Excellent tips. I am a life long spelunker myself. On the topic of flashlights. Make sure if you only take 2 lights that they are quality and proven dependable. Today's led lights dollar store or harbor freight lights are not a good choice. I always carry a quality headlamp, a bright flashlight and a cheapy backup and carry replacement batteries for all of them. Its also a good idea to practice changing your flashlights batteries in the dark.
Old comment but someone might read it and my reply and it might help, I know nothing about mines but in my safety training for confined spaces and carried lighting suggest to also carry a final backup chemical light. They dont weight much or take up much room and might be just enough to get out or help rescue find you.
The most dangerous snakes in all the world live in a big den on Capitol Hill, DC. There you will find hundreds of them writhing in a ball. I have more respect for the ones in your mine. Great video. I tend to stay out of old mines due to my inexperience. I thought MSHA would nail a person caught underground without certification?
New Zealand is such a beautiful country. I have always wanted to visit, but never had the money. Someday... BTW, have you ever read Robert Heinlein's book 'Tramp Royale'? It is about the round the world trip he and his wife took in the 1950's. I was quite surprised at his terrible experience there, especially as it is so well reported on now. I agree with the DC snake pit. Keith
I think another good thing you should really include is anyone doing underground mining needs a MSHA Part 48B. You can get the certification for free at most tech schools . Here in PA they offer free classes once a month for both parts A & B
A 'self rescuer' in mining terms is a belt mounted catalytic converter that keeps CO from your lungs during a fire. It has no supply of oxygen. A self contained breathing apparatus would be different. Probably different industries have the same nickname for different products.
I've never been in an abandoned mine that was large enough to need it, but I have been in some working mines that sure can. It is especially disorienting because the angles are never 90 degrees and things go up and down also. If it is big, you sure need to take pracautions to avoid getting lost. Keith
found a2 foot hole next to a dead tree on private property. somehow connected to the Sterkfontein cave system, mostly mapped, but i doubt if anyone knows about the part i explored. a real 3D maze ! not only left or right, also up and down ! th-cam.com/video/Y_HeozmSIK0/w-d-xo.html
Excellent video as are all that you have made. I commend you for taking the time, and cost to produce these for all of us. New and old.I can appreciate the dangers of the southwest. I have hunted there several times for javelina and bear. In 1986 I hunted the high plains desert. The hunt which I wrote a story about, and called "The Great Bear Hunt of 1986", ended up being known to my partner and I as the "Desert Death March of 1986", as and error in judgement put my friend and I a mile into the wilds, dehydrated without water. To the point that our tongues were swollen, and we had to pull them away from the roof of our mouth. We could only walk about 20-30 feet without resting. This came about from a night of vomiting and diarrhea after using a coral snake for a fly swatter, and my friend loosing his canteen after tripping and injuring his knee. I had drank all my water within 100 yards of the cabin because of the dehydration. Other notable points on the hunt were when I killed a Mohave Green Rattlesnake with a pocket knife, being stung by a small translucent scorpion on my big toe when I stepped outside to brush my teeth, tarantulas in our truck, a black widow nest under my bunk, and my buddy having his hair stand on end when lightening struck a scrub tree about a 100 yards away. A fantastic story I know. But true it is. I even have the rattlesnake mounted and sitting on my bookcase.
I think it turned out well, but the editing took 10 hours! First I had to write the script, then dictate it, then break it up into the timeline with headers, and THEN go through all my library of videos and photos and stitch them together. You know what was really frustrating? In all the video I have taken, I couldn't find any good shots of unstable rock or major 'slough' like we saw in the Gertie Riddle. I guess I just never focused on that. Had a great spot from the mine south of here, but it was just out of view in the video. DRAT! Keith
A few bat issues. About 50% of all bats carry rabies and you can catch it from breathing aerosolized urine in areas where there are large numbers of bats. Getting rabies vaccine is a good idea if you are around them often. It is a 3 shot series that is quite expensive. I received my vaccinations when I was about 20 and would have to draw a titer to see if I am still immune. I was vaccinated at the time because I was caving a lot at the time. Next is histoplasmosis which is a fungal type pneumonia from an organism that lives in quano, pigeon shit, etc.
Thanks Jason, I know your expertise on health matters and would recommend that everyone take your advice seriously. I'll see about modifying the video when I get the chance. Too bad TH-cam doesn't have a way to update a video, you apparently have to take it down and replace it with a new one and lose all the views and comments. DRAT! Thanks- Keith
You seem really knowledgeable. Is there any way I can talk with you directly? I have some questions that is easiest answered through verbal conversation..
I personally believe that such tactical decisions are truly a personal matter. The precise taste and psychogenic effects of such beverages are highly idiosyncratic and I suspect extensive research by each individual would be necessary to properly calibrate the correct blend to maximize the positive effects. :-) keith
Found an abandoned mineshaft a couple thousand feet above Ophir Utah. Entrance was visually eroding as we slipped in, and was just wide enough to fit through. Tunnel had what looked like very old dynamite with long fuses, kart tracks, collapsed supports, gigantic icicles, and many different pathways to different tunnels. Walked out for about 10 minutes and saw no sign of the tunnel coming to an end.
Man! I could have filmed the whole video there. STAY AWAY FROM THE DYNAMITE. One touch could be your last. You should report it to local law enforcement so they can dispose of it properly before someone else touches it.
Ventilation is the only answer. 1700 feet is a long way to pump air over time, but can they be connected and one used as an exhaust tunnel while the other is intake? If so, a simple bulkhead and a fan at the portal to the exhaust tunnel would be the final solution. During construction, you might rent appropriate equipment to provide safe air. Exhaust raises are a common alternative.
I found a bunch of blasting caps as a kid, and took it on an overnight trip to a relatives house. I showed them what I found and was surprised to learn it was explosive! Why would people be so careless as to leave something like that laying around? My relative took it out and destroyed it. Whew!
Many years ago, explosives were available at the hardware store without a permit. As such, they were much less feared and therefore less carefully handled. It happens. I could tell you stories about PROFESSIONALS that need more training.
Hard Rock University Any time someone got something to say about prospecting or treasure hunting etc.... I listen and learn. I do a little prospecting and know for lots of flour gold and can pan it out pretty good but im not one of those who know it all. I usually learn from every video I watch. Thank you.
Thanks. We were out at the claims yesterday and saw two rattlesnakes in two different mines. One was pretty big, but out of the way. Probably 4 1/2 to 5 feet.
The mostly hand powered miners of -a couple centuries ago- the late 19th Century* would've considered a super Hilti like that one the best thing to come along since dynamite.
Although this is not a danger it a possible solution. As the fire dept will probably be the people to come get your butt out of trouble. Just stop and ask them what what would scare them the most if they had to do a underground rescue
Well Keith good to meet you. I was a reptile wholesaler from 89-95 and sold to shops so I have some knowledge. Can you tell me what species of rattler those were? They look like Mojave greens but I am not sure.
No, they are not Mojaves. I think they are called black tailed rattlesnakes. They are more social and not as aggressive. They are apparently relatively common. The diamond pattern is not as precise as many rattlesnakes and the tails are all black from the cloaca to the rattle.
Although I certainlty can see how those 10 things you mentioned in theory could be a fatal risk, I wonder how much of them are practical risks, as in, do you know of them actually having caused fatalities? Like whats the chance of someone encountering ancient sticks of dynamite or blasting caps and accidentally setting them off?
I have encountered explosives in old mines. It was degraded and I called the authorities and we destroyed it safely. One person contacted me and said he knew a really good mine, but that there was a full powder magazine inside so he would not tell anyone or try it himself. In a case like that the only reasonably safe thing to do would be to set charges without disturbing the 1-2 tons of unstable explosives and blow everything to bits and probably seal the mine. He never told me what he did. Rattlesnakes are common in the old mines near Arivaca where many of my videos are made. Look up the "Arivaca King Mine, AZ" on google earth and the middle opening probably has a five or six foot rattlesnake sunning himself, if a bit small to see from space. The recent video about "Bud's Mine" was filmed in a mine reputed to have bad air when the barometric pressure would change. Hard to give relative probabilities, but the dangers are quite real. Luckily most are easily avoided if you know what to look for. Keith
@@hardrockuniversity7283 we find so many old mines in central Arizona,we do put the outside portal in our videos but I wouldn't go inside without someone with more experience along😂 if you like we just put a video up last night called abandoned mines and short gold hunt, shows a a few mine photos or video out road 685 from bumblebee to the West very rough road.Take care
Good info, especially on the physical hazards as well as chemical ones. Because this was just exploration and not commercial mining activity, there really was no reason to kill the rattlesnakes. They belong there.
Very pretty black tail rattlesnakes. Sorry you had to kill them, but it was only a few. Think about tongs as an option to move them. I enjoyed the video.
Thank you. It was an unusual situation. Too many people, too many snakes for safety. We run into them there all the time, but usually don't have conflicts.
Hard Rock University wow u noticed me awesomeeeee. Im a 29yo big city boy but i swear i was an explorer in one of my past lifes. I wish u could take me out with u sometime man i would pay any amount for that experience plus i never had a father so it would be a great life lesson for me the things u teach me
Hard Rock University omgggg that would be amazinggggg im in Philadelphia Pennsylvania. South Philadelphia to be exact 😀 ill keep an eye out i would love to join u on an adventure 😀
Hard Rock University That is true, lead and mercury are used In many products, among other metals and natural hazardous elements. Asbestos is used in car manufacturing and certain car parts.
Thanks for the information , personally I would not kill a snake if it was no where it could harm me, yet he said if it was not in your way then leave it alone(if you are planning on mining gold or silver from a mine it would be dangerous to let 3 rattle snakes live) he did not promote killing for no reason.
Not only are there moral issues, but you also increase your risk of snake bite by getting close enough to kill. We have actually taken some risks to avoid killing them when we were just going to be there one time. Thanks for watching and the feedback. Keith
Your in a friggin potentially dangerous mine. Might as well remove the snakes, and let them go about their lives before you messed with them. How much more important are you than the snakes? Equal in nature pal
No reason to kill the snakes. Probably didn't eat them, which is even worse. You're in their environment, invading their home. They're not invading yours.
Why would you kill a bunch of snakes who were in the corner not bothering anybody? You came upon their home not yours.. Having a healthy respect for nature and all life big or small will bring you more fortune then any gold you may find along the way..
When i was a kid and came across copperheads or moccasins in the woods or swamps. I would shoot at them with a 22 and watch em dodge bullets. Pretty cool. Edit, dont play with snakes
The .44 on my hip would have caused serious ear damage in those tight quarters, plus frag. The mag on the .22 failed and was eliminated from inventory thereafter. A field expedient solution was implemented successfully. :-)
@@warfighter-rango8180 My usual solution for snakes is a shovel. In this case the rocky ground made that unreliable. It was the first time I had run into that particular problem.
@@warfighter-rango8180 I usually have a number of backup plans. One time I even got to plan C before getting home. I still had other to go. I also tend to over engineer things. My wife flipped a trailer I built once, it was operating the next day. I LIKE a good cushion.
Hello from hot Arizona. Used to live in Bellingham Washington for a while. Love the scenery and the ocean up there. Thanks for the compliment. If you ever have any questions, please ask. I meet the most interesting people that way. keith
Actually, the most dangerous snake in the U.S. Southwest is not the Rattlesnake or the Coral Snake, but is actually the Mojave Green whose venom is BOTH Neurotoxic & Hemotoxic - in other words, it has the venom of both the Rattlesnake AND the Coral Snake.
But the Mojave Green is a sub-species of rattle snake, just as the sidewinder is. And BOTH are darned aggressive. The sidewinder is also the FASTEST snake in America. They can only move about 7.5 MPH, but I can tell you from personal experience that is damned fast when you are back pedaling! Keith
As a herpetologist, a biologist who studies reptiles, it is obvious you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to snakes. Stick to your supposed area of expertise and stop killing these beautiful animals. Oh yeah. I'm calling you out on your bullshit! I seriously doubt you were "chased" by a sidewinder as they are one of the shyest rattlesnakes and not even close to the fastest snakes. Just look at their body shape and you can tell they aren't built for speed.
Perhaps you are correct on their speed sir. I assume you are being honest about the herpetologist. I did read that they traveled at about 7.5 MPH max, which is up there with the racers. This video from the Smithsonian Channel th-cam.com/video/B3NbPUTD5qA/w-d-xo.html says that an African sidewinder can do 18 MPH! Far faster than Google's answer of 10MPH for the Eastern Coachwhip as the fastest snake in North America. I guarantee you, 7.5 is fast enough when you are trying to back away. However, I can tell you with assurance, and from personal experience, that they will come TOWARDS you when disturbed, at least some times. I lived in Yuma AZ as a teenager and it was so hot in the summer that we would spend all night outside or in the water during the summers. When hunting for scorpions on the mesa east of town around Araby road South of 32nd st we used to run into sidewinders from time to time at night. Just what is your personal experience with American Sidewinders in the wild sir? Keith
001DesertRat Yep that's the one that you kill and then take it with you and I'd the snake positively to get the best treatment options available ouch that hurts so much
Why are you not rock collecting?To me there is no reason to go into a mine if there is nothing worth the effort. These old copper andsilver/gold mine where following a vein ,so 90% of the ore has been removed
To get past 4 rattlesnakes in a four foot wide tunnel, they had to be removed. We could have turned around instead. But we also harvested them for meat and skins. We did not have 'snake sticks' to remove them otherwise safely, but it was indeed a choice.
In an old coal mine you sure could get gas. In metals mines the usual danger is lack of oxygen. I did mention old explosives at one point didn't I? It was about three years ago I made this. If I didn't, I should re-make it with them in it.
@@hardrockuniversity7283 thanks for the response the video was excellent, you did mention the old explosives.I think you have a couple bad underlying assumptions. those mines were profitable and some of the money was spent to maintain them.yet they killed a lot of good people working there with plans and a safety budget and a lot of people around 24/7/365.Your video suggests it is possible to come in the mine, asses the structural integrity of the various supports and jury rig something safe, on one mans hobby budget, and dig around a bit for some samples.On the gases, in a metal mine with wet sulfur compounds you can form sulfuric acid and release a hydrogen gas, it would be a slow formation of the gases they would pocket in a high spot.If you were moving around and got it mixed in a little it could go off from a fire arm. Hydrogen has lower explosive limit of 5% and upper at 95% roughly.I am not saying don't go in a mine, I am saying that is a very high risk behavior. I have a friend named Keith Bull. He is a good guy and we are short Keith Bulls LOL
@@doctormcgoveran2194 Never heard of the hydrogen issue. I suspect that anoxia is likely to get you first without breathing equipment. I'll keep an eye out for more information. Thanks In many mines one CAN assess the dangers fairly easily, in others- not so much. If you can't get a reliable read, don't proceed. Keith Bull? Interesting, I am going to visit Kenny Bull in NY this week and hang out for a couple of months. Any relation? Keith
@@hardrockuniversity7283 I thought you said in the video you were keith bull, struck me as odd you even look a little like him.I don't know if he knows kenny bull in new york,.It is interesting to me about the abandoned mines problem, in the sense they spend a lot of money on these things, concrete, steel bars fences etc, and people just cut right through any thing to get a chance to die in the hole in the ground..I worked on the rivers and the great lakes.One old wreck sunk in a 120 feet of water which is close to the maximum depth for dives. Nine of my fine friends lay in the bottom of the water, and more than ten times as many people have died coming to see the dead boat and the dead merchant marines.It is a weird human thing.
@@doctormcgoveran2194 My last name is Bowen. I can see how it could be mistaken if I said it quickly. Interesting synchronicity going on here. Hope it is a good omen. My condolences on your comrades. Many people do not recognize the dangers and challenges the MM overcomes every day to keep us the most abundantly supplied humans in history. TH-cam has abundant proof that the human race has a significant minority seemingly utterly lacking in common sense and a survival instinct. Good Fortune, Keith
I like snakes also. There have been a few cases where we actually risked injury to let them be. In this case they were harvested for use, not just killed. I can understand your feelings though. Keith
I hate snakes but we have to remember we’re treading on their turf and they have every reason to be defensive. I’ve came across some pissed Mojave greens that didn’t want to give up and gave no choice. They can be yummy eatin if you have the right cook.
Have you ever tried to step over four rattlesnakes in a confined space with visitors in tow? I have done it myself, and it almost ended badly once. I will not risk others.
Daniel Terry apparently you dont know a pitful of snakes specially rattlers they do and will sneak behond you sounds crazy but they also hunt in packs and if you dont believe me research it,there only purpose is to kill or be killed.signed ex rattler hunter
You lost credibility when you killed the snakes. A miner digs the land, but should always give something back. Remember, they were there first, and have more positive influence on mother earth than you do! Thums down
I understand your feelings, however they were also harvested for skins and meat. I would not have harmed them if we were not planning on using them. OTOH, I would make no excuses for killing rattlesnakes in a work zone if I didn't have a safe way to capture and transport them. I do not believe an animal is equal to a person (at least most people- some are definitely less than animals). I do not believe they should be harmed gratuitously though. Keith
Excellent tips. I am a life long spelunker myself. On the topic of flashlights. Make sure if you only take 2 lights that they are quality and proven dependable. Today's led lights dollar store or harbor freight lights are not a good choice. I always carry a quality headlamp, a bright flashlight and a cheapy backup and carry replacement batteries for all of them. Its also a good idea to practice changing your flashlights batteries in the dark.
Excellent advice. I am usually with one or more companions and all should have several lights. Underground it is impossible to see without them.
Bring more than one backup light. 3 or 4.
Yep. In addition, if more than one person has more than one light, the number goes up quickly. I almost never go underground alone.
keith
Old comment but someone might read it and my reply and it might help, I know nothing about mines but in my safety training for confined spaces and carried lighting suggest to also carry a final backup chemical light. They dont weight much or take up much room and might be just enough to get out or help rescue find you.
Nonarei thats person has appeared somehow XD
The most dangerous snakes in all the world live in a big den on Capitol Hill, DC. There you will find hundreds of them writhing in a ball. I have more respect for the ones in your mine.
Great video. I tend to stay out of old mines due to my inexperience. I thought MSHA would nail a person caught underground without certification?
New Zealand is such a beautiful country. I have always wanted to visit, but never had the money. Someday...
BTW, have you ever read Robert Heinlein's book 'Tramp Royale'? It is about the round the world trip he and his wife took in the 1950's. I was quite surprised at his terrible experience there, especially as it is so well reported on now.
I agree with the DC snake pit.
Keith
Grab your shovels boys, we're headed to DC!
@@mudpuddle8805 I only have a pickax.
lol aint that the truth
Comparing corrupt politicians to snakes is disrespectful of snakes.
I think another good thing you should really include is anyone doing underground mining needs a MSHA Part 48B. You can get the certification for free at most tech schools . Here in PA they offer free classes once a month for both parts A & B
Great advise and tips! I think I would invest in a self rescuer (SCSR) in addition to the other equipment.
A 'self rescuer' in mining terms is a belt mounted catalytic converter that keeps CO from your lungs during a fire. It has no supply of oxygen. A self contained breathing apparatus would be different. Probably different industries have the same nickname for different products.
guess someone should have told that snake to avoid people with shovels :S
The snakes missed that you tube video
Fantastic video! Very much appreciated!
You're welcome.
I don't think I will be going into any mines anytime soon! I've got enough headaches!
LOL!
i got lost in a cave system once, always took a roll of 10.000meter fishingline with me after that
I've never been in an abandoned mine that was large enough to need it, but I have been in some working mines that sure can. It is especially disorienting because the angles are never 90 degrees and things go up and down also. If it is big, you sure need to take pracautions to avoid getting lost.
Keith
found a2 foot hole next to a dead tree on private property. somehow connected to the Sterkfontein cave system, mostly mapped, but i doubt if anyone knows about the part i explored. a real 3D maze ! not only left or right, also up and down !
th-cam.com/video/Y_HeozmSIK0/w-d-xo.html
Absolutely. It can be surprisingly disorienting..
Or a spray can of paint so you can mark the way you came. 👍👍
Good stuff to keep in mind at all times.
I have had to turn around more than once when things got too sketchy.
Do you recommend to brake into a fenced mine on a trail? Almaden trail in particular
'Breaking into' a mine is the same as breaking into someone's house, even if apparently abandoned.
@@hardrockuniversity7283 yes exactly.. The mine is the San cristobal.
Thank you. Great advice and great video.
Thank you.
Love your videos, here in AZ..might want to add killer bees..they love the old mines..have found that a mirror..great for seeing in audits first.
Not a bad idea. An update is not on my schedule right now though. The mirror trick works well looking in drill holes though.
Yea kill the bees w a flame thrower
Excellent video as are all that you have made. I commend you for taking the time, and cost to produce these for all of us. New and old.I can appreciate the dangers of the southwest. I have hunted there several times for javelina and bear. In 1986 I hunted the high plains desert. The hunt which I wrote a story about, and called "The Great Bear Hunt of 1986", ended up being known to my partner and I as the "Desert Death March of 1986", as and error in judgement put my friend and I a mile into the wilds, dehydrated without water. To the point that our tongues were swollen, and we had to pull them away from the roof of our mouth. We could only walk about 20-30 feet without resting. This came about from a night of vomiting and diarrhea after using a coral snake for a fly swatter, and my friend loosing his canteen after tripping and injuring his knee. I had drank all my water within 100 yards of the cabin because of the dehydration. Other notable points on the hunt were when I killed a Mohave Green Rattlesnake with a pocket knife, being stung by a small translucent scorpion on my big toe when I stepped outside to brush my teeth, tarantulas in our truck, a black widow nest under my bunk, and my buddy having his hair stand on end when lightening struck a scrub tree about a 100 yards away. A fantastic story I know. But true it is. I even have the rattlesnake mounted and sitting on my bookcase.
Amazing story, I can visualize everything
I think this is one of your best videos! Very informative and well put together.
I think it turned out well, but the editing took 10 hours! First I had to write the script, then dictate it, then break it up into the timeline with headers, and THEN go through all my library of videos and photos and stitch them together. You know what was really frustrating? In all the video I have taken, I couldn't find any good shots of unstable rock or major 'slough' like we saw in the Gertie Riddle. I guess I just never focused on that. Had a great spot from the mine south of here, but it was just out of view in the video. DRAT!
Keith
A few bat issues. About 50% of all bats carry rabies and you can catch it from breathing aerosolized urine in areas where there are large numbers of bats. Getting rabies vaccine is a good idea if you are around them often. It is a 3 shot series that is quite expensive. I received my vaccinations when I was about 20 and would have to draw a titer to see if I am still immune. I was vaccinated at the time because I was caving a lot at the time.
Next is histoplasmosis which is a fungal type pneumonia from an organism that lives in quano, pigeon shit, etc.
Thanks Jason,
I know your expertise on health matters and would recommend that everyone take your advice seriously. I'll see about modifying the video when I get the chance. Too bad TH-cam doesn't have a way to update a video, you apparently have to take it down and replace it with a new one and lose all the views and comments.
DRAT!
Thanks- Keith
You seem really knowledgeable. Is there any way I can talk with you directly? I have some questions that is easiest answered through verbal conversation..
I understand completely. Vastly improved bandwidth. If you email me at HardRockU@outlook.com we can exchange phone numbers.
I'm curious what the music used at the end of the video is called
The theme song from the movie "The Magnificent Seven' - a western
@@hardrockuniversity7283 Ty
@@lguy8476 You're welcome.
Do I need a stack of coors light to properly research mining like tghe long haired dude behind the desk? can I substitute a preferable ale instead?
I personally believe that such tactical decisions are truly a personal matter. The precise taste and psychogenic effects of such beverages are highly idiosyncratic and I suspect extensive research by each individual would be necessary to properly calibrate the correct blend to maximize the positive effects.
:-)
keith
Also rotten wood can make gases,,,watch out if its rotten and fungis on it-bad sign!
Rotton wood? Mold? shoot! I eat that stuff for breakfast.
Found an abandoned mineshaft a couple thousand feet above Ophir Utah. Entrance was visually eroding as we slipped in, and was just wide enough to fit through. Tunnel had what looked like very old dynamite with long fuses, kart tracks, collapsed supports, gigantic icicles, and many different pathways to different tunnels. Walked out for about 10 minutes and saw no sign of the tunnel coming to an end.
Man! I could have filmed the whole video there. STAY AWAY FROM THE DYNAMITE. One touch could be your last. You should report it to local law enforcement so they can dispose of it properly before someone else touches it.
We have two mines with bad air. It's near the ends of both haul tunnels a little over 1,700 ft. back.
Ventilation is the only answer. 1700 feet is a long way to pump air over time, but can they be connected and one used as an exhaust tunnel while the other is intake? If so, a simple bulkhead and a fan at the portal to the exhaust tunnel would be the final solution. During construction, you might rent appropriate equipment to provide safe air. Exhaust raises are a common alternative.
I'm so interested in old mines and their history but couldn't bring myself to exploring one completely.
You could try joining a local geology, gem, or prospecting club.
I found a bunch of blasting caps as a kid, and took it on an overnight trip to a relatives house. I showed them what I found and was surprised to learn it was explosive! Why would people be so careless as to leave something like that laying around? My relative took it out and destroyed it. Whew!
Many years ago, explosives were available at the hardware store without a permit. As such, they were much less feared and therefore less carefully handled. It happens. I could tell you stories about PROFESSIONALS that need more training.
Great video. Great tips. First time seeing your videos so I’ll subscribe. I’m always wanting to learn more about exploring and mining. Take care.
Thank you. I hope my videos will help.
Luck!
Hard Rock University Any time someone got something to say about prospecting or treasure hunting etc.... I listen and learn. I do a little prospecting and know for lots of flour gold and can pan it out pretty good but im not one of those who know it all. I usually learn from every video I watch. Thank you.
@@solobushman I like the learning, I hate not having the answers. :-)
Pellet gun or bb gun maybe as good a choice as 22 to dispatch snakes
I prefer a shovel, but the rocks were so coarse, the snakes always seemed to be in the gaps.
Thats what i would say. Ladt thing ya want is a bullet bouncing around
thanks again great informative vid :)
Thanks. We were out at the claims yesterday and saw two rattlesnakes in two different mines. One was pretty big, but out of the way. Probably 4 1/2 to 5 feet.
Hard Rock University yup i see them here all the time in forest we have a lot of um , i got me a snake kit in my bag pack in case i dont see him :)
Those eastern snakes are fatter, some don't rattle, and there is a lot more vegetation to hide them. Simpler over here, less humid also :-)
Is there gold in NY
Some. But more in Vermont and Maine from what I hear.
Thank you.
The mostly hand powered miners of -a couple centuries ago- the late 19th Century* would've considered a super Hilti like that one the best thing to come along since dynamite.
It is pretty sweet.
I have the same kind flashlights. I am ready to go!
Although this is not a danger it a possible solution. As the fire dept will probably be the people to come get your butt out of trouble. Just stop and ask them what what would scare them the most if they had to do a underground rescue
Probably would depend on the situation.
good stuff thanks keith
Thank you.
Keith
Thank you. I sub’d to your channel today. Great information.
You're welcome ask questions if you have them.
Have you ever seen sperits in the mines ore voices.
I am not sensitive in that way. But there are people that can.
Shoot now I am scared to go into a mine. Bobcats Snakes and Bats Oh my
Over here it is mountain lions.
You could have sold those rattlers alive for more money than any gold you would ever find in a week.
I don't know where I would sell them. I can usually find a rattler or two in my mines any day I want. Got a contact?
keith
Well Keith good to meet you.
I was a reptile wholesaler from 89-95 and sold to shops so I have some knowledge.
Can you tell me what species of rattler those were? They look like Mojave greens but I am not sure.
No, they are not Mojaves. I think they are called black tailed rattlesnakes. They are more social and not as aggressive. They are apparently relatively common. The diamond pattern is not as precise as many rattlesnakes and the tails are all black from the cloaca to the rattle.
I think they would be of more value for their skin to make belts or hat bands and wallets.
Safer that way also
Although I certainlty can see how those 10 things you mentioned in theory could be a fatal risk, I wonder how much of them are practical risks, as in, do you know of them actually having caused fatalities? Like whats the chance of someone encountering ancient sticks of dynamite or blasting caps and accidentally setting them off?
I have encountered explosives in old mines. It was degraded and I called the authorities and we destroyed it safely. One person contacted me and said he knew a really good mine, but that there was a full powder magazine inside so he would not tell anyone or try it himself. In a case like that the only reasonably safe thing to do would be to set charges without disturbing the 1-2 tons of unstable explosives and blow everything to bits and probably seal the mine. He never told me what he did.
Rattlesnakes are common in the old mines near Arivaca where many of my videos are made. Look up the "Arivaca King Mine, AZ" on google earth and the middle opening probably has a five or six foot rattlesnake sunning himself, if a bit small to see from space. The recent video about "Bud's Mine" was filmed in a mine reputed to have bad air when the barometric pressure would change.
Hard to give relative probabilities, but the dangers are quite real. Luckily most are easily avoided if you know what to look for.
Keith
So unless you know its clean ..50 \50 why risk it ?
@@garymingy8671 I didn't
Ohh man,those look like green Mohave rattle snakes!
Arizona Blacktailed Rattlesnakes. Same color not as psycho. Thank goodness.
@@hardrockuniversity7283 we find so many old mines in central Arizona,we do put the outside portal in our videos but I wouldn't go inside without someone with more experience along😂 if you like we just put a video up last night called abandoned mines and short gold hunt, shows a a few mine photos or video out road 685 from bumblebee to the West very rough road.Take care
Good info, especially on the physical hazards as well as chemical ones. Because this was just exploration and not commercial mining activity, there really was no reason to kill the rattlesnakes. They belong there.
There is no excuse for going into a cave and killing snakes, unless they are attacking you
Eating them?
1:09 snakes
CANT LIVE W/OUT IT!
Hello just found this channel nice video
Very pretty black tail rattlesnakes. Sorry you had to kill them, but it was only a few. Think about tongs as an option to move them. I enjoyed the video.
Thank you. It was an unusual situation. Too many people, too many snakes for safety. We run into them there all the time, but usually don't have conflicts.
I am into mining not snake handling
Great video
Thank you.
Hard Rock University wow u noticed me awesomeeeee. Im a 29yo big city boy but i swear i was an explorer in one of my past lifes. I wish u could take me out with u sometime man i would pay any amount for that experience plus i never had a father so it would be a great life lesson for me the things u teach me
Keep an eye on my channel, I might have some opportunities to help out on a project this winter. Where do you live?
Keith
Hard Rock University omgggg that would be amazinggggg im in Philadelphia Pennsylvania. South Philadelphia to be exact 😀 ill keep an eye out i would love to join u on an adventure 😀
I like to teach and I like enthusiasm. What kind of physical condition are you in?
i would probably bring 5 flashlights lol. I mean, in the case that both of them died, you could be pretty fucked...
Well... we BOTH had 2 :-). I agree with your 'belt AND suspenders' mind set completely.
I found a mine with heavy Arsenic Trioxide, from roasting gold.
That could be an issue. I knew a guy who had a sample of high grade gold ore that had so much Thallium it stopped his heart.
@@hardrockuniversity7283 The area in Canada I visited had residents with some serious sickness and in a small town of 100 residents (5) with cancer.
@@MannyScoot Minerals definitely can be dangerous. Natural does not mean safe.
Hard Rock University
That is true, lead and mercury are used In many products, among other metals and natural hazardous elements. Asbestos is used in car manufacturing and certain car parts.
Thanks for the information , personally I would not kill a snake if it was no where it could harm me, yet he said if it was not in your way then leave it alone(if you are planning on mining gold or silver from a mine it would be dangerous to let 3 rattle snakes live) he did not promote killing for no reason.
Not only are there moral issues, but you also increase your risk of snake bite by getting close enough to kill. We have actually taken some risks to avoid killing them when we were just going to be there one time.
Thanks for watching and the feedback.
Keith
Your in a friggin potentially dangerous mine. Might as well remove the snakes, and let them go about their lives before you messed with them. How much more important are you than the snakes? Equal in nature pal
Good eating in them there Snakes...Waste not want not !
Yep, plus tanned skins and rattles.
He didn't eat them...BS
On touched w long shovel
Big man
thanks
You're welcome.
More people get hurt or die just trying to get to the mines than in the mine .truth
Possibly.
No reason to kill the snakes. Probably didn't eat them, which is even worse. You're in their environment, invading their home. They're not invading yours.
Three foot wide path, four snakes, two inexperienced relatives. We not only ate them, but tanned the skins.
Why would you kill a bunch of snakes who were in the corner not bothering anybody? You came upon their home not yours.. Having a healthy respect for nature and all life big or small will bring you more fortune then any gold you may find along the way..
Guy you ever been bit by one you would know why
When i was a kid and came across copperheads or moccasins in the woods or swamps. I would shoot at them with a 22 and watch em dodge bullets. Pretty cool.
Edit, dont play with snakes
Always bring a gun dude
The .44 on my hip would have caused serious ear damage in those tight quarters, plus frag. The mag on the .22 failed and was eliminated from inventory thereafter. A field expedient solution was implemented successfully. :-)
@@hardrockuniversity7283 so many solutions, you can buy a suppressor
@@hardrockuniversity7283 either way at least a knife or something in case of an emergency
@@warfighter-rango8180 My usual solution for snakes is a shovel. In this case the rocky ground made that unreliable. It was the first time I had run into that particular problem.
@@warfighter-rango8180 I usually have a number of backup plans. One time I even got to plan C before getting home. I still had other to go. I also tend to over engineer things. My wife flipped a trailer I built once, it was operating the next day. I LIKE a good cushion.
hi greetings from british columbia canada thanks for the vid ...very informative will check out you other vids ..thanks ...mickey miner
Hello from hot Arizona. Used to live in Bellingham Washington for a while. Love the scenery and the ocean up there.
Thanks for the compliment. If you ever have any questions, please ask. I meet the most interesting people that way.
keith
Actually, the most dangerous snake in the U.S. Southwest is not the Rattlesnake or the Coral Snake, but is actually the Mojave Green whose venom is BOTH Neurotoxic & Hemotoxic - in other words, it has the venom of both the Rattlesnake AND the Coral Snake.
But the Mojave Green is a sub-species of rattle snake, just as the sidewinder is. And BOTH are darned aggressive. The sidewinder is also the FASTEST snake in America. They can only move about 7.5 MPH, but I can tell you from personal experience that is damned fast when you are back pedaling!
Keith
As a herpetologist, a biologist who studies reptiles, it is obvious you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to snakes. Stick to your supposed area of expertise and stop killing these beautiful animals. Oh yeah. I'm calling you out on your bullshit! I seriously doubt you were "chased" by a sidewinder as they are one of the shyest rattlesnakes and not even close to the fastest snakes. Just look at their body shape and you can tell they aren't built for speed.
Perhaps you are correct on their speed sir. I assume you are being honest about the herpetologist. I did read that they traveled at about 7.5 MPH max, which is up there with the racers. This video from the Smithsonian Channel
th-cam.com/video/B3NbPUTD5qA/w-d-xo.html
says that an African sidewinder can do 18 MPH! Far faster than Google's answer of 10MPH for the Eastern Coachwhip as the fastest snake in North America. I guarantee you, 7.5 is fast enough when you are trying to back away.
However, I can tell you with assurance, and from personal experience, that they will come TOWARDS you when disturbed, at least some times. I lived in Yuma AZ as a teenager and it was so hot in the summer that we would spend all night outside or in the water during the summers. When hunting for scorpions on the mesa east of town around Araby road South of 32nd st we used to run into sidewinders from time to time at night.
Just what is your personal experience with American Sidewinders in the wild sir?
Keith
Hay ratt boy or whatever your name is, the green mojave IS A RATTLESNAKE!!!!!!! Jesus, watta fucking moron!!
001DesertRat Yep that's the one that you kill and then take it with you and I'd the snake positively to get the best treatment options available ouch that hurts so much
Why are you not rock collecting?To me there is no reason to go into a mine if there is nothing worth the effort. These old copper andsilver/gold mine where following a vein ,so 90% of the ore has been removed
I am trying to find a location where economic deposits have been left behind. It does happen. If I find valuable specimens- also good.
# 1 other people!
If by that you mean the safety of people takes priority over that of non-endangered species, I agree completely.
Did you really need to kill the snake.. it wasnt doing anything threatening.
To get past 4 rattlesnakes in a four foot wide tunnel, they had to be removed. We could have turned around instead. But we also harvested them for meat and skins. We did not have 'snake sticks' to remove them otherwise safely, but it was indeed a choice.
you may want to mention the gunshot could set of an explosion, gas or old dynamite.
In an old coal mine you sure could get gas. In metals mines the usual danger is lack of oxygen. I did mention old explosives at one point didn't I? It was about three years ago I made this. If I didn't, I should re-make it with them in it.
@@hardrockuniversity7283 thanks for the response the video was excellent, you did mention the old explosives.I think you have a couple bad underlying assumptions. those mines were profitable and some of the money was spent to maintain them.yet they killed a lot of good people working there with plans and a safety budget and a lot of people around 24/7/365.Your video suggests it is possible to come in the mine, asses the structural integrity of the various supports and jury rig something safe, on one mans hobby budget, and dig around a bit for some samples.On the gases, in a metal mine with wet sulfur compounds you can form sulfuric acid and release a hydrogen gas, it would be a slow formation of the gases they would pocket in a high spot.If you were moving around and got it mixed in a little it could go off from a fire arm. Hydrogen has lower explosive limit of 5% and upper at 95% roughly.I am not saying don't go in a mine, I am saying that is a very high risk behavior. I have a friend named Keith Bull. He is a good guy and we are short Keith Bulls LOL
@@doctormcgoveran2194 Never heard of the hydrogen issue. I suspect that anoxia is likely to get you first without breathing equipment. I'll keep an eye out for more information. Thanks
In many mines one CAN assess the dangers fairly easily, in others- not so much. If you can't get a reliable read, don't proceed.
Keith Bull? Interesting, I am going to visit Kenny Bull in NY this week and hang out for a couple of months. Any relation?
Keith
@@hardrockuniversity7283 I thought you said in the video you were keith bull, struck me as odd you even look a little like him.I don't know if he knows kenny bull in new york,.It is interesting to me about the abandoned mines problem, in the sense they spend a lot of money on these things, concrete, steel bars fences etc, and people just cut right through any thing to get a chance to die in the hole in the ground..I worked on the rivers and the great lakes.One old wreck sunk in a 120 feet of water which is close to the maximum depth for dives. Nine of my fine friends lay in the bottom of the water, and more than ten times as many people have died coming to see the dead boat and the dead merchant marines.It is a weird human thing.
@@doctormcgoveran2194 My last name is Bowen. I can see how it could be mistaken if I said it quickly. Interesting synchronicity going on here. Hope it is a good omen.
My condolences on your comrades. Many people do not recognize the dangers and challenges the MM overcomes every day to keep us the most abundantly supplied humans in history.
TH-cam has abundant proof that the human race has a significant minority seemingly utterly lacking in common sense and a survival instinct.
Good Fortune,
Keith
#1-Stupidity
Why did you kill the snakes? There was just no need. You invaded it's home....that was a redicuous thing to do
Have you ever tried to take four people past four rattlesnakes in a tunnel four feet wide safely?
Big man...killed a snake...loser
در ود دوستان من ی دستگاه خوب میخوام کسی میتونه برام اوکی کنه .جاهای خیلی خیلی خیلی خوب دارم .لطفا معرفی کنید
I love snakes
Im now sad that u kill em
I like snakes also. There have been a few cases where we actually risked injury to let them be. In this case they were harvested for use, not just killed. I can understand your feelings though.
Keith
I hate snakes but we have to remember we’re treading on their turf and they have every reason to be defensive.
I’ve came across some pissed Mojave greens that didn’t want to give up and gave no choice. They can be yummy eatin if you have the right cook.
All those poor snakes they weren't hurting you why did you kill them you monster.
To eat them and keep them from biting my daughter.
Yea right...they were to the side hiding. You were moving on. Just had to kill them for food BS...you left them to rot
how about just leave the snakes be.
Have you ever tried to step over four rattlesnakes in a confined space with visitors in tow? I have done it myself, and it almost ended badly once. I will not risk others.
Over...watch the video fool.
They are out of your way
Let's explore a mine together
u should not of kill them snakes they won't hurt you, unless you provoke them by getting to close
Wow Really? I was born and raised in Rattler Country and I will kill any Rattler I see!!
The Static Nomadic , a good snake is a dead snake.
I love snakes
i hear they are tasty
Daniel Terry apparently you dont know a pitful of snakes specially rattlers they do and will sneak behond you sounds crazy but they also hunt in packs and if you dont believe me research it,there only purpose is to kill or be killed.signed ex rattler hunter
WTF?!! What was the point in killing those snakes? 👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻
Two inexperienced people, three foot wide tunnel, four snakes- you do the math. We ate them anyway.
You lost credibility when you killed the snakes. A miner digs the land, but should always give something back. Remember, they were there first, and have more positive influence on mother earth than you do! Thums down
I understand your feelings, however they were also harvested for skins and meat. I would not have harmed them if we were not planning on using them. OTOH, I would make no excuses for killing rattlesnakes in a work zone if I didn't have a safe way to capture and transport them. I do not believe an animal is equal to a person (at least most people- some are definitely less than animals). I do not believe they should be harmed gratuitously though.
Keith
Killer
Yes. Harvesting animals involves killing.
Keith
Snakes should not be killed. They must be picked up and released in remote places.