I'm very much enjoying my lower-BOA boots from last season and am now a convert. It has generally made putting on, adjusting, occasional loosening and retightening for the chairlift ride, and removing the boot quicker and easier. However, I'm curious how they can get enough tension for the upper boot out of BOA without having to spin the thing like 250 times. My upper buckles are very tight, perhaps 5x tighter (or more) than my lower buckles (on previous boots).
The thing I miss about snowboard BOA systems is how effortless it was to adjust the fit. After a run, if the boot felt a little loose, you could quickly and ever so effortlessly tighten it just a bit more. It didn't require a lot of force, and in my case I literally need to carry a tool for leverage just to tighten my boot enough. BOAs was such a convenient feature.
Cant stop progress. Besides, I keep a set of shells through at least 2 liners over 5 years. By the time I need a new boot they will have this all figured out
I don't get this wrap vs. press argument. Buckles only apply what might be considered a "pressing force" for a moment, when the lever is perpendicular to the boot shell. Once the lever is closed, the buckle is pulling across the boot shell the same as a BOA cable. The vectors are the same.
I love my Boa on my snowboard boots. In fact I am eying up a 3 Boa pair next, but they seem like a poor match for a hard boot. I would much rather set and forget a buckle on a hard boot and get a consistent tightness.
I always find myself readjusting my buckles throughout the day because of how plastic reacts to temperature, how I want to ski… and doing it with micro-adjustment is a pain. BOA is more straightforward. I don't have any concern with BOA on the upper because I already ski with one buckle boots such as Salomon MTN, and it works. So unless you are racing, and want to micro-adjust each zone individually, BOA seems to make sense for the vast majority of casual skiers.
Love my S pros. I would not want Boa on the top buckles though. Between the power strap and those 2 buckles there is no one tension to rule them all barring some clever engineering that I cannot even begin to conceptualize. Maybe for race boots where it’s just fully cranked for 2 minutes before completely unbuckling.
Can you crank down the tightness of a boa the same as buckle? I've seen some leavers helping people flip their buckles that's a lot of force is BOA going to be able to come close to that? Would it need to?
@@danielz7789 yes, I’d argue you can make it even tighter. The nice thing is some of the small touches in the new cuffs allow for a lot better feel on your shin.
I’m in the market for a new boot. But should I wait until the double boa comes out instead? My current’s boots are fine for now. I’m someone who loves new tech.
I'm in your spot. I'm waiting for double boa and on a wide enough last for me. Tecnica Mach1 or K2 BFC probably. By then there'll be enough beta testers to figure out any additional issues if applicable.
The ski industry needs pivot and focus on developing boa goggle straps. My head would benefit from being wrapped like a burrito. 🌯 I have heard from designers on TGR that the real performance of boas will be seen in the upper cuff. There’s a thread where Tom from K2 addresses the concerns you have with loss of individual adjustment that buckles provide. I can find it for you if you want to take a look.
I saw a full boa dalbelo in person today. Looked ridiculous. That being said, also did my fitting in my xtd boa 130 and I love it. Top boa seems gimmicky
@@brookscurranthere lower boa for the boots I tried and ultimately bought, I was able to get more even tighter without the pain of the buckles squeezing in one point. But I have a well fitting boot.
i think that BOA lower was to test the durability and introduce the radical change to the people. I think BOA upper is the next logical step. Might take a rendition or two to really get it dialed (i am sure i can't be the first to make that pun). This makes it awkward cause my boots are pretty packed out and I was intended to go gang busters next season on a new kit but maybe ill keep waiting if I don't like what I see. If certain boots have ratchet straps as a binding, that is basically a middle ground of a cable and buckle. A boa cable is not far fetched, just has to go through an iteration or two
BOAs have failed on me in three different ways *on the mountain*: 1) The wires have been accidentally cut by my own equipment - boots useless 2) Ice has formed inside the BOA...boots unsafe to use 3) The BOA ratchet has completely popped out and separated from the housing......deal breaker. I'm sorry, it is simply not a reliable system at all.
More indications of badly fitting boots. It's a reserection of the rear entry boot philosophy: If you make it more comfortable people will think it's better regardless. That's where this is heading...how long was the rear entry thing around, how many are made now.
Shops are selling it because that's the majority of what they were sold by the companies. It's all about the money and what the company pushes. BOA horrible.
full boa is too much, definitely for adult boots. for kids boots it might be perfect as then kids can put them on themselves way easier. just worried that when you hit the knobs with say like a ski that they break too easily. repairs are gonna cost way too much on these compared to normal buckles. must say boa boots feel nicer with some padded insoles
Worth noting, the new K2 double boa is really solid and has some neat new features we’ll talk about later.
Tried it on tonight, very nice!
i have the rc4 120 MV fischer boots with boa and i LOVE them, mainly the way it wraps your foot instead of buckles pressing down
agreed - really like that boot
How about a BOA binding? Just crank that sucker down and send it!
@@noahlopez4819 please god no
I've been expecting a snowboard binding with boa to be released.
woww finally skiing can catch up to snowboard boot tech
I'm very much enjoying my lower-BOA boots from last season and am now a convert. It has generally made putting on, adjusting, occasional loosening and retightening for the chairlift ride, and removing the boot quicker and easier. However, I'm curious how they can get enough tension for the upper boot out of BOA without having to spin the thing like 250 times. My upper buckles are very tight, perhaps 5x tighter (or more) than my lower buckles (on previous boots).
The thing I miss about snowboard BOA systems is how effortless it was to adjust the fit. After a run, if the boot felt a little loose, you could quickly and ever so effortlessly tighten it just a bit more. It didn't require a lot of force, and in my case I literally need to carry a tool for leverage just to tighten my boot enough. BOAs was such a convenient feature.
Cant stop progress. Besides, I keep a set of shells through at least 2 liners over 5 years. By the time I need a new boot they will have this all figured out
I’m stoked. I only tour though.
I don't get this wrap vs. press argument. Buckles only apply what might be considered a "pressing force" for a moment, when the lever is perpendicular to the boot shell. Once the lever is closed, the buckle is pulling across the boot shell the same as a BOA cable. The vectors are the same.
I love my Boa on my snowboard boots. In fact I am eying up a 3 Boa pair next, but they seem like a poor match for a hard boot.
I would much rather set and forget a buckle on a hard boot and get a consistent tightness.
I always find myself readjusting my buckles throughout the day because of how plastic reacts to temperature, how I want to ski… and doing it with micro-adjustment is a pain. BOA is more straightforward. I don't have any concern with BOA on the upper because I already ski with one buckle boots such as Salomon MTN, and it works. So unless you are racing, and want to micro-adjust each zone individually, BOA seems to make sense for the vast majority of casual skiers.
agree
Boa chin straps are on their way for sure
Love my S pros. I would not want Boa on the top buckles though. Between the power strap and those 2 buckles there is no one tension to rule them all barring some clever engineering that I cannot even begin to conceptualize. Maybe for race boots where it’s just fully cranked for 2 minutes before completely unbuckling.
@@danielcrescenzo354 there is a cool little trick they designed
Can you crank down the tightness of a boa the same as buckle? I've seen some leavers helping people flip their buckles that's a lot of force is BOA going to be able to come close to that? Would it need to?
@@danielz7789 yes, I’d argue you can make it even tighter. The nice thing is some of the small touches in the new cuffs allow for a lot better feel on your shin.
boa can’t hold my foot. I need that sweet sweet clamping action.
I’m in the market for a new boot. But should I wait until the double boa comes out instead? My current’s boots are fine for now. I’m someone who loves new tech.
I'm in your spot. I'm waiting for double boa and on a wide enough last for me. Tecnica Mach1 or K2 BFC probably. By then there'll be enough beta testers to figure out any additional issues if applicable.
Leki progressive tune trigger s gloves. Tiny boa on the back of the hand and a velcro wrist flap
@@DerekRNeumann true
The ski industry needs pivot and focus on developing boa goggle straps. My head would benefit from being wrapped like a burrito. 🌯
I have heard from designers on TGR that the real performance of boas will be seen in the upper cuff. There’s a thread where Tom from K2 addresses the concerns you have with loss of individual adjustment that buckles provide. I can find it for you if you want to take a look.
@@Hot.Tamale714 yeah, seems like everyone is really amped on performance.
I saw a full boa dalbelo in person today. Looked ridiculous. That being said, also did my fitting in my xtd boa 130 and I love it. Top boa seems gimmicky
@@brookscurranthere lower boa for the boots I tried and ultimately bought, I was able to get more even tighter without the pain of the buckles squeezing in one point. But I have a well fitting boot.
i think that BOA lower was to test the durability and introduce the radical change to the people. I think BOA upper is the next logical step. Might take a rendition or two to really get it dialed (i am sure i can't be the first to make that pun).
This makes it awkward cause my boots are pretty packed out and I was intended to go gang busters next season on a new kit but maybe ill keep waiting if I don't like what I see.
If certain boots have ratchet straps as a binding, that is basically a middle ground of a cable and buckle. A boa cable is not far fetched, just has to go through an iteration or two
BOAs have failed on me in three different ways *on the mountain*: 1) The wires have been accidentally cut by my own equipment - boots useless 2) Ice has formed inside the BOA...boots unsafe to use 3) The BOA ratchet has completely popped out and separated from the housing......deal breaker. I'm sorry, it is simply not a reliable system at all.
More indications of badly fitting boots. It's a reserection of the rear entry boot philosophy: If you make it more comfortable people will think it's better regardless. That's where this is heading...how long was the rear entry thing around, how many are made now.
If ONE boa is selling well then THREE boas will sell even better
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Shops are selling it because that's the majority of what they were sold by the companies. It's all about the money and what the company pushes. BOA horrible.
Burrito vs quesadilla
full boa is too much, definitely for adult boots. for kids boots it might be perfect as then kids can put them on themselves way easier. just worried that when you hit the knobs with say like a ski that they break too easily. repairs are gonna cost way too much on these compared to normal buckles. must say boa boots feel nicer with some padded insoles
@ProntoFast well, repair wise, shops that carry the product will provide warranty for free and they all have kits in stock.
They should have kits in stock*
Anyone who said Boa wouldn't catch or are fkn stupid. They're the same people that said the Internet was a fad..
double boa looks like shit though