I'm sure there are pinheads who will keep watching their vapid content but I find it impossible to respect Ethan on any level after debasing himself like this.
I think two things are happening with Ethan… Who I’m not a fan of, just observing him. Like many people who are part of any kind of group, when they see that group being put in a negative light the gut reaction is to defend instead of examine. Whether Ethan understands the issues or not is far less a factor than his reactions to any kind of criticism. The second thing is that it IS about him In his mind. This comes down to him, losing a debate with Hassan which I’m sure brought up his own internal deep racism, as well as what he would consider “humiliation“ due to the subject matter he lost about. If you notice, everything is a personal attack on Hassan or complaints that he’s not being acknowledged… He’s not arguing any technical issues that he may have in a political structure, just Hassan = BAD.
He’s constantly reframing an active genocide into “how antisemitism is affecting him.” Its an issue but it’s not “the issue” we should be focusing on right now.
Unfortunately Ethan will likely never stop his opposition to a one state solution because of Hila. I had previously liked Hila a lot but now I know that: 1. She served in the IDF 2. She got bored doing a desk job 3. She requested a transfer to a more "exciting" job supporting the occupation forces in the West Bank 4. She requested to go on a "ride along" with the occupation forces into the West Bank 5. She has called the war criminal Yoav Gallant a "moderate" and said he's a good guy
And my favorite one. When they watched a clip live of that bald man ( forgot his name) saying that Palestinian kids are raised to become savage terrorists & hilas reaction was to say “ i mean… 🤷♀️” as in not being against what he said & agreeing.
You shouldn’t have corrected yourself. Hasan is a major public figure on left media. There are no mainstream left figures in media. Very few in politics. Ethan is a lib. He was working that out on the show Leftovers. No doubt with friends and family pointing what left wing really means. He wouldn’t have stuck with Leftovers. And being lefty is hard. He isn’t up for that. And then Oct 7th he picked sides. He didn’t have to react the way he did. Hila the IDF wife no doubt involved. And then he does what he does. He made content. Threw his friendship/collaboration with Hasan away. He made content.
You are aware that her service in the IDF was government mandated, as it is for all Israeli citizens. It comes off incredibly reductive to refer to her as "The IDF wife".
@@Pherbergit is very easy to avoid service, so easy that her _own brother,_ Moses, avoided it! she even said if she wasn't reassigned somewhere "interesting," she would have just "gotten out of it." unfortunately, she thought being secretary to a squadron of west bank "grass mowers" was an "interesting" enough reassignment that she stuck with her service. 🤷 even _right now,_ when they need troops very badly, there are conscientious objectors who are refusing service as a political statement and their punishment has been 3-6 months in a very low security prison.
@@Pherberg there have been people that have refused to serve in the IDF, they are objectors that serve jail time. Muhammad Ali famously went to jail for refusing mandatory service during the Vietnam war. Hila also chose to go on "terrorist raids", aka raiding and harassing Palestinians in the middle of the night. Granted, she was required to follow orders while she was in, but clearly her brainwashing as all militaries perform would bias her view.
I think you should watch his arguments with Hasan. Ethan’s positions are pretty empathetic towards both groups of people in the conflict. Israel should exist; Palestine should exist. This is the correct take. If you find that radical, perhaps you should examine if its you that is the radical.
@@Jaaskle it's been over a year since his arguments with Hasan. i think you should consider all the awful stuff he's said in the meantime if you want to be honest about where Ethan stands on the issue, rather than calling people "radical" for believing a settler-colonial ethnostate can't be a good neighbor after the last year of _waves hands around manically._
Ethan isn’t just being accused of being Islamophobia because of his stance, he actively is being Islamophobic regularly. I no longer think Ethan is a good faith actor after his outright betrayal of Hasan’s goodwill.
As someone within the Hip Hop Community, I can assure you anti-Semitism was not and generally is not a problem within it any more than it is within the general populace of the United States. We aren't thinking about the Jews generally 🤷🏿♂️ in fact, if you look at the most prominent rapper to come out and say anything about Jewish people, Kanye West, and then look at how his statements were received by his contemporaries, I think you will see that he was pretty resoundingly condemned or dismissed. Personally, I don't know that what he said was necessarily anti-semitic when you listen to it in his full context, but if we're speaking about The hip Hop Community... I don't think it's fair to say that we're more anti-semitic than racist ass America.
One thing I never hear brought is drake's overall actions that coincide with his Jewish beliefs. He is doing EXACTLY what the worst of his faith says to do and I never hear that talked about. Black people in general tend to lump jewish things with white people
I’m in hip hop as well so I’m not speaking as an outsider You used Kanye as an example, and yeah he was mostly condemned, but a lot of people are still working with him and even more people still support him vocally, those are more so the people I’m talking about. In my view there’s a lack of class consciousness in hip hop which naturally leads people to come to bad conclusions about the hierarchies of the world. I wasn’t saying hip hop is more antisemitic then America at large, but more then the American left for sure because the American left has class consciousness and hip hop is more aligned with capitalism
@ebknowsflows thank you for responding. Overall I agree with like 95% of what was said in this video and I want to make that clear because often when we express any dissenting views, it comes across as disagreement with the entirety of what was presented and that's not the case here. I'd say it's objectively true when you say that a lot of people still worked with Kanye, but I don't think that speaks to anti-semitism in hip hop. Hip Hop is a culture cultivated from America 's lowest and most underserved classes. Hip hop in many instances has openly championed violence, misogyny, drug abuse and other behaviors that one could describe as degenerate (I don't judge). There are literally anthems for these kind of behaviors. I don't see any one particularly supporting Kanye's views in the way that some of the aforementioned behaviors have been cosigned. So while yes people are still working with him, I'd say he is the rule and not an exception. Hip hop very rarely throws people away. Look at how long it took for people to stop working with R Kelly 🤷🏿♂️. I think it's a modern American West idea that because someone holds an opinion that you don't agree with that, you have to cease all contact or collaboration with them. So yes, while people still work with Ye, I don't take that to be an endorsement on their part of the things that he said as an individual. Also again hip hop comes from the trenches. I've never known an era of hip hop in which there wasn't a connection to poverty, the working class, etc. I think there's a disproportionate foc us on attaining wealth because when you grow up without it, you have a particular desire for it. Also funny enough, Kanye alluded to record executives in the control they have over what music gets played over airwaves, but this is not a complaint that he originated, It's been spoken about for decades but people have been dismissive of the voices that spoke up for a number of different reasons. But even now on the mainstream level, Just look at the past year. The conversation has been The so-called big three of Kendrick Lamar, Drake and J. Cole. Two of those three are notorious for being down to earth and non-materialistic and they've been at the pinnacle for a good 10 to 15 years. Finally, the idea that the American left has class consciousness is just something I fundamentally disagree with... Well I guess it depends on how you define the 'left'. I'm a Malcolm X baby. I think the American left is a pseudo left. Quasi-liberal. The American left very much seems content enough with the status quo that they undermine any real revolutionary or transformative action. They argue about presidential elections as if any candidate from a major party is going to create change and isn't a hired hand of the mega elite. I think rap music is very much a spectrum, but if we're talking about speaking truth to power and revolution, I don't know that there's a genre of music more class conscious than hip hop.
@@hjr228Yeah that has to be ome of the most ignorant takes ive ever heard lol, saying that hip hop is the genre of capitalism is so purely braindead it actually gave me cancer 😂
I dig your videos man, and I'd like to give you a small tip that I think might help them get noticed. Your thumbnails are consistent with your overall color pallete, but you aren't using the orange. Try maybe orange outlines, experiment with incorporating orange into the text, and maybe even amplify the grain in the background vs the smoother images of those you're discussing in the foreground. These things will remain consistent to your look, but help the thumbs pop a bit more to random viewers.... I'd comment on the content of the vid, but I'm talked out now lol. Maybe next time. Later :)
Just my opinion, but I’m in hip hop so it comes from experience. It’s a natural side effect of “revolutionaries” that want to still own capital and be “bosses.” If you don’t grow your class consciousness you land on other forms of bigotry in trying to figure out the hierarchies of the world
Rappaport was a big supporter of a part of the NY/HC scene (New York Hardcore scene) bands like H20. But whatever H20 espoused, he has not adhered to with his hard pivot.
hey, i'm from israel and i agree with most of what you said here (and there are a lot of israelis who would also agree). I just wanted to point out that it's not true that only jews can vote in israel. muslims, christians and anyone who is a citizen can vote. there are arabic partys in the knesset (the israeli parliament) and both muslims, christians and even jews vote for them. again, i agree with a lot of your points and i'm not saying that israel is a perfect place, far from it. believe me, i know. i just wanted to point that out because i thought you would like to know that. thank you for your content, i like your channel. keep it up :)
@@iamjanedoe4real absolutely. that's why i specified that only who is considered a citizen can vote, and that's not only jews. but of course there are lot who are not considered citizens, primarily in the west bank, and that is horrible. like i said, i'm not here to defend israel's treatment of palestinians or to fight with anyone, just wanted to add some info on the subject.
The difference between "the only people who can vote are Jews" and "the only people who can't vote are non-Jews" is so ridiculous that this is why more and more people are turning on Israel lmao what is the point of "explaining" this "nuance" here? What a totally useless hill
@@amir4there are countless videos online of Israelis showing how they feel about other's in and around Israel. The settler issue alone is so out of the ordinary in a modern perspective
@@LedronJamesLeftNut Fair enough but this commenter genuinely seems to make a little addendum. And it's true that Israeli Arabs can vote. It doesn't subtract from any of the points raised or any of the criticism towards Israel, including who is and isn't considered a citizen.
you definitely can vote in Israel if your not Jewish, as long as you are a citizen, twenty percent of Israelis are Arab in fact, not to mention other non Jewish groups.
@@creshiell why?... I'm just saying that since we are talking about ethno state the fact that they are Palestines is not as relevant as them being Arab, since Arab is an ethnicity.
I believe the ideology runs much deeper with Ethan than he lets up. His wife is deeply Zionist by all accounts, and so is Ethan’s entire extended family. He is “careful” with his rhetoric around the issue, but it’s more guilt by omission with him imo. Rappaport has been much more brazen, where I think that Ethan has been, again, more “careful,” given his community. I think the question should be why this is so hard for him when his entire career is built around nitpicking and criticizing others.
@@josueangeles89 well like I said it’s guilt by omission. sort of a cowards way out. him centering the conversation around Hasan and himself . Imagine that kind of discourse around something like… Black Lives Matter or lgbtq rights domestically. It would be clear as day as to where he stands.
@@josueangeles89 ethan has consistently aligned himself with a genocidal apartheid state, and defends the architect of the genocide as a "good guy" because his dumb wife filters the general (dumb) propaganda spread in Israel to him, so he can filter it to other idiots (you) do you need an in-depth explanation on why apartheid and genocide are bad?
I'm sure there are pinheads who will keep watching their vapid content but I find it impossible to respect Ethan on any level after debasing himself like this.
Amen
Wow, so morally pure. Its cute that you use this level of condemnation about a subject you only learned about a year ago. What a white liberal take
@@Jaaskle Thank you for your ridiculously pure 'white liberal' input.
I think Ethan's problem is that he seems to want/think it's all about him. Which is pretty disgusting in and of itself.
I think two things are happening with Ethan… Who I’m not a fan of, just observing him. Like many people who are part of any kind of group, when they see that group being put in a negative light the gut reaction is to defend instead of examine. Whether Ethan understands the issues or not is far less a factor than his reactions to any kind of criticism.
The second thing is that it IS about him In his mind. This comes down to him, losing a debate with Hassan which I’m sure brought up his own internal deep racism, as well as what he would consider “humiliation“ due to the subject matter he lost about. If you notice, everything is a personal attack on Hassan or complaints that he’s not being acknowledged… He’s not arguing any technical issues that he may have in a political structure, just Hassan = BAD.
He’s constantly reframing an active genocide into “how antisemitism is affecting him.” Its an issue but it’s not “the issue” we should be focusing on right now.
He wants to be the main character
Unfortunately Ethan will likely never stop his opposition to a one state solution because of Hila. I had previously liked Hila a lot but now I know that:
1. She served in the IDF
2. She got bored doing a desk job
3. She requested a transfer to a more "exciting" job supporting the occupation forces in the West Bank
4. She requested to go on a "ride along" with the occupation forces into the West Bank
5. She has called the war criminal Yoav Gallant a "moderate" and said he's a good guy
Don’t forget she described her ride-along as “going to a terrorist town”.
It was a Palestinian community.
And my favorite one. When they watched a clip live of that bald man ( forgot his name) saying that Palestinian kids are raised to become savage terrorists & hilas reaction was to say “ i mean… 🤷♀️” as in not being against what he said & agreeing.
You deserve a larger audience. Very well said.
Not really lol this guy is kinda racist himself even if i agree with his general point
You shouldn’t have corrected yourself. Hasan is a major public figure on left media. There are no mainstream left figures in media. Very few in politics. Ethan is a lib. He was working that out on the show Leftovers. No doubt with friends and family pointing what left wing really means. He wouldn’t have stuck with Leftovers. And being lefty is hard. He isn’t up for that. And then Oct 7th he picked sides. He didn’t have to react the way he did. Hila the IDF wife no doubt involved. And then he does what he does. He made content. Threw his friendship/collaboration with Hasan away. He made content.
You are aware that her service in the IDF was government mandated, as it is for all Israeli citizens. It comes off incredibly reductive to refer to her as "The IDF wife".
@@Pherbergit is very easy to avoid service, so easy that her _own brother,_ Moses, avoided it! she even said if she wasn't reassigned somewhere "interesting," she would have just "gotten out of it." unfortunately, she thought being secretary to a squadron of west bank "grass mowers" was an "interesting" enough reassignment that she stuck with her service. 🤷
even _right now,_ when they need troops very badly, there are conscientious objectors who are refusing service as a political statement and their punishment has been 3-6 months in a very low security prison.
@@Pherberg there have been people that have refused to serve in the IDF, they are objectors that serve jail time. Muhammad Ali famously went to jail for refusing mandatory service during the Vietnam war. Hila also chose to go on "terrorist raids", aka raiding and harassing Palestinians in the middle of the night. Granted, she was required to follow orders while she was in, but clearly her brainwashing as all militaries perform would bias her view.
I think you should watch his arguments with Hasan. Ethan’s positions are pretty empathetic towards both groups of people in the conflict. Israel should exist; Palestine should exist. This is the correct take. If you find that radical, perhaps you should examine if its you that is the radical.
@@Jaaskle it's been over a year since his arguments with Hasan. i think you should consider all the awful stuff he's said in the meantime if you want to be honest about where Ethan stands on the issue, rather than calling people "radical" for believing a settler-colonial ethnostate can't be a good neighbor after the last year of _waves hands around manically._
“Maybe Palestinian children shouldn’t die” most ppl
“That’s antisemitic”Ethan Kline.
👍🏻 well thought out and presented.thank you
Ethan isn’t just being accused of being Islamophobia because of his stance, he actively is being Islamophobic regularly. I no longer think Ethan is a good faith actor after his outright betrayal of Hasan’s goodwill.
As someone within the Hip Hop Community, I can assure you anti-Semitism was not and generally is not a problem within it any more than it is within the general populace of the United States. We aren't thinking about the Jews generally 🤷🏿♂️ in fact, if you look at the most prominent rapper to come out and say anything about Jewish people, Kanye West, and then look at how his statements were received by his contemporaries, I think you will see that he was pretty resoundingly condemned or dismissed.
Personally, I don't know that what he said was necessarily anti-semitic when you listen to it in his full context, but if we're speaking about The hip Hop Community... I don't think it's fair to say that we're more anti-semitic than racist ass America.
One thing I never hear brought is drake's overall actions that coincide with his Jewish beliefs. He is doing EXACTLY what the worst of his faith says to do and I never hear that talked about. Black people in general tend to lump jewish things with white people
I’m in hip hop as well so I’m not speaking as an outsider
You used Kanye as an example, and yeah he was mostly condemned, but a lot of people are still working with him and even more people still support him vocally, those are more so the people I’m talking about.
In my view there’s a lack of class consciousness in hip hop which naturally leads people to come to bad conclusions about the hierarchies of the world.
I wasn’t saying hip hop is more antisemitic then America at large, but more then the American left for sure because the American left has class consciousness and hip hop is more aligned with capitalism
@ebknowsflows thank you for responding. Overall I agree with like 95% of what was said in this video and I want to make that clear because often when we express any dissenting views, it comes across as disagreement with the entirety of what was presented and that's not the case here.
I'd say it's objectively true when you say that a lot of people still worked with Kanye, but I don't think that speaks to anti-semitism in hip hop. Hip Hop is a culture cultivated from America 's lowest and most underserved classes. Hip hop in many instances has openly championed violence, misogyny, drug abuse and other behaviors that one could describe as degenerate (I don't judge). There are literally anthems for these kind of behaviors. I don't see any one particularly supporting Kanye's views in the way that some of the aforementioned behaviors have been cosigned. So while yes people are still working with him, I'd say he is the rule and not an exception. Hip hop very rarely throws people away. Look at how long it took for people to stop working with R Kelly 🤷🏿♂️. I think it's a modern American West idea that because someone holds an opinion that you don't agree with that, you have to cease all contact or collaboration with them. So yes, while people still work with Ye, I don't take that to be an endorsement on their part of the things that he said as an individual.
Also again hip hop comes from the trenches. I've never known an era of hip hop in which there wasn't a connection to poverty, the working class, etc. I think there's a disproportionate foc us on attaining wealth because when you grow up without it, you have a particular desire for it. Also funny enough, Kanye alluded to record executives in the control they have over what music gets played over airwaves, but this is not a complaint that he originated, It's been spoken about for decades but people have been dismissive of the voices that spoke up for a number of different reasons.
But even now on the mainstream level, Just look at the past year. The conversation has been The so-called big three of Kendrick Lamar, Drake and J. Cole. Two of those three are notorious for being down to earth and non-materialistic and they've been at the pinnacle for a good 10 to 15 years.
Finally, the idea that the American left has class consciousness is just something I fundamentally disagree with... Well I guess it depends on how you define the 'left'. I'm a Malcolm X baby. I think the American left is a pseudo left. Quasi-liberal. The American left very much seems content enough with the status quo that they undermine any real revolutionary or transformative action. They argue about presidential elections as if any candidate from a major party is going to create change and isn't a hired hand of the mega elite.
I think rap music is very much a spectrum, but if we're talking about speaking truth to power and revolution, I don't know that there's a genre of music more class conscious than hip hop.
@@hjr228Yeah that has to be ome of the most ignorant takes ive ever heard lol, saying that hip hop is the genre of capitalism is so purely braindead it actually gave me cancer 😂
I dig your videos man, and I'd like to give you a small tip that I think might help them get noticed. Your thumbnails are consistent with your overall color pallete, but you aren't using the orange. Try maybe orange outlines, experiment with incorporating orange into the text, and maybe even amplify the grain in the background vs the smoother images of those you're discussing in the foreground. These things will remain consistent to your look, but help the thumbs pop a bit more to random viewers....
I'd comment on the content of the vid, but I'm talked out now lol. Maybe next time. Later :)
ended up subscribing cus i really liked the video c:
Very well said!
18:36 based on what? how can you say there’s more antisemitism in the hip hop world? based on what data? what stats?
Just my opinion, but I’m in hip hop so it comes from experience.
It’s a natural side effect of “revolutionaries” that want to still own capital and be “bosses.” If you don’t grow your class consciousness you land on other forms of bigotry in trying to figure out the hierarchies of the world
The WW2 narrative does not hold up.
Rappaport was a big supporter of a part of the NY/HC scene (New York Hardcore scene) bands like H20. But whatever H20 espoused, he has not adhered to with his hard pivot.
Thank you
well said
hey, i'm from israel and i agree with most of what you said here (and there are a lot of israelis who would also agree). I just wanted to point out that it's not true that only jews can vote in israel. muslims, christians and anyone who is a citizen can vote. there are arabic partys in the knesset (the israeli parliament) and both muslims, christians and even jews vote for them. again, i agree with a lot of your points and i'm not saying that israel is a perfect place, far from it. believe me, i know. i just wanted to point that out because i thought you would like to know that. thank you for your content, i like your channel. keep it up :)
You also should clarify exactly what ¨citizen¨ means in Israel, cause then you can really see how much of an apartheid state it is. Be honest.
@@iamjanedoe4real absolutely. that's why i specified that only who is considered a citizen can vote, and that's not only jews. but of course there are lot who are not considered citizens, primarily in the west bank, and that is horrible. like i said, i'm not here to defend israel's treatment of palestinians or to fight with anyone, just wanted to add some info on the subject.
The difference between "the only people who can vote are Jews" and "the only people who can't vote are non-Jews" is so ridiculous that this is why more and more people are turning on Israel lmao what is the point of "explaining" this "nuance" here? What a totally useless hill
@@amir4there are countless videos online of Israelis showing how they feel about other's in and around Israel. The settler issue alone is so out of the ordinary in a modern perspective
@@LedronJamesLeftNut Fair enough but this commenter genuinely seems to make a little addendum. And it's true that Israeli Arabs can vote. It doesn't subtract from any of the points raised or any of the criticism towards Israel, including who is and isn't considered a citizen.
you definitely can vote in Israel if your not Jewish, as long as you are a citizen, twenty percent of Israelis are Arab in fact, not to mention other non Jewish groups.
They are Palestinian, not just arab.
@@arimas1977 sure but Palestinian is a nationality not an ethnicity.
@@shirmaman1886 what a dumb thing to say
@@shirmaman1886jewish isn't an ethnicity in Israel either. There's a reason that ancestry testing is illegal there
@@creshiell why?... I'm just saying that since we are talking about ethno state the fact that they are Palestines is not as relevant as them being Arab, since Arab is an ethnicity.
Deeply dishonest TH-cam channel. Keep telling those lies!
I’m with Ethan on this one. Raps on his own tho
Then you're wrong with ethan
I believe the ideology runs much deeper with Ethan than he lets up. His wife is deeply Zionist by all accounts, and so is Ethan’s entire extended family. He is “careful” with his rhetoric around the issue, but it’s more guilt by omission with him imo. Rappaport has been much more brazen, where I think that Ethan has been, again, more “careful,” given his community. I think the question should be why this is so hard for him when his entire career is built around nitpicking and criticizing others.
@ as far as what has Ethan said that would make you think I’m wrong along side him for agreeing?
@@josueangeles89 well like I said it’s guilt by omission. sort of a cowards way out. him centering the conversation around Hasan and himself . Imagine that kind of discourse around something like… Black Lives Matter or lgbtq rights domestically. It would be clear as day as to where he stands.
@@josueangeles89 ethan has consistently aligned himself with a genocidal apartheid state, and defends the architect of the genocide as a "good guy" because his dumb wife filters the general (dumb) propaganda spread in Israel to him, so he can filter it to other idiots (you)
do you need an in-depth explanation on why apartheid and genocide are bad?