Dr. Goodacre will be giving a lecture along with nine other scholars at a 2-day online conference called: "New Insights into the New Testament." Dr. Bart Ehrman will be moderating. Sign up here!: religionforbreakfast--ehrman.thrivecart.com/nint2023/
44:31 "I've really enjoyed the chat." I've REALLY enjoyed it. What a great video and what a great guest, so knowledgeable of the NT depths and mysteries and such an engaging speaker. Thanks to both of you.
OMG YEEEESSSSESS!!!!!!! Goodacre IS the man. Dale Allison said once that he's "worried" that such smart folks like Goodacre could disagree on the existence of the Quelle source. This guy is not to underestimate, I think he should be regarded in the same status as Géza Vermes or Larry Hurtado.
What a likable and approachable scholar! I thoroughly enjoyed this interview, and am going to get one of his books now. Thanks for this great conversation.
Try this experiment with your students, say a class of some 15: give an a fairly complex, but very important 20 minute lecture. Then, a month later have each prepare a summary of it. You will undoubtedly find similarities (as each student recalls key points in the same way), differences (as each student interprets key points in their own understanding of them), and also evidences of how some students got together and compared notes (reaching a mini-consensus on certain points that other students chose to gloss over). Hence Mark, via Peter, Matthew, John, and Thomas, who each recalled what Jesus had said years after the fact, as they dictated to bilingual scribes - for the express purpose of evangelization aids in different regions. Gospel scrolls and parchments then got recopied by new generation scribes, with Markian, Johnian, and Thomine traditions flourishing. Apostolic authority
I really enjoy when you talk about or interview experts on the gnostic gospels/gnostic movements. It’s how I first came across your channel back when I was a senior in high school back in 2015. Your videos on the topic made me notice that a lot of the games I’ve played growing up, specifically Japanese RPGs, seem to reference or borrow a lot of terms or themes from Gnosticism or Kabbalah. It’s pretty cool, keep up the amazing work man!
Love this. Im a bit confused why there was no possibility of Thomas being a composite material while also not pushing the Q text? (Will likely watch again as it might have been covered but i didn't digest it)
Henry evokes the dream of discovering an "Aramaic 1st century Thomas source". This is one puzzle in textual criticism: Why does there seem to be such a rejection of the existence of Aramaic texts, preferring instead to believe in the existence of uniquely oral Aramaic traditions? It's true that we have no Aramaic texts today with 1st century origins. But we do have extensive attestation from the apostolic fathers that a "Hebrew Gospel" existed, specifically an original Matthew.
When the synoptic gospels are compared in their proper order the variations always show the same progression. Most obvious is the ship in a storm progressing farther across the sea before needing the help ofJesus because their faith has grown. And there is the increase in one's light. At first it is small and ultimately grows to shine out the window to be seen by others. A careful comparison shows this progress in every passage.
Oh, my. I forgot my point. I saw in the originally released Thomas the concept of a woman being made a man. That parallels John. Mary of Bethany was our first example of a female desiring a place with the men at the feet of Jesus. She would face criticism all round. To attain what she is looking for, she must already be a woman of holiness and love. Mary's sister would be burdened by extra work, and some men might question her elevation above even them. In short, Mary was promised a position equal to even Peter.
What if all three synoptic gospels are written by the same person? I mean, maybe someone was written the first gospel, he published it, bat after some years, he changed his mind and he decided to re write it, and then he did it again after some time. It could explain a lot things and solve many problems.
I get the hypothesis that Luke got the material formerly known as Q from Matthew , but where did Matthew get it from? Whatever you choose to call it, it is the putative words of Jesus from a source other than Mark.
A thought that keeps me up at night is what if these lost documents were found by completely reckless people and destroyed forever before any archaeologists could come in
Of course I have no idea which book was written when, but I didn't hear anything persuasive regarding Thomas being more recent. He said that he studied the 4 gospels before reading Thomas, and as he read Thomas he recognized the influence of the others. How does that say anything other than that he read the synoptic gospels first? If he'd grown up Reading Thomas, wouldn't he then have recognized its influence on the other four? When he said his answer to what he'd do if Q was discovered was that he didn't think Q existed, I gave up on the interview. The correct answer to that question should be that, if that happened, he'd have to rethink everything.
If the son of man or dwelth amongst man walkthrough the lands, the color of the avatar but it depends the land to inhabit, either citizenship or language to speak it remains a stronghold of its temple (Flesh).
This reminds me of a conversation I had recently with someone who was horrified by the Pirate Bible, which is an AI generated spin-off of the King James Version of the Bible, where an AI has translated it into pirate jargon, so for example rather than being the good shepherd, Jesus is the great sea captain who gives his life for the crew. I argued that it's probably better that it exists than not, and I asked them to imagine if a global nuclear war broke out tomorrow, wiping out most of humanity, and the only version of the scriptures that survived was the Pirate Bible, wouldn't that be better than nothing? I didn't mean to actually make a scholarly point, but I guess this actually does apply to history as well, the Bible we have today is the one that survived, but that doesn't mean it hasn't changed. I love the analogy of The Chosen, and how that riffs on the NT scriptures, so you could imagine if suddently a big event created an information crunch, and the only account of the life of Jesus that made it through that event, was a folder of video files on a USB stick, containing The Chosen TV show. We know of such an event pertaining to the Quran, which was the great Quran burning under Caliph Uthman, after which it is hard to determine if what survived was really what Muhammed spoke. It is unfortunate that such things happen, I often think about what amazing treasures of culture were lost in the destruction of the Library of Alexandria..
Hears the word of God? This is likely a reference to the ability to hear as "the beginning of the response of Jah (יענה) "john" and i think it reveals something about Mary's relationship with God even before the conception of Jesus.
The best revelation in Josephus is the many dead bodies found in the temple at passover. The timing is perfect to be 41 days after the birth of Christ. Remember that Anna summoned the others. These were the שלג. Interesting, isn't it? I think of them as the 333.
Given Thomas, the new fragment recently published, and Papias’s accounts, I just don’t see how it’s realistic to say that Matthew & probably Luke were not using written sayings texts as sources.
This, again, is a parallel with John: The large fish harken back to why Jesus had a bed of coals prepared for the 153. The 153 vs the slew can be explained by the temple of Dagon and how many men and women were on the first floor vs how many were on the second floor. You must listen with an ear to hear. Begin with THERE were women THERE. And when youve determined the numbers, ask yourself how those numbers on each floor could vary so greatly. I think you will realize why there was a bed of coals. ( this has been an important passage to me for a different reason. The risen king of kings and Lord of Lords was making breakfast for fishermen. I should say had already made the breakfast.)
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Dr. Goodacre will be giving a lecture along with nine other scholars at a 2-day online conference called: "New Insights into the New Testament." Dr. Bart Ehrman will be moderating. Sign up here!: religionforbreakfast--ehrman.thrivecart.com/nint2023/
44:31 "I've really enjoyed the chat."
I've REALLY enjoyed it. What a great video and what a great guest, so knowledgeable of the NT depths and mysteries and such an engaging speaker. Thanks to both of you.
OMG YEEEESSSSESS!!!!!!!
Goodacre IS the man. Dale Allison said once that he's "worried" that such smart folks like Goodacre could disagree on the existence of the Quelle source. This guy is not to underestimate, I think he should be regarded in the same status as Géza Vermes or Larry Hurtado.
What a likable and approachable scholar! I thoroughly enjoyed this interview, and am going to get one of his books now. Thanks for this great conversation.
Wonderful conversation! Thank you for introducing me to so many bible scholars Andrew!
I didn't think I'd like the longer format, but I loved this
thank you for sharing the enlightening discussion. keep well~
Thank you.
Thanks for another great video🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Try this experiment with your students, say a class of some 15: give an a fairly complex, but very important 20 minute lecture. Then, a month later have each prepare a summary of it. You will undoubtedly find similarities (as each student recalls key points in the same way), differences (as each student interprets key points in their own understanding of them), and also evidences of how some students got together and compared notes (reaching a mini-consensus on certain points that other students chose to gloss over). Hence Mark, via Peter, Matthew, John, and Thomas, who each recalled what Jesus had said years after the fact, as they dictated to bilingual scribes - for the express purpose of evangelization aids in different regions. Gospel scrolls and parchments then got recopied by new generation scribes, with Markian, Johnian, and Thomine traditions flourishing. Apostolic authority
I really enjoy when you talk about or interview experts on the gnostic gospels/gnostic movements. It’s how I first came across your channel back when I was a senior in high school back in 2015.
Your videos on the topic made me notice that a lot of the games I’ve played growing up, specifically Japanese RPGs, seem to reference or borrow a lot of terms or themes from Gnosticism or Kabbalah. It’s pretty cool, keep up the amazing work man!
Wow. I didn't this channel existed. Been a long term subscriber of RRB.
Love this. Im a bit confused why there was no possibility of Thomas being a composite material while also not pushing the Q text? (Will likely watch again as it might have been covered but i didn't digest it)
Goodacre is the bomb! Great guest
Henry evokes the dream of discovering an "Aramaic 1st century Thomas source". This is one puzzle in textual criticism: Why does there seem to be such a rejection of the existence of Aramaic texts, preferring instead to believe in the existence of uniquely oral Aramaic traditions? It's true that we have no Aramaic texts today with 1st century origins. But we do have extensive attestation from the apostolic fathers that a "Hebrew Gospel" existed, specifically an original Matthew.
When the synoptic gospels are compared in their proper order the variations always show the same progression. Most obvious is the ship in a storm progressing farther across the sea before needing the help ofJesus because their faith has grown. And there is the increase in one's light. At first it is small and ultimately grows to shine out the window to be seen by others. A careful comparison shows this progress in every passage.
Oh, my. I forgot my point. I saw in the originally released Thomas the concept of a woman being made a man. That parallels John. Mary of Bethany was our first example of a female desiring a place with the men at the feet of Jesus. She would face criticism all round. To attain what she is looking for, she must already be a woman of holiness and love. Mary's sister would be burdened by extra work, and some men might question her elevation above even them. In short, Mary was promised a position equal to even Peter.
What if all three synoptic gospels are written by the same person? I mean, maybe someone was written the first gospel, he published it, bat after some years, he changed his mind and he decided to re write it, and then he did it again after some time.
It could explain a lot things and solve many problems.
I get the hypothesis that Luke got the material formerly known as Q from Matthew , but where did Matthew get it from? Whatever you choose to call it, it is the putative words of Jesus from a source other than Mark.
I wonder how Dr goodacres view on Q fits in with Mark Bilby’s ideas and the gospel of the poor etc
I agree with him. Fanfiction isn't done by people who don't like the original. It truly is flattery
They can still be edits. Ie: someone didn't like *one thing* in the original or whatever source they used, so they changed that and left the rest.
A thought that keeps me up at night is what if these lost documents were found by completely reckless people and destroyed forever before any archaeologists could come in
Of course I have no idea which book was written when, but I didn't hear anything persuasive regarding Thomas being more recent. He said that he studied the 4 gospels before reading Thomas, and as he read Thomas he recognized the influence of the others. How does that say anything other than that he read the synoptic gospels first? If he'd grown up Reading Thomas, wouldn't he then have recognized its influence on the other four?
When he said his answer to what he'd do if Q was discovered was that he didn't think Q existed, I gave up on the interview. The correct answer to that question should be that, if that happened, he'd have to rethink everything.
Now I know where his PhD students got their podcast idea from
If the son of man or dwelth amongst man walkthrough the lands, the color of the avatar but it depends the land to inhabit, either citizenship or language to speak it remains a stronghold of its temple (Flesh).
So Thomas is Boba Fett. Gets a minor role in the original, then much later on, gets his own book…
This reminds me of a conversation I had recently with someone who was horrified by the Pirate Bible, which is an AI generated spin-off of the King James Version of the Bible, where an AI has translated it into pirate jargon, so for example rather than being the good shepherd, Jesus is the great sea captain who gives his life for the crew.
I argued that it's probably better that it exists than not, and I asked them to imagine if a global nuclear war broke out tomorrow, wiping out most of humanity, and the only version of the scriptures that survived was the Pirate Bible, wouldn't that be better than nothing?
I didn't mean to actually make a scholarly point, but I guess this actually does apply to history as well, the Bible we have today is the one that survived, but that doesn't mean it hasn't changed.
I love the analogy of The Chosen, and how that riffs on the NT scriptures, so you could imagine if suddently a big event created an information crunch, and the only account of the life of Jesus that made it through that event, was a folder of video files on a USB stick, containing The Chosen TV show.
We know of such an event pertaining to the Quran, which was the great Quran burning under Caliph Uthman, after which it is hard to determine if what survived was really what Muhammed spoke.
It is unfortunate that such things happen, I often think about what amazing treasures of culture were lost in the destruction of the Library of Alexandria..
Those two are not the same.
@@griveouswithhislightsabers3665 Which two?
Hears the word of God? This is likely a reference to the ability to hear as "the beginning of the response of Jah (יענה) "john" and i think it reveals something about Mary's relationship with God even before the conception of Jesus.
The best revelation in Josephus is the many dead bodies found in the temple at passover. The timing is perfect to be 41 days after the birth of Christ. Remember that Anna summoned the others. These were the שלג. Interesting, isn't it? I think of them as the 333.
Given Thomas, the new fragment recently published, and Papias’s accounts, I just don’t see how it’s realistic to say that Matthew & probably Luke were not using written sayings texts as sources.
Maybe Thomas just wrote what he himself heard Jesus say, as it says, and there was no oral tradition or copied from anybody.
This, again, is a parallel with John: The large fish harken back to why Jesus had a bed of coals prepared for the 153. The 153 vs the slew can be explained by the temple of Dagon and how many men and women were on the first floor vs how many were on the second floor. You must listen with an ear to hear. Begin with THERE were women THERE. And when youve determined the numbers, ask yourself how those numbers on each floor could vary so greatly. I think you will realize why there was a bed of coals. ( this has been an important passage to me for a different reason. The risen king of kings and Lord of Lords was making breakfast for fishermen. I should say had already made the breakfast.)