeating this "plan" is stupid because IT IS. Moira was not originally a mutant. She was born human and sick and a "mysterious doctor" saved her life. The second issue of Powers of X tells it all. The story starts with her being gifted the power to reset the universe in the first place.
The story can only end correctly with this loop being closed. Mr. Sinister needs to go back in time to Moira's first life. Killing Moira 10 "before her powers manifest" wouldn't change anything, even if it WAS possible (which is not the case)
Moira remembers her past lives FROM THE WOMB, way before actually being born. The power manifestation that happens when she becomes 13 is a secondary power, probably her "black brain"/stealth telepathy.
The truth is, Moira is a back-up of the 616 universe. Her mind is automatically uploaded into a "new body" whenever she dies. I always believed SHE was the actual reason "duplicates" were forbidden in Krakoa. Her Resurrection Protocols were the coma after the Sentinel attack during her 5th life; and Apocalypse's Stasis Sarcophagus during her 9th. A way for Moira to secretly travel between other realities in which she has a living body.
What else could allow that if not a secret clone of Moira? The actual truth was that the Moira we've seen up until now was a clone sent by the Man-Machine Supremacy to the past to sabotage the Krakoan dream. That's why she was hiding in the No Place, so that the real Moira couldn't find her nor reveal herself...
But all this would be if Marvel had stuck to Hickman's original plan
I’ve seen this or a similar theory before that Mr. Sinister was the one who made her a mutant. I love your version and I’d love for this to be the twist we end up seeing
Nice work!
Thanks!
@@comicbreakdownI agree. Thank you for keeping the discourse alive even as krakoa falls :(
anytime I see charles...
i just start to hear that Rick Ross song in my head....
STAY SCHEMING!! lol
I look forward to Wednesday to watch your videos. lol waiting one day more no biggie 🔥🔥🔥🔥 I only buy what’s X-men related
Sinister is secretly clever... but too arrogant for his own good.
That's what makes him a cool villain. He's always been one of my favorites
Exavier willing to secrevise krakoa and the future of all mutants just like magneto predicted. Krakoa could work. And Charles is tge one who doesn't see how. That's his blind spot. Always has been. Trying to solve a problem and decide the future for others. Thinking ge knows best. Always.
Krakoa can't work because the mutants will always tear each other apart no different than humans. Not with people like Beast, Selene, Sebastian Shaw etc.@@rodniegsm1575
Hate the fact that they r ending the Krakoa era. I thought that was what the mutants r meant to be, united, have a home etc. The mansion stories never made sense to me.
Marvel is ruining the best thing thats going on for them
Krakoa brought back everything I loved about the x men… the past year has mostly made me me sad. Such a good story arc but so … like wtf is even happening
I'm in and all through your comment 😢
That panel with Jean in the beginning of the book piloting the space shuttle and enigma’s commentary (she destroys dominions) yeah it’s going to be Phoenix vs Enigma in X-MEN Forever! I think it’s pretty clear the 5 resurrected the Dead X-MEN team it didn’t really need to be showed, its self explanatory.
I am an Unlimited subscriber, and have really been looking fwd to Mondays for all the X books. Then today Rise 1&2 dropped, and I have no idea what happened to all the stuff that was happening. I didn't love all the Dominion stuff when kirkman started this storyline, and I really don't like it now. I needed your videos to make sure I understood what was happening.
I do have one different take. I read Sinister/Doug not wanting to give anything away, having to do with him having Psi abilities to "drop eaves" bc that would give away that he's not merely Cipher.
I'm gonna miss the Krakoa era. It was good to see mutantkind come together to fight a common enemy (bigots), but some people like Professor X to be ™MLK and not be an angry feed up minority
I actually really like this version of Xavier as Gillen writes him to be honest!
Flatscan thinking holding us all back 😢
Charles is always realizing things late. He'll realize when they have lost that he should have killed Moira as a baby
I hope Darwin reaches dominion status in the vault
I would LOVE this. It makes perfect sense and the setup is right there. And if the writers don’t pick up this thread now, it probably won’t happen after this era is over. :(
@@Rinoavalentine with the way they are rushing things my fingers are crossed.
Rasputin IV is an interesting character. I don't know much about her, but I want to see more of her.
Hooray Krakoa is gone. Maybe the X-men can act like heroes again
I have a feeling the young men are coming back with some new members
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Good afternoon comic break down 🙂😊
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The panel deal shows Jean Grey is alive but dying. I think Hope will save the Phoenix and Jean by giving up her life to save them both.
I think it's more they can't heal a injuries than trying to bring her back to life. As we seen on the RPOX Issue 5 cover. Jean Grey is alive with the Phoenix which means the phoenix is going to come back to life and stop Enigma.
Oh and yeah!
Pretty good, I hope they don’t rush it
Engine is planning a trap he knows Xavier is trying to use time travel to change things
I am not sure time travel can t change anything especially how powerful dominion is
Clearly dominion ties in with Gods somehow, that's the big deal. I'm just looking forward to that right now.
I wonder if these changes will affect Xavier & Cassandra Nova, since it did seem to affect Cable. would love to see the revised Tri-Sentinel if this does occur.
It seems as though they are setting Rasputin up to be a type of sleeper bomb, having a confluence of the major players in one place with the AI dominion, and doing a big hard reset. If only for the X-Men titles, if not universe wide. This way they can be more in line with the direction that marvel studios will be going with the X-Men so that it's more familiar, not the first time they've done this
Its all a Danger room simulation.
I’m glad the Krakoa era is coming to an end. This just doesn’t feel like the X-Men anymore. I understand they wanted to try something new, nothing wrong with that. But it’s such a departure from what the X-Men were, it’s just a totally different thing. Like they were turned into the Inhumans in a way. Can’t wait to get back to the mansion
I don't feel like they are rushing or anything. They are solving things that were meant to be solved. They are in a war, so a lot of things happen at the same time. I'm sincerely not missing any explanation until now. All of them are being delivered. Some not at a chronological order, but delivered nonetheless.
And about the resurrection, they explained it at Immortal X-men. The five are back in action, with Mother Righteous herself acting as the cerebro backup part.
Specially everything with thor, and hulk that i would hate bro
She is my fav i hope they keep her around matbe a member of Xforce or an Xmen since Storm is leaving?
I hope MARVEL keeps Rasputin IV around. She's a cool with really good powers. Going back to kill a baby/child. Guess they forgot Mystique caused this to bring her girl back...or maybe they still don't know
I got to read this issue this past Tuesday at my LCS. I like that Rasputin is powerful, but she isn't OP. If not for Cypher's intervention, she would have ultimately been killed by all those Sentinels on steroids. I am curious how Xavier was able to find and utilize this "hidden room" that even the Dominion can't perceive. I am a little annoyed that Cypher's wife is not there standing alongside him as his bodyguard. We haven't seen her in awhile and makes me wonder what happened to her ever since Krakoa placed Cypher in stasis.
In unlimited comics after the civil war on arrako they showed her that she was clearing the remains of the amenthy demons .Apparently she was on Mars after the gala . They showed a glimpse of the daily life of Cypher and Bei and that she was missing him . She even talked with Kobak and Sunspot which shouldn't be possible since even Cypher couldn't understand her but i guess we have to roll with it .They did the same with Firestar and put her in unlimited comics and she had few issues there although i think they should have included them in a proper issue i think .🤷♂
@@danielivanov930 yes you are correct, Bei is on Arrako and recently in the Unlimited comics (the ones that run on the app). just as a side note, if I recall correctly from when it was explained in X of Swords, everyone can understand what she says except for Cypher. I forgot why!
@@Rinoavalentine oh
Holy shit... holy shit...
Theyre doing this because of the Deadpool/Wolverine movie
Rasputin IV is still Best Girl out of the Krakoa Era.
DAMN KNO MORE X-MEN RED
Bring back Hickman!!
I’ve been… kind of wondering… if this is an elephant in the room? I’m not in the loop when it comes to industry knowledge. But I know Hickman left the X-office/Marvel to work on his individual projects. Now he’s back on Marvel… started GODs, which unfortunately is now ending after issue 8 (too bad, I like it). And he’s got Ultimates and a Doom book. Surely someone is asking about X-Men again, no? He sold a lot of books for them.
God's has been the best thing at Marvel since it dropped.
The only reason i can see for them stopping all the current stories is some kind of attempt to connect comic xmen to an mcu type xmen. And even then there are better ways to go about it than rushing through stories that have been building for awhile now
I hope they're not doing this for movie purposes
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Arachnoid sentinels ?!?? Da fuck
Man i cant stand difficulties
Yeah you’re right this ending does seem pretty rushed and kinda glossed over.
Sure, the krakoan era got super weird but its been going on long enough for it to stay cannon in my opinion.
If they just go right back to the mansion or delete all this from the timeline that would be stupid.
I really think they need to keep mutants kind of on a revenge war path against humans to some degree until they figure out how make the whole mutant nation story work.
It would be a shame if all this was for nothing.
Professor X needs to talk to Doctor Doom or Kang the conqueror or whoever and get rid of Moira before she’s born unless her parents are tied to the fabric of the multiverse .My guess is Mr.Essex created Moira . So that would be another loophole.
I hate that they've been trying to destroy krakoa since its creation
Krakoa era was only supposed to be a 3 year run. It made it to 5 years off of love.
@@lastone032085 fact keep it going
This wasn't a bad issue but like you said , it feels just rushed . 😐
Yeahj😂
Yes such a shame. This could have been so good. They ruined it by throwing it into overdrive.
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This does not feel rushed at all.
I will be more than willing to elaborate on why I think this fits perfectly
Hope sacrificing herself 😢
Honestly I’m glad it’s ending because they fumbled the bag on this one with the firing of Hickman and now I will not be buying any comics because there is no point….i rather watch you sum it up than give them more of my money
Hickman wasn't fired. He had a 3 year contract. His time ran out due to the bloat the writers room added because they loved what Hickman came up with. Hickman left them with everything they need to finish the story.
So are these 2 the only ones going after the big bad? If so and they're successful, then all of krakoa, powers of x, x of swords and everything never happened. No need to resurrect Magneto. Orchis doesn't matter. Like you said all the other titles will need to reset too. Iron man and his new suit will never come to be. Mystirium is a metal that shouldn't exist IMO anyways.
I couldn't follow this issue at all. So Mother Righteous made a clone of herself in Heaven? Why did Rasputin IV have so much trouble against a single sentinel when she's so powerful? Where'd the heck did the time spiders come from?
I'm dissaponted...... The everybody is Sinister ruoned this era. It's so bad. No villain has agency because of their sinisterly! But your hero's don't have have agency...... Because they're Sinister! 😑
It's lazy and stupid.
But youdo great work! Thank you for the breakdowns!
I agree. I overall liked this issue except I really disliked this part. I thought we were past that “everyone is a Sinister” thing… it gives me Battlestar Galactica memories 😂
It mostly bothers me because Cypher was such an integral part of the Krakoan era. The set up, the maintenance, even his quiet machinations in the background. He deserved the agency and to close out the Krakoan era at the end.
X-Men has been a mess and a bunch of convolution I'd say for the last 10 or 15 years.
As far as I'm concerned the comics are unreadable.
I still don't understand what's happening to Jean Gray and they canceled the comics she was last in everything is so rushed and I'm over it.
This thing needs to end. It's not very good.The way the mutants plow through Orchis and the Sentinels like butter reduces any threat they represent. HOX/POX should have been a "What If". "What If the Anti Mutant groups were Right". This IP needs a reboot/refresh after the damage this era has done.
Then don’t write the story, quality is gone…
And holly crap I LOVED. Krakoa
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OMG ITS SINSITER AGAIN 😒
This feels rushed.😒