Don't worry they won't....they desirved pain to get them off this earth for what they did to their fellow man or woman but hell? that's man made....and why do people believe the word writtin by men to control other men....in all my years going to a church i never saw anything happen as that book said it would.
@@Eddieguitarloebs Hi, Eddie! Hope you don't mind my chiming in. Tragically, most churches in America do not preach very much at all about the existence of hell. In my opinion, it is because it is so disturbing, so repulsive, and it offends people. Here is a video which complements what I am saying: th-cam.com/video/fcOzTZUOBn0/w-d-xo.html&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR0rfffrpMmb7c3vFO_kWu-e1in4sX_nS60LHbXqEIFy3mFVPzlqukV4SVE Yes, God loves you, but He is also the Sovereign Creator of the universe, and He is our Holy (perfect) Judge. The bottom line is He gets to make the rules, and He is not like us. He is eternal, omnipotent God, and we are mere mortals. I hope you will reflect deeply upon the possibility that the existence of hell may be very, very true and it's more real than we can fathom. I would not want anyone to go there.
@@BradJameson You have to understand a broader aspect of all this...your feelings and opinion are fine,it's just that they are base'd off your belief in what is written in a book,which ive never seen no tangable truth in what it says in many years of attending church..I know there is a creator of everything and calling it God works..But God as portrayed in the Bible or any other book i have trouble blindly excepting it as from God...I just don't have the room to type the way i see all this right here,but we all need to open our eye's to bigger possibilities, and if God as the bible says knows your every thought and prayer before you even ask,then certianly he would understand why a man could have doubt about a book that can't be proved to be true.....also i used to believe with all of my heart in Jesus,so if that was enough to recieve his "ETERNAL LIFE" then im there no matter what i think now..and nothing can snatch you out of Gods hands right? Not even yourself.
@@Eddieguitarloebs Hey, Eddie! Thank you for your response. You've mentioned that you've seen no tangible truth in what the Bible says. Could you give me an example? And yes, I would wholeheartedly agree that God understands how a man can have doubts. Two things I would point you to would be fulfillment of prophecies and archeology as providing more evidence of not only the existence of God, but His sovereignty over time and affairs of man. The connections between the old and new testaments, for example, are astounding, and when you couple that with archeological discoveries which then further support biblical accounts, then it's hard to deny...very good discussing these things with you :)
Yeah, the way eternal torture advocates perform mental gymnastics on the topic of hell is just so sad... The wages of sin is death, not eternal life while suffering.
Here is my issue. I'm voicing it respectively and if you have something to offer, please do. I've been on this spiritual journey my entire life; from vacation Bible School as a child which terrorized my soul for the fear of hell if I wasn't saved, to studying and exploring other religions in college to this place I'm at now where I believe in God but perhaps not in the traditional, Christian sense but rather in an acknowledgement that correlates quite beautifully and harmoniously with this world He created which I'd like to explain. God created our bodies & minds. God created the universe as we know it. Basically, *God gave us the ability to know it*. To say it is a delusion or illusion is to suggest an intentional misdirection on behalf of the Lord. Our world consists of order, laws of nature, observable truths that are constant. It does now so isn't it only rational to believe it always has? If this is correct, it means that God created it *this* way, in other words with this design. If we deny it, then aren't we're also denying Him? Christianity is the prevalent religion in the US which tends to suggest that we are the majority but globally, that's not true at all. Why then, do we have zero doubt that everyone else got it wrong? Ironically, these other religions believe the same with respect to their beliefs. Furthermore, we as Christians have denounced the rest of the world & judged them all as bound for hell. Do we actually believe that God would cast them all away even tho for many, the only way they've ever known is thru the cultural beliefs of their communities? How is that fair or just? I could keep right on going but even TH-cam has character limits. Many will cast this comment aside because it raises questions we should be asking. They aren't blasphemous or ill intentioned in any way yet people find it much easier to avoid them than to directly address them. At that point we really should be asking why. Denying them isn't doing any a favor, especially in this current day & age when our ability to explore them is greater than ever.
Yh bit how do we know that if they knew Christianity they will choose it? I'm not sure if it's biblical but I think, I mean its in the Bible and I think for those ppl who didn't know about Christianity they have a time when they will know and they can choose. The thousand year millennium. I'm not sure tho. But one thing I am sure about is that those ppl who don't know about Christianity, if they did and would've chosen God if they did they will go to heaven. Somehow Jesus will send them the truth. Check on TH-cam how many ppl from the Middle East r having visions about Jesus. U can check it. I know that God will be just and fair.
i am at a very similar place in my faith. unfortunately, the church doesnt allow questions to be asked because if you don't understand something or doubt that the teaching aligns with who God is, they label you a heretic and excommunicate you from the church. there's often no dialogue in evangelical circles. just blindly following pastors. someday maybe people will be allowed to have their own faith journey without being shamed for it.
@@dabawse3625 I am a man seeking faith. And I don't agree with you, because for most people religion is something that came to them when they were young, firstly the family they gre up and extending to the community thet grew up in.... right now I trying to submit myself to the lord but I find myself plagued with so many questions about Christianity, one of them being the one raised here... do you seriously believe that if you where raised in a family of Muslims you would change and become a Christian one day, but although we will never know, I doubt it.... the most plausible thing is that right now you would be saying Islamic is the correct religion.... because every religion has its own history and texts that convices people that their religion is the correct one.... at least that is what I see and think
Aspen, I agree 100%. Like you, I was terrified of going to hell for years, despite being fully committed/hardcore and active daily in my faith. Long story short, I eventually grew out of Christianity. I still respect & admire the faith I was raised in. But I also find God in nature, family, etc.
My limited, and finite, little mind so easily grasps on to the tangible and evident things of this world, raising them up to an improper position to where they eclipse the Source of all things. Christ Jesus humble my sinful heart and help me to forsake the immediate and cling to the eternal hope that you provided when you conquered death. Help me to hate my old man. Amen.
Good luck to you on that one,i prayed with all my heart for ten years and nothing transpired...God as portrayed in the bible is to distant, to out of reach, and i believe the bible was written by men to control people for whatever reason. answered back,..i had my fill of blind faith talking to something that never responds back....if i had just one speck of that then i could truely move mountians, but i don't wast my time on that shit anymore.....Peace to you.
Romans 9-11 has a very happy ending: "God has consigned all to disobedience, that He may have mercy on all. … From Him, and through Him and to Him are all things." (Romans 11:32,36a)
There's such a thing as abandoning wrath. That's what hell is. A parent can punish their child simply by turning away from them, when they are the ones who turned away to begin with.
My husband is confused about the 3 heads in one about God the Father and God the Son, because he truly listens to you, I know that God is using you as a Vessel to help him, get his priorities straight and he has to know that he has to put God before anything and everything, he was truly touched by the video of yours, about putting God first, I have tried but wow I have to say that I seen him crying and saying oh Lord that's me, and he said that he really needs to change, I said that actions speaks louder than words !!! Please send me a reply
Hey Patricia, the nature of God is the trinity, where you have God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. All of them (the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit) are God, but the Father is not the Son, who is not the Holy Spirit, who is not the Father. Hopefully that explanation helps him. And I totally agree, actions speak louder than words! I think it's all about what we treasure more, God or the things of this world. In Matthew 16:24-26 Jesus tells us to pick up our crosses and follow Him. We will suffer in the moment but our eternal reward is so worth it. I am praying for you and your husband now God bless you both
God is limited by his will, if there is something that he does not want to do, he will not do it. He creates us inferior to him, attracted to sin then punishes us ? No one asked to be born, but God is full of spite, plans poorly and according to pastor John the damning act of Adam eating the fruit has a greater affect than Jesus's death on the cross ? So through Adam all are damned and through Christ a select few are saved then ?
What happens to the unsaved? The apostle Paul wrote: ⚫ "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life though Jesus Christ our Lord" (Romans 6:23) There is nothing in that verse about eternal life in some sort of fiery "hell." Unless you receive the gift of eternal life you will perish in what is called the "second death," after resurrection for judgment. After that second death, there is no more hope of life or resurrection. You perish. You're destroyed. You don't exist any more. It's the end of you. Here's a few Bible verses about this: ⚫ "For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be" (Psalms 37:10). ⚫ "When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; it is that they shall be destroyed for ever" (Psalms 92:7). ⚫ "The way of the LORD is strength to the upright: but destruction shall be to the workers of iniquity" (Proverbs 10:29). ⚫ "As the whirlwind passeth, so is the wicked no more: but the righteous is an everlasting foundation" (Proverbs 10:25). ⚫ "Knowest thou not this of old, since man was placed upon earth, That the triumphing of the wicked is short, and the joy of the hypocrite but for a moment? Though his excellency mount up to the heavens, and his head reach unto the clouds; Yet he shall perish for ever like his own dung: they which have seen him shall say, Where is he?" (Job 20:4-7). ⚫ "For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch . . . ⚫ "And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts." (Malachi 4:1,3) John 3:16 says the same: we either receive the gift of eternal life, or we perish: ⚫ "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16) So where does the fiery eternal "hell" idea come from? King James' translators added it to the Bible by using their word "hell" 23 times in the New Testament . . . in place of three different Greek words. Each of those three words has a different meaning . . . and none of those three refers to a place of fiery, perpetual torment. The three Greek words are: ▬ άδης (“hades” in English); appears as "hell" ten times and as "grave" once in the KJV New Testament; refers to the place of the dead, the grave, similar to the Hebrew word "she'ol" in the Old Testament ▬ γέεννα (“geenna” or “gehenna” in English); Appears as "hell" 12 times in the KJV New Testament; refers to the valley used as a dump outside Jerusalem in Jesus' time. Constant fire and maggots there permanently destroyed whatever was thrown in. ▬ ταρταρωσας a verb, an inflection or variant of ταρταρόω; (“tartaroo" in English); used only once: to describe fallen angels being put into a figurative pit or prison, to be held in restraint. You don't have to take my word for this. Look it up with online Bible study tools such as blueletterbible.org. Translators (especially King James Version, 1611) made a real mess when they used the word "hell" in place of these three Greek words. They had inherited their hell concept, by tradition, from the Catholic church. By using "hell" they were twisting the meanings of the Greek words to conform to their concept of a place of perpetual, fiery torment. Over time translators have recognized this error and footnoted their versions, noting the original Greek words, or even using the original Greek words - and not using the word "hell." Young's Literal Translation (YLT), for example, never uses the word "hell." Here's an example of Jesus speaking of "hell fire": ⚫ "And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:" (Mark 9:47) "Hell" in that verse is from that Greek word γεέννῃ or "gehenna," a reference to that dump outside Jerusalem. The trash and garbage was thrown there to be destroyed by the constant fire - "hell fire" - and worms - maggots - in the dump. *Jesus likened the destruction of the wicked to being cast into the dump for permanent, final destruction. They would be figuratively thrown into the dump for destruction.* The "lake of fire" in Revelation pictures the same, final destruction: ⚫ "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8) Here's another verse where "hell" is from the Greek word γεέννῃ or "gehenna": ⚫ "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." (Matthew 10:28) So, when Jesus said the soul can be destroyed in hell, what did He mean? First, "destroy" is from the Greek word ἀπόλλυμι ("apollymi") which means "to destroy fully" (from _Strong's Defintions_ ). And "hell" in that verse is from the Greek word γέεννα ("geenna" or "gehenna") which was the dump outside Jerusalem, where fire and maggots destroyed all the trash and bodies that were thrown in. *Jesus likened the fate of the unsaved* to being "thrown into the dump," into "hell [gehenna] fire" for destruction. In Matthew 25:46 Jesus describes the fate of the unsaved: ⚫ "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." When a criminal is executed, the punishment is not "everlasting" in the sense of being ongoing, perpetual punishing. No, the punishment is "everlasting" in the sense that it is permanent, complete and final and irrevocable. It will be the same for the unsaved; they will destroyed and that will be the end of them. Their punishment is finished and stands forever; it is not perpetual, ongoing punishing. The words "permanent" and "final" never appear in the KJV; "everlasting" is often used instead. It's a mistake to assume "everlasting" means an ongoing, perpetual process. It can refer to a permanent, finished and irreversible condition. The "lake of fire" in Revelation is like the gehenna "dump" fire. It pictures final, irrevocable destruction. Those persons who are "cast into the lake of fire" are destroyed. They are destroyed, through death; specifically the second death, after judgment. They have no further hope of life or resurrection. They will never "be" again: ⚫ "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8) Even death and the grave (hades) will be destroyed by being figuratively "cast in the lake of fire": ⚫ "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." (Revelation 20:14,15) After the final judgment and the destruction of the wicked, death is effectively destroyed-because everyone left will have received eternal life. And the grave (hades) is destroyed, because no one will be left in the grave awaiting resurrection for judgment. Paul wrote: ⚫ "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death." (1 Corinthians 15:26) Death will be destroyed . . . after the wicked have been destroyed through death and the rest have received eternal life.
yo, just been reading into all this stuff lately and have found a countless number of testimonies of peoples experience going to hell and they all say its eternal? So do you think they are just tripping or what? Also some of them say it was when they died (in the physical sense) they were taken to hell then god brought them out implying that god can take people out of hell even after death? ANyway would love your thoughts on this
@@elijahbill9148 @elijahkilledbill I most certainly do not trust the mind-trips people experience in near-death semi-consciousness. I'll trust the the verses quoted above . . . that the wicked will simply perish after judgment. None of those who have "experienced" hell have come back with sooty faces and singed hair, have they? No . . . they didn't even smell like smoke. It's all in their heads, based on what they've been (mis)led to believe. And some, no doubt, do it for publicity and $.
@@TheBibleSays Yeah I totally get that for sure, and im leaning more to that (also hope so bc thats what holds me back from god the most bc it seems so extra) but with the point that they come back with singed hair ect, surely that wouldnt be the case regardless bc it would technically be their soul not their bodies?
@@elijahbill9148 Jesus said both soul (the self) and body could be destroyed in hell: ⚫ "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." (Matthew 10:28) "Hell" in this verse is from that Greek word γέεννα, the valley used as a dump outside Jerusalem in Jesus' time. Constant fire and maggots there permanently destroyed whatever was thrown in. Jesus likened the fate of the unsaved to being "thrown into the dump" . . . they would be destroyed. The "immortal soul" is a lie passed down from pagan religion. *_If we were immortal, God would not need to give us the gift of eternal life_* (Romans 6:23). And remember, God put the first couple out of the Garden so they would NOT eat of the tree of life and so live forever (Genesis 3:22,23). Apparently they did not have immortality. We still DO NOT have immortality. The "immortal soul" deception comes to us from pagan Greek philosophers like Plato. *Read what Plato wrote:* _"Do we believe that there is such a thing as death? And is this anything but the separation of soul and body? And being dead is the attainment of this separation; when the soul exists in herself, and is parted from the body and the body is parted from the soul . . . beyond question the soul is immortal and imperishable, and our souls will truly exist in another world!"_ (Plato, in _Phaedo,_ about 360 BC) Take away the "immortal soul" error and there is no longer any need to "explain" where the "immortal soul" spends eternity! Salvation is not about *_where_* you'll spend eternity. You won't even *_have_* an eternity - of any sort, anywhere - unless God chooses to give you the gift of eternal life!!! Otherwise, you'll perish in death. "Soul" in the Bible is your self: your being, your person, with all your characteristics, your sense of existence and your hope of life. An example from the apostle Paul: "And we were in all in the ship two hundred threescore and sixteen souls." (Acts 27:37) Here's Jesus saying he was very sorrowful: "Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me." (Matthew 26:38) When God formed Adam out of the dust, He breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and Adam became a living soul: "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." (Genesis 2:7) That's right: Adam _became_ a living soul. God did not _give_ Adam a soul. The Bible and pagan religion have different defintions of "soul." In the Bible we _are_ souls and can die, and perish. According to pagan religion we _have_ an immortal soul that floats out of our body when we die, and remains alive and conscious forever. The Bible says the person - the soul - that sins will die: "The soul that sinneth, it shall die. . . " (Ezekiel 18:20) Here is Paul in the New Testament: "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord" (Romans 6:23). That's right: the "wages" of sin is death, not eternal life as an immortal soul. We either receive eternal life as a gift from God, or, we perish in death.
Well that's how it always is with Christians who believe in the ridiculous version of hell where people get tortured for eternity. The wages of sin is death, not eternal torture
What about a great humanitarian who was raised devoutly in a religion other than Christianity? Why does that person deserve to be tortured for eternity?
My issue as well. I ask about this all the time but no one ever seems to want to offer an answer. Christianity is not the most prevalent religion even tho we tend to assume so on this side of the world. I often have to ask what about those in other regions who were raised in accordance with other fates and never taught the Bible? Do I really believe that they are headed to an afterlife of eternal hell?? That doesn't make any sense. It certainly doesn't jive with a loving God who wants for no one to perish, especially good people whose fault it is not that they were born on the opposing hemisphere.
@@aspenmontgomery409 we have a free will given by God. A free will to choose for him or not. If some people choosed to create there own "gods" and make up there own religion it has Consequences. Consequences for other people who were born there. Every choise you make has Consequences for yourself or others or both. We have a free will. Without free will it is no love. God is love. God is rightousnness and he only judge by what we know. Otherwise he wont be rightousness
Don't confuse the supreme value of god, which is very real as a figure even in the symbolic sense, with the supreme value of YOUR god. That kind of generalization is bound to be wrong, always. Pastor Piper is missing a lot of nuance in this. I get his enthusiasm, and his love of god is contagious, but let's not lose perspective here and assume that even the pre-colonial american tribes knew of YOUR god. They knew of A god, or gods or god-like figure, but not the specific one you're mentioning here.
You always touch my heart with gods word you are an awesome preacher thank you for always enlightening me all my love father in heaven and to you pastor john and your family !!!!!!!!!!❤❤❤💯
"Hell" is a confusing, illogical, erroneous conflation of Sheol, Hades, Gehenna & Tartarus. The more important and straightforward concept is the Lake of Fire, which is introduced in Rev. 14, 19-22. I would like to share some background on the Lake of Fire's sulfur (a.k.a. "brimstone") (Rev. 21:8) and torment (Rev. 14:10), and how they will lead to *salvation!:* --------------- "The word translated 'sulfur' originally referred to fire from heaven ... it was used in pagan religious rites for purification. Pre-Roman civilzations used it as a medicine, a fumigant, a bleaching agent and in incense. And the Romans used sulfur or fumes from its combustion as an insecticide, and to purify a sick room to cleanse its air of evil. The term translated torment originally referred to the action of an inspector who sought to test the quality of gold and silver coins. In its proper sense it is a means of testing and proving. For the apostle John who authored the book of Revelation, and for his readers in the ancient world, the Lake of Fire was not a place of unending torture. It was not a place with no purpose other than to inflict pain. *It was a refiner's fire. Its purpose was to purify and cleanse from evil in the age to come. God is good. His punishments have a good purpose.* " -- George Sarris, _Heaven's Doors_ , 2017 --------------- "The original idea of [torment ( _basanizo_ in Greek)] is 'to put to the test by rubbing on a touchstone,' to test some metal that looked like gold to find whether it was real or not. The meaning and usage harmonizes with the idea of divine purification and the torment which is the test to find whether there has been any change in the sufferer ... Sulphur [brimstone] was sacred to the deity among the ancient Greeks; and was used to fumigate, to purify, to cleanse and consecrate to the deity; for this purpose they burned it in their incense. In Homer's _Iliad_ [about a quarter of the way through Book 16], one is spoken of as purifying a goblet with [brimstone]. The verb derived from _Theion_ is _Theioo_ , which means to hallow, to make divine, or to dedicate to a god (see _Liddell and Scott Greek-English Lexicon_ , 1897 Edition). *To any Greek, or any trained in the Greek language, a 'lake of fire and brimstone' would mean a 'lake of divine purification.'* ” -- Charles Pridgeon, _Is Hell Eternal?_ , 1931 --------------- "But who can endure the day of his coming, and who can stand when he appears? *For he is like a refiner's fire and like fullers' soap.* He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and *he will purify* the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, and they will bring offerings in righteousness to the Lord." --Malachi 3:2-3, c. 400 B.C. --------------- th-cam.com/video/4lHWv4zM7iA/w-d-xo.html ("Refined in the Lake of Fire" -- 15 minutes) (You can also find this video by searching in TH-cam for "The Total Victory of Christ Refined in the Lake of Fire".)
I don't agree with it and never will but I do know that I suck and therefore, don't like being human knowing that I could commit grave evils against anyone!
i could be incorrect but i there are about 14 verses in the NT where jesus talks about hell.HE does not say anything about burnin forever and ever..HE does say people will be "burned up".."destroyed".."perish".. in 2peter3:10 it says "both the earth &the works that are in the earth will be burned up " john3:16 the word "perish"is used.. romans6:23 for the wages of sin is death but the gift of GOD is eternal life. if you burn FOREVER in hell then you also have ETERNAL LIFE do you not... something is not adding up.. how can the saved and the damned have eternal life???? luke13:3 you will perish john3:16 you should not PERISH but have EVERLASTING LIFE!!!! how can someone be not there and there at the same time???? matt25:46 eternal punishment is SINGULAR NOT PLURAL.. the punishment is eternal but not the punishing.. matt10:28 this is very direct FEAR HIM WHO CAN DESTROY BOTH THE SOUL AND BODY... THAT IS VERY CLEAR.. matt7:13-14 the word DESTRUCTION.. ALL THIS FROM THE NT. the NT must match up with the OT not the other way round...WHY???? b ecause does it not say....GOD NEVER CHANGES... SO what is said in the OT should be the same in the NT. NOW FROM THE OT...ALM :9-20 the wicked will be no more....FOR the wicked will PERISH. for the enemies of the LORD like the splender of the meadow shall vanish. MALACHI3:6 for i am the LORD, I CHANGE NOT..........THAT IS GOD SPEAKING.. HE cannot say something different in the NT now can HE???? MALACHI 4:1-3 the wicked will be stubble,shall burn them up ,leave them neither nor root or branch, they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet... THIS IS GOD SAYING THIS NOT MAN....THESE ARE GODS WORDS would this not be ANNIHILATION????? psalm145:20 all the wicked will destroy. psalm 21:9 the fire will devour them... OBADIAH 1:15-16 they shall be as if they never were... psalm 92:7 though the wicked spring up like grass and all evil doers florish THEY WILL BE FOREVER DESTROYED..... THAT IS A POWERFULL STATEMENT... psalm 10:20 but the wicked will perish and the enemines of the LORD shall be as the fat of the lambs, they shall consume into smoke they will consume away.. AGAIN THAT IS PRETTY POWERFULL STATEMENT.. EZEKIEL 28::18-19 THIS IS GOD SPEAKING.......i will bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and i will bring thee the ashes upon the earth in sight of all them that behold thee... NT... TIES IN WITH THE OT here 2PETER 2:6 SODOM AND GOMORRHA were set as example, they were destroyed and made into ASHES... is that place still burning today??? ALL THIS POINTS TO " COMPLETE ANNIHILATION " please show me where i am WRONG????? how can the damned also ETERNAL LIFE, EVEN IF IT IS HELL... IF THEY HAVE ETERNAL LIFE ....... GOD LIED AND EVERYONE HAS ETERNAL LIFE...
Although I also have misgivings about the existence of hell, somethings you don't have to point out, because to begin with both you and I don't understand the concept of the sould completely. And if you believe in God, then such a statement would be baseless, because with him anything is possible... just the thoughts of a man seeking faith.
Up until about 500 A.D., Christian beliefs about hell were reasonable and beautiful. The prevailing view then was that hell (the lake of fire, actually) not only punished but also purified the unrighteous. It was temporary -- each person's finite punishment would fit their finite crimes (sins). (The Greek speaking early church fathers knew that _aionios,_ the word that is mistranslated as "eternal" in our English Bibles, doesn't really mean "eternal.") Once a person's punishment and purification were complete, he or she would go to heaven. Everyone would eventually make it into heaven and be blessed, with heavenly rewards varying by person, based on the lives they led. For supporting verses & quotes, see my two replies and videos by The Total Victory of Christ, especially "Refined in the Lake of Fire." God bless!
Some verses which assert, imply or strongly suggest eventual universal salvation: "As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive ... God [will] be all in all." (1 Cor. 15:22,28) "As one trespass [Adam's] led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness [Jesus'] leads to justification and life for all men." (Rom. 5:18) "For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope [certainty] that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God" (Rom. 8:20-21) "God has committed all to disobedience that he might have mercy on all ... From him and through him and to him are all things." (Rom. 11:32,36) "...every knee shall bow to me [God], and every tongue shall confess to God." (Rom. 14:11) " ... at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." (Phil. 2:10-11) "And I [Jesus], when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself." (John 12:32) "And every creature which is in heaven and on earth and under the earth I heard saying, 'Blessing and honor and glory and power be to Him who sits upon the throne and to the Lamb forever.'" (Rev. 5:13) "O you who hear prayer, to you shall all flesh come. When iniquities prevail against me, you atone for our transgressions." (Psalm 65:2-3) "All your works shall give thanks to you, O Lord." (Psalm 145:10a) "I will not contend forever, nor will I always be angry; for the spirit would grow faint before me, and the breath of life that I made." (Isa. 57:16) "The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end." (Lam. 3:22) Also see John 1:29, 4:42, 17:2, combination of (John 3:35, 6:37), Rom. 5:19-20, Eph. 1:10, Phil. 3:21, Col. 1:20, 1 Tim. 2:3-6, 4:10, Titus 2:11, 1 Pet. 4:6, 1 John 2:2, 4:14, Rev. 15:4, 21:5,24-25, 22:2, combination of (Rev. 22:1,14,17a,17c), Psalm 22:27,29, Isa. 25:6-8, 45:22-25, Lam. 3:31, Ezek. 16:53,55, Mal. 3:2-3, The Total Victory of Christ videos.
Some quotes from leading early church fathers: "Christ saves all men. Some he converts by penalties, others who follow Him of their own will ... that every knee may be bent to Him, of those in heaven, on earth, and under the earth" [Isa. 45:22-23, Rom. 14:11, Phil. 2:10-11, Rev. 5:13] -- *Clement of Alexandria,* _Commentary on 1 John_ "When death shall no longer exist, nor the sting of death, nor any evil at all, then, verily, God will be All in all" [1 Cor. 15:28,55] -- *Origen,* _De Principiis 3:6.3_ "What else does 'until the times of universal restoration' signify to us, if not the aeon to come, in which all beings must receive their perfect restoration?" [Acts 3:21] -- *Eusebius,* leading historian of the early church, _Contra Marcellum __2:4:11_ "A few drops of blood renew the whole world, and become for all men that which rennet is for milk, uniting and drawing us into one." [Col. 1:15-20] -- *Gregory Nazianzus,* _Oration 42_ "Christ captured over again the souls captured by the devil, for that He promised in saying, 'I, if I be lifted up, will draw all men unto Me.'" [John 12:32, 1 Peter 3:19-20, 4:6, Psalm 68:18, Eph. 4:8-10, and maybe Matt. 12:29] -- *Athanasius,* _Expositions on the Psalms, 68.18_ "The peace [coming] from the Lord is coextensive with all time [eternity]. For all things shall be subject to him, and all things shall acknowledge his empire; and when God shall be all in all, those who now excite discords by revolts, having been quite pacified, [all things] shall praise God in peaceful concord." [Psalm 145:10a, 1 Cor. 15:28, Rev. 5:13] -- *Basil,* _Commentary on Isaiah 9:6_ "So the Son of Man came to save that which was lost, i.e., all, for as in Adam all die, so, too, in Christ shall all be made alive." [Luke 19:10, 1 Cor. 15:22] -- *Ambrose,* _Exposition on the Gospel of Luke 15.3_ "For the wicked there are punishments not perpetual, ... but they are to be tormented for a certain brief period, according to the amount of malice in their works. They shall therefore suffer punishment for a short space, but immortal blessedness, having no end, awaits them; ... the penalties to be inflicted for their many and grave crimes are very far surpassed by the magnitude of the mercy to be showed them. The resurrection, therefore, is regarded as a blessing, not only to the good, but also to the evil." [Isa. 57:16], *Diodore,* _De Oecon_ "Some among the wise and learned … have alluded to this in an enigmatic way, by adducing that God is not only just, but also merciful, and that it becomes the One who judges with justice to have sinners suffer in a measure that is proportional to their sins and then make them worthy of blessedness." -- *Theodore,* _Liber Scholiorum, 2:63_ "'All the kings of the earth shall adore him.' Some, indeed, in the present life willingly, but all the rest after the Resurrection; for not yet do we see all things subject to him, but then every knee shall bow to him." [The "kings of the earth" are rebellious unbelievers in Rev. 6:15, 17:2,18, 18:3,9, 19:19,21 ... but check out what happens in Rev. 21:24-27!] -- *Theodoret,* _On Psalm 72:11_ "Death shall come as a visitor to the impious; it will not be perpetual; it will not annihilate them; but will prolong its visit, till the impiety which is in them shall be consumed." [Matt. 5:26] -- *Jerome,* _On Micah 5:8_ "After the complete abolition of sin, praise shall be sung to God; which praise contain (implies) our being incapable of turning to sin ... when every created being shall be harmonized into one choir ... and when, like a cymbal, the reasonable creation, and that which is now severed by sin ... shall pour forth a pleasing strain, due to mutual harmony. Then comes the praise of every spirit for ever abounding with increase unto eternity." [Psalm 150] -- *Gregory of Nyssa,* _On Psalms, Tract 1, ch. 9_ Other church fathers who believed in eventual universal salvation include *Asterius, Bardaisan, Cyril of Alexandria, Didymus the Blind, Dionysius, Ephrem the Syrian, Gennadius, Hilary, John Cassian, John Chrysostom, Marcellus, Maximus the Confessor, Maximus of Turin, Methodius, Paulinus, Proclus, Titus of Basra & Victorinus.* Sources: Thomas Allin, _Christ Triumphant,_ Annotated by Robin Parry edition, chapters 4-5 & Ilaria Ramelli, _A Larger Hope?, Volume 1: Universal Salvation from Christian Beginnings to Julian of Norwich,_ 2019
NO! Hell is a FUTURE reality. Nobody has gone to hell yet, because hell is where people go to DIE for the 2nd time. NOBODY can go to hell and make it out alive. Matt 10:28, Rev. 20:14-15 Hell is where the body and soul goes to die. People will go there on judgement day when Jesus comes back.
@@croissantlover1 They return to their bodies when they wake up usually. NDEs aren't good proof of Hell. Especially since they vastly differ in what Hell looks like.
Imma bluntly honest man. I’m a Christian but I don’t get why God let sin happen, why was their a serpent in the garden, why did God let hell exist,etc and the reason why is because I don’t want anyone going to hell at all! Not even my worst enemy! It bothers me at the fact if you don’t follow God, you’ll end up in hell and it’s the truth. And I keep asking these questions because even the Bible says only few will be saved. And I keep asking why? Cause I’ve lost loved ones and I know they didn’t make it to heaven and it saddens me there suffering forever and ever. Why couldn’t God stop Satan from tempting Eve so non of this could of been happening and we could of been with God.
Same man, I’m a Christian and I have similar questions… I also wonder why God created angels and humans in the first place if he knew we are going to sin. Been struggling with these questions and no one seems to have the answer :( Idw anybody to go to hell
@@nanoelbatero57 yeh man, but as much as I doubt his morality, I realised i can’t live without him. He is still my ultimate source of happiness. Still trying to learn how to have faith in him and believing that his design for the universe is perfect. It’s hard but still learning even with those burning questions. Continue to have faith mate 💪🏻
@@kylesdraftvideos Yeah, people are raised from the dead and then cast into hell to die for the 2nd time for their sins. The wages of sin is DEATH, not eternal life while suffering. The punishment of hell is not accompanied by the gift of immortality, that would be absurd.
If your god really wanted for his people to want to love him, then he should've rewarded his people by actually showing up for once. In order to entertain the fact that people can turn away from this god, they need to say that sinful things are what indirectly turn us away from god, otherwise there would be a much more difficult way to explain why hell exists for so many people, and why it is to be terrified of. Oh, and by the way, as an atheist speaking, no. No, I do not "know" that your god exists, I am completely unconvinced that your god exists. I don't fear anything about him, nor do I hate him. His existence is completely removed from my mind, since I have never found enough evidence to prove his existence, and there is plenty of proof against his existence.
God did appear in his creation. You must have heard of Jesus? I would go into more details and scripture but you say you're an atheist so you probably won't want it.
*Why Hell Exists* Hell does not exist. The word "hell" appears in some translations of the Bible, yes, but hell (a place of eternal conscious torment) does not.
Paganism at its best. Sheol = Hebrew =grave or pit. Hades =Greek =grave or pit. Gehenna =Greek =Valley of Hinnom. Tartarus =Greek =outer darkness reserved for fallen angels. Hell = pagan concept that came from Norse mythology. Hell,comes from Germanic word hel, which means to cover over (bury).It's where we get the words helmet, helicopter ect.
Bogus. Even if people send themselves to hell, so to speak, God allows it. So the question isn't why does God send someone to hell but it's rather a two-fold question. 1) Why does God allow someone to go to hell BUT better question than that - 2) Why doesn't God just not allow people into heaven? Why not there be the presence of God or not be in the presence of God? Seems like if heaven were the best of the best, the most beautiful place you could be then missing out on that for eternity would be punishment enough. Casting people into a place of torment and torture for eternity seems a bit sadistic when the other option is that when you die you just no longer exist. You are dead in every sense of the word. That is my 2 cents.
No, it's NOT just the absence of God. Hell is real and those who do not accept The Lord Jesus Christ as their only and exclusive Savior will spend eternity in this terrible place. Mt 25:46 "And these shall go into the everlasting tortures, but the righteous unto eternal life." // Dn 12: 2 "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall rise again, some for ETERNAL LIFE, and some for SHAME AND ETERNAL DESPREY.
@@mangiaquellochefaibene That's true because wha?t, some book says so? written my man and everyone just believes it without one single ounce of truth that you can grab ahold of? i never saw any of it in 15 years going to church...nothing, all bull shhit.
The Good News is God has given us eternal life and this life is in his son, he who has the son has life (eternal life) and he who does not have the son does not have life. Eternal life is living forever, and that is something we did not have before having the Son. All unbelievers will not live forever because they do not have the Son. People are not born immortal. Believing in the Son qualifies us for immortality. A study of the Greek words in the historic grammatical usage in the New Testament will show that death, destruction, perish all mean the same thing.....cease to exist. The majority of passages in the new testament regarding final judgment uses these terms and their meaning is fixed from the historical Greek usage. There are a few exceptions in Revelations which you have used....but the exceptions are few in comparison with the vast majority of verses that talk about judgment. I won't say anymore, but the Gospel that is Good News does not include eternal torment....The Good News is that fellowship with the Son qualifies me to live forever. I can smile and be happy and thankful about that and share enthusiastically.
As usual, while John Piper talks a lot of sense here, his own underlying beliefs make it all a bit of a farce. If you believe in determinism as John Piper does, and everything that happens is determined by God, including sin, then the sins of the people who end up in hell would have been scripted and willed by God. Which makes the rest of his message, and the eternal punishment in hell nonsensical.
@@jacobortwine7009 Just because it is written,and written very well in some book, does not make it true, and nobody can prove that, just blindly believe.....not me.
@@fundhund62 How so? People make mistakes and some don't pay the consequences during their life time. Depending on your religion if you follow any hell is not always eternal. There is also purgatory and levels to pay our sins. If I'm honest what do you expect for all of us to live in glory? Yes theres good people but also a lot of bad people in society.
Jesus said that Hell / Lake of Fire was created for the devil...not for man. Matthew 25:41- The lake of fire was created for devil & the fallen angels... The fire is eternal because they are immortal. This is the ONLY passage that uses the phrase "they will be tormented day and night forever & ever" All humans are Mortal... therefore the wicked will perish, be destroyed, die the second death. Eternal life is the gift of God....the wicked will not inherit eternal life. This is what the Bible teaches very clearly
John, you are wrong. If God didn't want to kill, then sinners wouldn't be going to Hell, but being put to death, out of existence. 6 You shall not murder. Murder as in put out of existence. God follows this moral commandment by putting people in a place other than His own home, Heaven.
Once again your assumption is primitive and incorrect. God did not create hell, Jesus did. Hell is not a place, it's an experience. Hell exists because many people are extremely selfish, borderline psychopaths, who have little to no empathy for others. Hell is an intense nightmare. Hell is feeling all of the pain, suffering, and disappointment that you caused others. No one goes to hell forever. The amount of time you spend there depends on how much you did.
Because God is that great. We think it wrong for a person to make fun of and insult a friend because of a disability because we see their value and are angered by the injustice of that valuable person being abused. How much more the infinite Godhead who is the source of all good and beauty... should He not be angered by His glory being spit and trodden upon?
William Neal God is more insulting to people with disabilities than you think. Remember in the Bible where it says men with damaged genitals couldn’t get into heaven? Yeah..
Simple he's evil who punishes us for a finite life that is predestined to begin with he is not love he put us in a sinful environment to be tempted and even gives the enemy power over us and he trys to blame us ? And punish us is that a joke
Maybe if your precious god actually revealed himself more to people they could actually value him over other things and maybe if he didn't only choose certain people to be saved that might help too.... everything your god seems to do is a mistake and ends up failing and then what does god do he punishes his creation
+Bryan Herbert Each time you open the curtains in the morning and look at the lovely blue sky, and enjoy the radiant warmth of the sun do you think of God and give Him thanks for the beauty of nature all around you? Each time you eat a delicious meal or consume a thirst quenching drink do you thank God for all the flavors that He has Created? Each time you listen to music that stirs your emotions do you thank God for giving people the natural talent and ability to compose music? The truth is, that God has revealed Himself very plainly in all that He has created and which we enjoy on a daily basis. We all instinctively know that everything requires a builder, designer or creator. Nothing cannot create something. If u think otherwise can u name me one thing, just one, that has emerged from nothing????? The problem is not that there isn't enough evidence for God, instead the problem is that we don't want to acknowledge God. We want to run our life our own way and not be told what to do. Worse still many of us accept God but have formed an image of Him which resembles Santa Clause. A God who only loves and enjoys giving us good gifts and is there to meet all of our needs. This is why hell exists.
Perhaps its my weak human brain, but I don't even want evil people to suffer physical pain for the rest of eternity.
Savvy Savages neither does God... he says it throughout the entire bible....
Don't worry they won't....they desirved pain to get them off this earth for what they did to their fellow man or woman but hell? that's man made....and why do people believe the word writtin by men to control other men....in all my years going to a church i never saw anything happen as that book said it would.
@@Eddieguitarloebs Hi, Eddie! Hope you don't mind my chiming in. Tragically, most churches in America do not preach very much at all about the existence of hell. In my opinion, it is because it is so disturbing, so repulsive, and it offends people. Here is a video which complements what I am saying: th-cam.com/video/fcOzTZUOBn0/w-d-xo.html&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR0rfffrpMmb7c3vFO_kWu-e1in4sX_nS60LHbXqEIFy3mFVPzlqukV4SVE
Yes, God loves you, but He is also the Sovereign Creator of the universe, and He is our Holy (perfect) Judge. The bottom line is He gets to make the rules, and He is not like us. He is eternal, omnipotent God, and we are mere mortals. I hope you will reflect deeply upon the possibility that the existence of hell may be very, very true and it's more real than we can fathom. I would not want anyone to go there.
@@BradJameson You have to understand a broader aspect of all this...your feelings and opinion are fine,it's just that they are base'd off your belief in what is written in a book,which ive never seen no tangable truth in what it says in many years of attending church..I know there is a creator of everything and calling it God works..But God as portrayed in the Bible or any other book i have trouble blindly excepting it as from God...I just don't have the room to type the way i see all this right here,but we all need to open our eye's to bigger possibilities, and if God as the bible says knows your every thought and prayer before you even ask,then certianly he would understand why a man could have doubt about a book that can't be proved to be true.....also i used to believe with all of my heart in Jesus,so if that was enough to recieve his "ETERNAL LIFE" then im there no matter what i think now..and nothing can snatch you out of Gods hands right? Not even yourself.
@@Eddieguitarloebs Hey, Eddie! Thank you for your response. You've mentioned that you've seen no tangible truth in what the Bible says. Could you give me an example? And yes, I would wholeheartedly agree that God understands how a man can have doubts. Two things I would point you to would be fulfillment of prophecies and archeology as providing more evidence of not only the existence of God, but His sovereignty over time and affairs of man. The connections between the old and new testaments, for example, are astounding, and when you couple that with archeological discoveries which then further support biblical accounts, then it's hard to deny...very good discussing these things with you :)
What is the Calvinist interpretation of:
"And I [Jesus], when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself." (John 12:32)
That people believe barbaric teachings like this tells you how powerful early childhood indoctrination actually is.
No one propagandizes brainwashing better than Christ worshippers.
Annihilationism is what scripture actually teaches.
Yeah, the way eternal torture advocates perform mental gymnastics on the topic of hell is just so sad... The wages of sin is death, not eternal life while suffering.
Seems like the Bible teaches multiple views.
Here is my issue. I'm voicing it respectively and if you have something to offer, please do.
I've been on this spiritual journey my entire life; from vacation Bible School as a child which terrorized my soul for the fear of hell if I wasn't saved, to studying and exploring other religions in college to this place I'm at now where I believe in God but perhaps not in the traditional, Christian sense but rather in an acknowledgement that correlates quite beautifully and harmoniously with this world He created which I'd like to explain.
God created our bodies & minds. God created the universe as we know it.
Basically, *God gave us the ability to know it*.
To say it is a delusion or illusion is to suggest an intentional misdirection on behalf of the Lord.
Our world consists of order, laws of nature, observable truths that are constant. It does now so isn't it only rational to believe it always has? If this is correct, it means that God created it *this* way, in other words with this design. If we deny it, then aren't we're also denying Him?
Christianity is the prevalent religion in the US which tends to suggest that we are the majority but globally, that's not true at all.
Why then, do we have zero doubt that everyone else got it wrong? Ironically, these other religions believe the same with respect to their beliefs.
Furthermore, we as Christians have denounced the rest of the world & judged them all as bound for hell. Do we actually believe that God would cast them all away even tho for many, the only way they've ever known is thru the cultural beliefs of their communities? How is that fair or just?
I could keep right on going but even TH-cam has character limits.
Many will cast this comment aside because it raises questions we should be asking. They aren't blasphemous or ill intentioned in any way yet people find it much easier to avoid them than to directly address them. At that point we really should be asking why. Denying them isn't doing any a favor, especially in this current day & age when our ability to explore them is greater than ever.
Islam is the truth
Yh bit how do we know that if they knew Christianity they will choose it? I'm not sure if it's biblical but I think, I mean its in the Bible and I think for those ppl who didn't know about Christianity they have a time when they will know and they can choose. The thousand year millennium. I'm not sure tho. But one thing I am sure about is that those ppl who don't know about Christianity, if they did and would've chosen God if they did they will go to heaven. Somehow Jesus will send them the truth. Check on TH-cam how many ppl from the Middle East r having visions about Jesus. U can check it. I know that God will be just and fair.
i am at a very similar place in my faith. unfortunately, the church doesnt allow questions to be asked because if you don't understand something or doubt that the teaching aligns with who God is, they label you a heretic and excommunicate you from the church. there's often no dialogue in evangelical circles. just blindly following pastors. someday maybe people will be allowed to have their own faith journey without being shamed for it.
@@dabawse3625 I am a man seeking faith. And I don't agree with you, because for most people religion is something that came to them when they were young, firstly the family they gre up and extending to the community thet grew up in.... right now I trying to submit myself to the lord but I find myself plagued with so many questions about Christianity, one of them being the one raised here... do you seriously believe that if you where raised in a family of Muslims you would change and become a Christian one day, but although we will never know, I doubt it.... the most plausible thing is that right now you would be saying Islamic is the correct religion.... because every religion has its own history and texts that convices people that their religion is the correct one.... at least that is what I see and think
Aspen, I agree 100%. Like you, I was terrified of going to hell for years, despite being fully committed/hardcore and active daily in my faith. Long story short, I eventually grew out of Christianity. I still respect & admire the faith I was raised in. But I also find God in nature, family, etc.
My limited, and finite, little mind so easily grasps on to the tangible and evident things of this world, raising them up to an improper position to where they eclipse the Source of all things. Christ Jesus humble my sinful heart and help me to forsake the immediate and cling to the eternal hope that you provided when you conquered death. Help me to hate my old man. Amen.
Good luck to you on that one,i prayed with all my heart for ten years and nothing transpired...God as portrayed in the bible is to distant, to out of reach, and i believe the bible was written by men to control people for whatever reason. answered back,..i had my fill of blind faith talking to something that never responds back....if i had just one speck of that then i could truely move mountians, but i don't wast my time on that shit anymore.....Peace to you.
Romans 9-11 has a very happy ending:
"God has consigned all to disobedience, that He may have mercy on all. … From Him, and through Him and to Him are all things." (Romans 11:32,36a)
O affraid so muths yhat Jesus dont want to know me ...
Powerful!
powerfull? what, the smell of the bullshit coming from his mouth?
There's such a thing as abandoning wrath. That's what hell is. A parent can punish their child simply by turning away from them, when they are the ones who turned away to begin with.
but wait according to the bible, we were birthed turned away from god to began with so what your point
@@obione6757 God step creator of sinner
Timothy, sure. But that is usually temporary. Most parents even in this situation will leave the door open for reconciliation.
My husband is confused about the 3 heads in one about God the Father and God the Son, because he truly listens to you, I know that God is using you as a Vessel to help him, get his priorities straight and he has to know that he has to put God before anything and everything, he was truly touched by the video of yours, about putting God first, I have tried but wow I have to say that I seen him crying and saying oh Lord that's me, and he said that he really needs to change, I said that actions speaks louder than words !!!
Please send me a reply
Hey Patricia, the nature of God is the trinity, where you have God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. All of them (the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit) are God, but the Father is not the Son, who is not the Holy Spirit, who is not the Father. Hopefully that explanation helps him. And I totally agree, actions speak louder than words! I think it's all about what we treasure more, God or the things of this world. In Matthew 16:24-26 Jesus tells us to pick up our crosses and follow Him. We will suffer in the moment but our eternal reward is so worth it. I am praying for you and your husband now God bless you both
If Hell exists to punish sinners, then sin exists so that God has people to punish for it.
God is limited by his will, if there is something that he does not want to do, he will not do it.
He creates us inferior to him, attracted to sin then punishes us ? No one asked to be born, but God is full of spite, plans poorly and according to pastor John the damning act of Adam eating the fruit has a greater affect than Jesus's death on the cross ? So through Adam all are damned and through Christ a select few are saved then ?
God is is an idiot
So not glorifying God is a bigger sin than murder?
What happens to the unsaved? The apostle Paul wrote:
⚫ "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life though Jesus Christ our Lord" (Romans 6:23)
There is nothing in that verse about eternal life in some sort of fiery "hell." Unless you receive the gift of eternal life you will perish in what is called the "second death," after resurrection for judgment. After that second death, there is no more hope of life or resurrection. You perish. You're destroyed. You don't exist any more. It's the end of you. Here's a few Bible verses about this:
⚫ "For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be" (Psalms 37:10).
⚫ "When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; it is that they shall be destroyed for ever" (Psalms 92:7).
⚫ "The way of the LORD is strength to the upright: but destruction shall be to the workers of iniquity" (Proverbs 10:29).
⚫ "As the whirlwind passeth, so is the wicked no more: but the righteous is an everlasting foundation" (Proverbs 10:25).
⚫ "Knowest thou not this of old, since man was placed upon earth, That the triumphing of the wicked is short, and the joy of the hypocrite but for a moment? Though his excellency mount up to the heavens, and his head reach unto the clouds; Yet he shall perish for ever like his own dung: they which have seen him shall say, Where is he?" (Job 20:4-7).
⚫ "For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch . . .
⚫ "And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts." (Malachi 4:1,3)
John 3:16 says the same: we either receive the gift of eternal life, or we perish:
⚫ "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)
So where does the fiery eternal "hell" idea come from? King James' translators added it to the Bible by using their word "hell" 23 times in the New Testament . . . in place of three different Greek words. Each of those three words has a different meaning . . . and none of those three refers to a place of fiery, perpetual torment. The three Greek words are:
▬ άδης
(“hades” in English); appears as "hell" ten times
and as "grave" once in the KJV New Testament;
refers to the place of the dead, the grave, similar to
the Hebrew word "she'ol" in the Old Testament
▬ γέεννα
(“geenna” or “gehenna” in English); Appears as "hell"
12 times in the KJV New Testament; refers to the valley
used as a dump outside Jerusalem in Jesus' time.
Constant fire and maggots there permanently destroyed
whatever was thrown in.
▬ ταρταρωσας
a verb, an inflection or variant of ταρταρόω;
(“tartaroo" in English); used only once: to describe
fallen angels being put into a figurative pit or prison,
to be held in restraint.
You don't have to take my word for this. Look it up with online Bible study tools such as blueletterbible.org.
Translators (especially King James Version, 1611) made a real mess when they used the word "hell" in place of these three Greek words. They had inherited their hell concept, by tradition, from the Catholic church. By using "hell" they were twisting the meanings of the Greek words to conform to their concept of a place of perpetual, fiery torment.
Over time translators have recognized this error and footnoted their versions, noting the original Greek words, or even using the original Greek words - and not using the word "hell." Young's Literal Translation (YLT), for example, never uses the word "hell."
Here's an example of Jesus speaking of "hell fire":
⚫ "And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:" (Mark 9:47)
"Hell" in that verse is from that Greek word γεέννῃ or "gehenna," a reference to that dump outside Jerusalem. The trash and garbage was thrown there to be destroyed by the constant fire - "hell fire" - and worms - maggots - in the dump. *Jesus likened the destruction of the wicked to being cast into the dump for permanent, final destruction. They would be figuratively thrown into the dump for destruction.*
The "lake of fire" in Revelation pictures the same, final destruction:
⚫ "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8)
Here's another verse where "hell" is from the Greek word γεέννῃ or "gehenna":
⚫ "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." (Matthew 10:28)
So, when Jesus said the soul can be destroyed in hell, what did He mean? First, "destroy" is from the Greek word ἀπόλλυμι ("apollymi") which means "to destroy fully" (from _Strong's Defintions_ ). And "hell" in that verse is from the Greek word γέεννα ("geenna" or "gehenna") which was the dump outside Jerusalem, where fire and maggots destroyed all the trash and bodies that were thrown in. *Jesus likened the fate of the unsaved* to being "thrown into the dump," into "hell [gehenna] fire" for destruction.
In Matthew 25:46 Jesus describes the fate of the unsaved:
⚫ "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."
When a criminal is executed, the punishment is not "everlasting" in the sense of being ongoing, perpetual punishing. No, the punishment is "everlasting" in the sense that it is permanent, complete and final and irrevocable. It will be the same for the unsaved; they will destroyed and that will be the end of them. Their punishment is finished and stands forever; it is not perpetual, ongoing punishing.
The words "permanent" and "final" never appear in the KJV; "everlasting" is often used instead. It's a mistake to assume "everlasting" means an ongoing, perpetual process. It can refer to a permanent, finished and irreversible condition.
The "lake of fire" in Revelation is like the gehenna "dump" fire. It pictures final, irrevocable destruction. Those persons who are "cast into the lake of fire" are destroyed. They are destroyed, through death; specifically the second death, after judgment. They have no further hope of life or resurrection. They will never "be" again:
⚫ "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8)
Even death and the grave (hades) will be destroyed by being figuratively "cast in the lake of fire":
⚫ "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." (Revelation 20:14,15)
After the final judgment and the destruction of the wicked, death is effectively destroyed-because everyone left will have received eternal life. And the grave (hades) is destroyed, because no one will be left in the grave awaiting resurrection for judgment. Paul wrote:
⚫ "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death." (1 Corinthians 15:26)
Death will be destroyed . . . after the wicked have been destroyed through death and the rest have received eternal life.
yo, just been reading into all this stuff lately and have found a countless number of testimonies of peoples experience going to hell and they all say its eternal? So do you think they are just tripping or what?
Also some of them say it was when they died (in the physical sense) they were taken to hell then god brought them out implying that god can take people out of hell even after death? ANyway would love your thoughts on this
Also I sometimes miss youtube comment replies so can hit me up on instagram @elijahkilledbill so I can make sure i see your response
@@elijahbill9148 @elijahkilledbill I most certainly do not trust the mind-trips people experience in near-death semi-consciousness. I'll trust the the verses quoted above . . . that the wicked will simply perish after judgment. None of those who have "experienced" hell have come back with sooty faces and singed hair, have they? No . . . they didn't even smell like smoke. It's all in their heads, based on what they've been (mis)led to believe. And some, no doubt, do it for publicity and $.
@@TheBibleSays Yeah I totally get that for sure, and im leaning more to that (also hope so bc thats what holds me back from god the most bc it seems so extra) but with the point that they come back with singed hair ect, surely that wouldnt be the case regardless bc it would technically be their soul not their bodies?
@@elijahbill9148 Jesus said both soul (the self) and body could be destroyed in hell:
⚫ "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." (Matthew 10:28)
"Hell" in this verse is from that Greek word γέεννα, the valley
used as a dump outside Jerusalem in Jesus' time.
Constant fire and maggots there permanently destroyed
whatever was thrown in. Jesus likened the fate of the unsaved to being "thrown into the dump" . . . they would be destroyed.
The "immortal soul" is a lie passed down from pagan religion. *_If we were immortal, God would not need to give us the gift of eternal life_* (Romans 6:23). And remember, God put the first couple out of the Garden so they would NOT eat of the tree of life and so live forever (Genesis 3:22,23). Apparently they did not have immortality. We still DO NOT have immortality.
The "immortal soul" deception comes to us from pagan Greek philosophers like Plato. *Read what Plato wrote:*
_"Do we believe that there is such a thing as death? And is this anything but the separation of soul and body? And being dead is the attainment of this separation; when the soul exists in herself, and is parted from the body and the body is parted from the soul . . . beyond question the soul is immortal and imperishable, and our souls will truly exist in another world!"_ (Plato, in _Phaedo,_ about 360 BC)
Take away the "immortal soul" error and there is no longer any need to "explain" where the "immortal soul" spends eternity!
Salvation is not about *_where_* you'll spend eternity. You won't even *_have_* an eternity - of any sort, anywhere - unless God chooses to give you the gift of eternal life!!! Otherwise, you'll perish in death.
"Soul" in the Bible is your self: your being, your person, with all your characteristics, your sense of existence and your hope of life. An example from the apostle Paul:
"And we were in all in the ship two hundred threescore and sixteen souls." (Acts 27:37)
Here's Jesus saying he was very sorrowful:
"Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me." (Matthew 26:38)
When God formed Adam out of the dust, He breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and Adam became a living soul:
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." (Genesis 2:7)
That's right: Adam _became_ a living soul. God did not _give_ Adam a soul. The Bible and pagan religion have different defintions of "soul." In the Bible we _are_ souls and can die, and perish. According to pagan religion we _have_ an immortal soul that floats out of our body when we die, and remains alive and conscious forever.
The Bible says the person - the soul - that sins will die:
"The soul that sinneth, it shall die. . . " (Ezekiel 18:20)
Here is Paul in the New Testament:
"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord" (Romans 6:23).
That's right: the "wages" of sin is death, not eternal life as an immortal soul.
We either receive eternal life as a gift from God, or, we perish in death.
Knew this would be a bullshit tapdance.
Well that's how it always is with Christians who believe in the ridiculous version of hell where people get tortured for eternity. The wages of sin is death, not eternal torture
@@AMessengerofTruth Amen. That verse has been bothering me for years.
What about a great humanitarian who was raised devoutly in a religion other than Christianity? Why does that person deserve to be tortured for eternity?
My issue as well. I ask about this all the time but no one ever seems to want to offer an answer.
Christianity is not the most prevalent religion even tho we tend to assume so on this side of the world. I often have to ask what about those in other regions who were raised in accordance with other fates and never taught the Bible? Do I really believe that they are headed to an afterlife of eternal hell?? That doesn't make any sense. It certainly doesn't jive with a loving God who wants for no one to perish, especially good people whose fault it is not that they were born on the opposing hemisphere.
@@aspenmontgomery409 we have a free will given by God. A free will to choose for him or not. If some people choosed to create there own "gods" and make up there own religion it has Consequences. Consequences for other people who were born there. Every choise you make has
Consequences for yourself or others or both. We have a free will. Without free will it is no love. God is love. God is rightousnness and he only judge by what we know. Otherwise he wont be rightousness
@@repentandfollowjesus3474 free will don't exist
@@Android-ds9ie whats your source. You speaking lies.
@@repentandfollowjesus3474 give me a verse about free will
Don't confuse the supreme value of god, which is very real as a figure even in the symbolic sense, with the supreme value of YOUR god. That kind of generalization is bound to be wrong, always. Pastor Piper is missing a lot of nuance in this. I get his enthusiasm, and his love of god is contagious, but let's not lose perspective here and assume that even the pre-colonial american tribes knew of YOUR god. They knew of A god, or gods or god-like figure, but not the specific one you're mentioning here.
You always touch my heart with gods word you are an awesome preacher thank you for always enlightening me all my love father in heaven and to you pastor john and your family !!!!!!!!!!❤❤❤💯
Does a child who ignores his parents deserves to be beaten over and over?
Don't trust a word from piper.
Don't trust a word from Jay.
@max marrero His God is the God of the heavens and earth. The God of the bible is the true God. You should repent for calling God nasty.
I’ve listened to piper for many years. You’re either deluded or working for your father the devil
@@raysonraypay5885 it shows you listen to him, congratulations on failing the second greatest commandment
"Hell" is a confusing, illogical, erroneous conflation of Sheol, Hades, Gehenna & Tartarus. The more important and straightforward concept is the Lake of Fire, which is introduced in Rev. 14, 19-22.
I would like to share some background on the Lake of Fire's sulfur (a.k.a. "brimstone") (Rev. 21:8) and torment (Rev. 14:10), and how they will lead to *salvation!:*
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"The word translated 'sulfur' originally referred to fire from heaven ... it was used in pagan religious rites for purification. Pre-Roman civilzations used it as a medicine, a fumigant, a bleaching agent and in incense. And the Romans used sulfur or fumes from its combustion as an insecticide, and to purify a sick room to cleanse its air of evil.
The term translated torment originally referred to the action of an inspector who sought to test the quality of gold and silver coins. In its proper sense it is a means of testing and proving.
For the apostle John who authored the book of Revelation, and for his readers in the ancient world, the Lake of Fire was not a place of unending torture. It was not a place with no purpose other than to inflict pain. *It was a refiner's fire. Its purpose was to purify and cleanse from evil in the age to come. God is good. His punishments have a good purpose.* "
-- George Sarris, _Heaven's Doors_ , 2017
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"The original idea of [torment ( _basanizo_ in Greek)] is 'to put to the test by rubbing on a touchstone,' to test some metal that looked like gold to find whether it was real or not. The meaning and usage harmonizes with the idea of divine purification and the torment which is the test to find whether there has been any change in the sufferer ... Sulphur [brimstone] was sacred to the deity among the ancient Greeks; and was used to fumigate, to purify, to cleanse and consecrate to the deity; for this purpose they burned it in their incense. In Homer's _Iliad_ [about a quarter of the way through Book 16], one is spoken of as purifying a goblet with [brimstone]. The verb derived from _Theion_ is _Theioo_ , which means to hallow, to make divine, or to dedicate to a god (see _Liddell and Scott Greek-English Lexicon_ , 1897 Edition). *To any Greek, or any trained in the Greek language, a 'lake of fire and brimstone' would mean a 'lake of divine purification.'* ”
-- Charles Pridgeon, _Is Hell Eternal?_ , 1931
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"But who can endure the day of his coming, and who can stand when he appears? *For he is like a refiner's fire and like fullers' soap.* He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and *he will purify* the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, and they will bring offerings in righteousness to the Lord."
--Malachi 3:2-3, c. 400 B.C.
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th-cam.com/video/4lHWv4zM7iA/w-d-xo.html ("Refined in the Lake of Fire" -- 15 minutes)
(You can also find this video by searching in TH-cam for "The Total Victory of Christ Refined in the Lake of Fire".)
Nailed it. Totally agree. Only man and his man made religion can turn the gospel into a horror story.
I don't agree with it and never will but I do know that I suck and therefore, don't like being human knowing that I could commit grave evils against anyone!
I have blind faith, so gotta have proof, but I know of his past appearances
Step out of your blind faith. God doesn't want it. He want you to KNOW him. Not think him. Search the scriptures to show yourself approved.
i could be incorrect but i there are about 14 verses in the NT where jesus talks about hell.HE does not say anything about burnin forever and ever..HE does say people will be "burned up".."destroyed".."perish"..
in 2peter3:10 it says "both the earth &the works that are in the earth will be burned up "
john3:16 the word "perish"is used..
romans6:23 for the wages of sin is death but the gift of GOD is eternal life.
if you burn FOREVER in hell then you also have ETERNAL LIFE do you not... something is not adding up.. how can the saved and the damned have eternal life????
luke13:3 you will perish
john3:16 you should not PERISH but have EVERLASTING LIFE!!!!
how can someone be not there and there at the same time????
matt25:46 eternal punishment is SINGULAR NOT PLURAL..
the punishment is eternal but not the punishing..
matt10:28 this is very direct FEAR HIM WHO CAN DESTROY BOTH THE SOUL AND BODY... THAT IS VERY CLEAR..
matt7:13-14 the word DESTRUCTION..
ALL THIS FROM THE NT.
the NT must match up with the OT not the other way round...WHY????
b ecause does it not say....GOD NEVER CHANGES... SO what is said in the OT should be the same in the NT.
NOW FROM THE OT...ALM
:9-20 the wicked will be no more....FOR the wicked will PERISH.
for the enemies of the LORD like the splender of the meadow shall vanish.
MALACHI3:6 for i am the LORD, I CHANGE NOT..........THAT IS GOD SPEAKING..
HE cannot say something different in the NT now can HE????
MALACHI 4:1-3 the wicked will be stubble,shall burn them up ,leave them neither nor root or branch, they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet...
THIS IS GOD SAYING THIS NOT MAN....THESE ARE GODS WORDS
would this not be ANNIHILATION?????
psalm145:20 all the wicked will destroy.
psalm 21:9 the fire will devour them...
OBADIAH 1:15-16 they shall be as if they never were...
psalm 92:7 though the wicked spring up like grass and all evil doers florish
THEY WILL BE FOREVER DESTROYED..... THAT IS A POWERFULL STATEMENT...
psalm 10:20 but the wicked will perish and the enemines of the LORD shall be as the fat of the lambs, they shall consume into smoke they will consume away.. AGAIN THAT IS PRETTY POWERFULL STATEMENT..
EZEKIEL 28::18-19 THIS IS GOD SPEAKING.......i will bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and i will bring thee the ashes upon the earth in sight of all them that behold thee...
NT... TIES IN WITH THE OT here
2PETER 2:6 SODOM AND GOMORRHA were set as example, they were destroyed and made into ASHES... is that place still burning today???
ALL THIS POINTS TO " COMPLETE ANNIHILATION "
please show me where i am WRONG?????
how can the damned also ETERNAL LIFE, EVEN IF IT IS HELL... IF THEY HAVE ETERNAL LIFE ....... GOD LIED AND EVERYONE HAS ETERNAL LIFE...
It's already been proven that we need bodies, brains & nerves in order to feel pain, so it's physically impossible for a soul to feel fire.
It’s a metaphor. And the metaphor used to describe hell is nothing compared to the real place
@@raysonraypay5885 how do you know that? Have you been there?
Although I also have misgivings about the existence of hell, somethings you don't have to point out, because to begin with both you and I don't understand the concept of the sould completely. And if you believe in God, then such a statement would be baseless, because with him anything is possible... just the thoughts of a man seeking faith.
@@prankerchase91 Exactly. With God anything is possible. So WHY hell?
Up until about 500 A.D., Christian beliefs about hell were reasonable and beautiful. The prevailing view then was that hell (the lake of fire, actually) not only punished but also purified the unrighteous. It was temporary -- each person's finite punishment would fit their finite crimes (sins). (The Greek speaking early church fathers knew that _aionios,_ the word that is mistranslated as "eternal" in our English Bibles, doesn't really mean "eternal.") Once a person's punishment and purification were complete, he or she would go to heaven. Everyone would eventually make it into heaven and be blessed, with heavenly rewards varying by person, based on the lives they led.
For supporting verses & quotes, see my two replies and videos by The Total Victory of Christ, especially "Refined in the Lake of Fire." God bless!
Some verses which assert, imply or strongly suggest eventual universal salvation:
"As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive ... God [will] be all in all." (1 Cor. 15:22,28)
"As one trespass [Adam's] led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness [Jesus'] leads to justification and life for all men." (Rom. 5:18)
"For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope [certainty] that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God" (Rom. 8:20-21)
"God has committed all to disobedience that he might have mercy on all ... From him and through him and to him are all things." (Rom. 11:32,36)
"...every knee shall bow to me [God], and every tongue shall confess to God." (Rom. 14:11)
" ... at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." (Phil. 2:10-11)
"And I [Jesus], when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself." (John 12:32)
"And every creature which is in heaven and on earth and under the earth I heard saying, 'Blessing and honor and glory and power be to Him who sits upon the throne and to the Lamb forever.'" (Rev. 5:13)
"O you who hear prayer, to you shall all flesh come. When iniquities prevail against me, you atone for our transgressions." (Psalm 65:2-3)
"All your works shall give thanks to you, O Lord." (Psalm 145:10a)
"I will not contend forever, nor will I always be angry; for the spirit would grow faint before me, and the breath of life that I made." (Isa. 57:16)
"The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end." (Lam. 3:22)
Also see John 1:29, 4:42, 17:2, combination of (John 3:35, 6:37), Rom. 5:19-20, Eph. 1:10, Phil. 3:21, Col. 1:20, 1 Tim. 2:3-6, 4:10, Titus 2:11, 1 Pet. 4:6, 1 John 2:2, 4:14, Rev. 15:4, 21:5,24-25, 22:2, combination of (Rev. 22:1,14,17a,17c), Psalm 22:27,29, Isa. 25:6-8, 45:22-25, Lam. 3:31, Ezek. 16:53,55, Mal. 3:2-3, The Total Victory of Christ videos.
Some quotes from leading early church fathers:
"Christ saves all men. Some he converts by penalties, others who follow Him of their own will ... that every knee may be bent to Him, of those in heaven, on earth, and under the earth" [Isa. 45:22-23, Rom. 14:11, Phil. 2:10-11, Rev. 5:13] -- *Clement of Alexandria,* _Commentary on 1 John_
"When death shall no longer exist, nor the sting of death, nor any evil at all, then, verily, God will be All in all" [1 Cor. 15:28,55] -- *Origen,* _De Principiis 3:6.3_
"What else does 'until the times of universal restoration' signify to us, if not the aeon to come, in which all beings must receive their perfect restoration?" [Acts 3:21] -- *Eusebius,* leading historian of the early church, _Contra Marcellum __2:4:11_
"A few drops of blood renew the whole world, and become for all men that which rennet is for milk, uniting and drawing us into one." [Col. 1:15-20] -- *Gregory Nazianzus,* _Oration 42_
"Christ captured over again the souls captured by the devil, for that He promised in saying, 'I, if I be lifted up, will draw all men unto Me.'" [John 12:32, 1 Peter 3:19-20, 4:6, Psalm 68:18, Eph. 4:8-10, and maybe Matt. 12:29] -- *Athanasius,* _Expositions on the Psalms, 68.18_
"The peace [coming] from the Lord is coextensive with all time [eternity]. For all things shall be subject to him, and all things shall acknowledge his empire; and when God shall be all in all, those who now excite discords by revolts, having been quite pacified, [all things] shall praise God in peaceful concord." [Psalm 145:10a, 1 Cor. 15:28, Rev. 5:13] -- *Basil,* _Commentary on Isaiah 9:6_
"So the Son of Man came to save that which was lost, i.e., all, for as in Adam all die, so, too, in Christ shall all be made alive." [Luke 19:10, 1 Cor. 15:22] -- *Ambrose,* _Exposition on the Gospel of Luke 15.3_
"For the wicked there are punishments not perpetual, ... but they are to be tormented for a certain brief period, according to the amount of malice in their works. They shall therefore suffer punishment for a short space, but immortal blessedness, having no end, awaits them; ... the penalties to be inflicted for their many and grave crimes are very far surpassed by the magnitude of the mercy to be showed them. The resurrection, therefore, is regarded as a blessing, not only to the good, but also to the evil." [Isa. 57:16], *Diodore,* _De Oecon_
"Some among the wise and learned … have alluded to this in an enigmatic way, by adducing that God is not only just, but also merciful, and that it becomes the One who judges with justice to have sinners suffer in a measure that is proportional to their sins and then make them worthy of blessedness." -- *Theodore,* _Liber Scholiorum, 2:63_
"'All the kings of the earth shall adore him.' Some, indeed, in the present life willingly, but all the rest after the Resurrection; for not yet do we see all things subject to him, but then every knee shall bow to him." [The "kings of the earth" are rebellious unbelievers in Rev. 6:15, 17:2,18, 18:3,9, 19:19,21 ... but check out what happens in Rev. 21:24-27!] -- *Theodoret,* _On Psalm 72:11_
"Death shall come as a visitor to the impious; it will not be perpetual; it will not annihilate them; but will prolong its visit, till the impiety which is in them shall be consumed." [Matt. 5:26] -- *Jerome,* _On Micah 5:8_
"After the complete abolition of sin, praise shall be sung to God; which praise contain (implies) our being incapable of turning to sin ... when every created being shall be harmonized into one choir ... and when, like a cymbal, the reasonable creation, and that which is now severed by sin ... shall pour forth a pleasing strain, due to mutual harmony. Then comes the praise of every spirit for ever abounding with increase unto eternity." [Psalm 150] -- *Gregory of Nyssa,* _On Psalms, Tract 1, ch. 9_
Other church fathers who believed in eventual universal salvation include *Asterius, Bardaisan, Cyril of Alexandria, Didymus the Blind, Dionysius, Ephrem the Syrian, Gennadius, Hilary, John Cassian, John Chrysostom, Marcellus, Maximus the Confessor, Maximus of Turin, Methodius, Paulinus, Proclus, Titus of Basra & Victorinus.*
Sources: Thomas Allin, _Christ Triumphant,_ Annotated by Robin Parry edition, chapters 4-5 & Ilaria Ramelli, _A Larger Hope?, Volume 1: Universal Salvation from Christian Beginnings to Julian of Norwich,_ 2019
Has anyone been to hell even a flash moment, out of body experience etc… ?
yes there are accounts of it, including atheists.
NO! Hell is a FUTURE reality. Nobody has gone to hell yet, because hell is where people go to DIE for the 2nd time. NOBODY can go to hell and make it out alive.
Matt 10:28, Rev. 20:14-15
Hell is where the body and soul goes to die. People will go there on judgement day when Jesus comes back.
@@croissantlover1There's been Buddhist NDEs. Some people don't go to Heaven or Hell during NDEs and just float around the room.
@@storba3860 okay so they just float there forever?
@@croissantlover1 They return to their bodies when they wake up usually. NDEs aren't good proof of Hell. Especially since they vastly differ in what Hell looks like.
Imma bluntly honest man. I’m a Christian but I don’t get why God let sin happen, why was their a serpent in the garden, why did God let hell exist,etc and the reason why is because I don’t want anyone going to hell at all! Not even my worst enemy! It bothers me at the fact if you don’t follow God, you’ll end up in hell and it’s the truth. And I keep asking these questions because even the Bible says only few will be saved. And I keep asking why? Cause I’ve lost loved ones and I know they didn’t make it to heaven and it saddens me there suffering forever and ever. Why couldn’t God stop Satan from tempting Eve so non of this could of been happening and we could of been with God.
Same man, I’m a Christian and I have similar questions… I also wonder why God created angels and humans in the first place if he knew we are going to sin. Been struggling with these questions and no one seems to have the answer :( Idw anybody to go to hell
@@kai_553 yea mans these questions had changed my view on Christianity
@@nanoelbatero57 yeh man, but as much as I doubt his morality, I realised i can’t live without him. He is still my ultimate source of happiness. Still trying to learn how to have faith in him and believing that his design for the universe is perfect. It’s hard but still learning even with those burning questions. Continue to have faith mate 💪🏻
@@kai_553 Hell does not exist as it has been recently taught in the church. There's really no scriptural support for eternal concious torment.
@@kylesdraftvideos Yeah, people are raised from the dead and then cast into hell to die for the 2nd time for their sins. The wages of sin is DEATH, not eternal life while suffering. The punishment of hell is not accompanied by the gift of immortality, that would be absurd.
Is there levels to hell ?
Nah pal. Dante’s inferno is known as the ‘Devine Comedy’. It’s not to be taken as actual doctrine.
Not sure, but bible says hell was created for Satan and his angels. That should tell you something
If your god really wanted for his people to want to love him, then he should've rewarded his people by actually showing up for once. In order to entertain the fact that people can turn away from this god, they need to say that sinful things are what indirectly turn us away from god, otherwise there would be a much more difficult way to explain why hell exists for so many people, and why it is to be terrified of.
Oh, and by the way, as an atheist speaking, no. No, I do not "know" that your god exists, I am completely unconvinced that your god exists. I don't fear anything about him, nor do I hate him. His existence is completely removed from my mind, since I have never found enough evidence to prove his existence, and there is plenty of proof against his existence.
God did appear in his creation. You must have heard of Jesus? I would go into more details and scripture but you say you're an atheist so you probably won't want it.
Why would Jesus just appear for a few years to a few people, and then disappear?
*Why Hell Exists* Hell does not exist. The word "hell" appears in some translations of the Bible, yes, but hell (a place of eternal conscious torment) does not.
piper should get out of the business
Stop shouting we can’t hear you if you speak in a normal tone .
Paganism at its best.
Sheol = Hebrew =grave or pit.
Hades =Greek =grave or pit.
Gehenna =Greek =Valley of Hinnom.
Tartarus =Greek =outer darkness reserved for fallen angels.
Hell = pagan concept that came from Norse mythology.
Hell,comes from Germanic word hel, which means to cover over (bury).It's where we get the words helmet, helicopter ect.
Did god create hell?
Yes but not for people it was originally made for satan and his demons
What verse in the bible?
@@noelaring7756 Matthew 25:41, "Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels."
@@myballsitchsomethingfierce6319 if it was "prepared", that means the preparation was done by someone. Pretty much confirms God created hell
Bogus. Even if people send themselves to hell, so to speak, God allows it. So the question isn't why does God send someone to hell but it's rather a two-fold question. 1) Why does God allow someone to go to hell BUT better question than that - 2) Why doesn't God just not allow people into heaven? Why not there be the presence of God or not be in the presence of God? Seems like if heaven were the best of the best, the most beautiful place you could be then missing out on that for eternity would be punishment enough. Casting people into a place of torment and torture for eternity seems a bit sadistic when the other option is that when you die you just no longer exist. You are dead in every sense of the word. That is my 2 cents.
Definitely. A real God who wanted the best for everyone could come up with a million better options.
hell is just the absence of Gods love it's for ppl that didn't want absolutely nothing to do with Him
Ah, a double negative. So that means they do?
No, it's NOT just the absence of God. Hell is real and those who do not accept The Lord Jesus Christ as their only and exclusive Savior will spend eternity in this terrible place. Mt 25:46 "And these shall go into the everlasting tortures, but the righteous unto eternal life." // Dn 12: 2 "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall rise again, some for ETERNAL LIFE, and some for SHAME AND ETERNAL DESPREY.
@@mangiaquellochefaibene That's true because wha?t, some book says so? written my man and everyone just believes it without one single ounce of truth that you can grab ahold of? i never saw any of it in 15 years going to church...nothing, all bull shhit.
Hell was created for Satan and his angels.
The Good News is God has given us eternal life and this life is in his son, he who has the son has life (eternal life) and he who does not have the son does not have life. Eternal life is living forever, and that is something we did not have before having the Son. All unbelievers will not live forever because they do not have the Son. People are not born immortal. Believing in the Son qualifies us for immortality. A study of the Greek words in the historic grammatical usage in the New Testament will show that death, destruction, perish all mean the same thing.....cease to exist. The majority of passages in the new testament regarding final judgment uses these terms and their meaning is fixed from the historical Greek usage. There are a few exceptions in Revelations which you have used....but the exceptions are few in comparison with the vast majority of verses that talk about judgment. I won't say anymore, but the Gospel that is Good News does not include eternal torment....The Good News is that fellowship with the Son qualifies me to live forever. I can smile and be happy and thankful about that and share enthusiastically.
Amen. Glad people are waking up to the fact that the Bible teaches that the wages of sin is DEATH, not ETERNAL LIFE OF TORTURE 😬
Pastry John is a nutcase.
As usual, while John Piper talks a lot of sense here, his own underlying beliefs make it all a bit of a farce. If you believe in determinism as John Piper does, and everything that happens is determined by God, including sin, then the sins of the people who end up in hell would have been scripted and willed by God. Which makes the rest of his message, and the eternal punishment in hell nonsensical.
money nd sex is most powerful weapons that evil used to temp people's
God created everything even Hell. I don't think hes completely good but Just.
Zaira he is a sovereign God
@@jacobortwine7009 Just because it is written,and written very well in some book, does not make it true, and nobody can prove that, just blindly believe.....not me.
Eddieguitarloebs At the same time, you cannot disprove it.
Nothing just about hell.
I actually couldn't think of anything more unjust and despicable.
@@fundhund62 How so? People make mistakes and some don't pay the consequences during their life time. Depending on your religion if you follow any hell is not always eternal. There is also purgatory and levels to pay our sins. If I'm honest what do you expect for all of us to live in glory? Yes theres good people but also a lot of bad people in society.
Pretty much all Calvinists are kinder and more Good than the God of Calvinism.
No way that hell is real it’s not biblical I can’t believe it
Jesus said that Hell / Lake of Fire was created for the devil...not for man.
Matthew 25:41- The lake of fire was created for devil & the fallen angels... The fire is eternal because they are immortal. This is the ONLY passage that uses the phrase "they will be tormented day and night forever & ever"
All humans are Mortal... therefore the wicked will perish, be destroyed, die the second death.
Eternal life is the gift of God....the wicked will not inherit eternal life.
This is what the Bible teaches very clearly
How can destroyed people weep and gnash their teeth?
@@rdrift1879 “the unjust will rise to be condemned” . that’s in the New Testament
John, you are wrong. If God didn't want to kill, then sinners wouldn't be going to Hell, but being put to death, out of existence.
6 You shall not murder.
Murder as in put out of existence.
God follows this moral commandment by putting people in a place other than His own home, Heaven.
Once again your assumption is primitive and incorrect.
God did not create hell, Jesus did. Hell is not a place, it's an experience. Hell exists because many people are extremely selfish, borderline psychopaths, who have little to no empathy for others.
Hell is an intense nightmare. Hell is feeling all of the pain, suffering, and disappointment that you caused others. No one goes to hell forever. The amount of time you spend there depends on how much you did.
Great question. Our sin against God is every bit deserving of an everlasting, eternal hell.
Keith Thompson is it really?
@@GiantBluebirdYes.
@@radianteclipse113 How so?
Because God is that great. We think it wrong for a person to make fun of and insult a friend because of a disability because we see their value and are angered by the injustice of that valuable person being abused. How much more the infinite Godhead who is the source of all good and beauty... should He not be angered by His glory being spit and trodden upon?
William Neal God is more insulting to people with disabilities than you think. Remember in the Bible where it says men with damaged genitals couldn’t get into heaven? Yeah..
Simple he's evil who punishes us for a finite life that is predestined to begin with he is not love he put us in a sinful environment to be tempted and even gives the enemy power over us and he trys to blame us ? And punish us is that a joke
Maybe if your precious god actually revealed himself more to people they could actually value him over other things and maybe if he didn't only choose certain people to be saved that might help too.... everything your god seems to do is a mistake and ends up failing and then what does god do he punishes his creation
+Bryan Herbert
Each time you open the curtains in the morning and look at the lovely blue sky, and enjoy the radiant warmth of the sun do you think of God and give Him thanks for the beauty of nature all around you?
Each time you eat a delicious meal or consume a thirst quenching drink do you thank God for all the flavors that He has Created?
Each time you listen to music that stirs your emotions do you thank God for giving people the natural talent and ability to compose music?
The truth is, that God has revealed Himself very plainly in all that He has created and which we enjoy on a daily basis.
We all instinctively know that everything requires a builder, designer or creator. Nothing cannot create something. If u think otherwise can u name me one thing, just one, that has emerged from nothing?????
The problem is not that there isn't enough evidence for God, instead the problem is that we don't want to acknowledge God. We want to run our life our own way and not be told what to do.
Worse still many of us accept God but have formed an image of Him which resembles Santa Clause. A God who only loves and enjoys giving us good gifts and is there to meet all of our needs.
This is why hell exists.
Bryan Herbert Have you even read the bible?
Why would you post that? Why are you even here? You can't be a Christian with the way you are speaking...
Bryan Herbert God reveals himself to certain people, and we are supposed to sow the seeds of the Gospel to people who don't know him. It's our job.
This man is delusional
Jesus taught eternal hell,
@@raysonraypay5885No he didn’t!