@@madhumitamondal7553 not to mention that he's giving CJ 4 weapons in his house at Tierra Robada which 3 of them are high-powered weapons (minigun, RPG, and thermal-locking bazooka) and 1 flamethrower
@@sweetpotatopie9832 The Rapper that voiced Ryder, MC Eiht, beefed with Rockstar. Rockstar has history with overworking Voice Actors and underpaying them. Dunno if they really underpaid said VAs or if the VAs signed the contracts and them wanted raises. After MC Eiht left, Rockstar used previously recorded lines and spliced them together for his final appearance in Pier 69.
@@mateusfolletto6142 kinda dumb move for them they could've replaced the dude with anyone there are thousands of people who sound like MC Eiht they didn't need the dude at all so kinda dumb for them
@@aiseruchaan The territories reset back after this mission, forcing you to do them all over again near the end of the game, except at that time they stay green forever
If it wasn’t for Cesar CJ and Sweet would have been left in the dark and at some point would have been killed at some point if they hadn’t learned about their betrayal
Carl would go to the ambush regardless. Question is, how things’ll unfold from that point forward. If Carl successfully got Sweet away from the gunfight unscathed somehow, they would be in the dark about the betrayal. It seems that the Ballas’ victory over the Families made them more brave in conquering their territories. With Carl and Sweet around that doesn’t occur. At some point I think Sweet would learn of the Rifa’s involvement with the Loco Syndicate and ask Carl to investigate, but because he doesn’t meet Woozie, that job is harder, unless the Aztecas help the Johnsons. Cesar might still try to convince Carl that Smoke and Ryder betrayed them, but with CRASH’s leverage over him, it’s hard to imagine how he would rid himself of them. I guess Tenpenny would continually blackmail CJ and wouldn’t try to kill him because the Families’ position would be stronger for the majority of the war. Question is, what would happen if Smoke and Ryder’s betrayal were to be exposed.
Big Smoke's betrayal is actually foreshadowed from the very beginning. Here are the clues: 1. He didn't attend the Johnson siblings' mom's funeral, instead he waits for Sweet to come home to be killed. The Ballas only target CJ & Sweet on their way home. 2. In the mission "Drive Thru", his ridiculously big order is actually a ruse for the Ballas (whom Big Smoke refuses to kill) to attack Grove Street. When CJ & Sweet talked about their mom's murder, he instead tells everyone to eat their meal. 3. When CJ asked him why he moved to Idlewood, which is Ballas territory, he claims the money he needed to buy the new house is from his late aunt, when the money is actually from the deal with Tenpenny to kill Sweet, not to mention CRASH always coming to his house. 4. He spouts random gibberish during his missions. Also, when Ryder's missions are to restore the Grove Street Families to its former glory, Big Smoke's missions had nothing to do with said gang. 5. His Glendale's license plate reads "A2TMFK", with 2T can either mean 2 ton (He's fat) or two-timing (Traitor). His initials also look suspiscious.
I believe the original plan was to never have Ryder betray Grove Street, all his missions benefited the hood meanwhile Smoke's was more for his personal gain, CJ doesn't even mention his betrayal during this mission only in later missions which I'll assume were recorded after the change in direction. The mission where you kill Ryder, his dialogue sounded more like sound bits rather than actual lines for the mission.
Story wise, Ryder merely did those things to protect himself and subvert expectations. He wasn’t very important in the alliance of Smoke and Tenpenny, which contributed to the crack epidemic. He became relevant later. He was always hostile towards Carl and if you think about it, like Micah he also did questionable things, contrary to his betrayal. Micah convinced Dutch to kill Leviticus Cornwall, the agents’ employer despite the fact that he was spying for them. He did those things to protect himself, his own skin. Ryder’s betrayal isn’t handled well, yes, but in hindsight when you see things from his perspective, it’s more clear. He never forgave Carl, never gave a crap about him. Smoke was a coward and a rat, so that is why he fled in Reuniting the Families. Why did Ryder did? Why didn’t he fight to ensure Sweet’s chance of survival are high from the beginning instead of looking like a coward? Which I add, is not in his character, unless he had another agenda. And that is perfectly summarised in his words: “it’s every motherfucker for himself”.
Cesar really helped out CJ if he haven't called him CJ and sweet would have got ambushed by the ballas. I still can't believe Ryder and Big Smoke betrayed Groove Street. But there is a saying: *The saddest thing about betrayal is that it never comes from your enemies*
Ryder wasn't going to betray CJ in original story, but things went wrong with the voice actor of Ryder and Rockstar games. That's why Ryder didn't got any "new line" on mission "pier 69" where developers make him die. Ps: if you actually focus on storyline in original series, you won't find *cutscenes of Ryder betraying/speaking ill of grove* as we kill him in mission, there's no cutscene and just "mission passed" . Rip Ryder, he was a tru homie ♡
ryder was not supposed to be a traitor but the character who gave him the voice had to complete the album as evidenced by the fact that no one ever mentions until the show when you need to kill him
Ryder originally wasn’t a Traitor until some internal issues happened. I guess re-recording the lines to mention Ryder was out of the question that late into game development.
well actually MC Eiht said he recorded every lines as Ryder, so Rockstar wanted to make him a traitor from the beginning but the execution isn't done so well because it was unclear in which mission he was supposed to betray and so they added his model in this one. MC Eiht asked Rockstar for confirmation and they said that's what they wanted to do with his character
@@harithdanial141that's not true. Just a popular community myth. Also the Ryder's voice actor is a rapper and one of his tracks was added to GTA V radio.
@@arneshpal7702 that's the mission when you fly by the vietnamese ship with the triads and the helicopter gets taken down, you lose everyhing but a knife
It would’ve been better if he died during this mission, while defending Sweet at the shootout. It’s better than having him betray Grove Street from out of nowhere.
Anyone else bothered by the fact that CJ enters Cesar's car from the passenger side, ends up in the driver seat during the cut scene, then yells at Cesar to go GO. Cesar then gets out. Cutscene ends and then CJ exits the car from the passenger lmao like what is this continuity.
Thing that’s always bothered me a bit in terms of realism is that the player is almost always the driver. For playability, of course, but it still bothers me.
It also bothers me how obvious it would be to see cesar and cj in the car in the eyes of smoke, the ballas, ryder or the cops. Like in real life they would be able to see the car right across the street with two people staring dead at them lmao
Positive lessons from GTA SA and i called this game as one of the best. 1. CJ came home as a loser and a buster. Despite the facts that CJ left Los Santos because his little bro, Brian died because of CJ. CJ came home 5 years later, improving, improving and improving to be the better person. Until the end of the line, killed his own childhood friend and became success by having a casino, showroom, Madd Dogg's manager, etc 2. Become a mission man. CJ is the father of a mission. Every mission he walked through are not easy. He must killed some people, stole some military weapon, burglary, capture an enemy territory, helped some unknown folks, helped the antagonist of the game, killed his own friends, undercover as one of a syndicate, robbing a casino, stealing a jet from the military ship, etc. Every mission, is for his family, Sweet, Kendl, Cesar and the GSF. 3. Keep your eyes on your close friends, he may betray you As we know, Smoke and Ryder betrayed GSF in the middle of the storyline. There's some sign that Smoke will betray the families. But Ryder? I don't think so. 4. You never know, if you never try In the whole storyline, CJ doing some new things that never came to his life. For example, doing business, fly a plane or helicopter, messing with some mafias, become the manager of the greatest rapper in that era That's all from the lesson. By the way, is this too long?
this may be dramatic but i would always deliberately delay playing this mission. i would roam around LS, recruit some homies and bond with them, and just stay too long at ganton. the mission still hits so hard even though i've played it numerous times already.
As for me, I take all gang territories and kill drug dealers as many as I could (2000$ per kill) before taking on this mission. I also prefer taking territories alone rather than inviting gang members to join, they would just be a dead weight for me.
Thank you for you service Mr.GTA series! I simply love watching these remaster missions on my lunch break & admire the nostalgic story of GTA SanAndreas
The lack of music at the "Mission Passed" really emphasizes Carl's darkest hour in the game. He's been exiled from his home, Grove Street's been absorbed into Smokes new drug business, Sweet is locked up, he has no idea if Kendl is safe. It doesn't feel like a success at all.
Ryder is actually our real homie. He betrayed us because of his voice actor. Also in game, you can't hear anybody talks about Ryder. Ryder's mission are for making GSF stronger again. But Smoke's are for nothing.
Cesar and Toreno are the ones who kept CJ alive by getting him known about the betrayal and providing security to sweet and to release him after doing couple of jobs for him.
@@standuser69 Yeah I heard that. Even if the voice actor left the making of the game midway, Rockstar could still of made Ryder stayed with Grove Street and have him killed by the ballas to give more reasons to hate Smoke & Tenpenny. When I first did this mission I was wondering why CJ didn't mention Ryder as well.
@@OristoRealityZone I mean they could but it would be bad because of lack of dialogue will make the game will not feel that good in my opinion rockstar did the right thing
Another slight difference from Rockstar, is in the OG game , when you pullup to help sweet, your homies are still alive and defending Sweet , but run off when the police come. In the remastered, they’re all dead upon arrival and it’s just you left defending sweet until the end, sad ending
At 8:03 where Pulaski says "We want you to do a little favor for us, Carl." he finally moves his mouth while saying that. In the older Versions (Ps2, Xbox, PC) he doesnt moves his mouth while saying this sentence.
They fixed the mouth movement when Pulaski says: We want you to do a little favor for us Carl. In the original when says that line his mouth didn't move
while at the same time the camera tried to prevent us seeing CJ say half his lines in the green saber cut scene and in some parts, hold on a still frame
I know Ryder was meant to be loyal originally so I like to imagine he wasn't in the Green Sabre mission at all because he had to go to court for a hearing. Ryder missed what happens and wonders where the homies at and why the Ballas are moving into Grove St. CJ has a mission to save Ryder and Emmett while Caesar leaves LS with Kendl
I just realized in this mission, CJ didn't leave sweet even he was told too to makeup on what happens to brian. Made me wonder if brian actually say the same thing as sweet, and CJ actually leave him.
3:04 The moment I cried back in 2011 when I played the game first at the age of 6, since then I played it out 8 times but I could never hold some tears in at this scene.
You know, with the whole thing about Ryder not supposed to be a traitor, wonder how it would it feels if it turns out that he is already dead in the ambush when CJ arrives to rescue Sweet.
actually ryder is supposedly not to betray the GSF in the story but his voice actor got retired out so they decided to make him traitor and get killed in one of the missions
3:02 I thought it's a bug or glitch, but, Rockstar made a change during this scene, but with third camera, maybe there are some bugs or glitches From this mission, we finally know that Cesar is your homie all along, CJ
@@ankihansen2489 Actually CJ never wanted to be a gang member. He did his best to escape the hood and lead a simple life. You can easily hear this in the San Fierro missions, in his dialogues about how much he loves this city, and in his argue with Sweet in the "Home Coming".
8:45 almost more time! "Now you stay the f*ck away from Konan and Nagato, and stay the F*ck away from us. When otherwise Issac is going to find himself on a duelist city on the block getting in touch with his Potential side."
What I don’t get is how Smoke and Ryder’s betrayal made Sweet lose the fight. Seems like, if anything, made Grove street lose is CJ simply not being there.
You'd think after all these years with this new "definitive edition", they would address Ryder in this scene. Like I know they probably couldn't get a hold of the original voice actors (or even get the same quality of voice) but they have the original raw voice lines. They could have at least cobbled up a dialogue line of CJ acknowledging Ryder being shown in this scene.
I can't believe Big Smoke and Ryder betrayed the GSF, it goes to show you what Michael Corleone ((Al Pacino)) in The Godfather part 2: "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"
Ryder wasn't supposed to be betray to Cj and GSF in original story, because the voice actor has quit in the middle of the game or story, the green sabre original scene, Smoke, Ballas, Tenpenny and Pulaski, The Rockstar has decided to kill his character, Only Big Smoke has betray to cj and GSF. Ryder wasn't originally planned to be traitor
The thing I still don't understand about this mission is how were sweet and the homies walking into a trap? Big Smoke and Ryder weren't at the meeting so they wouldn't have been able to tell the Ballas where to ambush The Grove Street families.
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This mission solidifies the fact that Cesar was a true homie in this game.
@@Tomakia8 toreno also because he kept his promise that he will release sweet if cj works for him.
@@madhumitamondal7553 not to mention that he's giving CJ 4 weapons in his house at Tierra Robada which 3 of them are high-powered weapons (minigun, RPG, and thermal-locking bazooka) and 1 flamethrower
@@sweetpotatopie9832 The Rapper that voiced Ryder, MC Eiht, beefed with Rockstar. Rockstar has history with overworking Voice Actors and underpaying them. Dunno if they really underpaid said VAs or if the VAs signed the contracts and them wanted raises.
After MC Eiht left, Rockstar used previously recorded lines and spliced them together for his final appearance in Pier 69.
@@mateusfolletto6142 kinda dumb move for them they could've replaced the dude with anyone there are thousands of people who sound like MC Eiht they didn't need the dude at all so kinda dumb for them
@@mateusfolletto6142 he didnt really had beef... he stated that he was doing his thing and rockstar changed it at the end
Big Smoke still betrayed Grove street but in HD
@@syd606 Yeah!
@@syd606 ryder didnt. his voice actor did
@@syd606 you're funny
Biggie smalls and easy e said fuck the grove
caught in 4k
RIP to all those who tried to gain more territories before coming to this mission.
I did it back in 2004 n after this mission it was a hard blow knowing ballas taken over everything my teenage ass was depressed for a few weeks. xP
What happens? I tookover LS in Doberman earlier.
@@aiseruchaan The Ballas take over everything and they run CJ and everyone out of Los Santos
@@aiseruchaan The territories reset back after this mission, forcing you to do them all over again near the end of the game, except at that time they stay green forever
@@Fission889 not forever dude
If it wasn’t for Cesar CJ and Sweet would have been left in the dark and at some point would have been killed at some point if they hadn’t learned about their betrayal
Cj probably be survive but Sweet doesn't if CJ wasn't there to help him
Carl would go to the ambush regardless. Question is, how things’ll unfold from that point forward. If Carl successfully got Sweet away from the gunfight unscathed somehow, they would be in the dark about the betrayal. It seems that the Ballas’ victory over the Families made them more brave in conquering their territories. With Carl and Sweet around that doesn’t occur. At some point I think Sweet would learn of the Rifa’s involvement with the Loco Syndicate and ask Carl to investigate, but because he doesn’t meet Woozie, that job is harder, unless the Aztecas help the Johnsons. Cesar might still try to convince Carl that Smoke and Ryder betrayed them, but with CRASH’s leverage over him, it’s hard to imagine how he would rid himself of them. I guess Tenpenny would continually blackmail CJ and wouldn’t try to kill him because the Families’ position would be stronger for the majority of the war. Question is, what would happen if Smoke and Ryder’s betrayal were to be exposed.
He’s be fine CJ would’ve respanwed at the hospital
@@yathaarth2676 hhaha ur right bro
@@yathaarth2676shit you spoiled it kid
Big Smoke's betrayal is actually foreshadowed from the very beginning. Here are the clues:
1. He didn't attend the Johnson siblings' mom's funeral, instead he waits for Sweet to come home to be killed. The Ballas only target CJ & Sweet on their way home.
2. In the mission "Drive Thru", his ridiculously big order is actually a ruse for the Ballas (whom Big Smoke refuses to kill) to attack Grove Street. When CJ & Sweet talked about their mom's murder, he instead tells everyone to eat their meal.
3. When CJ asked him why he moved to Idlewood, which is Ballas territory, he claims the money he needed to buy the new house is from his late aunt, when the money is actually from the deal with Tenpenny to kill Sweet, not to mention CRASH always coming to his house.
4. He spouts random gibberish during his missions. Also, when Ryder's missions are to restore the Grove Street Families to its former glory, Big Smoke's missions had nothing to do with said gang.
5. His Glendale's license plate reads "A2TMFK", with 2T can either mean 2 ton (He's fat) or two-timing (Traitor). His initials also look suspiscious.
Yep, I believe Smoke also worked with the Ballas to kill CJ's mom
I believe the original plan was to never have Ryder betray Grove Street, all his missions benefited the hood meanwhile Smoke's was more for his personal gain, CJ doesn't even mention his betrayal during this mission only in later missions which I'll assume were recorded after the change in direction. The mission where you kill Ryder, his dialogue sounded more like sound bits rather than actual lines for the mission.
I also believed that ryder was forced to betray or he will get killed
That's last point is why it makes no sense Ryder is a traitor as well
Story wise, Ryder merely did those things to protect himself and subvert expectations. He wasn’t very important in the alliance of Smoke and Tenpenny, which contributed to the crack epidemic. He became relevant later. He was always hostile towards Carl and if you think about it, like Micah he also did questionable things, contrary to his betrayal. Micah convinced Dutch to kill Leviticus Cornwall, the agents’ employer despite the fact that he was spying for them. He did those things to protect himself, his own skin. Ryder’s betrayal isn’t handled well, yes, but in hindsight when you see things from his perspective, it’s more clear. He never forgave Carl, never gave a crap about him. Smoke was a coward and a rat, so that is why he fled in Reuniting the Families. Why did Ryder did? Why didn’t he fight to ensure Sweet’s chance of survival are high from the beginning instead of looking like a coward? Which I add, is not in his character, unless he had another agenda. And that is perfectly summarised in his words: “it’s every motherfucker for himself”.
This mission hits different when your older.
In what way?
@@jjj61-j4h because we understand more about the game lore, unlike when you play it as a kid just for fun
@@newttrz You're right
I can't breathe😫
UR right
Cesar really helped out CJ if he haven't called him CJ and sweet would have got ambushed by the ballas. I still can't believe Ryder and Big Smoke betrayed Groove Street. But there is a saying: *The saddest thing about betrayal is that it never comes from your enemies*
Your enemies had already betrayed you in other words
It goes to show you what Michael Corleone ((Al Pacino)) said in The Godfather Part 2: "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"
Ryder wasn't going to betray CJ in original story, but things went wrong with the voice actor of Ryder and Rockstar games. That's why Ryder didn't got any "new line" on mission "pier 69" where developers make him die.
Ps: if you actually focus on storyline in original series, you won't find *cutscenes of Ryder betraying/speaking ill of grove* as we kill him in mission, there's no cutscene and just "mission passed" .
Rip Ryder, he was a tru homie ♡
@Hamad Humaid kind of an ironic quote... Since "Keep your friends close" is the last mission on Vice City, where Lance... Well...
ryder was not supposed to be a traitor but the character who gave him the voice had to complete the album as evidenced by the fact that no one ever mentions until the show when you need to kill him
I still hate the fact that Ryder betrayed GSF despite him being completely loyal unlike Colossal Fume.
Ask Rockstar Games why
But he was nice with the grove, why he could betray them, even cj didnt metion him in this mission
@@thisislorex37 Ryder always cared more about himself. Did u see the introduction?
Ryder was changed because his voice actor, MC Eiht quit.
@@thisislorex37 Yeah because he wasnt meant to betray the grove
Fun fact, CJ never says ryders name when witnessing him and smoke with tenpenny, as he wasn’t intended to be a traitor in the beginning
istg...
Ryder originally wasn’t a Traitor until some internal issues happened. I guess re-recording the lines to mention Ryder was out of the question that late into game development.
That's because voice actor want to quit after had beef with Rockstar
well actually MC Eiht said he recorded every lines as Ryder, so Rockstar wanted to make him a traitor from the beginning but the execution isn't done so well because it was unclear in which mission he was supposed to betray and so they added his model in this one. MC Eiht asked Rockstar for confirmation and they said that's what they wanted to do with his character
@@harithdanial141that's not true. Just a popular community myth.
Also the Ryder's voice actor is a rapper and one of his tracks was added to GTA V radio.
This mission has no mission passed sound... Cause your best friends betrayed you,you almost lost your brother and yea it Doesn't sound like a victory
Yeah I always loved that Rockstar did that to show you that everything goes bad.
4:45 “You hit me fool!” I love that
💯😂😂😂😂
@@therealchucktaylor3392 Hilarious
4:08 What did i do?
Or He Hit Him ?
*I hate this mission only because you lose ALL of your weapons. This is the 1st of 2 times CJ loses every weapon he has gained thus far*
I assume the 2nd one is in "The Da Nang Thang" mission?
@@kowaisenpai82 yes sir
@@kowaisenpai82 why?
@@arneshpal7702 that's the mission when you fly by the vietnamese ship with the triads and the helicopter gets taken down, you lose everyhing but a knife
Keep winning all money from betting shop and buy loads lol
Let's be honest : most of us wished Ryder was never a traitor
He's the only one who has missions that help GSF ( except sweet last missions )
I noticed that the two Ballas who first exited the spot, could they be the ones who rode the green sabre and shot CJ's mom?
@@christophergepullano9029 yeah probably
It would’ve been better if he died during this mission, while defending Sweet at the shootout. It’s better than having him betray Grove Street from out of nowhere.
yeah I agree on that
That's prob bcs they had feud with his voice actor so they wanted to make his character look bad.
Anyone else bothered by the fact that CJ enters Cesar's car from the passenger side, ends up in the driver seat during the cut scene, then yells at Cesar to go GO. Cesar then gets out. Cutscene ends and then CJ exits the car from the passenger lmao like what is this continuity.
Or the fact that Cesar just randomly manifested into the passenger seat
yes
Thing that’s always bothered me a bit in terms of realism is that the player is almost always the driver. For playability, of course, but it still bothers me.
It also bothers me how obvious it would be to see cesar and cj in the car in the eyes of smoke, the ballas, ryder or the cops. Like in real life they would be able to see the car right across the street with two people staring dead at them lmao
yeah I was like WTF man
Positive lessons from GTA SA and i called this game as one of the best.
1. CJ came home as a loser and a buster. Despite the facts that CJ left Los Santos because his little bro, Brian died because of CJ. CJ came home 5 years later, improving, improving and improving to be the better person. Until the end of the line, killed his own childhood friend and became success by having a casino, showroom, Madd Dogg's manager, etc
2. Become a mission man. CJ is the father of a mission. Every mission he walked through are not easy. He must killed some people, stole some military weapon, burglary, capture an enemy territory, helped some unknown folks, helped the antagonist of the game, killed his own friends, undercover as one of a syndicate, robbing a casino, stealing a jet from the military ship, etc. Every mission, is for his family, Sweet, Kendl, Cesar and the GSF.
3. Keep your eyes on your close friends, he may betray you
As we know, Smoke and Ryder betrayed GSF in the middle of the storyline. There's some sign that Smoke will betray the families. But Ryder? I don't think so.
4. You never know, if you never try
In the whole storyline, CJ doing some new things that never came to his life. For example, doing business, fly a plane or helicopter, messing with some mafias, become the manager of the greatest rapper in that era
That's all from the lesson. By the way, is this too long?
Too long 😪
@@Bardock7500x hehe, sorry😄
Thank you Ryder!
@@sweetpotatopie9832 i know, i know. Only them motherf*ckers do, is all about money. Even the remastered broke as hell
@@MeeMeeCandy777 you're welcome🙏
this may be dramatic but i would always deliberately delay playing this mission. i would roam around LS, recruit some homies and bond with them, and just stay too long at ganton. the mission still hits so hard even though i've played it numerous times already.
As for me, I take all gang territories and kill drug dealers as many as I could (2000$ per kill) before taking on this mission. I also prefer taking territories alone rather than inviting gang members to join, they would just be a dead weight for me.
Thank you for you service Mr.GTA series! I simply love watching these remaster missions on my lunch break & admire the nostalgic story of GTA SanAndreas
after all these years I still think Ryder should’ve died a hero in this mission instead of play the role of betrayal
3:05 Biggest betrayal in GTA
А катсцену изменили!!!!!!
5:19 Sweet: *hit by gunfire*
6:03 Also Sweet: U wanna say somethin'?
when you get the “mission passed” but no music plays… it was time to get serious
Yeah really. It's clearly not the same atmosphere.
The music didn't play because you didn't accomplish anything in this mission.
And no Respect +
even the game wanted us to be sad at that moment
For some reason it looks like gta v mission passed. Nothing more, but just mission passed.
8:04 Pulaski's mouth actually moved in this version.
even his face as well
Ryder wasn't suppose to betray GSF it had to be done because his voice actor left and Rockstar coudn't do anything except kill him off
One Of The Biggest Betrayals In GTA History
AT ALL. TENPENNY! PULASKI! YOU ARE DEAAAADDDDD!!!!!!
This is Vice City ... this is business
in GAMING history
Don't forget Rascalov's betrayal in GTA 4
@@102tt That was pretty obvious, i even understood that Lance was about to betray Tommy just by his phone calls.
3:04 One of the most cold-blooded betrayals in video game history.
The lack of music at the "Mission Passed" really emphasizes Carl's darkest hour in the game. He's been exiled from his home, Grove Street's been absorbed into Smokes new drug business, Sweet is locked up, he has no idea if Kendl is safe. It doesn't feel like a success at all.
“Fight against crime.” Clever way of saying eliminating the prosecution’s case against Tenpenny.
In the beta version of this game Ryder wasn't supposed to be a traitor. Besides, I wish this film The Introduction NEVER EXISTED!!!
I HATED TENPENNY AND PULASKI FOR THIS. Can’t believe Smoke had betrayed CJ, Sweet and the GSF.
Well, you coulda said that for Ryder, not Smoke, you coulda seen the signs if you looked carefully
@@moiqtheplayer Well that’s what I’m saying but thanks
Ryder was never meant to betray GSF.
@@moiqtheplayerStill Smoke and CJ are my favorite duo
Ryder is actually our real homie. He betrayed us because of his voice actor. Also in game, you can't hear anybody talks about Ryder. Ryder's mission are for making GSF stronger again. But Smoke's are for nothing.
Smokes missions were always some errand for tenpenny
@@iliketurtles3415 Yes they are. He also tries to hide all of them from CJ
Cesar is a real one 👌
Like deadass
What Rockstar should've done is kill Ryder off in this mission. Fighting alongside CJ and Sweet.
Definitely
*6:08** is a certified bruh momento •-•*
the van be like : *they see me rolling , they hating*
Cesar and Toreno are the ones who kept CJ alive by getting him known about the betrayal and providing security to sweet and to release him after doing couple of jobs for him.
6:08 that van is going around the world
Even in defintive edition....
It still hurts that both Big Smoke & Ryder betrayed grove street.
of course its the same game stupied
ryder was not suppose to betray GSF his voice actor left and rockstar didn't have any choice except killing him
@@standuser69 Yeah I heard that. Even if the voice actor left the making of the game midway, Rockstar could still of made Ryder stayed with Grove Street and have him killed by the ballas to give more reasons to hate Smoke & Tenpenny. When I first did this mission I was wondering why CJ didn't mention Ryder as well.
@@OristoRealityZone I mean they could but it would be bad because of lack of dialogue will make the game will not feel that good in my opinion rockstar did the right thing
@@standuser69 some might not agree but imo they could hire new voice actor that could at least impersonate Ryder's voice
I still remember I got heartbroken from this mission a long time ago
Another slight difference from Rockstar, is in the OG game , when you pullup to help sweet, your homies are still alive and defending Sweet , but run off when the police come. In the remastered, they’re all dead upon arrival and it’s just you left defending sweet until the end, sad ending
>CJ is afraid a green sabre is gonna kill his brother
>proceeds to steal a green sabre at 4:10
It's a Stallion, dimwit.
Thats a green stallion
Bro that's a stallion
At 8:03 where Pulaski says "We want you to do a little favor for us, Carl." he finally moves his mouth while saying that. In the older Versions (Ps2, Xbox, PC) he doesnt moves his mouth while saying this sentence.
They fixed the mouth movement when Pulaski says: We want you to do a little favor for us Carl. In the original when says that line his mouth didn't move
while at the same time the camera tried to prevent us seeing CJ say half his lines in the green saber cut scene and in some parts, hold on a still frame
I know Ryder was meant to be loyal originally so I like to imagine he wasn't in the Green Sabre mission at all because he had to go to court for a hearing. Ryder missed what happens and wonders where the homies at and why the Ballas are moving into Grove St. CJ has a mission to save Ryder and Emmett while Caesar leaves LS with Kendl
I just realized in this mission, CJ didn't leave sweet even he was told too to makeup on what happens to brian. Made me wonder if brian actually say the same thing as sweet, and CJ actually leave him.
Cesar the true homie and the silent protector groove street will ever have.
3:04 when I first saw the "Definitive Edition"
3:04 The moment I cried back in 2011 when I played the game first at the age of 6, since then I played it out 8 times but I could never hold some tears in at this scene.
How it began and how his journey started.
Look at Pulaski's face 8:33 😂
Defective Edition at it's "finest".
9:03 "Now who could do that" ..I spat out my drink
The group in the first van was way too enthusiastic!!!
Background music tho...nostalgies
"Grove Street is gEi!"
_cricket noises_
You know, with the whole thing about Ryder not supposed to be a traitor, wonder how it would it feels if it turns out that he is already dead in the ambush when CJ arrives to rescue Sweet.
6:47 LSPD SON, DON'T YOU RUN NOW!!!🚨🚨🚨
I got money officer 💵
Take it 🤲
Make ur wife happy 👨👩👧👧
Ballas standing still and the van doing a weird barrel roll, lol thanks GSG for this sh1t
Interesting how they discard Ryder from the story! 🔥
actually ryder is supposedly not to betray the GSF in the story but his voice actor got retired out so they decided to make him traitor and get killed in one of the missions
@@MTC008 retired? More like he quited during game development
@@dalaxdercrisper957 yes that's it
9:28 camera magically appeared
5:49 WTF CJ
If you guys watched Precure All Stars F, you guys will remember Cure Heart's line she stole from Sweet.
3:02 I thought it's a bug or glitch, but, Rockstar made a change during this scene, but with third camera, maybe there are some bugs or glitches
From this mission, we finally know that Cesar is your homie all along, CJ
5:45 Even though CJ said "I'm taking you all down, bitches!", the last word didn't appear in the subtitles in the original version.
My favorite scene clip, even today it was make me thrill. great game. cesar is really friend.
0:43 they forgot to coat the man's nails
5:33 goes hard AYO BALLAS
Cesar is a great character
I feel bad to see Sweet get arrested. He didn't really deserve it
Gang members deserve it because they kill people
@@ankihansen2489 But not for Grove Street Families
@@ankihansen2489 Actually CJ never wanted to be a gang member. He did his best to escape the hood and lead a simple life. You can easily hear this in the San Fierro missions, in his dialogues about how much he loves this city, and in his argue with Sweet in the "Home Coming".
Well he's a gangbanger whatcha expect
Just highlights the great writing tbh, end up rooting for the grove.
3:26 Almost!
"Crap, Saturos..., Konan... that stupid A-Hole... C.R.A.S.H.E.D makin' you sell us out!"
I hate betrayal
8:45 almost more time!
"Now you stay the f*ck away from Konan and Nagato, and stay the F*ck away from us. When otherwise Issac is going to find himself on a duelist city on the block getting in touch with his Potential side."
When CJ got in the car with cesar, my first observation was that square steering wheel in the old game. Good to see they are more round now lol
Damn man remember this mission like it was yesterday
2:45 Ryder and Big Smoke Betrayal in HD :(
*4K you meant
This is probably my favorite mission because all the main villains of the San Andreas game are fully revealed
I didn't know that Big Smoke's betrayal was this early in the game😢😢
ikr! I am playing GTA SA rn for the first time and got shocked that the betrayal is in the first chapter of the game
What I don’t get is how Smoke and Ryder’s betrayal made Sweet lose the fight.
Seems like, if anything, made Grove street lose is CJ simply not being there.
Cesar is reason he a good friend CJ
You'd think after all these years with this new "definitive edition", they would address Ryder in this scene.
Like I know they probably couldn't get a hold of the original voice actors (or even get the same quality of voice) but they have the original raw voice lines. They could have at least cobbled up a dialogue line of CJ acknowledging Ryder being shown in this scene.
I can't believe Big Smoke and Ryder betrayed the GSF, it goes to show you what Michael Corleone ((Al Pacino)) in The Godfather part 2: "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"
Ryder wasn't supposed to be betray to Cj and GSF in original story, because the voice actor has quit in the middle of the game or story, the green sabre original scene, Smoke, Ballas, Tenpenny and Pulaski, The Rockstar has decided to kill his character,
Only Big Smoke has betray to cj and GSF.
Ryder wasn't originally planned to be traitor
Big Smoke and Ryder is back stabbing prick/sold us out.
Luckily Cesar helped CJ to provide important information.
this is why i love cesar. hes a true one
7:38 what is going on with Tenpenny's eyebrows
0:24 sweet just explained the entirety of GTA SA
If Ryder’s actor never quit cj and Ryder would be a 10/10 duo
that woudlve made the game 100 times better
Ryder voice actor didn’t quit
Shits sad fr
6:07 classic Definitive Edition bugs...
That bug was already in the original
Notice that After completing this mission ,"the mission passed" comes up but the music doesn't hit.
maybe I don't think he would have hit that iconic music when a betrayal happened and besides that it seems as if we have lost the mission
27 episodes in and we are only 3% of the way finished
8:46 Tenpenny: Now you stay the fuck away from Smoke, and stay the fuck away from us.
Look at ballas 6:42 😂😂😂
"Bruh..."
Top 10 biggest betrayal in video game history!!!
GTA 3, vice city, 4, 5 had betrayals too.
but this one is by far the most impactful betrayal in GTA series.
3:06
Girls: Boys doesn't know how it feels being betrayed.
Boys:
The only thing funny in this mission was Sweet’s answering machine at 4:35
the bsst thank you so much
for this content and this awsome vedios
my weapon disappeared after this mission 9:39
tenpenny probably take away your weapons
@@ridermanyt8029 and flowers?
@@gman_4815 even that kind of melee toys y'know?
@@Silver_Swan_MK2 yea
The thing I still don't understand about this mission is how were sweet and the homies walking into a trap? Big Smoke and Ryder weren't at the meeting so they wouldn't have been able to tell the Ballas where to ambush The Grove Street families.
This is the shocking moment when we discover that Smoke and Ryder have sold their souls to the devil.
8:02 my favourite quote
GTA 3: Last Requests
GTA SA: The Green Sabre
GTA IV: Russian Revolution
GTA V: Mr. Phillips/Fame or Shame
What does these missions mean?
At last Pulaski decided to Move his Mouth in this version 8:05 which he won't in the previous releases
Too bad the cutscene background still incorrect and Pulaski still pointing at the road hill
Just noticed that CJ never mentions that Ryder sold them out, just Big Smoke. Man, why did they make Ryder betray us?
i always thought there was something funny about smoke😂 the way he smoked that weed in his backyard was crazy😂😂😂😂😂😂
Tenpenny is one cape away from being a supervillain, he’s an irredeemable bastard
No cool groove dude and he is voiced by frozezone
As soon as Easy E pops out CJ knew what's up
What George Floyd said lmao 7:02
Our world is matrix 💀