*Beginner Vocaloid fans:* haha Miku is great *Intermediate Vocaloid fans:* Miku is overrated, she takes the spotlight off all the other quality voicebanks and she isn't even that cool ugh *Veteran Vocaloid fans:* haha Miku is great
@Anela Ruth Yamuna Balma I wouldn't go that far, I even went through that stage myself. At some point it does start to feel unfair that her spotlight tends to drown out the other Vocaloids, but eventually it dawns on you that none of the others would exist in the first place had Miku not become the poster child of Vocaloid and you learn to appreciate her a lot more. She became my favorite, actually, so much so that I have her 01 tattooed on my shoulder now.
Anela Ruth Yamuna Balma i actually think your comment was on point tho, even if we all went to that phase, it doesn’t change the fact that it is what it is
That's so true! Just listen to Warum by MazoP he sounds so hot in that! (might just be due to the sick bass in the background lmao but still) also same problem with Gakupo, except for the V4/Power version, his Voicebank really seems to be hard to make sound right
There's more of a lilt in his voice which fits particular songs which definitely wouldn't work with other vocaloids, this being especially shown in nyanyannya's Doctor=Funk Beat, and Hyper Gore Flying Squirrel Stick Disappear-y Genius
Vocaloid got me into japanese stuff. Japanese stuff lead to anime. Anime lead to me drawing shit art. Shit art go me into and art highschool. Art highschool made me apply to art uni. Now I'm going to study art next year. Thanks Miku
Hot take: without miku vocaloid would have gone nowhere. If they never took that step in marketing vocaloid would be dead right now. Miku is the reason this fandom is allowed to exist
It's also why they ship Kaito and Miku as Kaito was really unpopular and was going to be scrapped until Miku and the song cantarella came along game him a 2nd chance. Now he's one of the most popular
@@ElainaMaruyama it does means u have to like her, but not hate her as well! Not say that she is overrated! Think she is underrated! Miku should be the most popular singer in the world.
at the end of the day tho, they're just avatars / characters of a vocaloid 02 voicebank; some music creators even use those characters as couples to portray love stories (such as suki kirai by HoneyWorks, Hitoshizuku x Yama's Seasonal Feathers and Magical Mirror) , some as twins (daughter of evil series) and some as not related / connected at all (remote control, world domination (neru p) ) just like how we treat miku, kaito, ai, and other vocaloids, we can also image rin and len however we want them to be.
okay hi here’s the thing is it makes me sad that vocaloid is losing popularity. vocaloid is what got me into studying japanese culture, what brought me closer with my host sister when i lived in japan, and therefore lowkey the reason i’m minoring in japanese. i found this while trying to find new vocaloid songs to study to since i’ve been listening to the same ones since i was 11 (hellooooo double lariat) and idk. this hit different
it's definitely not dead and won't be dead for a long time especially if you see that magical mirai is getting bigger every year and Miku can successfully tour Europe now. The fandom has just evolved and whilst it may be less active it's far from dead Actually I recon it's bigger than ever
Keekydeeks I think people just think that the fandom is dead because they are still holding on to the classic Vocaloid songs from 2007-2012. Those songs aren’t bad, but people don’t realize that popular artists like Mitchie M, Giga P, and Deco*27 and so many others are still going strong to this day. It’s not that people aren’t making as many songs, it’s that you’re not looking for them.
@@radiantheguy I think 07-12 were the best of Vocaloid for the most part, but what's really bad about some of the more modern Vocaloid songs is that they're often... Not as amazing feeling... Like look at White flame back when he used Vocaloids, he was extremely creative with his songs. Using piano or guitar when he darn well pleased. Now most of the promoted songs are techno styled
Me: Bro I hate Miku, she’s literally so overrated. *miku song comes on* Also me: YESS QUEEN BLESS MY EARS YOU MAJESTICAL BEAST. DONT LET ANYONE BRING U DOWN. THIS WORLD IS YOURS HONEY.
na would just like to clarify that I don’t actually hate her. She’s a whole icon and if she ever spit at me or stepped on me, I would cry tears of joy and thank her.
That's just cause a lot of fans want to see the other vocaloids as well, but that never happens because it's always just miku. Like in the games and the concerts the vast majority is miku. This is also shown in something I read www.polygon.com/2016/5/31/11818548/hatsune-miku-concert-review-nyc-may-2016. The person who went to the concert is not a fan of vocaloid, and with no prior experience. She said it herself that Miku was on so much it was like when the others came on that those were just her friends that come on when even she has to take a break.
There's definitely no need to produce new Japanese Vocaloids, only to update the current ones (V4) and possibly the older, abandoned ones as well. We have ENOUGH voice variety for that language, which is great of course. But what we really need is Vocaloids in other languages. We only have 2 Koreans, 3 Spanish, a couple of English, and a few Chinese. What about the rest of the world that are fans of the Vocaloid softwares and musicians?
Girl, I agree with everything you said and I actually got kind of emotional. Vocaloid was such a big part of me back in 2013-2015 but for some reason I kind of forgot about it. I still play Project Diva from time to time but that was it. And now, after all those years, I'm trying to come back, but the shitload of all the new vocaloids kind of scared me. When I discovered your videos, I was sooo surprised that your Vocaloid content is recent work. And when you explained why you're still trying, it hit me. I missed Vocaloid so bad. I miss the old fandom so so bad. And I'm more than glad that people like you still exist. 🖤
The only one I didn't agree with was the "stop making new vocaloids" part. If we don't make new vocaloids, the fandom will get bored. A lot of the new vocals are amazing, especially the English ones. Also, imagine all the new languages that could be adapted to vocaloid. Also also, since all vocaloids since today and the present day someone looks at this have been released, we will be getting updated versions of these too? Also also also, no two vocaloids are EXACTLY the same(yes even Rin/Len despite having the same voice provider). Anyway, I just wanted to say this. I guess this video's name fits nicely, huh?
Me: okay I’m kind of getting into vocaloid since I started this decade kind of getting back into anime and have started listening to weeb music. Vocaloid fandom: haha we’re dead btw
@@BeeLy1011 it's definitely not dead and won't be dead for a long time especially if you see that magical mirai is getting bigger every year and Miku can successfully tour Europe now. The fandom has just evolved and whilst it may be less active it's far from dead Actually I recon it's bigger than ever
Lovelove Mikira Yes, I was like “Finally!!!”. I know that the producers of these models havent confirmed about their relationship but it still gives me weird feeling when I see them having romantic feeling toward each other ...
@fandomtrash. exe ahh yeah, now that I've been in the fandom for awhile longer I know that they're actually mirror images of eachother and their relationship is up to interpretation.
yeah vocaloid is losing popularity yes, but I think releasing new vocaloids is part of keeping the fandom alive? Una made a lot of success and akari is kinda there being used, but I reaaaally want some updates that we are probably never getting (rip piko) ;-; the rest of the video is absolutely right, especially the second one, because WHY
@@99marmicki99 true, the new added chinese vocaloids are kinda raising the fandom there, and moke even became a MEME on social medias, i'm so proud of him
I’ve never liked Rin x Len. I love both characters and they’re super cute. But I can’t see them as a couple. They have the same last name which makes it weirder. They look too similar so they’re obviously twins / mirrors of each other. The R and L are supposed to be like the R and L on headphones apparently. Just like how they’re the Treble and Bass clefs on a sheet of music, which unsurprisingly is Len for bass (left hand piano) and Rin for treble (right hand piano) Tbf their designs were too well thought out for them to be shipped. They’re supposed to mirror each other.
quiet let a fanbase interpret characters how they would like in accordance with their open designs and opportunities they were built and released with for this aforesaid free creativity regarding said character. tl;dr let fukase go brrr
As an old 2012 vocaloid fan, I actually quit the fandom like in 2016-2017 and in the start of 2018, I also miss the golden days Many fanarts, and I really miss (in a guilty way) to see some kids crying over Miku x Kaito not being canon, I quickly get tired of new vocaloids as the same reason as you (They always end up forgotten, I stopped following the development after LUMI came out and I really have no idea which vocaloid can come next after her) Thanks to you, I re-joined the fandom and I appreciate your dedication for your videos, trying to reunite vocaloid old and new fans together to make vocaloid great again! You already did a person to join again here, thanks for your content! ^^
We already have Lenka which makes no sense whatsoever.... Rin and Len are a reflection of each other, male and female, so why add a female version of Len if that already exists??
@@navylavender977 They're twins.. That might be the reason why they... I don't know, everything's so strange.. Maybe they don't want incest so they make him be with himself..I can't understand at all tho..
The English cover one, I FELT THAT. The English covers can be useful/good but it actually bewilders me when a JubyPhonic cover gets more views than the original. And I also feel really bad for the original artist who worked so hard on the song.
*cough cough* miss wanna die literally though, i got so sad when i searched miss wanna die and had to scroll far to find the original, and the ones before were all the english cover 😞
#MakeVocaloidGreatAgain I miss too the golden era of Vocaloid. I talk about Vocaloid to my K-pop fans friends and some said they left Vocaloid fandom for the K-pop fandom, and that is a thing that makes me kinda sad, because you perfectly be fan of Vocaloid and K-pop. (Sorry for my bad English, I'm Spanish xd) (Edit; Thanks for the likes ♡♡♡)
i agree, i rarely know the newer vocaloids, but the Chinese ones are good to be released since in china I've heard they're doing really well. fukase, flower, and the new meika twins are doing really well though
Yeah, I think they should make more Vocaloids in different languages than make more Japanese ones. There's enough for variety. But I agree about the Meikas!
MandarinCat agree we need more Spanish,Chinese,Korean,English vocaloids and maybe we add more languages like French,German,Italian,Turkish and many more
Some times I watch them to hear and understand the lyrics better, also some times I actually really like the lyrics of a song so I wanna have an English version in my playlist ALSO also as long as the singing is good in them then I prefer them rather than having a bunch of weeb songs even tho I really like the melody of the song. Plus I can sing along lol (I mean.. I could still do that even tho it’s Japanese as long as I know the lyrics well enough, but you get it) sorry this comment is so long! just wanna make my self clear ya know
Many of the popular producers from back in the day (not all, but a good portion) have retired, moved on from Vocaloid, or simply make less songs than what they used to. There are still plenty of producers now, but they don't have the advantage of broadcasting to the initial wave of fans from when Vocaloid first boomed. Even so, I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. Vocaloid may have become less popular but it's not likely to die out anytime soon because it's established itself as a legitimate tool and instrument for musicians.
FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE WHO HATES LENCEST!!!!! I get that you all like Len’s modules, and enjoy seeing some together. But when you SHIP THEM?!?! You’re basically shipping Len...WITH HIMSELF!!! I DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT AT ALL!!! And because of Lencest, there’s now other things like that like Mikucest, Kaitocest, Rincest, THE LIST GOES ON!!!! Why is the Vocaloid fandom like this?????
OK WAIT THIS IS A GENUINE QUESTION I'M JUST CURIOUS why do people hate lencest or any other [character]cest? like why is it gross or weird? i don't really see the problem LOL and it's quite odd to see some people say they strongly hate it. i feel like it's really not that bad compared to some other things, but i'm just curious if anybody would explain their opinion.
@@syn5488 I might not be the right person for this but.. its just that we don't get what's so good about this or even that it exists as a ship. Its just weird, out there, and nothing more than just shipping clothes with clothes.
Me in elementary school after only hearing one or two vocaloid songs: "Vocaloid bad, the voices are weird." Me in middle school: "Senbonzakura and World's End Dancehall are the only good songs..." (internally: -but I must admit Miku's kinda cute- ) Me now: (has an entire 300+ song playlist that is 99% Vocaloid-related, has multiple versions of Project Diva, has downloaded a few songs using an mp3 converter, and is currently working on a song using her) "...ah, how times have changed..."
Len X Len is a thing??? Also most of these opinions are actually really good. I still feel like miku is a little over rated but she's still really good and super iconic.
I agree with you. Miku in MY opinion is overrated but that doesn't mean she has a crappy voice and awful songs I mean, if u looked at my playlist, its full of Miku songs lol
*hears “miku isnt over rated”* *automatically likes the video* i pretty much agree with all of your opinions except the one about new vocaloids, but i see where you’re coming from and respect your opinion m8
God damn I did not expect this.I agree with pretty much all the points you made and I hope the fandom becomes less toxic when it comes to the "MIKU IS OVERRATED!!!!1!!!" discourse. I can answer your last question however: the reason why people love english covers is the same reason why some people only watch dubbed anime. They feel more comfortable listening to their own language instead of one that they don't understand. Personally I also think that's kinda dumb but I respect the work of the artists that write english lyrics for the songs. Won yourself a subscriber fam! #MakeVocaloidGreatAgain
okay i'm really on board, especially with number 9 i personally feel like English covers can't pull off the originality of the Japanese version and it just doesn't fit anymore
I like English covers because as a non speaking Japanese person, it can help me understand the meaning of the song better + I like singing along in English sometimes but they are SO overhyped.
If you don't like english covers or whatever other language they're in, just don't listen to any of them, and I'm not saying that in a mean way! It's okay to dislike covers, but saying "the original is better" can be very harmful to creators because translyrics take a lot of time and effort to pull off, and not everyone can achieve a good translation, a good vocal mix, and a good vocal technique all at once. People make covers because they're very passionnate about it, and want to share their love for Vocaloid just like artists do! Covers, just like any other form of artistic creation, is a very important way of keeping the community together, and some producers don't hesitate to show their appreciation for covers because it's quite amazing to see people sing your song and put so much effort into translating and singing it. I don't know if that changes your visions of things a bit, but in any case, everyone has their own right to create what they want and if you dislike it, just skip it! ♥️
I can see why people would. Sometimes a vocaloid sounds awkward singing certain notes and having a human cover it just makes the song ten times better.
I can't stand english covers. If a person cannot practice japanese and makes honour to the original, just don't sing the cover... It just seems to lazy to me. I don't speak japanese, but some vocaloid songs are my favorite ever that I learnt the japanese lyrics
While i agree with you with pretty much everything you said, i have to disagree with the fact that all new vocaloids are flops. Yes, many of them are forgotten after 3 covers are uploaded to youtube because their voices arent special. But that doesnt mean they are inherently bad: Fukase (obv), Otomachi Una and flower all have been great successes because they actually sound _different._ Fukase's power, Una's versatility with Gender Factor (she sounds very good when doing the Shakira thingie) and flower's uniqueness (she is a very good competence for miku if you look at how many songs shes staring to get lately) are all proof that not everything has been done yet. WE STAN PUNK ICON FLOWER
Agreed! I try my best to keep up with their processing because I want to give all of them a chance (even though I would love for older ones to be updated more). Flower is probably my favourite that has come from the newer ones. My own unpopular opinion being added. I really can't stand Fukase. The fact he both looks and sounds alike to Oliver just annoys me. Why couldn't they have given Oliver an update instead of making him?
Project Mirai DX is better than Project Diva X. 1. More songs 2. More songs from other Vocaloids 3. Costs $20 less 4. You can play PuyoPuyo if you're bored 5. More friendly to casual players, but can still get challenging at times 6. Gumi
I honestly don’t really like any covers of Vocaloid songs, I find that people really try to over sing, if you get what I mean. I love Mafumafu, he makes great songs, but when I heard his cover of Snobbism I just though it was way to much. I also just hate how they almost always get more view than the original, and even though they put the og in the description, everyone thinks it’s their song
This is make me feel akswdekkajrp too and remind me about my friend, he don't like robotic voice so he only hear vocaloid song covered by utaite. I don't hate utaite, i'm big fan of them. Sorry for my broken english.
I get what you mean yet I don't often listen to the original Vocaloid version of songs and listen to some of the utaite cover, but I'll admit that the original version exists. If I feel curious as to what the Vocaloid/original version sounds like. Then there are is the animation meme of Snobbism, I don't think people cared to check out the Vocaloid version of it. Just generalizing though I know there are probably people who looked up the Rin Len version of the song but the chances are most likely super low.
True I'm someone who usually prefers the original song over covers whether it's covered by another vocal synth or human (I rarely listen to human singing though, I'm not into it) I rarely hear a cover that I like over the original, I don't know but sometimes it feels like there's something missing, or the voicebank used doesn't fit with the song for me because I connect the original with its vocals
(I'm like a day late but whatever) 1. Yup, Miku isn't overrated. It's more like she's over-commercialized rather than overrated, which is defined by something/someone being made out to be better than they actually are. Whereas, Miku has a solid voicebank and an iconic design, and even though she's super popular, I'm pretty sure the majority of Vocaloid fans wouldn't go around saying things like "MiKu is ThE BEst VoCALoiD ObJECTiveLY speAKinG aNd EVeryOnE eLSe SUX!!1!!!" hence, not overrated. Just absurdly popular (still love her though). 2. Ehh...I can see why people would find this ship disturbing, but I personally don't have any issues with it. Whether I ship it or not usually depends on the context (i.e. songs, AUs, headcannons...etc. For example, I'm obviously not going to ship them as their Daughter/Servant of Evil characters (Riliane and Allen) who are canon twins, but in Paper Plane I was a sobbing mess and I just wanted them to be together, y'know? Minus the Nazis and terminal illness). But all context aside, they are mirror images. Nothing more, nothing less. Whether they have a romantic or sibling-like relationship, it doesn't bother me either way. 3. Yeah, this goes without saying. I only joined the Vocaloid fandom several months short of a year ago, and even then I immediately noticed how...unlively this fandom was. Though I still managed to get sucked into it somehow, and b o o m. Here I am. 4/5. I don't have any strong opinions on these rip. (It's not like I'll ever even go to a live concert anyway considering that they don't happen in my country and I'm too broke to go abroad ;-;) 6. Never played Project Diva X, but yikes, that sounds bad. 7. I kinda disagree with this but I feel like explaining why would just be parroting what everyone else has already said about the matter, so uhhhhh......I like turtles. I also don't think there are too many Vocaloids?? Just look at how many UTAUs there are?? I personally like to keep track of all the Vocaloids and I adore them all. I also don't think it's fair to complain about all the similar voice types. If Vocaloid™ was one big company that made all of the Vocaloids, it'd be fair to criticize them for constantly sending out slightly altered copies of the same thing, but all of the Vocaloids are owned by different companies, thus, that criticism doesn't really work. You can't really expect companies to not produce a young female voicebank when those are the ones that sell best, I guess is what I'm trying to say? But in my humble opinion, despite similarities, no two Vocaloids are exact copies of each other. There are differences in their voices, and they've all got a unique charm to them. I think there are a lot of Vocaloids that deserve to be appreciated more. In an idealistic world, they would be. 8. Selfcest in general just isn't my thing. I can see the appeal, particularly when it comes to shipping different versions/personalities/modules of the same person (it's cute somehow), but even then, that's a big s o m e w h a t cute. I guess I'd just rather ship people with other people?? It just makes more sense I guess?? Idk what I'm talking about anymore, ignore me. 9. It definitely annoys me when an english cover gets more attention than the original song. However, I don't hate them, and there are a few english covers that I really really like. The english lyrics can also be kinda fun to sing. Um, so that's pretty much it. Thanks for reading this far, if you did. Oh, and #makevocaloidgreatagain
I agree with you for 2 Even though I am a hardcore rinlen shipper, I at least like them to have a close sibling relationship if in the song or something they are twins. I headcannon them as dopplegangers, that way they dont have to be realted. Also there were two kids at my school with the same last name that liked eachother in fifth grade so like- Well one liked the other- Also the designs are similar but- Technically they all have similar faces? Its the Blonde hair and blue eyes isnt it?
Y E S for point two. I ship Rin x Len, but only in the songs where they aren't related, and are potrayed as lovers (e.g Feathers across the Seasons and The 13th Apocolypse). I entirely agree that shipping relies heavily on context; I'm not going to ship them in Evillious Chronicles, as they are brother and sister in that instance, but I will ship them in Maid Factor, because they both love each other and are adorable!
1. Agree Miku is god 2. I used to ship RinLen but I don't anymore 3. We are dying and it scares the shit out of me 4. It's true and you should say it 5. I don't have an opinion 6. Don't have X can't say anything bout it, but I am probably gonna buy it simply because I personally like a lot of the songs on it. 7. I follow the Chinese ones because they're very good. 8. Wrong. Lencest is god. Although I'm very for any selfcest when possible and I pretty much ship every other selfcest too. 9. Most of them are bad I agree. The fact that Juby can post anything and get ridiculous views pisses me off, especially when her voice literally fucking ruins a song like with Jitter Doll. She has ONE tone.
@@evrenbasak6381 it’s not incest. Please don’t say that. They’re not canonically siblings. In Suki Kirai, and HUNDREDS of other songs, they are NOT siblings. PLEASE do not call it incest.
@☆Hanbistarr☆ ive lost interest in arguing about this now, its a year later JEDKH id say the last name just indicates that theyre a pair. it rlly isnt that big of a deal, view em as whatever u want. its only wierd if ppl deliberately ship them AS siblings
@☆Hanbistarr☆ nah ur alg, I used to be rlly into trying to inform people ab this LOL. Voca is literally ab ur own interpretation so anything is on the table for all characters unless you actually make it problematic !!
@@Sheamuscz It not even the "Story of Evil". The entire Evillious Chronicles Rin and Len are shown as twins. Behemo and Leiva (Barisol's child), Hänsel and Gretel (Tale of abandonment), Allen and Rilliane (Story of Evil), Arte and Pollo (Evil Food Eater Conchita). The entire plot line is about Len's soul trying to find Rin again in a way.
But then again, excluding that story which uses their own 'souls' they are normally seen as actors where you can ship the characters (eg man and crane in FAtS, or the two school children in SK) but not themselves. So shipping THEM is wrong but yeah.
With the Miku being overrated one, I understand that she's supposed to be a 'breakthrough' for Vocaloid, but the thing that bothers me the most is that Crypton doesn't advertise Rin, Len and Luka as much. Breakthrough or not, Rin, Len and Luka are still creations of Crypton, and deserve as much effort for merchandise, new performances and animations as Miku does. I just don't see why they created them and basically threw them to the side. Edit: Right. People are now replying about why I didn't specify Kaito and Meiko, so I'm going to put it here. Yes, of course they deserve more love. But I understand why they are treated the way they are. Kaito and Meiko AREN'T OWNED BY CRYPTON, so I can some reasoning behind their treatment. MY point with how Luka, Len and Rin should be getting more advertisement is that they ARE owned by Crypton, same as Miku, so there is NO reason why they should be treated less. So, Yes, Kaito and Meiko do need more appreciation, BUT I didn't mention them because I see the reasoning behind not giving them as much. Luka, Rin and Len - owned by Crypton, so there is no reason behind them not getting the same treatment as Miku. Kaito and Meiko - not owned by Crypton, so there is suitable reasoning behind why they are treated the way they are.
@@keira6444 While I do believe they deserve more, I understand why they are treated less, because they aren't technically owned by Crypton, just adopted. So I see the reasoning behind Meiko and Kaito, but definitely not behind Luka, Rin and Len. They all need more love!
I have a hard time keeping track of the new vocaloids that come out too, except occasionally there are a few good ones, like recently the hype over Meika Mikoto and Hime.
-there's a difference bw "overrated" and "good". miku is good, therefore she is popular. her design and voice are definitely unique and lovely. she's the face of the industry, but that doesn't have to be a bad thing. most producers use her voice, and they use her voice very well. that speaks for itself. -personally i find rin x len shippable if the song portrays it that way. like in shikiori no hane. it's more like i ship their voices than their characters, bc their voices mix so well but their characters, without the portrayal of a song to portray them any differently, just seem like siblings by default. -vocaloid is definitely past its golden days. i remember when hazuki no yume's channel got terminated, english subs that were once pumped out religiously became harder to come by. but for japanese producers themselves, there are a lot of relatively new producers who make great songs and deserve more attention from fans worldwide. moreover, producers like pinocchio-p, misumi, *luna, etc release a lot of new songs pretty often, and those are the songs i think of when i think about more recent vocaloid hits. vocaloid is dying, but not dead, and there'll always be ppl who're keeping it alive. -yeaaaaahhh the newer models/MMD/Proj Diva stuff doesn't seeeem gooood -i think only una and maybe some others were rlly big hits among newer 'loids. i agree, they just just update the old ones. male VBs especially imo. i want to see chinese 'loids get more variety, tho. newer 'loids are fine by me as long as they bring something unique to the table. -when was lencest NOT weird, my guy -i personally am a fan of english (and other languages) translyricists and cover artists bc i see the creation of derivative works as an art form in and of itself. it's rlly cool to see ppl get creative with how they interpret songs and create "singable" words from the translations. it requires skills different from creating a song or translating a song, so i see it with as much respect as i would see either of the other two. english covers take popularity from the songs they're based off of bc the listeners don't take the time to seek out the original song. that's why i appreciate cover artists who link the producer + other original credits in their desc. and talk about why they like the song they're singing about.
Yeah well when she's ass licked so much that the latest game only gave your waifu one solo song and Meiko and Kaito none, you start to jump on the overrated/bias bandwagon.
I agree with the majority of these opinions! I'm always coming back to old vocaloid songs and mmd videos Btw, I'm interested in your channel's content👀
0:40 totally agree. I know they are "reflexes" and their relationship can be interpreted however you want, but just look at them, they are fucking the same and the last name is the same, so I really don't understand why people pair them up. Well, that's my opinion.
Legit nothing is appealing, why would you ship the same person together anyways? Mirror images/genderbends is just as weird as the sibling thing, cuz in one pov youre shipping siblings, and the other is the same exact person.
@@ahshitherewegoagain7461 ikr it's kinda weird and that's why I don't really listen to songs where they're portrayed as lovers (some are actually really good but it feels wrong)
2:49 YES! THANK YOU! FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT! I hate how when I look up a Vocaliod song that I haven’t listened to in a while, and the English covers have more views than the original, or worse, the original has been removed! I depise English covers with a burning passion. They’re not even that good and they draw attention away from the original.
especially considering certain english covers from a certain youtaite is what took out one of the best, active translators in the fandom (hazuki no yume)
I really don't get it actually...? I think english covers are pretty cool since they help sharpen the artist's lyric skills aswell as spread vocaloid songs to a wider audience. Although this may be speaking in bias as I wouldn't have gotten into Vocaloid without English covers (I was very young when I found Vocaloid and didn't have a strong vocabulary at the time.)
some english covers are amazing. youtbers such as Lizzy, JubyPhonic, Ashe, and Lollia are great singers for english covers. while i will also admit where i've heard others try it and its sounded like nails down a chalk board.
DragonCat It kinda depends on the voice and if their voice suits the song they’re singing but most of the time I think the English versions are shit like Judy phonic. I’ve only heard a few of her covers but out of the ones I heard her voice does not at all suit the songs and I think her voice is rather annoying.
I agree with all your opinions and also... 0:59 ...I want to cry...😞😞😞 I still love vocaloid a lot and I miss the old days when vocaloid was such a big thing...
the rin x len thing is so true. like, i could never ship that. in my eyes they've always appeared more as siblings to me than mirror images and the idea just makes me uncomfortable
All of the guys in my school are getting into vocaloid and it's weird Edit: I have a few friends from japan and they said vocaloid isnt dying over there as far as they know, for us it's probably because of kpop (sadly) and the fact that she's in a country most of us haven't been to and in a language we dont understand, they make music mainly for japan, not us
#makevocaloidgreatagain Vocaloids that need new voicebanks or updates rigjgigg -Piko -Gakupo -Maybe Fukase -Mayu -(insert some v3 vocaloids here) And I completely agree the new modules for the concerts look disgusting tbh 2012-2016 (maybe 2017) were defenitely the most amazing vocaloid years Producers like Maretu, Giga, Wowaka, Michie M, and plenty others were stunning I hardly listen to vocaloid anymore, but i did recently and it was that one luka and miku song by Mitchie M, I was shocked IDK God i WISH VOCALOID WOULD COME BACK AND BE AS GOOD AS IT USED TO BE ;(((( ((and theres a shit ton of english vocaloids like yea thats cool but maybe new korean ones, chinese, even japanese, but jefiogsb
I mean it may have a lot but just pick up a few Vocaloids and stick with that, I mostly like Gakupo, Kaito, Rin and Len stuff and a few other vocaloids too
I showed my friend vocaloid music and she said "this is so childish" and called me a big weeb, I'm pretty sure this happens to 99% of us lmao #makevocaloidgreatagain ... *It's hard to find friends who support you unconditionally*
So I found this on my recommended and I want to say something about vocaloid is dying. I *kinda* agree with it. Let me explain (sorry for bad english) So as someone who joined this fandom in the end of 2016, I was confused at how easier it was to find 2008-2014 songs on the top vocaloid song list compared to 2015 or 2016 songs. It's also hard to find english subtitles of newer songs since some active translation youtube channel have gone. This shows newer songs have less and less attention compared to the older ones (at least in the english-speaking side of the fandom). That's very unfortunate since songs are very important in this fandom Even so, I found few people on instagram who joined the fandom in 2017 / 2018. Unpopular opinion but I think vocaloid is actually still growing despite older fans say it's dying. It may not be much, but it's still there. Also I believe Miku is still very popular at Japan. She had new merchandises, new collaborations with franchises and mobile games. She even had a collaboration with an amusement park too! I personally think as long as Miku is still popular, vocaloid still lives. She's the reason why vocaloid is popular, and she's the reason why it stays popular too
I agree with all of them (except the 6 because I never played project diva x) and especially the first and the second one. I’ve seen lots of people that dislike Miku just because she’s « overrated » and that’s pretty annoying. To be honest, I like her voice and I think she deserves all the popularity she gets. And I don’t understand why people ship Rin x Len. For me it’s gross because I see them as twins. I simply can’t see them as lovers. By the way, I really love your videos, they’re always entertaining to watch!
I mean let's be honest, no one cares about new vocaloids when they all look like any other anime character or a rip off of another pre-existing vocaloid. just focus on the ones that already exist and are recognizable and iconic.
Hey ,about the last one , people mostly want to listen to songs that they can understand... it's just because English is a popular language. I personally looove Japanese Japanese songs, than if I want to understand'em I can just read subtitles hehe☆
Honestly... 1. Yeah, I love Miku and when people say she's overrated, it honestly just annoys me. 2. It's kinda understandable but I could never ship it myself. 3. I agree but I hate the thought of it. 4. I've not really seen any of it so I'm not sure, but I've never been a fan of MMD's so... 5. I've only ever been to one concert, a recent one, so I don't really know what to say about that. 6. PDX was the first PD game I ever got and I actually like some of the songs and the module collecting was OK for like a month of playing but after some time, I just bought them all. (The story was unneeded though) 7. I just can't keep track. 8. Yeah I agree, I find that stuff odd. 9. I honestly kinda agree, I never have been overly hyped for anyone who does covers apart from Oktavia, but that's because I love her voice and not because she does Vocaloid covers, like if she made original songs, I would still love her. I never have gotten the hype for others though.
Hey, I am a new vocaloid listener and I wanted to share my opinion for one of your opinions. So you were wondering why the English covers get more views, I watch them sometimes because I like knowing what they are saying. Okay great video!
fukase is the only good new one uwu hot boyo also i agree with everything in here thank you for reminding me that vocaloids exist again im back in the fandom again (kinda)
About the last one, it’s not only the English covers. I’m Japanese, I can read and understand Japanese writings and there are always these comments on japanese covers too about how they wish the original Vocaloid songs would get more views despite the cover being good.
I think new vocaloids are fine, it’s just that they usually aren’t original which is why they flop. There are so many vocaloids out there that it’s hard to make original ones. I think fukase did well was because his character design was like no other vocaloid and his voice was fairly original. (Developers, take note!) But yeah, since I started listening to vocaloid about 3 or 4 years ago it has kinda died out a bit :( it makes me really happy to see youtubers like you still making videos to keep the fan base alive!
I honestly agree with all of these. I actually love miku so much. even though she is VERY popular I just can't see her as overrated like a lot of the fandom sees. also STOP MAKING NEW VOCALOIDS. I agree with SO much. The only new ones I love are the meika twins and FUKASE.
can relate to no. 2 It feels weird, and although they said that people could see them as whatever (Twins, couple, etc) it’s just hard to see them together in a relationship ;-;
Most of these I agree with, and I hate that latest releases of Vocaloids aren’t doing so well. Like the default vocals and Sora for V5 had a bit of hype to them but it really petered out fast imo. And the V5 updates/ports for VY1/2, and Cyber songman/Diva haven’t really been advertised by Yamaha much, so people don’t seem to care I guess. Luckily, I’ve heard that Meiko, Luka, Yanhe, and Ling have been confirmed for updates, but I can’t say for sure if it’s true or not. Let’s just hope that Vocaloid gains back some of its popularity in the future with updated vbs and possibly new vb releases that actually do well
I pretty much agree with all of your opinions especially the English cover one. Once I tried searching up Aishite Aishite Aishite and all of the first results were English covers… :(
I agree with all of these and now I feel like explaining why (cuz I have nothing else to do lol) 1 (Miku isn’t overrated) Ok, ok...I saw this coming when I clicked on the video but your not wrong. Honestly I love Miku she has a very good voice bank and I can see why many people use her. Also I can see why she became so popular after voice banks that seemed rather plain (I’m sorry for you guys who love LEON, LOLA, MIRIAM and all the other vocaloids who came out before Miku) then suddenly we are given a 16 year old anime looking girl with a cute design and voicebank! She started a trend with voice banks having characters. 2 (I don’t understand why people ship Rin x Len) Honestly I don’t either. When I got into Vocaloid my first song I heard was Servant of Evil. After listening to it I looked up more videos on Rin and Len and my mind was like “Oh yeah they are definitely twins or at the very least copies of each other!” Then I saw Rin x Len and I actually looked up more “important information” to try to understand why people shipped them. They looked similar, they have the same last name, they are the same age. To this day I still can’t figure out why people ship them. 3 (Vocaloid is loosing popularity) I don’t think I have to go into depth why I feel this way because it’s not a opinion it’s a fact. I miss the old days to but we just have to keep going and hope for the best. At least there are still new people getting introduced now a days and some really great producers that are growing it’s just a fact though that it won’t ever be the same like it used to. 4 (2019 MMD is horrible) Maybe I’m being bias on this but when has it not been? Ok I’m sorry there are actually some really great people making great quality MMD videos BUT most of the time people use the same modules to the same song and then there are things like all the effects they add, the camera angles ECT... 5 (The old concert Modules were better) Ok I agree but I’m also like hmmmm....Last year I went to MIKU EXPO in LA and I had a great time (considering that it was my first Miku Concert) But after a while when I saw clips of the concert on TH-cam I remembered how the modules were very inconsistent. For some songs they had modules that look like they came from Project Diva Future Tone, then modules that were made poorly in MMD....and I like the old modules but I’m just used to seeing modules that were from the game (sorry if that bugs you) 6 (Project Diva X was a waste of money) hnNnnNNnN oH BOi I AgReE sTrOngLY wIth ThIs oNe! When I got a PS4 for Christmas this was the first game I played and I was excited because the only other Miku game I had at the time was Project Mirai DX. So I loaded the game and I played for a while and after a while I got bored. The dialogue was boring the whole story was basic...if you even want to call if a story...but in my opinion I liked SOME of the songs they chose (Tale of Deep Sea Lily, The Humous Dreams of Mrs. Pumpkin, Slow Motion, Streaming Heart, Raspberry Monster, Love Trial, and the Lost one’s weeping) also notice how there is only one Rin song on the list of songs that were my favorite to play....that’s because Miku got the majority of the songs in the set list and the other vocaloids only got ONE! ACKKK this made me so mad beyond belief and while we did have that blessed Giga P Mix that still did not make up for the things that were just listed. I could go on about how much I hate this game but I’ll spare you by just saying after I got Project Diva Future Tone DX I never touched Project Diva X again. 7 (PLEASE STOP MAKING NEW VOCALOIDS) I agree but then again I haven’t been in the Vocaloid fandom for that long (I’ve been here for 2-3 years I got into the fandom literally on New Years Eve...) and I do have personal favorite vocaloids but I know a lot of them. But I stopped caring for a lot of vocaloids after finding out about VFlower (I love Flower and she is amazing 👌) And I agree most new vocaloids (other than Fukase) have failed poorly and then get thanos snapped out of everyone’s memories. 8 (Lencest is weird) *looks up what lencest is* *results come up* Me- hOLY FU- 9 (I don’t get the hype of covers in English) Honestly I don’t even know...I usually stick to the original Vocaloid songs as they are (sometimes it’s the same song but using a different Vocaloid) But also there are covers English covers of songs I like (My Favorite English Cover of a Vocaloid song is probably Hikari Yo ,originally produced by Kikou, LittleJayneyCake’s cover of the song is so powerful and you can feel the emotion) but still even though I like some covers that doesn’t mean I get all hyped up when I hear them. So if you read though all of that congrats you win nothing (except knowing how I feel about these certain things)
Wait, I actually fully agree with these opinions, but I never knew how to express them in fear of getting hated on. I'm glad to hear that someone else shares these opinions with me. (I also don't find RinXLen/Lencest appealing. It's like watching two siblings getting it on.)
Moniie_ Oh, yes, I'm aware of that. Rin and Len can be whatever anyone wants, so I fully respect people who ship them. I know they aren't officially siblings and all that jazz.
1. Yeah Miku is insanely popular but I love her. I feel like the only time she “hogs the spotlight” is in the video games because the other vocaloids don’t get as many songs as her. 2. Idk I think it’s a cute ship 🤷🏼♀️ 3. It is unfortunately dying out kinda like the Creepypasta and Sonic fandoms 4. I don’t really watch that many mmd videos but I do agree that the older models were better. They were much cuter. 5. Idk I don’t have enough time to watch all the concerts so it’s all Greek to me 😅 6. Yes! Thank you! I mean I honestly did like some of the songs but come on, only 30?! Not to mention a majority of those songs belonged solely to Miku while everyone else got like one song. Big missed opportunity there. 7. I kinda like some of the new vocaloids but I wish they gave more attention to the older ones. 8. Uuummmm....yeah selfcest is weird :/ 9. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! Seriously why tf does Jubyphonic or whatever her name is get so much attention her voice is annoying as hell!!! She totally ruined lost one’s weeping for me. If anything I’d prefer more male English covers because those are so rare and overlooked. Anyways that’s just how I feel 😊 no hate
She also hogs the spotlight in the concerts, to a surprising extent. Kaito and Meiko only get one song! There was even a concert where they decided hey, let's put two more characters in those two characters only songs! Kaito gets even less love than Meiko(which is disappointing, he's one of my favourites), as in Doctor=Funk Beat Meiko got to be part of the two that shared with him and Kaito got no more time other than his song.
Also for english covers I generally don't really like them, but I love oktavia and I like her cover of the tailor of enbizaka more than the original. I also love the bossa nova version of alien alien.
*Beginner Vocaloid fans:* haha Miku is great
*Intermediate Vocaloid fans:* Miku is overrated, she takes the spotlight off all the other quality voicebanks and she isn't even that cool ugh
*Veteran Vocaloid fans:* haha Miku is great
Me After Joining the vocaloid Fandom: Haha Len is dying..
@Anela Ruth Yamuna Balma I wouldn't go that far, I even went through that stage myself. At some point it does start to feel unfair that her spotlight tends to drown out the other Vocaloids, but eventually it dawns on you that none of the others would exist in the first place had Miku not become the poster child of Vocaloid and you learn to appreciate her a lot more. She became my favorite, actually, so much so that I have her 01 tattooed on my shoulder now.
Anela Ruth Yamuna Balma i actually think your comment was on point tho, even if we all went to that phase, it doesn’t change the fact that it is what it is
They just give up at the end
YOU KNOW RIGHT
Kaito isn’t bad, people just don’t know how to use his voice right
You saint among saints 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Just like meiko.
That's so true! Just listen to Warum by MazoP he sounds so hot in that! (might just be due to the sick bass in the background lmao but still) also same problem with Gakupo, except for the V4/Power version, his Voicebank really seems to be hard to make sound right
I hope Kaito gets v6!
There's more of a lilt in his voice which fits particular songs which definitely wouldn't work with other vocaloids, this being especially shown in nyanyannya's Doctor=Funk Beat, and Hyper Gore Flying Squirrel Stick Disappear-y Genius
"i'm still waiting for Gakupo English and piko v4"
M O O D
piko.. :'(
Piko :'c
@@r.ecollection nah, it's *_✨ m Ø ó Đ 👑_*
piko :(
And vflower
Vocaloid got me into japanese stuff.
Japanese stuff lead to anime.
Anime lead to me drawing shit art.
Shit art go me into and art highschool.
Art highschool made me apply to art uni.
Now I'm going to study art next year.
Thanks Miku
Me too, Just with out the art uni part.
Me too, that’s why I want to go to Japan.
Same TBH.
Me except in reverse, minus art school plus tiktok( please don't hate on me because of the tiktok part)
Congratulations friend!
Hot take: without miku vocaloid would have gone nowhere. If they never took that step in marketing vocaloid would be dead right now. Miku is the reason this fandom is allowed to exist
Doesn't mean we have to like it though.
It's also why they ship Kaito and Miku as Kaito was really unpopular and was going to be scrapped until Miku and the song cantarella came along game him a 2nd chance. Now he's one of the most popular
@Unstoppable Plays! people seem to treat it as a hot take lately... I'm sure you've noticed
@@ElainaMaruyama it does means u have to like her, but not hate her as well! Not say that she is overrated! Think she is underrated! Miku should be the most popular singer in the world.
AND THAT’S A FACT
*They hated Jesus because he told them the truth.*
p r e a c h
KAKAKSJSHSHHSHSHS
YAS
True
YEA WHY DO THEY HATE ME
I feel like miku is the reason vocaloid is alive.
True I think
Because she's like the mascot
thats a fact
@@crimidalcrimidal she IS the mascot and i love her
@@riinickanimations4720 Ye ik
miku walked so the others could run lol
Miku isn't overrated, the others are just underrated.
Yes.
Facts
rin is better anyway
@@mizukittyakinyama nah man
Exactly
rin and len are mirror images, so if you ship them its basically selfcest
YEAH! That's what I was trying to say! THANK YOU
Yea, but ppl who don't know Vocaloid will confuse it with incest.
I think of them basically as twins. Same last name and same voice actress(like a mom) so they seem like twins to me
at the end of the day tho, they're just avatars / characters of a vocaloid 02 voicebank;
some music creators even use those characters as couples to portray love stories (such as suki kirai by HoneyWorks, Hitoshizuku x Yama's Seasonal Feathers and Magical Mirror) , some as twins (daughter of evil series) and some as not related / connected at all (remote control, world domination (neru p) )
just like how we treat miku, kaito, ai, and other vocaloids, we can also image rin and len however we want them to be.
whogoatpandesal couldn’t have said it better myself, thank you 🙏
I love falling deep into the vocaloid fandom right as everyone's leaving the fandom
T-T
*same here doodlio*
salty goatboy me
Oof me too
im just going to fall into the nostalgia rabbit hole, going 2011 mode fully
it is fun
100% true
To be real I don't even know 99,8% of the new vocaloids. Most os them die so early that we forgot about them pretty fast.
(Sorry for my bad english!)
You should check out boernaut's video called (Almost) Every vocaloid voice ever created - Update. That's how I keep up.
I know right?
I actually forgot that they still making more.
Your English is better than mine half the time. I put writing in the forefront. ( the way I speak it is crap)
@@PeerlessPeach I forget everything when I try to speak English 😕
I agree, I only listen to my favorite Vocaloids anyway.
okay hi here’s the thing is it makes me sad that vocaloid is losing popularity. vocaloid is what got me into studying japanese culture, what brought me closer with my host sister when i lived in japan, and therefore lowkey the reason i’m minoring in japanese. i found this while trying to find new vocaloid songs to study to since i’ve been listening to the same ones since i was 11 (hellooooo double lariat) and idk. this hit different
I totally get you :/
it's definitely not dead and won't be dead for a long time especially if you see that magical mirai is getting bigger every year and Miku can successfully tour Europe now.
The fandom has just evolved and whilst it may be less active it's far from dead
Actually I recon it's bigger than ever
Keekydeeks I think people just think that the fandom is dead because they are still holding on to the classic Vocaloid songs from 2007-2012. Those songs aren’t bad, but people don’t realize that popular artists like Mitchie M, Giga P, and Deco*27 and so many others are still going strong to this day. It’s not that people aren’t making as many songs, it’s that you’re not looking for them.
Andriana With an N Vocaloid songs from 2007-2012 are bangers tho.. I can never get tired of them.
@@radiantheguy I think 07-12 were the best of Vocaloid for the most part, but what's really bad about some of the more modern Vocaloid songs is that they're often... Not as amazing feeling... Like look at White flame back when he used Vocaloids, he was extremely creative with his songs. Using piano or guitar when he darn well pleased. Now most of the promoted songs are techno styled
"okay except Fukase"
me: *happy noises*
Fukase is THE BEST. It's so sad there isn't really that much fandom content apart from songs, memes, and fanart.
Tbh fukase needs more attention than he gets. Everybody says GHOST ruined his reputation or whatever. Idek, he needs more love
I agree with all of u
YESS FUKASE BAD BABY BOI
@@denisdaily5117 kirishima???
Me: Bro I hate Miku, she’s literally so overrated.
*miku song comes on*
Also me: YESS QUEEN BLESS MY EARS YOU MAJESTICAL BEAST. DONT LET ANYONE BRING U DOWN. THIS WORLD IS YOURS HONEY.
na would just like to clarify that I don’t actually hate her. She’s a whole icon and if she ever spit at me or stepped on me, I would cry tears of joy and thank her.
Kaite Hedden same. I sometimes feel like she’s overrated but as soon as she starts singing I start fangirling
@@lukaenjoyer6429 same, its weird
kpoptato :3 because it’s dumb and ugly
Pretty simple
"The world is yours"
I would always hate miku because she seemed overrated but deep down I always loved her the most, now I just love her in general
That's just cause a lot of fans want to see the other vocaloids as well, but that never happens because it's always just miku. Like in the games and the concerts the vast majority is miku. This is also shown in something I read www.polygon.com/2016/5/31/11818548/hatsune-miku-concert-review-nyc-may-2016.
The person who went to the concert is not a fan of vocaloid, and with no prior experience. She said it herself that Miku was on so much it was like when the others came on that those were just her friends that come on when even she has to take a break.
Seams like gumi is the most popular to me
@@Hayden_Cat no, not really
but she's one of the most popular
after a while i started to dont have that much against Miku, i just like other vocaloids better like KAITO and Fukase. (their voices are amazing)
@@plipplop1769 I agree with you on this so much!! It really is sad.
"I don't understand why people ship Rin x Len"
Me: *whisper* THANK YOU
*whispers* gawd yeaahhh
YESSS
*whisper* yaaas don't ship them
its because you're allowed to interpret what their relationship is (not that I ship them) so in ways its incest but also not incest?
SAME!
I agreed on the 'stop creating new vocaloid' i can't. keep. up.
I only know 7 and i don't want anymore
I love the old and known vocaloids.
I wish the companies can just update the other vocaloid... Gakupo needs that english voice bank.
I mean we’re running out of ideas because I’m pretty sure there’s a hammer UTAU and I mean what more can we get
There's definitely no need to produce new Japanese Vocaloids, only to update the current ones (V4) and possibly the older, abandoned ones as well. We have ENOUGH voice variety for that language, which is great of course. But what we really need is Vocaloids in other languages. We only have 2 Koreans, 3 Spanish, a couple of English, and a few Chinese. What about the rest of the world that are fans of the Vocaloid softwares and musicians?
Girl, I agree with everything you said and I actually got kind of emotional. Vocaloid was such a big part of me back in 2013-2015 but for some reason I kind of forgot about it. I still play Project Diva from time to time but that was it. And now, after all those years, I'm trying to come back, but the shitload of all the new vocaloids kind of scared me.
When I discovered your videos, I was sooo surprised that your Vocaloid content is recent work. And when you explained why you're still trying, it hit me. I missed Vocaloid so bad. I miss the old fandom so so bad. And I'm more than glad that people like you still exist. 🖤
;;
@@Minnemi *INSERTS NON EXISTENT MINNEMI*
The only one I didn't agree with was the "stop making new vocaloids" part. If we don't make new vocaloids, the fandom will get bored. A lot of the new vocals are amazing, especially the English ones. Also, imagine all the new languages that could be adapted to vocaloid. Also also, since all vocaloids since today and the present day someone looks at this have been released, we will be getting updated versions of these too? Also also also, no two vocaloids are EXACTLY the same(yes even Rin/Len despite having the same voice provider). Anyway, I just wanted to say this. I guess this video's name fits nicely, huh?
Since that disclaimer I thought really much that you would be roasting vocaloid, but I very much agree with all your opinions.
Me: okay I’m kind of getting into vocaloid since I started this decade kind of getting back into anime and have started listening to weeb music.
Vocaloid fandom: haha we’re dead btw
@Frickin’ Fricks I'm sorta new to the fandom but yup, accurate
I actually think the vocaloid fandom is coming back to life a little bit now
Same. Help me.
I don't know if I'd say it's dead, but definitely not as big as the golden days
@@BeeLy1011 it's definitely not dead and won't be dead for a long time especially if you see that magical mirai is getting bigger every year and Miku can successfully tour Europe now.
The fandom has just evolved and whilst it may be less active it's far from dead
Actually I recon it's bigger than ever
The moment you point out about rin x len, I was like " _the subject has been brought to light_ "
Lovelove Mikira Yes, I was like “Finally!!!”. I know that the producers of these models havent confirmed about their relationship but it still gives me weird feeling when I see them having romantic feeling toward each other ...
@@chatterbox1078 i heard they are actually cousins which is stil gross.
ikr omg..
@fandomtrash. exe ahh yeah, now that I've been in the fandom for awhile longer I know that they're actually mirror images of eachother and their relationship is up to interpretation.
yeah vocaloid is losing popularity yes, but I think releasing new vocaloids is part of keeping the fandom alive? Una made a lot of success and akari is kinda there being used, but I reaaaally want some updates that we are probably never getting (rip piko) ;-;
the rest of the video is absolutely right, especially the second one, because WHY
Piko stuck in V2
#givePikoaV4update
XD
@@nas897 ki-oon wants nothing to do with vocaloid anymore. besides, his vp is no longer partnered with them.
Currently, you can see Chinese Vocaloid gaining popularity at least :)
@@99marmicki99 true, the new added chinese vocaloids are kinda raising the fandom there, and moke even became a MEME on social medias, i'm so proud of him
Because Rinlen is cute.
I’ve never liked Rin x Len. I love both characters and they’re super cute. But I can’t see them as a couple. They have the same last name which makes it weirder. They look too similar so they’re obviously twins / mirrors of each other. The R and L are supposed to be like the R and L on headphones apparently. Just like how they’re the Treble and Bass clefs on a sheet of music, which unsurprisingly is Len for bass (left hand piano) and Rin for treble (right hand piano)
Tbf their designs were too well thought out for them to be shipped. They’re supposed to mirror each other.
honestly for a while I thought they were siblings and thats why I was so freaked out about it. I still dislike the ship though
The are probably cousins
Wow, I didn't know half of the stuff you said. Like Rin is "right" and Len is "left". That's genius!
You could look at the same last names as being married but I prefer changing how I see them depending on the song cause it's more fun that way.
They’re twins too which make it *worse*
"Except fukase"
Well one does not simply forget our memelord
edit: okay forget what I said the fukase memelord meme isnt funny
*BONELESS PIZZA*
YouLittleBaka N O
Why isn't the memelord memes funny? Isn't it part of his popularity?
quiet let a fanbase interpret characters how they would like in accordance with their open designs and opportunities they were built and released with for this aforesaid free creativity regarding said character.
tl;dr let fukase go brrr
@@bangtan4life813 thats the problem. Im kinda tired of listening to a fukase song and seeing comments like "HAHA MEMELORD" literally everywhere.
As an old 2012 vocaloid fan, I actually quit the fandom like in 2016-2017 and in the start of 2018, I also miss the golden days
Many fanarts, and I really miss (in a guilty way) to see some kids crying over Miku x Kaito not being canon, I quickly get tired of new vocaloids as the same reason as you (They always end up forgotten, I stopped following the development after LUMI came out and I really have no idea which vocaloid can come next after her)
Thanks to you, I re-joined the fandom and I appreciate your dedication for your videos, trying to reunite vocaloid old and new fans together to make vocaloid great again!
You already did a person to join again here, thanks for your content! ^^
“lencest is weird”
that’s not an opinion. that’s fact. like. gross. no. stop. pls.
Legit I thought it was just a meme until I figured out people actually ship it lol
We already have Lenka which makes no sense whatsoever.... Rin and Len are a reflection of each other, male and female, so why add a female version of Len if that already exists??
@@navylavender977 They're twins.. That might be the reason why they... I don't know, everything's so strange.. Maybe they don't want incest so they make him be with himself..I can't understand at all tho..
People LEGIT ship LenxLen
@@yuichirohyakuya1434 they aren't actually twins. They are mirror images. So, basically gender bend versions of each other
Also vocaloid decreased in popularity thanks to kpop
Strongly agree with Kate
@Nekomura Tsukiyo hmmm I wouldn't say that kpop was popular when it was a big thing exclusively in Asia
kinda glad tbh. it cleaned up most of the cringey fans fkmgmfmgmg
@@mrrrrrrrrrr that's very true. I think vocaloid has finally lost its long-time "scariest fandom" title. Unfortunately that's kind of going to kpop
@@HyLo-rule i mean yeah, i'm in both fandoms, but definitely seeing vocaloid go to a more mature fanbase is rlly nice ww
The English cover one, I FELT THAT. The English covers can be useful/good but it actually bewilders me when a JubyPhonic cover gets more views than the original. And I also feel really bad for the original artist who worked so hard on the song.
Iirc the English cover of Hide and Seek got like 3x more views than the original Korean version and it just irritates me
*cough cough* miss wanna die
literally though, i got so sad when i searched miss wanna die and had to scroll far to find the original, and the ones before were all the english cover 😞
#MakeVocaloidGreatAgain
I miss too the golden era of Vocaloid. I talk about Vocaloid to my K-pop fans friends and some said they left Vocaloid fandom for the K-pop fandom, and that is a thing that makes me kinda sad, because you perfectly be fan of Vocaloid and K-pop.
(Sorry for my bad English, I'm Spanish xd)
(Edit; Thanks for the likes ♡♡♡)
Mai Waifu not shaming anyone but
Vocaloid>Kpop
@@kerchewy2571 Agree. I don't like K-pop btw, I respect it xd
@@kerchewy2571 agreed
I like the music sort of, but I don't like the fangirls.
My friend likes K-pop though and I kinda have to respect het.
I hope Vocaloid surges in popularity one day.
i agree, i rarely know the newer vocaloids, but the Chinese ones are good to be released since in china I've heard they're doing really well. fukase, flower, and the new meika twins are doing really well though
Flower - as in v flower?
@@sugarwizard8676 yea
Yeah, I think they should make more Vocaloids in different languages than make more Japanese ones. There's enough for variety. But I agree about the Meikas!
Flowerrrrrrr
MandarinCat agree we need more Spanish,Chinese,Korean,English vocaloids and maybe we add more languages like French,German,Italian,Turkish and many more
"9. I don't get the hype of song covers in English"
Oh thank god i though i was the only one who thought of that
I agree, some sound cool but most are just reeeeeealy awkward.
FACTSSSS
Just checked them out to understand the lyrics.
Some times I watch them to hear and understand the lyrics better, also some times I actually really like the lyrics of a song so I wanna have an English version in my playlist ALSO also as long as the singing is good in them then I prefer them rather than having a bunch of weeb songs even tho I really like the melody of the song. Plus I can sing along lol (I mean.. I could still do that even tho it’s Japanese as long as I know the lyrics well enough, but you get it) sorry this comment is so long! just wanna make my self clear ya know
"The new Vocaloid always flop and are forgotten"
Me:*gasp*
"Ok except Fukase"
Me:oh I forgive you
same lol. I love Fukase
Many of the popular producers from back in the day (not all, but a good portion) have retired, moved on from Vocaloid, or simply make less songs than what they used to. There are still plenty of producers now, but they don't have the advantage of broadcasting to the initial wave of fans from when Vocaloid first boomed. Even so, I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. Vocaloid may have become less popular but it's not likely to die out anytime soon because it's established itself as a legitimate tool and instrument for musicians.
FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE WHO HATES LENCEST!!!!! I get that you all like Len’s modules, and enjoy seeing some together. But when you SHIP THEM?!?! You’re basically shipping Len...WITH HIMSELF!!! I DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT AT ALL!!! And because of Lencest, there’s now other things like that like Mikucest, Kaitocest, Rincest, THE LIST GOES ON!!!! Why is the Vocaloid fandom like this?????
Two words: THE ONCE-LER FANDOM
Thats basically supportin selfcest lol. I dont understand
@@dreamingpichu2334 omg exactly what I was thinking hahaha
OK WAIT THIS IS A GENUINE QUESTION I'M JUST CURIOUS why do people hate lencest or any other [character]cest? like why is it gross or weird? i don't really see the problem LOL and it's quite odd to see some people say they strongly hate it. i feel like it's really not that bad compared to some other things, but i'm just curious if anybody would explain their opinion.
@@syn5488 I might not be the right person for this but.. its just that we don't get what's so good about this or even that it exists as a ship. Its just weird, out there, and nothing more than just shipping clothes with clothes.
You : miku isn’t overrated .
Me : subscribes
me just now
Totally me
this
Me
That litterally just happened
Me at 18: I like Miku
Also me at 21: I also like Miku
I’ll stay as a casual fan
Me at 13: Miku is overrated
Me now: God I love Miku
Me in elementary school after only hearing one or two vocaloid songs: "Vocaloid bad, the voices are weird."
Me in middle school: "Senbonzakura and World's End Dancehall are the only good songs..." (internally: -but I must admit Miku's kinda cute- )
Me now: (has an entire 300+ song playlist that is 99% Vocaloid-related, has multiple versions of Project Diva, has downloaded a few songs using an mp3 converter, and is currently working on a song using her)
"...ah, how times have changed..."
2:24
Meika Hime & Meika Mikoto : *hold my plum flowers-*
Lᴏʟʏ KᴀᴡᴀɪɪCʜᴀɴ I AGREEE they’re so good
My child *sniff*
I WAS ABOUT TO COMMENT ON THEM Hime and Mikoto are my precious babies and I'll protect them with my life
I shall protect them, with all my heart.
The babies.
Gakupo needs an English voice bank. I really don't understand why he doesn't have one already....
I respect your opinion...BUT YOU CANT DO V FLOWER, PIKO, AND OLIVER LIKE THAT! 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
RIGHTTTT
Wait what did they say about Oliver?
huhh?
Oliver and Piko aren't part of the new gen of vocaloids tho?? They're pretty old school, been around for 10(?) years or more
@@LivPC I know? Wait what? Why are you telling me this? What did I say?
Len X Len is a thing???
Also most of these opinions are actually really good. I still feel like miku is a little over rated but she's still really good and super iconic.
Yes it is, that ship is called "lencest"
I wouldn't call Miku overrated. I would call the other underrated.
JuDa_0525 yeah len x len got a massive selection of fanfiction and doujinshi. I still don’t understand the appeal of selfcest
I agree with you. Miku in MY opinion is overrated but that doesn't mean she has a crappy voice and awful songs I mean, if u looked at my playlist, its full of Miku songs lol
*hears “miku isnt over rated”*
*automatically likes the video*
i pretty much agree with all of your opinions except the one about new vocaloids, but i see where you’re coming from and respect your opinion m8
God damn I did not expect this.I agree with pretty much all the points you made and I hope the fandom becomes less toxic when it comes to the "MIKU IS OVERRATED!!!!1!!!" discourse. I can answer your last question however: the reason why people love english covers is the same reason why some people only watch dubbed anime. They feel more comfortable listening to their own language instead of one that they don't understand. Personally I also think that's kinda dumb but I respect the work of the artists that write english lyrics for the songs. Won yourself a subscriber fam! #MakeVocaloidGreatAgain
"stop making new vocaloids they flop and suck"
Hime and Mikoto: lmao what if we-
okay i'm really on board, especially with number 9
i personally feel like English covers can't pull off the originality of the Japanese version and it just doesn't fit anymore
And sometimes they change the lyrics when they didn’t have to- I get it how it needs to fit and stuff but eh...
I like English covers because as a non speaking Japanese person, it can help me understand the meaning of the song better + I like singing along in English sometimes but they are SO overhyped.
If you don't like english covers or whatever other language they're in, just don't listen to any of them, and I'm not saying that in a mean way! It's okay to dislike covers, but saying "the original is better" can be very harmful to creators because translyrics take a lot of time and effort to pull off, and not everyone can achieve a good translation, a good vocal mix, and a good vocal technique all at once. People make covers because they're very passionnate about it, and want to share their love for Vocaloid just like artists do! Covers, just like any other form of artistic creation, is a very important way of keeping the community together, and some producers don't hesitate to show their appreciation for covers because it's quite amazing to see people sing your song and put so much effort into translating and singing it.
I don't know if that changes your visions of things a bit, but in any case, everyone has their own right to create what they want and if you dislike it, just skip it! ♥️
I can see why people would. Sometimes a vocaloid sounds awkward singing certain notes and having a human cover it just makes the song ten times better.
I can't stand english covers. If a person cannot practice japanese and makes honour to the original, just don't sing the cover... It just seems to lazy to me. I don't speak japanese, but some vocaloid songs are my favorite ever that I learnt the japanese lyrics
While i agree with you with pretty much everything you said, i have to disagree with the fact that all new vocaloids are flops. Yes, many of them are forgotten after 3 covers are uploaded to youtube because their voices arent special. But that doesnt mean they are inherently bad: Fukase (obv), Otomachi Una and flower all have been great successes because they actually sound _different._ Fukase's power, Una's versatility with Gender Factor (she sounds very good when doing the Shakira thingie) and flower's uniqueness (she is a very good competence for miku if you look at how many songs shes staring to get lately) are all proof that not everything has been done yet. WE STAN PUNK ICON FLOWER
Yeah. I think flower is quite famous. I believe most Honeyworks' fans know about her, as she sang many of their songs.
Dilukharts uwu cough cough GHOST
I like Otomachi’s voice, her voice clarity can be put at the same level as Miku’s voice but that’s just my opinion, I dunno about you guys
I love flower! Though I really wish she gets more popular.
Agreed! I try my best to keep up with their processing because I want to give all of them a chance (even though I would love for older ones to be updated more). Flower is probably my favourite that has come from the newer ones.
My own unpopular opinion being added. I really can't stand Fukase. The fact he both looks and sounds alike to Oliver just annoys me. Why couldn't they have given Oliver an update instead of making him?
Project Mirai DX is better than Project Diva X.
1. More songs
2. More songs from other Vocaloids
3. Costs $20 less
4. You can play PuyoPuyo if you're bored
5. More friendly to casual players, but can still get challenging at times
6. Gumi
Agree 💯
If only Gumi could be playable though
@@gamernanami914 well "playable" 😉
I honestly don’t really like any covers of Vocaloid songs, I find that people really try to over sing, if you get what I mean. I love Mafumafu, he makes great songs, but when I heard his cover of Snobbism I just though it was way to much. I also just hate how they almost always get more view than the original, and even though they put the og in the description, everyone thinks it’s their song
Only like new utaite fans think that the covers are their original songs? A lot of utaite fans actually end up getting into vocaloid.
This is make me feel akswdekkajrp too and remind me about my friend, he don't like robotic voice so he only hear vocaloid song covered by utaite.
I don't hate utaite, i'm big fan of them. Sorry for my broken english.
Lollia's covers are way better than any other Vocaloid English cover.
I get what you mean yet I don't often listen to the original Vocaloid version of songs and listen to some of the utaite cover, but I'll admit that the original version exists. If I feel curious as to what the Vocaloid/original version sounds like.
Then there are is the animation meme of Snobbism, I don't think people cared to check out the Vocaloid version of it. Just generalizing though I know there are probably people who looked up the Rin Len version of the song but the chances are most likely super low.
True
I'm someone who usually prefers the original song over covers whether it's covered by another vocal synth or human (I rarely listen to human singing though, I'm not into it)
I rarely hear a cover that I like over the original, I don't know but sometimes it feels like there's something missing, or the voicebank used doesn't fit with the song for me because I connect the original with its vocals
(I'm like a day late but whatever)
1. Yup, Miku isn't overrated. It's more like she's over-commercialized rather than overrated, which is defined by something/someone being made out to be better than they actually are. Whereas, Miku has a solid voicebank and an iconic design, and even though she's super popular, I'm pretty sure the majority of Vocaloid fans wouldn't go around saying things like "MiKu is ThE BEst VoCALoiD ObJECTiveLY speAKinG aNd EVeryOnE eLSe SUX!!1!!!" hence, not overrated. Just absurdly popular (still love her though).
2. Ehh...I can see why people would find this ship disturbing, but I personally don't have any issues with it. Whether I ship it or not usually depends on the context (i.e. songs, AUs, headcannons...etc. For example, I'm obviously not going to ship them as their Daughter/Servant of Evil characters (Riliane and Allen) who are canon twins, but in Paper Plane I was a sobbing mess and I just wanted them to be together, y'know? Minus the Nazis and terminal illness). But all context aside, they are mirror images. Nothing more, nothing less. Whether they have a romantic or sibling-like relationship, it doesn't bother me either way.
3. Yeah, this goes without saying. I only joined the Vocaloid fandom several months short of a year ago, and even then I immediately noticed how...unlively this fandom was. Though I still managed to get sucked into it somehow, and b o o m. Here I am.
4/5. I don't have any strong opinions on these rip.
(It's not like I'll ever even go to a live concert anyway considering that they don't happen in my country and I'm too broke to go abroad ;-;)
6. Never played Project Diva X, but yikes, that sounds bad.
7. I kinda disagree with this but I feel like explaining why would just be parroting what everyone else has already said about the matter, so uhhhhh......I like turtles.
I also don't think there are too many Vocaloids?? Just look at how many UTAUs there are?? I personally like to keep track of all the Vocaloids and I adore them all.
I also don't think it's fair to complain about all the similar voice types. If Vocaloid™ was one big company that made all of the Vocaloids, it'd be fair to criticize them for constantly sending out slightly altered copies of the same thing, but all of the Vocaloids are owned by different companies, thus, that criticism doesn't really work. You can't really expect companies to not produce a young female voicebank when those are the ones that sell best, I guess is what I'm trying to say?
But in my humble opinion, despite similarities, no two Vocaloids are exact copies of each other. There are differences in their voices, and they've all got a unique charm to them. I think there are a lot of Vocaloids that deserve to be appreciated more. In an idealistic world, they would be.
8. Selfcest in general just isn't my thing. I can see the appeal, particularly when it comes to shipping different versions/personalities/modules of the same person (it's cute somehow), but even then, that's a big s o m e w h a t cute. I guess I'd just rather ship people with other people?? It just makes more sense I guess?? Idk what I'm talking about anymore, ignore me.
9. It definitely annoys me when an english cover gets more attention than the original song. However, I don't hate them, and there are a few english covers that I really really like. The english lyrics can also be kinda fun to sing.
Um, so that's pretty much it. Thanks for reading this far, if you did.
Oh, and #makevocaloidgreatagain
Wow thank you for taking you time to comment this!!
I agree with you for 2
Even though I am a hardcore rinlen shipper, I at least like them to have a close sibling relationship if in the song or something they are twins. I headcannon them as dopplegangers, that way they dont have to be realted.
Also there were two kids at my school with the same last name that liked eachother in fifth grade so like-
Well one liked the other-
Also the designs are similar but- Technically they all have similar faces? Its the Blonde hair and blue eyes isnt it?
Thank... you? Thank you.
Why did I spend my time reading all that?
Y E S for point two. I ship Rin x Len, but only in the songs where they aren't related, and are potrayed as lovers (e.g Feathers across the Seasons and The 13th Apocolypse). I entirely agree that shipping relies heavily on context; I'm not going to ship them in Evillious Chronicles, as they are brother and sister in that instance, but I will ship them in Maid Factor, because they both love each other and are adorable!
1. Agree Miku is god
2. I used to ship RinLen but I don't anymore
3. We are dying and it scares the shit out of me
4. It's true and you should say it
5. I don't have an opinion
6. Don't have X can't say anything bout it, but I am probably gonna buy it simply because I personally like a lot of the songs on it.
7. I follow the Chinese ones because they're very good.
8. Wrong. Lencest is god. Although I'm very for any selfcest when possible and I pretty much ship every other selfcest too.
9. Most of them are bad I agree. The fact that Juby can post anything and get ridiculous views pisses me off, especially when her voice literally fucking ruins a song like with Jitter Doll. She has ONE tone.
Oktavia and Lollia can really elevate some song tho. Not that the originals aren't awesome, but they make good covers.
I recommend buying the FT instead, X really isn't worth it kddk
@anon She doesn't even try with some songs. For example Sweet Magic.
@anon And I actually translated some of her videos.
@anon Like, I translated her Tokyo Teddy bear cover to Swedish.
0:43 Rin and Len are my favorite vocoloids and I didn’t know people shipped them I just thought their voices and design were good and Len is funny
Same
They have so many incest songs like "suki kirai" How you didn't know?
@@evrenbasak6381 it’s not incest. Please don’t say that. They’re not canonically siblings. In Suki Kirai, and HUNDREDS of other songs, they are NOT siblings. PLEASE do not call it incest.
@☆Hanbistarr☆ ive lost interest in arguing about this now, its a year later JEDKH id say the last name just indicates that theyre a pair. it rlly isnt that big of a deal, view em as whatever u want. its only wierd if ppl deliberately ship them AS siblings
@☆Hanbistarr☆ nah ur alg, I used to be rlly into trying to inform people ab this LOL. Voca is literally ab ur own interpretation so anything is on the table for all characters unless you actually make it problematic !!
I don’t ship Len x rin-
Me: *finally someone agrees*
I also agree on that one!
Same. I mean, yeah, their creator said that they're not actually siblings, but after Story of Evil I just can't see them as a couple.
@@Sheamuscz It not even the "Story of Evil". The entire Evillious Chronicles Rin and Len are shown as twins. Behemo and Leiva (Barisol's child), Hänsel and Gretel (Tale of abandonment), Allen and Rilliane (Story of Evil), Arte and Pollo (Evil Food Eater Conchita). The entire plot line is about Len's soul trying to find Rin again in a way.
But then again, excluding that story which uses their own 'souls' they are normally seen as actors where you can ship the characters (eg man and crane in FAtS, or the two school children in SK) but not themselves. So shipping THEM is wrong but yeah.
@@dr-_-trash7392 Yeah. You're right
I need more Vocaloid fans as friends..... right now I have: zero.
You're not alone, been in this vocaloid world alone all these years lol
@@jamthistoast2330 Well, I guess we could change that eventually :D
Did someone call me?
@@chikon.6295 idk, maybe ?
zero escape?
I agree with most of your opinions. Didn't know those were so unpopular.
*Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?*
I agree that they should stop making new vocaloids
But you gotta admit Fukase is pretty underrated and his voice is pretty
yeah
Hold up! I thought Rin and Len were siblings!?!
They were planned to be twins, but they changed it so that fans could decide what kind of relationship they have
they're mirror imagines
Kagami means mirror in japanese, they were supposed to be reflections of each other
@@-x_moon_x- THATS SO CUTE AND WHOLESOME WTF
There either:
Siblings
Lovers
Or siblings and lovers.
With the Miku being overrated one, I understand that she's supposed to be a 'breakthrough' for Vocaloid, but the thing that bothers me the most is that Crypton doesn't advertise Rin, Len and Luka as much. Breakthrough or not, Rin, Len and Luka are still creations of Crypton, and deserve as much effort for merchandise, new performances and animations as Miku does. I just don't see why they created them and basically threw them to the side.
Edit: Right. People are now replying about why I didn't specify Kaito and Meiko, so I'm going to put it here. Yes, of course they deserve more love. But I understand why they are treated the way they are. Kaito and Meiko AREN'T OWNED BY CRYPTON, so I can some reasoning behind their treatment.
MY point with how Luka, Len and Rin should be getting more advertisement is that they ARE owned by Crypton, same as Miku, so there is NO reason why they should be treated less.
So, Yes, Kaito and Meiko do need more appreciation, BUT I didn't mention them because I see the reasoning behind not giving them as much.
Luka, Rin and Len - owned by Crypton, so there is no reason behind them not getting the same treatment as Miku.
Kaito and Meiko - not owned by Crypton, so there is suitable reasoning behind why they are treated the way they are.
Yeah I agree with that :^/
Don't forget Meiko and Kaito!! I agree with this so much though ;-;
@@keira6444 While I do believe they deserve more, I understand why they are treated less, because they aren't technically owned by Crypton, just adopted. So I see the reasoning behind Meiko and Kaito, but definitely not behind Luka, Rin and Len. They all need more love!
What about Kaito?
Rin, Len And Luka get more attention than Kaito for sure
@@bunnyravve Read my previous reply.
I have a hard time keeping track of the new vocaloids that come out too, except occasionally there are a few good ones, like recently the hype over Meika Mikoto and Hime.
Literally the only way I can see Len and Rin is as siblings lol. I dont trust people who ship them
same
Same
-there's a difference bw "overrated" and "good". miku is good, therefore she is popular. her design and voice are definitely unique and lovely. she's the face of the industry, but that doesn't have to be a bad thing. most producers use her voice, and they use her voice very well. that speaks for itself.
-personally i find rin x len shippable if the song portrays it that way. like in shikiori no hane. it's more like i ship their voices than their characters, bc their voices mix so well but their characters, without the portrayal of a song to portray them any differently, just seem like siblings by default.
-vocaloid is definitely past its golden days. i remember when hazuki no yume's channel got terminated, english subs that were once pumped out religiously became harder to come by. but for japanese producers themselves, there are a lot of relatively new producers who make great songs and deserve more attention from fans worldwide. moreover, producers like pinocchio-p, misumi, *luna, etc release a lot of new songs pretty often, and those are the songs i think of when i think about more recent vocaloid hits. vocaloid is dying, but not dead, and there'll always be ppl who're keeping it alive.
-yeaaaaahhh the newer models/MMD/Proj Diva stuff doesn't seeeem gooood
-i think only una and maybe some others were rlly big hits among newer 'loids. i agree, they just just update the old ones. male VBs especially imo. i want to see chinese 'loids get more variety, tho. newer 'loids are fine by me as long as they bring something unique to the table.
-when was lencest NOT weird, my guy
-i personally am a fan of english (and other languages) translyricists and cover artists bc i see the creation of derivative works as an art form in and of itself. it's rlly cool to see ppl get creative with how they interpret songs and create "singable" words from the translations. it requires skills different from creating a song or translating a song, so i see it with as much respect as i would see either of the other two. english covers take popularity from the songs they're based off of bc the listeners don't take the time to seek out the original song. that's why i appreciate cover artists who link the producer + other original credits in their desc. and talk about why they like the song they're singing about.
Yeah well when she's ass licked so much that the latest game only gave your waifu one solo song and Meiko and Kaito none, you start to jump on the overrated/bias bandwagon.
Umm.. Rin and Len are the same person.. IDK how I feel about your opinion. Eh.
I agree with the majority of these opinions!
I'm always coming back to old vocaloid songs and mmd videos
Btw, I'm interested in your channel's content👀
This was only posted 2 days ago? This is GOLD.
0:40 totally agree. I know they are "reflexes" and their relationship can be interpreted however you want, but just look at them, they are fucking the same and the last name is the same, so I really don't understand why people pair them up. Well, that's my opinion.
gold opinion
@@mono_poisoner hehe, thank you ^^
Legit nothing is appealing, why would you ship the same person together anyways? Mirror images/genderbends is just as weird as the sibling thing, cuz in one pov youre shipping siblings, and the other is the same exact person.
@@ahshitherewegoagain7461 ikr it's kinda weird and that's why I don't really listen to songs where they're portrayed as lovers (some are actually really good but it feels wrong)
I blame KPOP for the loss in popularity
Same
Same. I got into kpop through vocaloids but I came back. #makevocaloidgreatagain
Meh, I believe things come and go. So hard to except. But I listen to both. I still like my vocaloids better. 😍
I love K-Pop more than Vocaloid tbh
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2:49
YES! THANK YOU! FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT! I hate how when I look up a Vocaliod song that I haven’t listened to in a while, and the English covers have more views than the original, or worse, the original has been removed! I depise English covers with a burning passion. They’re not even that good and they draw attention away from the original.
especially considering certain english covers from a certain youtaite is what took out one of the best, active translators in the fandom (hazuki no yume)
Yes, same here.
I really don't get it actually...?
I think english covers are pretty cool since they help sharpen the artist's lyric skills aswell as spread vocaloid songs to a wider audience. Although this may be speaking in bias as I wouldn't have gotten into Vocaloid without English covers (I was very young when I found Vocaloid and didn't have a strong vocabulary at the time.)
some english covers are amazing. youtbers such as Lizzy, JubyPhonic, Ashe, and Lollia are great singers for english covers. while i will also admit where i've heard others try it and its sounded like nails down a chalk board.
DragonCat It kinda depends on the voice and if their voice suits the song they’re singing but most of the time I think the English versions are shit like Judy phonic. I’ve only heard a few of her covers but out of the ones I heard her voice does not at all suit the songs and I think her voice is rather annoying.
I agree with all your opinions and also...
0:59 ...I want to cry...😞😞😞
I still love vocaloid a lot and I miss the old days when vocaloid was such a big thing...
the rin x len thing is so true. like, i could never ship that. in my eyes they've always appeared more as siblings to me than mirror images and the idea just makes me uncomfortable
All of the guys in my school are getting into vocaloid and it's weird
Edit: I have a few friends from japan and they said vocaloid isnt dying over there as far as they know, for us it's probably because of kpop (sadly) and the fact that she's in a country most of us haven't been to and in a language we dont understand, they make music mainly for japan, not us
#makevocaloidgreatagain
Vocaloids that need new voicebanks or updates rigjgigg
-Piko
-Gakupo
-Maybe Fukase
-Mayu
-(insert some v3 vocaloids here)
And I completely agree the new modules for the concerts look disgusting
tbh 2012-2016 (maybe 2017) were defenitely the most amazing vocaloid years
Producers like Maretu, Giga, Wowaka, Michie M, and plenty others were stunning
I hardly listen to vocaloid anymore, but i did recently and it was that one luka and miku song by Mitchie M, I was shocked IDK God i WISH VOCALOID WOULD COME BACK AND BE AS GOOD AS IT USED TO BE ;((((
((and theres a shit ton of english vocaloids like yea thats cool but maybe new korean ones, chinese, even japanese, but jefiogsb
I would like to see another version of Oliver personally
@@emmacoffin2281 that would be epic woah
"I'm still waiting for that Gakupo English"
You are not the only one.
as a new fan I think vocaloid is dying bc it's a little overwhelming with so much existing content
same
I mean it may have a lot but just pick up a few Vocaloids and stick with that, I mostly like Gakupo, Kaito, Rin and Len stuff and a few other vocaloids too
I showed my friend vocaloid music and she said "this is so childish" and called me a big weeb, I'm pretty sure this happens to 99% of us lmao
#makevocaloidgreatagain
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*It's hard to find friends who support you unconditionally*
My favorite vocaloids (updated):
1. Fukase
2. Iroha
3. Stardust
4. Gumi
5. Piko
6. Rin and Len
7. Kiyoteru
Omg Fuka is my favorite as well
I SOOOO AGREE
I rarely see people who stan Fuckass as much as I do
You bring me hope
2:29 that’s true. Fukase is a newer vocaloid but he’s really popular
nice pfp and username
THIS VIDEO SUMMED UP LITERALLY EVERYTHING I THINK ABT VOCALOID WHAT I LOVE YOUR CHANNEL SM
So I found this on my recommended and I want to say something about vocaloid is dying. I *kinda* agree with it. Let me explain (sorry for bad english)
So as someone who joined this fandom in the end of 2016, I was confused at how easier it was to find 2008-2014 songs on the top vocaloid song list compared to 2015 or 2016 songs. It's also hard to find english subtitles of newer songs since some active translation youtube channel have gone. This shows newer songs have less and less attention compared to the older ones (at least in the english-speaking side of the fandom). That's very unfortunate since songs are very important in this fandom
Even so, I found few people on instagram who joined the fandom in 2017 / 2018. Unpopular opinion but I think vocaloid is actually still growing despite older fans say it's dying. It may not be much, but it's still there. Also I believe Miku is still very popular at Japan. She had new merchandises, new collaborations with franchises and mobile games. She even had a collaboration with an amusement park too! I personally think as long as Miku is still popular, vocaloid still lives. She's the reason why vocaloid is popular, and she's the reason why it stays popular too
I agree with all of them (except the 6 because I never played project diva x) and especially the first and the second one. I’ve seen lots of people that dislike Miku just because she’s « overrated » and that’s pretty annoying. To be honest, I like her voice and I think she deserves all the popularity she gets. And I don’t understand why people ship Rin x Len. For me it’s gross because I see them as twins. I simply can’t see them as lovers.
By the way, I really love your videos, they’re always entertaining to watch!
I mean let's be honest, no one cares about new vocaloids when they all look like any other anime character or a rip off of another pre-existing vocaloid. just focus on the ones that already exist and are recognizable and iconic.
People say that but Rin and Len were rip-offs of Anon and Kanon. And all they got popular with were Banana and Road Roller jokes.
@@dr-_-trash7392 I've never heard of those before- just looked them up and they really do look similar. Wow I had no idea
Weren't Anon and Kanon released like 7 years after Rin and Len though?
Rin and Len were released in 2007, but Anon and Kanon were released 2014.
Hey ,about the last one , people mostly want to listen to songs that they can understand... it's just because English is a popular language. I personally looove Japanese Japanese songs, than if I want to understand'em I can just read subtitles hehe☆
i was expecting to be angry but i actually agree with all of this completely
I agree on the new vocaloid thing. Except MEIKA Hime and MEIKA Mikoto. They're precious babs.
Honestly...
1. Yeah, I love Miku and when people say she's overrated, it honestly just annoys me.
2. It's kinda understandable but I could never ship it myself.
3. I agree but I hate the thought of it.
4. I've not really seen any of it so I'm not sure, but I've never been a fan of MMD's so...
5. I've only ever been to one concert, a recent one, so I don't really know what to say about that.
6. PDX was the first PD game I ever got and I actually like some of the songs and the module collecting was OK for like a month of playing but after some time, I just bought them all. (The story was unneeded though)
7. I just can't keep track.
8. Yeah I agree, I find that stuff odd.
9. I honestly kinda agree, I never have been overly hyped for anyone who does covers apart from Oktavia, but that's because I love her voice and not because she does Vocaloid covers, like if she made original songs, I would still love her. I never have gotten the hype for others though.
i agree with literally every opinion, half of them i was like “THANK YOU OH MY GOD” anyway, these should definitely b more popular lol
i agree with you in everything, stop getting inside my brain, tf that ain't nice
0:52 True tho! I always saw Len and Rin as brother and sister
Hey, I am a new vocaloid listener and I wanted to share my opinion for one of your opinions. So you were wondering why the English covers get more views, I watch them sometimes because I like knowing what they are saying.
Okay great video!
I'm not knew but I feel the same.
"English subs" exists
@@shootingstar9538 Yeah, but sometimes when you're laying down you like to hear the words and not have too constantly look at the screen.
Sometimes English covers ruin the charm of the original song
@@moonsaghost Or... Sometimes English covers put a whole new charm to the song.
i watched this to get my blood pressure pumping but ended up agreeing with everything you said ...
fukase is the only good new one
uwu hot boyo
also i agree with everything in here
thank you for reminding me that vocaloids exist again
im back in the fandom again (kinda)
About the last one, it’s not only the English covers. I’m Japanese, I can read and understand Japanese writings and there are always these comments on japanese covers too about how they wish the original Vocaloid songs would get more views despite the cover being good.
I think new vocaloids are fine, it’s just that they usually aren’t original which is why they flop. There are so many vocaloids out there that it’s hard to make original ones. I think fukase did well was because his character design was like no other vocaloid and his voice was fairly original. (Developers, take note!)
But yeah, since I started listening to vocaloid about 3 or 4 years ago it has kinda died out a bit :( it makes me really happy to see youtubers like you still making videos to keep the fan base alive!
I honestly agree with all of these. I actually love miku so much. even though she is VERY popular I just can't see her as overrated like a lot of the fandom sees. also STOP MAKING NEW VOCALOIDS. I agree with SO much. The only new ones I love are the meika twins and FUKASE.
same. I love Fukase and the Meika twins
can relate to no. 2
It feels weird, and although they said that people could see them as whatever (Twins, couple, etc) it’s just hard to see them together in a relationship ;-;
I see you got kokoro in your profile picture :)
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Just remember to respect people who ship them! :)
@@Moniie of course ^^
GUMI is the best vocaloid
Don’t @ me plz
Tora ! she’s not a vocaloid
@@luka7263 wait,I thought she's a vocaloid?
M C well, she’s a Megpoid, but I guess she’s still technically a vocaloid. I don’t really see her as one though.
@@luka7263 Well...if you didn't see her as one then let's end this talk(not that I disagree with with you,I don't wanna continue this talk😂)
M C ..ok?
Most of these I agree with, and I hate that latest releases of Vocaloids aren’t doing so well. Like the default vocals and Sora for V5 had a bit of hype to them but it really petered out fast imo. And the V5 updates/ports for VY1/2, and Cyber songman/Diva haven’t really been advertised by Yamaha much, so people don’t seem to care I guess. Luckily, I’ve heard that Meiko, Luka, Yanhe, and Ling have been confirmed for updates, but I can’t say for sure if it’s true or not. Let’s just hope that Vocaloid gains back some of its popularity in the future with updated vbs and possibly new vb releases that actually do well
I pretty much agree with all of your opinions especially the English cover one. Once I tried searching up Aishite Aishite Aishite and all of the first results were English covers… :(
I agree with all of these and now I feel like explaining why (cuz I have nothing else to do lol)
1 (Miku isn’t overrated)
Ok, ok...I saw this coming when I clicked on the video but your not wrong. Honestly I love Miku she has a very good voice bank and I can see why many people use her. Also I can see why she became so popular after voice banks that seemed rather plain (I’m sorry for you guys who love LEON, LOLA, MIRIAM and all the other vocaloids who came out before Miku) then suddenly we are given a 16 year old anime looking girl with a cute design and voicebank! She started a trend with voice banks having characters.
2 (I don’t understand why people ship Rin x Len)
Honestly I don’t either. When I got into Vocaloid my first song I heard was Servant of Evil. After listening to it I looked up more videos on Rin and Len and my mind was like “Oh yeah they are definitely twins or at the very least copies of each other!” Then I saw Rin x Len and I actually looked up more “important information” to try to understand why people shipped them. They looked similar, they have the same last name, they are the same age. To this day I still can’t figure out why people ship them.
3 (Vocaloid is loosing popularity)
I don’t think I have to go into depth why I feel this way because it’s not a opinion it’s a fact. I miss the old days to but we just have to keep going and hope for the best. At least there are still new people getting introduced now a days and some really great producers that are growing it’s just a fact though that it won’t ever be the same like it used to.
4 (2019 MMD is horrible)
Maybe I’m being bias on this but when has it not been? Ok I’m sorry there are actually some really great people making great quality MMD videos BUT most of the time people use the same modules to the same song and then there are things like all the effects they add, the camera angles ECT...
5 (The old concert Modules were better)
Ok I agree but I’m also like hmmmm....Last year I went to MIKU EXPO in LA and I had a great time (considering that it was my first Miku Concert) But after a while when I saw clips of the concert on TH-cam I remembered how the modules were very inconsistent. For some songs they had modules that look like they came from Project Diva Future Tone, then modules that were made poorly in MMD....and I like the old modules but I’m just used to seeing modules that were from the game (sorry if that bugs you)
6 (Project Diva X was a waste of money)
hnNnnNNnN oH BOi I AgReE sTrOngLY wIth ThIs oNe! When I got a PS4 for Christmas this was the first game I played and I was excited because the only other Miku game I had at the time was Project Mirai DX. So I loaded the game and I played for a while and after a while I got bored. The dialogue was boring the whole story was basic...if you even want to call if a story...but in my opinion I liked SOME of the songs they chose (Tale of Deep Sea Lily, The Humous Dreams of Mrs. Pumpkin, Slow Motion, Streaming Heart, Raspberry Monster, Love Trial, and the Lost one’s weeping) also notice how there is only one Rin song on the list of songs that were my favorite to play....that’s because Miku got the majority of the songs in the set list and the other vocaloids only got ONE! ACKKK this made me so mad beyond belief and while we did have that blessed Giga P Mix that still did not make up for the things that were just listed. I could go on about how much I hate this game but I’ll spare you by just saying after I got Project Diva Future Tone DX I never touched Project Diva X again.
7 (PLEASE STOP MAKING NEW VOCALOIDS)
I agree but then again I haven’t been in the Vocaloid fandom for that long (I’ve been here for 2-3 years I got into the fandom literally on New Years Eve...) and I do have personal favorite vocaloids but I know a lot of them. But I stopped caring for a lot of vocaloids after finding out about VFlower (I love Flower and she is amazing 👌) And I agree most new vocaloids (other than Fukase) have failed poorly and then get thanos snapped out of everyone’s memories.
8 (Lencest is weird)
*looks up what lencest is*
*results come up*
Me- hOLY FU-
9 (I don’t get the hype of covers in English)
Honestly I don’t even know...I usually stick to the original Vocaloid songs as they are (sometimes it’s the same song but using a different Vocaloid) But also there are covers English covers of songs I like (My Favorite English Cover of a Vocaloid song is probably Hikari Yo ,originally produced by Kikou, LittleJayneyCake’s cover of the song is so powerful and you can feel the emotion) but still even though I like some covers that doesn’t mean I get all hyped up when I hear them.
So if you read though all of that congrats you win nothing (except knowing how I feel about these certain things)
Oh wow thank you for taking your time to write this!! Also thanos snap them out of existence lmaoo
Wait, I actually fully agree with these opinions, but I never knew how to express them in fear of getting hated on. I'm glad to hear that someone else shares these opinions with me.
(I also don't find RinXLen/Lencest appealing. It's like watching two siblings getting it on.)
Yea but remember, the people who ship them DON’T view them as siblings! Please respect people’s ships!!
Moniie_
Oh, yes, I'm aware of that. Rin and Len can be whatever anyone wants, so I fully respect people who ship them. I know they aren't officially siblings and all that jazz.
1. Yeah Miku is insanely popular but I love her. I feel like the only time she “hogs the spotlight” is in the video games because the other vocaloids don’t get as many songs as her.
2. Idk I think it’s a cute ship 🤷🏼♀️
3. It is unfortunately dying out kinda like the Creepypasta and Sonic fandoms
4. I don’t really watch that many mmd videos but I do agree that the older models were better. They were much cuter.
5. Idk I don’t have enough time to watch all the concerts so it’s all Greek to me 😅
6. Yes! Thank you! I mean I honestly did like some of the songs but come on, only 30?! Not to mention a majority of those songs belonged solely to Miku while everyone else got like one song. Big missed opportunity there.
7. I kinda like some of the new vocaloids but I wish they gave more attention to the older ones.
8. Uuummmm....yeah selfcest is weird :/
9. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! Seriously why tf does Jubyphonic or whatever her name is get so much attention her voice is annoying as hell!!! She totally ruined lost one’s weeping for me. If anything I’d prefer more male English covers because those are so rare and overlooked.
Anyways that’s just how I feel 😊 no hate
Meh, I eventually got to like Juby's voice, but it annoyed me at first too. Also, I liked that concert model.
She also hogs the spotlight in the concerts, to a surprising extent. Kaito and Meiko only get one song! There was even a concert where they decided hey, let's put two more characters in those two characters only songs! Kaito gets even less love than Meiko(which is disappointing, he's one of my favourites), as in Doctor=Funk Beat Meiko got to be part of the two that shared with him and Kaito got no more time other than his song.
Also for english covers I generally don't really like them, but I love oktavia and I like her cover of the tailor of enbizaka more than the original. I also love the bossa nova version of alien alien.
@Astral Gacha Prince To each his own I guess.
Pantheress13 Aka Eve you don’t have to be disrespectful just because you personally don’t like Juby’s voice