The item health specifically was probably meant to nerf the item for champions with insanely high base health, or who have their own health stacking mechanics such as cho, sion and the % buff from Ornn. Not to make the champions weaker, per say, just to keep them from scaling rapidly out of control. Just so happens to benefit pike who has a reverse health scaling passive
@@mask9127 technically not “reverse” but Pyke in a vacuum gets worse when converting gold / rune slots / whatever resource to HP due to the opportunity cost of simply getting an equivalent amount of AD which would be higher than the rate of his passive.
16:06 - look at this double ult. Awesome. Asking for a tank Cassiopeia. Days asked: 363, days skipped: 7, winrate: 98.108% Close to a full year... Core items: Archangel's, Heartsteel OR Iceborn Gauntlet, Riftmaker (for HP to AP conversion) AND/OR Liandry's Situational items (pick some): Rod of Ages, Rylai's, Cosmic Drive, Frozen Heart, Abbysal Mask, Spirit Visage, Force of Nature, Kaenic, Jak'Sho, Warmog's Primary runes: Grasp, Demolish, Conditioning, Overgrowth OR standard Conqueror. Secondary runes: Manaflow, Gathering Storm OR Presence of mind, Last stand. Extra facts: You want Archangel's first, because Cass is so mana hungry. Gauntlet might work, because with E you'll proc it often. Heartsteel will easily proc because you're ranged and fast. For the same reason Rylai's will be excellent for kiting, just like bruiser Ashe. Spirit Visage synergizes with your E healing and Seraph's shielding. "My viewers BEGGED me for a Tank Cassiopeia build... And it's actually busted" My thanks for supporting this suggestion (in many ways) go to: GiovanniBoss, Lena Miaou, D.Lockholm, FashionSuckMan, Thaddeus Hill, Gustavo Martirena, Kuroji, Maja, Jänix Burger, Fitzgerald Stanbury Weiss the 5th, Dávid Hidvégi, TimmyMicBobbins, cozuuz-. I like any feedback on this comment!
The one big problem with this build, is that to stack the heartsteel, you need to stay close to then enemy for a length of time. To do that you need survivablity. Normally heartsteel provides that, but not for pike. So for this to work well against good teams, I think there needs to be suvivability in the build. Either armor, MR, shields, lifesteal. The heartsteel is going to stack AD infinitely anyways, so I think more tank items in the build would be more interesting. I think maybe thornmail or dead man's against AD heavy teams. Maybe spirit visage against heavy AP. Jak'sho or athema's are generically good. Maybe not full tank build, but I think some would make it more interesting.
Jaksho, force of nature and deadman’s? Not only do you have both armour and mr, you also get a LOT of move speed, and dead man’s damage scales off your ad OR just go edge of night, it has hp, lethality and ad, and provides a spell shield for heartsteel stacks
You wouldn’t get any extra item hp, honestly I think just going an extra hp item would stack ad faster via the increased heartsteel scaling If you want a lethality item in the build I think edge of night is the way to go, it has item hp
Yeah because he totally knew that zwags stun was gonna be up???????? He did his job right by trying to save zwag but zwag wanted to continue fighting on 50 hp.
Agree completely. Zwag shouldve either gotten hit by the bard r to stop the tick damage of ignite or dash away. Then bard couldve stunned and clean with teemo@@whindmane612
This was something I messed with and it works. Doesn't give him bonus HP but helps with HP regen and AD stacking. Surprised more people arent doing it.
One known chineese or korean chall is playing wu that way. But he relied on ludens, so afther cuting off item cdr throu damage procs with what ap wu could proc 2 -3 times that item pasive per fight no wis dead slot.
Go tank shaco. It's easier to stack Hearstill cause it doesnt show the indicator to the enemies now. Does a lot of damage too depending on what you build
Question: And what about to go crit with that glitch? Maybe you can't reach 667. but even with 600, a crit with Infinity blade can be SO funnnnn... I have to try that ^^
The problem with Pyke is : His abilities scale off LETHALITY. If you don't build items with this stat , you will be utterly useless. I get that this is a fun build or something , but it's simply not good + your teammates will flame you for it .
yes and no, did the math, this build has a higher execute threshold until 4 items, the only ability that is worse is his W (e does more damage, stun is shorter)
The bug with pyke is heart steel stacks scale off health, pyke at lv 18 can not gain more hp so the amount of hp given by heart should stay the same but for some reason it keeps going up as if pyke is gaining hp
Warmogs 800 item hp should be 57 AD + insane regen, but you already have some regen built in so 🤷. 31:00 "he didn't get elder execute somehow" 😂 forgot it was just showing his own ULT thresh hold and they didn't have elder. 😂
Man I wanted you to have a good lane but that Talon is Iron at best. Bro has no lock down and sought to try to out scale Pyke knowing damn well how slippery he can be. He also just continued aggression when behind instead of cutting loses and roaming like Talon should at 6.
Start an attack speed series, on champs that you normally wouldn't . Like your morde video, pkye with 3.0 attack speed is funny, same with nasus. Some champs it's just to watch then swing far faster than you would ever expect.
Heartsteel has always worked and given him ad, the hp from items has also always increased the stacks b Heartsteel gives I played a practice tool last season to see how it’d work and yeah.
The problem was that Heartsteel would take your total hp and give you a percent of that for each stack, a slight problem for pyke because his hp never actually increases because of his passive. Now that it only looks at item hp (a nerf for champs like sion or cho) it doesnt matter that his health never increases because the items still give HP, meaning that as you get more items each proc of heartsteel will give you more hp and do more dmg. In comparison to before when it would always give you the same amount of health and do the same amount of dmg because pykes passive never let him gain HP.
There is this really wild glitch were Titanic gives unlimited AD, scaling with HP! And Hearsteel gives infinite HP! Infinite glitch! Cmon man :/ nice click bait
The item health specifically was probably meant to nerf the item for champions with insanely high base health, or who have their own health stacking mechanics such as cho, sion and the % buff from Ornn. Not to make the champions weaker, per say, just to keep them from scaling rapidly out of control. Just so happens to benefit pike who has a reverse health scaling passive
Yeah let's make Cho feel even worse to play.
idk having to rush Heartsteel mythic feels trash compared to getting to pick your items and not having a huge forced synergy with it
What do you mean by pyke having a reverse scaling?
@@mask9127 technically not “reverse” but Pyke in a vacuum gets worse when converting gold / rune slots / whatever resource to HP due to the opportunity cost of simply getting an equivalent amount of AD which would be higher than the rate of his passive.
so if the AD champ building AD is a foregone conclusion, building HP would eat into his AD by taking the money that’d be spent on that stat.
16:06 - look at this double ult. Awesome.
Asking for a tank Cassiopeia. Days asked: 363, days skipped: 7, winrate: 98.108%
Close to a full year...
Core items: Archangel's, Heartsteel OR Iceborn Gauntlet, Riftmaker (for HP to AP conversion) AND/OR Liandry's
Situational items (pick some): Rod of Ages, Rylai's, Cosmic Drive, Frozen Heart, Abbysal Mask, Spirit Visage, Force of Nature, Kaenic, Jak'Sho, Warmog's
Primary runes: Grasp, Demolish, Conditioning, Overgrowth OR standard Conqueror.
Secondary runes: Manaflow, Gathering Storm OR Presence of mind, Last stand.
Extra facts:
You want Archangel's first, because Cass is so mana hungry.
Gauntlet might work, because with E you'll proc it often.
Heartsteel will easily proc because you're ranged and fast. For the same reason Rylai's will be excellent for kiting, just like bruiser Ashe.
Spirit Visage synergizes with your E healing and Seraph's shielding.
"My viewers BEGGED me for a Tank Cassiopeia build... And it's actually busted"
My thanks for supporting this suggestion (in many ways) go to: GiovanniBoss, Lena Miaou, D.Lockholm, FashionSuckMan, Thaddeus Hill, Gustavo Martirena, Kuroji, Maja, Jänix Burger, Fitzgerald Stanbury Weiss the 5th, Dávid Hidvégi, TimmyMicBobbins, cozuuz-. I like any feedback on this comment!
Buddy went and planned the whole thing for @zwag what a legend
@@proveitbrother5089 Nah, legend... Gotta make it special somehow, that's all
What is bro yapping about
Whaaaaaaaaat the fuck
The one big problem with this build, is that to stack the heartsteel, you need to stay close to then enemy for a length of time. To do that you need survivablity. Normally heartsteel provides that, but not for pike. So for this to work well against good teams, I think there needs to be suvivability in the build. Either armor, MR, shields, lifesteal. The heartsteel is going to stack AD infinitely anyways, so I think more tank items in the build would be more interesting. I think maybe thornmail or dead man's against AD heavy teams. Maybe spirit visage against heavy AP. Jak'sho or athema's are generically good. Maybe not full tank build, but I think some would make it more interesting.
Aint stoneplate gone?
@@delirious8424 I meant deadman's. I always mix up the names. Even with stoneplate gone I still mix them up.
dd is the only survivability you can get as damage pyke
Jaksho, force of nature and deadman’s? Not only do you have both armour and mr, you also get a LOT of move speed, and dead man’s damage scales off your ad
OR just go edge of night, it has hp, lethality and ad, and provides a spell shield for heartsteel stacks
That kha is clueless
“Did Zwag get the first 6 CS?”
No, he missed a caster minion
Lose Streak: 2
day uh 463 of waiting for grandpas son to return
should've went hubris for extra stacking
that would just slow down the process can u please use ur brain just this once
@@aazxcasd 👆🤓
mundo w in the bathtub@@aazxcasd
@@aazxcasd my brother in christ that's called SCALING
but if you think otherwise that's ok 👍
I wonder how well this would work with swapping in a Hubris as 3rd/4th item to double stack the AD
What if tytanic hydra too? Triple stack?
@@dheiyomain6775 it doesnt give ad anymore, just onhit based on health
@@dheiyomain6775 I thought of that too! But Pyke already converts any extra HP he gets into AD so the Titanic Hydra would be pointless!
You wouldn’t get any extra item hp, honestly I think just going an extra hp item would stack ad faster via the increased heartsteel scaling
If you want a lethality item in the build I think edge of night is the way to go, it has item hp
@@billylionisnotagoat that depends entirely on if you get the regen buff or not since you need bonus hp, if it works though I agee
the way you dissed kha hurts my jgl main soul
@Meowslerhe’s a challenger player playing in an almost full iron lobby…
@@james8002He wishes he was a challenger player.
Good episode of BRONZE ADVENTURES
Day 17 of asking for full attack speed Zoe
Think he did that already
Day 2 returning supporting
Fk that, full onhit orianna
When? @@bluntedsage
I can't find the new video
14:58 truly a Bard moment
Yeah because he totally knew that zwags stun was gonna be up???????? He did his job right by trying to save zwag but zwag wanted to continue fighting on 50 hp.
Agree completely. Zwag shouldve either gotten hit by the bard r to stop the tick damage of ignite or dash away. Then bard couldve stunned and clean with teemo@@whindmane612
Thanks for the great vid Zwag!
so if you were to get this and the stack ad lethality weapon... how much ad would you end up at...
14:57 I don’t think that bard ult was bad, zwag was dead anyway
You should redo this with Hubris and gathering storm. See how high you can max pykes ad xD
This was something I messed with and it works. Doesn't give him bonus HP but helps with HP regen and AD stacking. Surprised more people arent doing it.
12:40 How did Pyke heal under ignite? I thought his passive works when he's not in vision and ignite reveals the target.
for whatever reason pyke either isn't revealed by ignite or heals through it
I want to see zwag build warmogs once before I die.
20:24 this mf just had some bars damn
15:42 truly a Homelander moment
Now imagine a Pyke with heartsteal and hubris
worse stacking than just heartsteel and a bruiser item
At the time, the stacking wasn't clear. I was just imagining getting +4 ad every time he met a squishy champion. I hope you have a great day :D
You are good at every champion in your videos. 👍
Went to like after “I’m bard and I’m helping” and then realized I already like the video lmao
So I counted what each heart steel stack gave and at the end of the match you got 65 ad from the stacks alone.
You can just divide the number shown on heartsteal (976) by 14. And doing this you’ll find it actually gave 69.7 extra AD at the end
Next time you could also add in a Huburis for double ad stacking on kills.
movespeed boots gets insane value from a pyke mid. u can beat the timing before your ult expires for one or more kills
So. Wukong's E has decent ap scaling. Perhaps playable mid with a build with lichbane, nashors and perhaps riftmaker?
One known chineese or korean chall is playing wu that way. But he relied on ludens, so afther cuting off item cdr throu damage procs with what ap wu could proc 2 -3 times that item pasive per fight no wis dead slot.
Zwag you should do ultimate infinite ad build and add a hubris
Favorite moment of the video:
( ) Epic executions
(X) "MY CANNON!!"
Does warmogs regen work with pyke?
So I am not an editor but....if you loop 07:15-07:17, you could have a sick beat...
What song is playing at 8:00?
Hey zwag try Yorick attack speed with lethal tempo its really good
Go tank shaco. It's easier to stack Hearstill cause it doesnt show the indicator to the enemies now. Does a lot of damage too depending on what you build
i know you are delaying your first item but, but why not go tiamat first item agains a melee like Talon?
as someone who runs this build over the assassin build. stridebreaker is a better tiamat item than titanic
No way you let Gamer Dad swag on you like that 😢
Relentless Hunter might be better since almost every item in the build has couldown. More stacks too !
14:05 “SURPRISE MF!” -Malphite
Fr
Bro deserved to be called Fart instead of Bard for that goober play😮
I’ve been playing this in aram since heartsteel came out
bard couldve ulted that tower when you roamed bot the first time, would've made it easier
Attack speed trundle ?:)
Bruiser Pyke doesn’t exist, bruiser Pyke can’t hurt you
I wish you went warmogs just so I can see ur ad sky rocket
Could it work supp?
lol, I started playing Pyke Heart Steel long time ago, before it was nerfed XD
Kinda forget he built the heartsteel and was thinking why tf is pyke so big
Pretty sure Pyke gains 0 size from heartsteel due to heartsteels size scaling with bonus HP, and pykes passive doesn't allow him to gain any bonus hp
Isn't heartsteel than full crit better?
Im proud to say ive been doing this build for over 3 years
I love that talon skin
now do pyke attack speed build😁😁
Stacking lethality still gives more ult dmg than health/ad
PLC Play Talon ,kassadin , Nocturne 😊
So they nerfed it for sion swain and grasp?
And Cho
Hey have u thought of playing Ksante? Just make him unkillable raid boss
Question: And what about to go crit with that glitch? Maybe you can't reach 667. but even with 600, a crit with Infinity blade can be SO funnnnn... I have to try that ^^
who is this Mike Anon, that he always talks about??
667 is a lmited number tho
I thought u'd get smth past the limit into negatives
crit pyke is OP AF now s15
Day 1 of asking for max movement speed ad cho'gath
rip the khaix no leash oof
Vex gameplay please? 😁
The problem with Pyke is : His abilities scale off LETHALITY. If you don't build items with this stat , you will be utterly useless. I get that this is a fun build or something , but it's simply not good + your teammates will flame you for it .
yes and no, did the math, this build has a higher execute threshold until 4 items, the only ability that is worse is his W (e does more damage, stun is shorter)
Hi zwag
The bug with pyke is heart steel stacks scale off health, pyke at lv 18 can not gain more hp so the amount of hp given by heart should stay the same but for some reason it keeps going up as if pyke is gaining hp
This is explained in the first 20 seconds
You baited bot lane so hard with that terrible dive lol
Its not a glitch its a *feature* there is a difference between the two
You'll note that every video title is basically clickbait. But it works, so I can't complain even as my hope for the species withers and dies.
Zwag StrideB doesn't do dmg on the actice now :/
You should try this with hubris too
You know what else stacks ad? AD items!
Warmogs 800 item hp should be 57 AD + insane regen, but you already have some regen built in so 🤷. 31:00 "he didn't get elder execute somehow" 😂 forgot it was just showing his own ULT thresh hold and they didn't have elder. 😂
I don't think warmogs regen can even activate on pyke
@@HF-cx4wl Really?! Why not?
@@Tank22080 pyke can never meet the activation condition: have >800 bonus health, since he converts his bonus health to AD.
@@herbalbeverage Oh ty didn't understand his passive.
Day 2 of asking for attack speed sona
day 24 of sleeping to zwag's vid
Man I wanted you to have a good lane but that Talon is Iron at best. Bro has no lock down and sought to try to out scale Pyke knowing damn well how slippery he can be. He also just continued aggression when behind instead of cutting loses and roaming like Talon should at 6.
I’m trying this ASAP
hmmm i might try this now
Day one of asking for tank Naafiri support
heartsteel always stacked AD. u just notice 3 month ago is different.
Start an attack speed series, on champs that you normally wouldn't . Like your morde video, pkye with 3.0 attack speed is funny, same with nasus. Some champs it's just to watch then swing far faster than you would ever expect.
Where do you live 2010?
Just add Hubirs to this build
Build's cool and all but Pyke's Lethality Scaling is a lot stronger than Heartsteel will be, I know it's just a meme build but just saying lol
Nice passive
Here before good ol Kyle.
Day 1 of asking for full ap tristana in jungle
No one going to ask about the ffs?
2400 health with 700+ heartsteel how?
pyke cant gain health
Play Darius with heartsteel now
Now
Is it me or does he barely use wards?
Kha asking Midland for leash is crazy
wow great!
Pyke will always be my auto ban...I don't care.. love to see good pyke games, but I'm NEVER playing a game with that guy
Heartsteel has always worked and given him ad, the hp from items has also always increased the stacks b
Heartsteel gives I played a practice tool last season to see how it’d work and yeah.
The problem was that Heartsteel would take your total hp and give you a percent of that for each stack, a slight problem for pyke because his hp never actually increases because of his passive. Now that it only looks at item hp (a nerf for champs like sion or cho) it doesnt matter that his health never increases because the items still give HP, meaning that as you get more items each proc of heartsteel will give you more hp and do more dmg. In comparison to before when it would always give you the same amount of health and do the same amount of dmg because pykes passive never let him gain HP.
Day 2 of asking for a Viktor game
Day 1 asking for vampire Vladimir with hearthsteel, Riftmaker and Spirit Visage
There is this really wild glitch were Titanic gives unlimited AD, scaling with HP! And Hearsteel gives infinite HP! Infinite glitch!
Cmon man :/ nice click bait
You can't stack health wise spike why going for such a useless item then?
Paper zero game bruh
I didn't need this much stress however it was fun :D