Thank you Steve for introducing the MGEHR 1212 grooving and parting tool. I just got it for my ML7 and I am very pleased with the first results. I used it to groove and to cut a piece of 1,5" irontube. No chatter at all, nice chips and an absolutely clean cut. Never was grooving and cutting easier for me.
Great video Steve, thank you. I now have a set of these and am very impressed. I also have a set of thr blue nano inserts on order. I cannot tell you how much I am learning from your superb videos.
Hi Steve just started Lathe work,and watching your excellent tutorials.Great to have your input on what is the best buy.Saves learning by my mistakes.Thank you.
Steve... THANK YOU for yet another GREAT Video for us new Guys! I find many of your Videos a GREAT resource for "WHAT TO GET" and "HOW TO USE"! I'm looking forward to making some of your projects! For those of us that have a Chinese Mini Lathe I say THANK YOU for using it in your videos!!! It is GREAT to watch you use a Lathe like the one I have. Being Disabled, money is VERY tight. All you do (TH-cam Videos with Mini Lathe) gives me hope I can afford to use my Mill one day having the right Tooling thanks to you!!! I'd say you are the best Product Rep. Banggood has! Keep up the GREAT work!!! Wishing you and yours a VERY Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! Best regards, Willie
Thanks Steve, Now that I'm getting my lathe dialed in I ordered these insert tools. Great price and I'll bet, a whole lot better that the braised carbide tip tools I should have never have purchased. My fault though as I ordered too small and they don't cut worth a smack. Thanks for all your vids
From my family to yours have a Merry Christmas and A Happy New Year, thank you for this year’s awesome content and I am looking forward to next year’s surprises. From Elliot Lake Ontario Canada.
Steve, does bang good sell standard fractional hss drill bits? I'm placing an order for tools for my Jet mini lathe. I try to watch all your videos cause you give lots of good information for the new machinist. Thankyou
Based on your videos I have purchased the set of turning tools that use the DCMT 070204 inserts. Also, the Blue Nano inserts have been a good buy in terms of cost and product fit and finish!
Thank you for the information in this video. The only thing I did not see was what type of tool you use for finishing. Can you please elaborate some on that tool?
I have a Serline lathe, in a Paxton/Patterson enclosure, it is a pretty short one and standard length drills won't really fit. How long are the bigger drills?
hi steve just got myself the carbide tool set thanks for a great video, i,ve got a myford ml7r are the dickson qctp all the same and the holders i don,t want to get the wrong post hope you can advise me thanks john
Hi John Thanks, there are different quickchange toolposts but if you just get the ones listed for the Myford or Chinese Mini Lathe they are both the same size. It is one of the best things I have bought for my lathes. You must be pleased to have a Myford ML7R. Regards Steve
Steve, thanks: yet another informative video for beginners like me. What I worry about buying from Banggood is the risk of getting hit with import duty and fines. Any comment or advice?
I haven't paid any import duties yet I see on the checkout one can sometimes pay a small charge usually under 2 pounds to cancel out any import charges.
if im running the #250-000 wedge type quick change tool post on a ML7 and use the 12mm shank tools used here, will it o low enough to get correct tool height without having to machine the top slide?
No it is limited if I remember rightly. I will re check it tomorrow as I have an un machined compound slide as well. I am pretty sure the 12mm tools are too high. Regards Steve
Many thanks Steve. Going to order some of the items you've listed. I've never purchased from Bangood. Is it worth paying the various insurances they offer?
Helpful advice Steve. What life do you expect for the carbide inserts. I have been using a similar brand for parting off and find that the inserts only last a few cuts.
I find the inserts excellent. The same as any well known brands really. People say that it is the ones made in India that are useless. There must be something seriously wrong if your inserts only last a few cuts. I have just made several steel components using one edge and the insert still doesn't need changing. I only use the titanium coated or blue nano inserts though.
@@SteveJordan My parting inserts are from China. They are definitely inferior to the Kennatool inserts I normally use. Maybe I should try blue nano inserts as you suggest. The holder tool is identical to one shown in your video.
@@ALA-uv7jq Hi Yes I forgot about those. The part-off inserts are not all that good yet, definitely no comparison to Kennametal, Iscar or Sandvik part-off inserts. All the turning tool inserts seem good to me though. I'm hoping they will improve the part-off inserts at some point.
@@SteveJordan Thanks. Yeh I only referred to parting inserts.The parting tool holder MGEHR 12-2 seems robust enough, just the inserts don't last, especially in s/s. I have ordered a set of blue nano type. Lets see how they go. Cheers.
i haven't yet purchased a chinese mini lathe. your videos have convinced me that it would be a worthwhile purchase. however, i am stalled at the point of purchase. there are so many on offer by various resellers, as well as direct from manufacturer on alibaba. there also seem to be some variations on machine capacity and motor power, as well as purchase price. it would be very helpful if you would do a bit of research, and address these issues, and make recommendations. again, many many thanks for your work.
Recently I purchased a used 7x12, and coincidentally purchased as well the same tooling with inserts, that your using. Unfortunately for me I had to grind about a 16th of a inch off the bottom of the one of the tools I have tried out, to indeed center it with the work!? Question is, would the quick change tool post w the adjustability make it to where I don't have to ruin and grind down the rest of my tools to be centered and not too high? ( Judging by yours lining up just fine I assume my fixed standard tool holder is my issue?) Thanks. (Edit added 2nd question) I'd like to get a indipendent 4jaw to upgrade, do you have the backing plate part # for the 3 bolt flange adapter to fit a 3 or 4 bolt 5inch chuck? Or just as well what do you have? Thanks again
Hi Kevin. If you had a quick change toolpost set that would allow proper centre height positioning as long as your tool thanks are not greater the 12mm square. I have got a backing plate for the 5 inch 4 jaw chuck. I think you can get the plates from Chronos uk. Regards Steve
It doesn't really matter. I only buy the Blue Nano for hard materials, but I have found the titanium coated ones very good as well. They just don't last so long on stainless steel etc, but then again they are very low cost. Regards Steve
I wouldn't recommend the 100pc drill bits they failed miserably when drilling mild steel, I had to break out my expensive Bosch drills. Haven't tested the lathe tools yet
Has the live center set always been $99? Because that is significantly more than all the other tools in the list, I was just curious if that's what you paid or it has gone up.
That is the price. It is great value for money though for what it is and the excellent quality. I saw a similar set in the UK that was double the price.
If you check the carbide inserts, none of them are actually sharp, they have a 'flat' near cutting edge and are designed for higher speeds and feeds The mini lathe cuts better with HSS but you do have to learn how to sharpen lathe tools from blanks with a bench grinder. I think using carbide inserts is the main reason people give up with the mini lathe or burn out controllers?
Hi Peter, That isn't at all correct. Carbide inserts have a radius not a flat, which is how they are designed. They also do not 'burn out quickly' unless one is using them incorrectly. I use the 070204 insert tools and an edge on one of those will last a very long time even on stainless steel. Carbide inserts also have the advantage in that one can change an edge quickly and the centre height and tool position remains exactly the same. I personally think they are the best type of tooling for lathes and CNC machine tools. Also if one is new to machining, buying a mini lathe, with all its problems from new, plus having to learn to grind tools is what puts many people off. Its generally all too much for people to find out how to do things unless one is truly dedicated and perseveres. Also the Chinese Mini Lathe, has duff electronics from new, if it has the same electronic boards etc, that my 9 year old Amadeal lathe had. (I don't know if they have been upgraded now?) I have over 30 years experience in engineering, yet I had two of these boards break down and also had to replace the potentiometer about a dozen times over an eight year period. A DC motor set-up isn't all that good for a lathe. Plus when buying a Chinese Mini Lathe they need quite a bit of work to get things like the slides rigid enough for proper machining It is great to learn how to grind HSS tooling though and I do have many specially ground HSS tools for specific purposes, like internal/ external o/ring grooves etc. I just think with the amount one has to learn at the beginning, its best to start with insert tooling. One can also get good knowledge from these tools, how they work etc before trying to grind HSS blanks. I personally will stick to insert tooling as it is truly excellent in every way.
@@SteveJordan I think you misunderstood me about burn out. The mini lathe controllers burn out power mosfet if overloaded which is quite easy to do with carbide inserts. With a x10 loupe it's easy to see they are 'blunt'. Saying that, my mini lathe is about 14~15 yrs old and still going strong, but, I'm very careful not to overload motor.. I was given a mini mill with burned out controller, but that's another story
The UK suppliers buy these tools from China for very low cost, Then massively increase the prices for re-sale. I would rather get the things for low cost as well. There are those that tell people to support UK suppliers, but most people can't afford to pay the extra costs and be charitable these days with this type of thing.
You'd be better off paying Steve. He's providing what you would traditionally have paid a UK retailer for: expertise in why/how to use these tools. The other value proposition of the supplier (and maybe the retailer) would have traditionally been the ability acquire the goods. That value proposition isn't relevant in this case.
Thank you Steve for introducing the MGEHR 1212 grooving and parting tool.
I just got it for my ML7 and I am very pleased with the first results.
I used it to groove and to cut a piece of 1,5" irontube. No chatter at all, nice chips and an absolutely clean cut.
Never was grooving and cutting easier for me.
Great video Steve, thank you.
I now have a set of these and am very impressed. I also have a set of thr blue nano inserts on order. I cannot tell you how much I am learning from your superb videos.
Thanks for watching and for your encouraging feedback.
Hi Steve just started Lathe work,and watching your excellent tutorials.Great to have your input on what is the best buy.Saves learning by my mistakes.Thank you.
Thank you sir I started a new hobby because of your videos thanks again.
Splendid video Steve! Thanx for keeping us abreast of products that will serve well and hold up with tough use.
Steve, very helpful! Thankyou for sharing your knowledge. I appreciate you.
Many thanks for the lesson. I did learn a lot today. Appreciated.
Glad I found your video which is the information I was looking for, you have been very helpful and much appreciated.
Steve... THANK YOU for yet another GREAT Video for us new Guys! I find many of your Videos a GREAT resource for "WHAT TO GET" and "HOW TO USE"! I'm looking forward to making some of your projects!
For those of us that have a Chinese Mini Lathe I say THANK YOU for using it in your videos!!! It is GREAT to watch you use a Lathe like the one I have. Being Disabled, money is VERY tight. All you do (TH-cam Videos with Mini Lathe) gives me hope I can afford to use my Mill one day having the right Tooling thanks to you!!!
I'd say you are the best Product Rep. Banggood has! Keep up the GREAT work!!!
Wishing you and yours a VERY Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
Best regards,
Willie
Thank you Steve. Very much appriciated.
Thanks Steve a very useful video, great for my entry level of lathe competency.
just started watching your videos GREAT !!
I also bought a set of the HSS nitrided spiral taps.
The quality is excellent.
Good Video, I think I now need to order a few cutters for my Myford.
exactly what I was looking for!
Thanks Steve, Now that I'm getting my lathe dialed in I ordered these insert tools. Great price and I'll bet, a whole lot better that the braised carbide tip tools I should have never have purchased. My fault though as I ordered too small and they don't cut worth a smack. Thanks for all your vids
From my family to yours have a Merry Christmas and A Happy New Year, thank you for this year’s awesome content and I am looking forward to next year’s surprises.
From Elliot Lake Ontario Canada.
Excellent video very informative thank you.
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Steve, does bang good sell standard fractional hss drill bits? I'm placing an order for tools for my Jet mini lathe. I try to watch all your videos cause you give lots of good information for the new machinist. Thankyou
Great video Steve thanks for sharing keep up the good work brother 👍🏻
Based on your videos I have purchased the set of turning tools that use the DCMT 070204 inserts. Also, the Blue Nano inserts have been a good buy in terms of cost and product fit and finish!
Bought the 100pcs drill bit set.
Good price.
Thank you for the info
How have they worked? You got extremely lucky and you should play lottery next week if the drills are good.
Thank you for the information in this video. The only thing I did not see was what type of tool you use for finishing. Can you please elaborate some on that tool?
Hi Chris I use the same DCMT 070204 insert tool for roughing and finishing. Regards Steve
Good info Steve you got me interested in banggood thanks🤠👍
Very nice sir, thank you
I have a Serline lathe, in a Paxton/Patterson enclosure, it is a pretty short one and standard length drills won't really fit. How long are the bigger drills?
is the name for right and left hand tools interchanged in the video @8:30-11:43 ??
Cheers, helped me a lot.
hi steve just got myself the carbide tool set thanks for a great video, i,ve got a myford ml7r are the dickson qctp all the same and the holders i don,t want to get the wrong post hope you can advise me thanks john
Hi John Thanks, there are different quickchange toolposts but if you just get the ones listed for the Myford or Chinese Mini Lathe they are both the same size. It is one of the best things I have bought for my lathes. You must be pleased to have a Myford ML7R. Regards Steve
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Steve, thanks: yet another informative video for beginners like me. What I worry about buying from Banggood is the risk of getting hit with import duty and fines. Any comment or advice?
I haven't paid any import duties yet
I see on the checkout one can sometimes pay a small charge usually under 2 pounds to cancel out any import charges.
if im running the #250-000 wedge type quick change tool post on a ML7 and use the 12mm shank tools used here, will it o low enough to get correct tool height without having to machine the top slide?
No it is limited if I remember rightly. I will re check it tomorrow as I have an un machined compound slide as well. I am pretty sure the 12mm tools are too high. Regards Steve
@@SteveJordan thanks mate
Many thanks Steve. Going to order some of the items you've listed. I've never purchased from Bangood. Is it worth paying the various insurances they offer?
Helpful advice Steve. What life do you expect for the carbide inserts. I have been using a similar brand for parting off and find that the inserts only last a few cuts.
I find the inserts excellent. The same as any well known brands really. People say that it is the ones made in India that are useless. There must be something seriously wrong if your inserts only last a few cuts. I have just made several steel components using one edge and the insert still doesn't need changing. I only use the titanium coated or blue nano inserts though.
@@SteveJordan My parting inserts are from China. They are definitely inferior to the Kennatool inserts I normally use. Maybe I should try blue nano inserts as you suggest. The holder tool is identical to one shown in your video.
@@ALA-uv7jq Hi Yes I forgot about those. The part-off inserts are not all that good yet, definitely no comparison to Kennametal, Iscar or Sandvik part-off inserts. All the turning tool inserts seem good to me though. I'm hoping they will improve the part-off inserts at some point.
@@SteveJordan Thanks. Yeh I only referred to parting inserts.The parting tool holder MGEHR 12-2 seems robust enough, just the inserts don't last, especially in s/s. I have ordered a set of blue nano type. Lets see how they go. Cheers.
Steve, you should be knighted for your service to the amateur machining community!
i haven't yet purchased a chinese mini lathe. your videos have convinced me that it would be a worthwhile purchase. however, i am stalled at the point of purchase. there are so many on offer by various resellers, as well as direct from manufacturer on alibaba. there also seem to be some variations on machine capacity and motor power, as well as purchase price.
it would be very helpful if you would do a bit of research, and address these issues, and make recommendations.
again, many many thanks for your work.
Recently I purchased a used 7x12, and coincidentally purchased as well the same tooling with inserts, that your using. Unfortunately for me I had to grind about a 16th of a inch off the bottom of the one of the tools I have tried out, to indeed center it with the work!?
Question is, would the quick change tool post w the adjustability make it to where I don't have to ruin and grind down the rest of my tools to be centered and not too high? ( Judging by yours lining up just fine I assume my fixed standard tool holder is my issue?) Thanks.
(Edit added 2nd question) I'd like to get a indipendent 4jaw to upgrade, do you have the backing plate part # for the 3 bolt flange adapter to fit a 3 or 4 bolt 5inch chuck? Or just as well what do you have? Thanks again
Hi Kevin. If you had a quick change toolpost set that would allow proper centre height positioning as long as your tool thanks are not greater the 12mm square. I have got a backing plate for the 5 inch 4 jaw chuck. I think you can get the plates from Chronos uk. Regards Steve
@@SteveJordan thank you
What would be best for my 12 inch atlas,,, blue nano are titanium?
It doesn't really matter. I only buy the Blue Nano for hard materials, but I have found the titanium coated ones very good as well. They just don't last so long on stainless steel etc, but then again they are very low cost. Regards Steve
Will these work on a Sherline 4000 ??
Hi yes they will but check out what shank size will fit in the toolpost. You can get them with 8mm shanks if you need a smaller size. Regards Steve
question what type of tool post is that ty
It is a Dixon Quick change toolpost
I wouldn't recommend the 100pc drill bits they failed miserably when drilling mild steel, I had to break out my expensive Bosch drills. Haven't tested the lathe tools yet
Has the live center set always been $99? Because that is significantly more than all the other tools in the list, I was just curious if that's what you paid or it has gone up.
That is the price. It is great value for money though for what it is and the excellent quality. I saw a similar set in the UK that was double the price.
If you check the carbide inserts, none of them are actually sharp, they have a 'flat' near cutting edge and are designed for higher speeds and feeds The mini lathe cuts better with HSS but you do have to learn how to sharpen lathe tools from blanks with a bench grinder. I think using carbide inserts is the main reason people give up with the mini lathe or burn out controllers?
Hi Peter, That isn't at all correct. Carbide inserts have a radius not a flat, which is how they are designed. They also do not 'burn out quickly' unless one is using them incorrectly.
I use the 070204 insert tools and an edge on one of those will last a very long time even on stainless steel. Carbide inserts also have the advantage in that one can change an edge quickly and the centre height and tool position remains exactly the same. I personally think they are the best type of tooling for lathes and CNC machine tools.
Also if one is new to machining, buying a mini lathe, with all its problems from new, plus having to learn to grind tools is what puts many people off. Its generally all too much for people to find out how to do things unless one is truly dedicated and perseveres.
Also the Chinese Mini Lathe, has duff electronics from new, if it has the same electronic boards etc, that my 9 year old Amadeal lathe had. (I don't know if they have been upgraded now?) I have over 30 years experience in engineering, yet I had two of these boards break down and also had to replace the potentiometer about a dozen times over an eight year period. A DC motor set-up isn't all that good for a lathe. Plus when buying a Chinese Mini Lathe they need quite a bit of work to get things like the slides rigid enough for proper machining
It is great to learn how to grind HSS tooling though and I do have many specially ground HSS tools for specific purposes, like internal/ external o/ring grooves etc. I just think with the amount one has to learn at the beginning, its best to start with insert tooling. One can also get good knowledge from these tools, how they work etc before trying to grind HSS blanks. I personally will stick to insert tooling as it is truly excellent in every way.
@@SteveJordan I think you misunderstood me about burn out. The mini lathe controllers burn out power mosfet if overloaded which is quite easy to do with carbide inserts. With a x10 loupe it's easy to see they are 'blunt'. Saying that, my mini lathe is about 14~15 yrs old and still going strong, but, I'm very careful not to overload motor.. I was given a mini mill with burned out controller, but that's another story
How about some UK suppliers instead of Banggood for everything.
The UK suppliers buy these tools from China for very low cost, Then massively increase the prices for re-sale. I would rather get the things for low cost as well. There are those that tell people to support UK suppliers, but most people can't afford to pay the extra costs and be charitable these days with this type of thing.
You'd be better off paying Steve. He's providing what you would traditionally have paid a UK retailer for: expertise in why/how to use these tools. The other value proposition of the supplier (and maybe the retailer) would have traditionally been the ability acquire the goods. That value proposition isn't relevant in this case.
good prices, but looks like most of their stuff is metric, not much use here in USA