the 5 year old selling ice cream isnt that strange, now...the 5 year old instantly recognizing an ancient ice golem who has been sealed away for centuries, by name...thats a bit more out there.
I ALSO found mirage island, found it once trying to find Sky Pillar to catch Rayquaza, I tried to find it again, and spent like an hour trying and never saw it and didn't know it was special until much later
My first Pokemon Game was RSE so it might be hard to imagine going from what Ruby was to Omega Ruby emotionally, especially since those remakes were actually fantastic. Though to be fair, my second game was Gold from GSC, and I have played every main Pokemon game to exist by now, and even Colosseum and XD Gale of Darkness which were wildly fun spinoffs even if a bit tougher blind than even the earlier Pokemon games were. I hope Pokemon continues on for awhile more so your lot can have a game that brings you back to your first games, too. With a bit better listening to quality control and quality assurance to get less bugs and crashes of course. I would rather the games work and be fun instead of one or the other.
They really missed the mark with not making you bring Regice/Regirock/Registeel to the Sealed Chamber in ORAS to unlock a new third room where Regigias was sealed away...
I shit you not, I've also been to Mirage Island legitimately when I was very young. It was definitely after I had even heard of it, and it was completely by chance. I was probably on my 3rd or 4th play of the game by then, just happened to check with the guy because I was passing through, and it was THERE. I remembering rushing to tell my buddy, who also knew about the island. It's a memory I know FOR SURE I'm not misremembering. It was really, really, really cool to experience organically.
"...Manaphy was in Pokémon Ranger, what a weird way to distribute a Pokémon..." Are you also forgetting Japanese Pokémon Colosseum for Celebi, US Colosseum and Pal Channel for Jirachi? Lotta pokémon been only obtainable through side games, funny enough
@@Br0oham Yeah, when the eshop was still around :/ if you already have it downloaded on your 3DS, you're golden... not so much now if you're late to the party I'm afraid.
@@SorcererLance Oh... Okay then, cool, I was unsure of the timeframe, because on the eShop i'd only seen any mention of Celebi on the Gold and Silver pages having a download code prior to sometime in 2018, with no mention of it at all on Crystals page. I bought all of the VC games before the eShop closed and wasn't sure if Celebi was still able to be gotten
@@Br0oham I recently got it on Crystal, you can have the event we missed out on 25 years ago on the 3DS finally activate... And luckily the Pokemon transfer apps can still be used to move it over to the later games
In defense of the azure flute, the only reason why it’s super complicated is mainly because it doesn’t actually have a hint to where you actually have to activate it like the only reason we know where to activate it is because the Internet told us, but like, could we actually have like figured out? Where the heck can you actually activate the azure flute
The only indicator of where to use it was the flute drawing at the top of Mt cornet. So unless people had good observation skills, it was definatly harder to figure out.
8:21 I unfortunately didn’t have access to the braille guide so I had to find one in the dictionary at school, copy it onto paper so I could bring it home and proceed to painstakingly translate the riddles at home.
The real reason was not that GF though the azure was too complicated, in fact all this cause of something that the Pokémon company will never admit. As you may know, the diamond and pearl Games had very severy Bugs in the code, and one of the most infamous one, letter players to tweek while riding the bike and get the character out of bounds, with that trick they then could travel to every location in the game, including newmoon island, flower paradise and the hall of fame, the three places that contained a static encounter with the mythicals. This meant that a lot of people were catching the 3 mythicals before the release of the events. That was a problem, cause when the event eventually were released officially to promote the movie, the players would go get the code in the store and then play all the story event in the game, to get tk the end and find no mythical to catch since they w o show up a second time. For this reason all the diamond and pearl events were canceled, and in platinum they changed the code a bit so that Shaymin and a Darkrai wouldn't appear in the overworld before the event start, preventing them to be battled outside of theor event, and arceus event wasn't even release cause of this.
I just looked at the instruction booklets for Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald and found out the braille page isn't in the North American booklets. So have fun with that knowledge.
@@ObrigadaJimI‘m pretty sure you‘re pulling this from your ass, Sir. Arceus was NOT available with tweaking for the longest time. Only lately it came to light how to get Arceus, in combination with a completely different glitch that has nothing to do with tweaking, but abuses event triggers on a map with the "retire" glitch. Also the amounts of players who tweaked to get Darkrai and Shaymin are ridiculously miniscule in contrast to the whole player base. I think you overestimate that very very much. Also they distributed Oaks Letter and the Member Card as items in the west, long after tweaking was already known. So they distributed the two items to event Pokémon that could be accessed by tweaking, but didn’t distribute the item to the event Pokémon who definitely wasn‘t obtainable with tweaking alone. And you say this was due to the existence of tweaking?
Eh, I think GF just changed their minds about making "complex" events. They were fine with that in Gen 3, weren't in Gen 4 and the backlash caused them to change their minds by Gen 7.
@@scrunkore it is yeah, there is a whole investigation from a portuguese site who researched this and we have the real reason, if u are interested, read my last coment, hope i helped
ORAS was my first own pokemon game (i somewhat got into pokemon around gen 4 through toys) and I completely forgot how to get Regigigas, until I heard 'Ice Cream'. My Regice is nicknamed Regiice to this day and still has the ice cream as a held item. I have fully accepted this way of getting Regigigas as normal until he pointed out all the extra steps.
I 100% believe wholeheartedly that Masuda was bullshitting and they didn't include the event either because they were butthurt about it being datamined and recorded online, to create a sense of mystique and exclusivity behind the God Event(TM), or both. You have to admit that Arceus having such a reputation made the eventual reveal of Legends Arceus absolutely mindblowing. There's no way they were thinking that far ahead, but I do think it's likely they kept the Azure Flute unreleased because of something like that.
@rescuerex7031 I don't think nintendo/Pokémon company would consider glitches like that. They only squash them, I don't think they will say to themselves "oh, we never put this particular Pokémon in, just another version. It's okay though, our players have discovered a helpful bug that let's them spawn any pokemon" I think that convo would go more like "we have to stop this bug. We can't? Never mention it again."
I said this before, but that Regigigas quest would've been impossible for me without a guide. Even if I _somehow_ deciphered all the steps like, holding an ice item or going in the day time, I _never_ named my legendaries. I would have _never_ considered that a step I would need to do without explicitly being told so.
Actually getting spirittomb in oras was even harder and convoluted Like wtf I have to go in the menu and save the game specifically in front of this bookshelf?
@@tpsam Let's face it; a _lot_ of requirements throughout the Pokémon series are unnecessarily unexplained convolutions. I'm _still_ mad about Galarian Yamask.
Love how in platinum you have to go back to spear pillar to catch dialga and palkia and somehow that’s not complicated enough to be left out but arceus is
Note: This is why i adhere to the theory that the MC from Legends Arceus is the protagonist of the Original D/P/Pt. It just seems fitting that the version of the protagonist that couldn't get the Azure Flute would eventually obtain it in a really cool way.
@@Crxsseyed1iirc, some dialogue options imply that the player character is originally from the Pokémon world, while others imply the opposite; the player character's origins are up to the player
"They had to check if it worked" - after coding the game Everyone knows Game Freak checks their games, I mean after all, you needed to use a Moon Ball to catch a Pokemon that evolves with a *burn heal* for a better catch rate! =D (ironic this was said during the Gen 2 portion of the game lol)
Imagine how complicated and brutal competitive Pokémon would be if it had ASE and ASA styled stat mutations in the breeding system. Imagine someone taking a pseudo legendary and stacking mutations in the areas it lacks in as well as the areas it’s strong in. They could create a standard Pokémon that has a BST as high as that of Eternamax Eternatus.
@@scrunkore The entire point is that it seems like something that could be explained a lot more clearly in game, not necessarily handholding but at least something that gives you a REAL clue. Spiritomb bookshelf, et all.
Mirage Island is just so strange to me. A special location that’s so overwhelmingly unlikely to appear either through organic gameplay or intentional trigger that most players will just never encounter it, balanced out by it just having nothing on it that most players will care about. Its inclusion feels like such a waste of time. I wonder how long it took to program and implement it.
@@toumabyakuya It's not specific to GF; a lot of "top" games have nothing like that in terms of gameplay uniqueness. I swear that's one of the reasons Shangri-La Frontier is as popular as it is- the idea of hidden and unique interactions based on your choices and luck. It mystifies a game, in a way. These things were treated as modern legends in youth before; now dataminers ruin the mystique, they rip away the veil the developers crafted that added that aura of myth to it. Making it a secret that can be shared is the kind of thing that deepened friendships back in the day. I wish kids these days still had that same feeling, it's gotta be so boring by comparison going to Google before you go to a friend for these things.
@@DrizzleDrizzleNeverDies *"a lot of "top" games have nothing like that in terms of gameplay uniqueness."* I mean, is that even possible nowadays? You can always consult Google and it only takes a minute or so. *"the idea of hidden and unique interactions based on your choices and luck. It mystifies a game, in a way."* However, too much of anything, even something good, can turn it bad. *"it's gotta be so boring by comparison going to Google before you go to a friend for these things."* Not really, instead, I am hyped to show to me friends.
Thing to make Patterrz feel less old: My first game was Pokemon Platinum, and my brain was in a time capsule that made me think Platinum was the most recent game until 2016 when X and Y comercials were out 💀💀💀
They could easily make a new entrance on the Sealed Chamber that only opens after you get the 3 Regis to capture Regigigas,would be way more interesting than that ice cream thing
The irony of Mirage island is Nintendo sent out an apology shiny zigzagoon gift holding a Leichi berry. So Mirage Island is actually kinda pointless. Though the event was like 20 years ago.
I do think people misinterpret what happened to the Azure flute. I don't think they got rid of it because the puzzle attatched would be too complicated - it wouldn't have been. Instead i think they meant the lore. With no further information ever given it would be kind of up in the air about why this random flute called down God.
I remember doing the original bug catching contest in Silver and first tried it. That Scyther I won with eventually became a monstrous Scizor that I used to beat everyone with in the early days of Pokemon (including winning a bet with a gen 1-er to win their NYC Mew as a trophy).
Iirc the regigigas ordeal in oras was just: get regice, wait 24 hours, give it an "icy" item, give it a nickname, and go to regice's cave to catch regigigas
This is probably the first reaction video where I'm not already subbed to the original creator that has made me eager to check out another video of theirs. Wtf is that berry going to do? Did Lysandre use it in his plot to... um... open a crystal flower? That's it right?
my way to win the bug catching contest as a kid was to get the best pokemon a.k.a one of the four mentioned, get the highest level one, and deal no damage. had no clue about the existence of DVs at the time
The intro of the video was so well done and your reaction to it was telling me that you didn't get it, but that's OK. If you ever decide to do this kind of stuff, dear Patt, I would love to see such casual ways of creating a semi mystery atmosphere from you. Keep on creating content. I look forward to every day because I know I will hear you on your channels every day of the week. Half way through all of your videos.
The worst thing about the Regi’s in Platinum is that even if you transfer the Regi’s and catch Regigigas in Snowpoint temple you can’t catch the other Regis because you specifically have to have an event Regigas.
With the Azure Flute, it would have been distributed via Mystery Gift. I guess they didn't think people would remember the floor tiles of Spear Pillar that are shaped like a flute, but at the same time, this was during the age of the internet, where people could just look up where they needed to go, just like people looked up exactly what they needed to do to get the Regis.
I played the bug catching contest a lot as a kid in gen 2 and then remember being confused as to why “strong” Pokemon made me 2nd or 3rd place. Also you couldn’t just change the date on Game Boys unlike DS’s/Switches so you’d have to wait real days to try again.
I swear found Mirage Island too! I didn't understand why it was only Wynaut, and thought it was some not-so-rare random thing because of that. I also hoarded berries (all items, really) so I just put it in my bag and never really thought about it. I wonder if I can find my old Emerald cartridge...
I was told by a school friend the bug catching contest would give a master ball for first prize, which means I played it for weeks and weeks only to find out that was of course a lie. I have never forgiven you Ken.
I only got the Regis braille part bc in school we were reading a book about Hellen Keller that had the braille alphabet in the beginning. I got the game cartridge from gamestop and didn't have the info booklet
I have an answer to the whole regi azure flute thing. When gen 3 released they wanted to try to make something fun and new so they made the regi doors. When they realized it was too complex they tried to keep things simple, so when the arceus event required you to go to a place you would never go to ever they decided not to. But as the internet advanced, everthing could be just looked up so there was no point in keeping the games as simple as they were before so they tried to make the game more complex.
What do you mean a place you could never go to? The place for the flute is where you go for the box art legendaries. The item just makes the staircase.
My theory on why you need to wait 24 hours, and why you can't catch Regigigas at night: Slow Start. Regigigas needs to go to bed early so he can wake up early and be ready by the time he should be.
3:07 My guy, this is the event that you need to get a flute from a postman, beat Cynthia, and need to remember that there is a Flute on a tile on spear pillar, climb up the entirety of Mt. Coronet, go to the very center of the Flute Tile, and THEN PLAY THE FLUTE KEY ITEM, and only then do you get to fight Arceus. It's so convoluted for such an admittedly underwhelming pokemon that it's a wonder anyone even found out how to access the Hall of Origin after hacking the flute in. Edit: Yeah, admittedly, as convoluted as it was for the time (even the braille while dumb literally gave you instructions), there are evolution methods nowadays that are even MORE of an over-complicated mess. I still want to know how anyone managed to evolve Inkay. Edit: WAIT, THE TRIGGER FOR THE REGI TRIO IS HAVING REGIGIGAS?!?! THAT'S SO STUPID!!
I believe the reason the Azure flute was considered "difficult to understand" was because there may not have been any way to directly convey with the item that you had to go back to Spear Pillar and it would activate automatically. Where the other items were tied to pretty obvious things that would lead the player to going to their assigned locations, the Azure flute I think just was a weird flute, and there was no indication of how it was used or where. unlike the Brail puzzles in Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald, which already had an inherent mystery to the puzzles that compelled players to figure it out. and that it's Brail meant there was pretty easy real world things the player could do to figure it out. And once you knew how to transcribe the brail, it was a fairly easy puzzle to solve. just slightly tedious for actually obtaining the required pokemon to do it. The Flute though, I don't think had any clues or hints or similar to actually go "Hey, take this to Spear Pillar."
My understanding of why they made confusing things like the Regis and mirage island was that they were not intended to be "figured out" and rather was the developers being asked to make events random, rare, but likely to be seen by dedicated players and by doing so creating playground rumors similar to "Mew is under the truck" that are real, but still feel like rumors. Imagine as a kid finding mirage island, telling your friend about it, and then trying to show it to him the next day and it is just gone. I really think these Easter egg type content in early pokemon games, intentional or not, really made the games blow up socially. Everyone had tall tales about what happened in their game and because there was crazy stuff in the games, it felt like it could all be real. And this worked doubly well cause the internet hadn't matured yet so things couldn't be fact checked as easily and instead was just another place for pokemon rumors to fester. All that to say, I don't think the bug catching contest was designed for you to win, but rather it was designed in the hopes that you would hear about someone winning and that would blow your 6 year old mind.
Re: Pat's comment on why didnt they assign each pokemon species a point value, etc. My guess is that the really tight space constraints on the gameboy cartridge made it so they avoided creating extra objects (such as the map from species type to point value) wherever possible and instead opted for these bizarre formulas that did not cost any memory. But I'm a software engineer in 2024 not in 1990s, so I could be off base
Dude, my Internet was out for a week and I didn't have my old manual. I sat there and had 3 pages of notes at 3AM figuring out what those damn Regi dots could mean. And I got it ALMOST correct, but the "?!" Wall messed me up in it's placement. Day after my wifi is fixed and when I learned I almost had the answer right (think it was correct up to around K or whatever)... My disappointment was immesurable, and my day was ruined. (How I figured it out was thinking"Hey, maybe if it's like the Unknown, as it's same in number, I should be able to make an alphabet out of this! And it worked to an extent when I started making some words but the rest was garbled nonsense.)
Agree completely about the catching mechanic being boring and archaic. However can you even imagine how much people would complain if they just made every Pokémon a guaranteed catch? People already moan that the games are "too easy" because of EXP share and infinite TMs, even though these people are just confusing "difficulty" with "time synch".
id argue the oaks letter is even more confusing. like. there is a giant ass flute on spear pillar (a big key location in the story) which always confused me as a kid. like i got every single flute in the game to try there and nothing happened. hell the azure flute would be the most straight forward item to me ever. now a random rock on a random side route where u need to go to after getting oaks letter is defenitely not more confusing to get to and figure out
As a 6 year old I would've never figured out how to get the regis if I didn't have a blind friend in my group to know the existence of braille letters.
I 100% believe patterrz made it to Mirage Island. My sister played either gold or heart gold as her first game. She caught a ho oh. It was shiny! She didnt even know what a shiny is, this is a game where the ho oh is generated at the start so if you want to hunt ho oh you have to restart the entire game each time. Crazy odds happen ig
I remember doing the Regigigas thing when I was 11 or 12, and I remember nicknaming my Regice, Regice. I was nervous it wouldn't work but I was glad it did. I turn 20 this year 😅
Every pokemon game is someone's first game. For my boss (in his 40s), it was scarlet. I asked him how bad his glitches were (he got it first day) and he said he didn't experience any glitches. Lucky b- 😂
For the park thing where you catch pokemon and get point based on 'dv's why not just take the stats of the pokemon in points, the higher the dv, the higher the stats will go so that gives more points to higher dv anyway and then the species of pokemon.
I had that Ruby Saphire guidebook!! I finally threw it out earlier this year as it was pretty worn down and not really in good condition for preservation. I did not complete the Regi puzzle even with this info. Baby me was NOT motivated I guess.
My 1st ever full odds shiny was a Caterpie during the Gen 4 SoulSilver Bug Catching Contest. Of freaking course I ended the contest immediately with my shiny prize!
"How many people bought Pokémon ranger just to get a Manaphy?" Boy I bought Crackdown for the Xbox 360 just for the Halo 3 beta. Turned out Crackdown was actually a pretty good game too.
To be fair, they said they thought Arceus would be too complicated AFTER the Regis. They hasn’t done as anything near as complicated till Gen 8 or 9 where they just went stupid….
I forget which pokemon game it was. I decided to just dick around and use walk through walls. Ended up finding one of the Legendaries you "needed" an irl event item for. So yeah they are already in the game
"Does Regigigas need to get ready"
My man it's ability is literally Slow Start
Literally what I was going to comment 😂
Lol same
Thank you for making this joke. I absolutely scrolled down to do the same.
I see we all thought the same thing lol
I think that is exactly why 24 hours have to pass, they are translating its ability into a requirement.
“Does regigigas have to get ready”
Yes. Infamously so.
regi's body is ready
@Qoobon_ his mind is willing but his body is spongy and bruised
This comment made me cry laughing
the 5 year old selling ice cream isnt that strange, now...the 5 year old instantly recognizing an ancient ice golem who has been sealed away for centuries, by name...thats a bit more out there.
Kid's a histonerd who loves myths that's all
Nobody questioning why that small child knows the name of an ice titan thousands of years old? And she talks about it like it's an old friend
Might be for the best not to question it...
Maybe she was told bedtime stories about it
I mean, that's kinda like questioning why a kid in the real world knows about, say, the Vikings.
13:18 “Does Regigigas need to get ready?” Yes, actually. Cause he’s a slow starter lol.
I ALSO found mirage island, found it once trying to find Sky Pillar to catch Rayquaza, I tried to find it again, and spent like an hour trying and never saw it and didn't know it was special until much later
That kid who’s first game was oras was me
Same!
Same here! Still have my original Blaziken from 2014 he’s in Scarlet now ❤
Same here. Alpha sapphire is still the only pokemon game I have ever completed to this very day
I had a swampert, and took way to much time trying to beat the league
My first Pokemon Game was RSE so it might be hard to imagine going from what Ruby was to Omega Ruby emotionally, especially since those remakes were actually fantastic. Though to be fair, my second game was Gold from GSC, and I have played every main Pokemon game to exist by now, and even Colosseum and XD Gale of Darkness which were wildly fun spinoffs even if a bit tougher blind than even the earlier Pokemon games were.
I hope Pokemon continues on for awhile more so your lot can have a game that brings you back to your first games, too. With a bit better listening to quality control and quality assurance to get less bugs and crashes of course. I would rather the games work and be fun instead of one or the other.
They really missed the mark with not making you bring Regice/Regirock/Registeel to the Sealed Chamber in ORAS to unlock a new third room where Regigias was sealed away...
I love how Patterrz was flabbergasted at the Entei in the bug catching contest at first lol
I shit you not, I've also been to Mirage Island legitimately when I was very young. It was definitely after I had even heard of it, and it was completely by chance. I was probably on my 3rd or 4th play of the game by then, just happened to check with the guy because I was passing through, and it was THERE. I remembering rushing to tell my buddy, who also knew about the island. It's a memory I know FOR SURE I'm not misremembering. It was really, really, really cool to experience organically.
"...Manaphy was in Pokémon Ranger, what a weird way to distribute a Pokémon..."
Are you also forgetting Japanese Pokémon Colosseum for Celebi, US Colosseum and Pal Channel for Jirachi?
Lotta pokémon been only obtainable through side games, funny enough
at least Celebi was finally obtainable to the west... on the 3DS if you downloaded Pokemon Crystal
@@SorcererLance wasn't that only if you bought it within a certain timeframe?
@@Br0oham Yeah, when the eshop was still around :/ if you already have it downloaded on your 3DS, you're golden... not so much now if you're late to the party I'm afraid.
@@SorcererLance Oh... Okay then, cool, I was unsure of the timeframe, because on the eShop i'd only seen any mention of Celebi on the Gold and Silver pages having a download code prior to sometime in 2018, with no mention of it at all on Crystals page. I bought all of the VC games before the eShop closed and wasn't sure if Celebi was still able to be gotten
@@Br0oham I recently got it on Crystal, you can have the event we missed out on 25 years ago on the 3DS finally activate... And luckily the Pokemon transfer apps can still be used to move it over to the later games
In defense of the azure flute, the only reason why it’s super complicated is mainly because it doesn’t actually have a hint to where you actually have to activate it like the only reason we know where to activate it is because the Internet told us, but like, could we actually have like figured out? Where the heck can you actually activate the azure flute
The only indicator of where to use it was the flute drawing at the top of Mt cornet. So unless people had good observation skills, it was definatly harder to figure out.
And also, people forget that even GF devs can change their minds. Maybe during Gen 3 they were fine with complex puzzles but weren't for Gen 4?.
Put some direction in the item description.
@@thevioletbee5879yeah they could’ve just added someone like “believed to have a connection with Spear Pillar”
8:21 I unfortunately didn’t have access to the braille guide so I had to find one in the dictionary at school, copy it onto paper so I could bring it home and proceed to painstakingly translate the riddles at home.
Saaaame
The only confusing thing I can think of for the flute is that the game might not tell you where to bring it.
But like... they can add that in
The real reason was not that GF though the azure was too complicated, in fact all this cause of something that the Pokémon company will never admit.
As you may know, the diamond and pearl Games had very severy Bugs in the code, and one of the most infamous one, letter players to tweek while riding the bike and get the character out of bounds, with that trick they then could travel to every location in the game, including newmoon island, flower paradise and the hall of fame, the three places that contained a static encounter with the mythicals. This meant that a lot of people were catching the 3 mythicals before the release of the events. That was a problem, cause when the event eventually were released officially to promote the movie, the players would go get the code in the store and then play all the story event in the game, to get tk the end and find no mythical to catch since they w o show up a second time.
For this reason all the diamond and pearl events were canceled, and in platinum they changed the code a bit so that Shaymin and a Darkrai wouldn't appear in the overworld before the event start, preventing them to be battled outside of theor event, and arceus event wasn't even release cause of this.
Isn’t there literally an image of it in spear pillar right as you exit the cave though?
@@pokedude720 Yup, a pedestal similar to those OoT uses to hint players where and which Song to use.
I just looked at the instruction booklets for Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald and found out the braille page isn't in the North American booklets. So have fun with that knowledge.
How the heck that GameFreak thought the Azure Flute would be more difficult to understand then with brail with the Regies.
That sounds even dumber then the previous reason to not release them.
@@ObrigadaJimI‘m pretty sure you‘re pulling this from your ass, Sir.
Arceus was NOT available with tweaking for the longest time. Only lately it came to light how to get Arceus, in combination with a completely different glitch that has nothing to do with tweaking, but abuses event triggers on a map with the "retire" glitch.
Also the amounts of players who tweaked to get Darkrai and Shaymin are ridiculously miniscule in contrast to the whole player base. I think you overestimate that very very much. Also they distributed Oaks Letter and the Member Card as items in the west, long after tweaking was already known.
So they distributed the two items to event Pokémon that could be accessed by tweaking, but didn’t distribute the item to the event Pokémon who definitely wasn‘t obtainable with tweaking alone. And you say this was due to the existence of tweaking?
probably just an excuse to hide whatever real reason there was
Eh, I think GF just changed their minds about making "complex" events. They were fine with that in Gen 3, weren't in Gen 4 and the backlash caused them to change their minds by Gen 7.
@@scrunkore it is yeah, there is a whole investigation from a portuguese site who researched this and we have the real reason, if u are interested, read my last coment, hope i helped
ORAS was my first own pokemon game (i somewhat got into pokemon around gen 4 through toys) and I completely forgot how to get Regigigas, until I heard 'Ice Cream'. My Regice is nicknamed Regiice to this day and still has the ice cream as a held item. I have fully accepted this way of getting Regigigas as normal until he pointed out all the extra steps.
I 100% believe wholeheartedly that Masuda was bullshitting and they didn't include the event either because they were butthurt about it being datamined and recorded online, to create a sense of mystique and exclusivity behind the God Event(TM), or both. You have to admit that Arceus having such a reputation made the eventual reveal of Legends Arceus absolutely mindblowing. There's no way they were thinking that far ahead, but I do think it's likely they kept the Azure Flute unreleased because of something like that.
Also Due to the Tweaking Glitch you could just go to the Arceus Event so it was probably also was about that
@rescuerex7031 I don't think nintendo/Pokémon company would consider glitches like that. They only squash them, I don't think they will say to themselves "oh, we never put this particular Pokémon in, just another version. It's okay though, our players have discovered a helpful bug that let's them spawn any pokemon"
I think that convo would go more like "we have to stop this bug. We can't? Never mention it again."
I said this before, but that Regigigas quest would've been impossible for me without a guide. Even if I _somehow_ deciphered all the steps like, holding an ice item or going in the day time, I _never_ named my legendaries. I would have _never_ considered that a step I would need to do without explicitly being told so.
Actually getting spirittomb in oras was even harder and convoluted
Like wtf I have to go in the menu and save the game specifically in front of this bookshelf?
@@tpsam
Let's face it; a _lot_ of requirements throughout the Pokémon series are unnecessarily unexplained convolutions. I'm _still_ mad about Galarian Yamask.
Love how in platinum you have to go back to spear pillar to catch dialga and palkia and somehow that’s not complicated enough to be left out but arceus is
Continue this series please! It's really fun and interesting!
Note: This is why i adhere to the theory that the MC from Legends Arceus is the protagonist of the Original D/P/Pt. It just seems fitting that the version of the protagonist that couldn't get the Azure Flute would eventually obtain it in a really cool way.
Wait, I thought it was confirmed it was them? Like, I always thought that it was obvious that it was the dp protagonists 6 years after dp?
@@Crxsseyed1iirc, some dialogue options imply that the player character is originally from the Pokémon world, while others imply the opposite; the player character's origins are up to the player
"They had to check if it worked" - after coding the game
Everyone knows Game Freak checks their games, I mean after all, you needed to use a Moon Ball to catch a Pokemon that evolves with a *burn heal* for a better catch rate! =D (ironic this was said during the Gen 2 portion of the game lol)
Maybe you can go into the pokeblock series and how strange those and their extentions are
Yes the one made by the same person tgat made this one
Imagine how complicated and brutal competitive Pokémon would be if it had ASE and ASA styled stat mutations in the breeding system. Imagine someone taking a pseudo legendary and stacking mutations in the areas it lacks in as well as the areas it’s strong in. They could create a standard Pokémon that has a BST as high as that of Eternamax Eternatus.
Azure flute is complicated but how did one figure out how to evolve BASCULEGION PALAFIN RUNERIGUS
in fairness the recent stuff is probably just because you can use the internet
@@scrunkore The entire point is that it seems like something that could be explained a lot more clearly in game, not necessarily handholding but at least something that gives you a REAL clue. Spiritomb bookshelf, et all.
Mirage Island is just so strange to me. A special location that’s so overwhelmingly unlikely to appear either through organic gameplay or intentional trigger that most players will just never encounter it, balanced out by it just having nothing on it that most players will care about. Its inclusion feels like such a waste of time. I wonder how long it took to program and implement it.
Small stuff like this made games back in the day way more special unlike now where ppl datamine everything in 1 day or you have all the info online.
@@HandheldGamer1991 How is that GFs fault?.
@@toumabyakuya It's not specific to GF; a lot of "top" games have nothing like that in terms of gameplay uniqueness. I swear that's one of the reasons Shangri-La Frontier is as popular as it is- the idea of hidden and unique interactions based on your choices and luck. It mystifies a game, in a way. These things were treated as modern legends in youth before; now dataminers ruin the mystique, they rip away the veil the developers crafted that added that aura of myth to it. Making it a secret that can be shared is the kind of thing that deepened friendships back in the day. I wish kids these days still had that same feeling, it's gotta be so boring by comparison going to Google before you go to a friend for these things.
@@DrizzleDrizzleNeverDies *"a lot of "top" games have nothing like that in terms of gameplay uniqueness."*
I mean, is that even possible nowadays? You can always consult Google and it only takes a minute or so.
*"the idea of hidden and unique interactions based on your choices and luck. It mystifies a game, in a way."*
However, too much of anything, even something good, can turn it bad.
*"it's gotta be so boring by comparison going to Google before you go to a friend for these things."*
Not really, instead, I am hyped to show to me friends.
Thing to make Patterrz feel less old: My first game was Pokemon Platinum, and my brain was in a time capsule that made me think Platinum was the most recent game until 2016 when X and Y comercials were out 💀💀💀
They could easily make a new entrance on the Sealed Chamber that only opens after you get the 3 Regis to capture Regigigas,would be way more interesting than that ice cream thing
Please do react to the absurd depths of the Pokeblock 😂
26:04 That my friend is why I like Yo-kai Watch’s capture mechanics way more.
Realizing that I would have been 12 when OR/AS came out is wild.
Time flies.
My first ever Pokemon game was Soul Silver.
The irony of Mirage island is Nintendo sent out an apology shiny zigzagoon gift holding a Leichi berry. So Mirage Island is actually kinda pointless.
Though the event was like 20 years ago.
I do think people misinterpret what happened to the Azure flute. I don't think they got rid of it because the puzzle attatched would be too complicated - it wouldn't have been. Instead i think they meant the lore. With no further information ever given it would be kind of up in the air about why this random flute called down God.
I remember doing the original bug catching contest in Silver and first tried it. That Scyther I won with eventually became a monstrous Scizor that I used to beat everyone with in the early days of Pokemon (including winning a bet with a gen 1-er to win their NYC Mew as a trophy).
Iirc the regigigas ordeal in oras was just: get regice, wait 24 hours, give it an "icy" item, give it a nickname, and go to regice's cave to catch regigigas
Don’t forget you can only encounter Regigigas during the day
This is probably the first reaction video where I'm not already subbed to the original creator that has made me eager to check out another video of theirs.
Wtf is that berry going to do? Did Lysandre use it in his plot to... um... open a crystal flower? That's it right?
my way to win the bug catching contest as a kid was to get the best pokemon a.k.a one of the four mentioned, get the highest level one, and deal no damage. had no clue about the existence of DVs at the time
I recently replayed through OR and the whole regigigas thing drove me up the wall. I don't know how I didn't lose my mind when I did it a decade ago.
IIRC, we got an event for a regigigas which unlocked the regis in Platinum which then allowed you to get the Snowpoint temple regigigas. Yeah...
young me experienced the island twice in the same file, i now know how insane that is lmao
First Pokémon game was ORAS, I'm 18 this year XD
that 24 hours its his slow start abilitie kicking in xD
Patterz misunderstanding the complexity (or general lack thereof) of programming most of these things will never not be funny.
The intro of the video was so well done and your reaction to it was telling me that you didn't get it, but that's OK.
If you ever decide to do this kind of stuff, dear Patt, I would love to see such casual ways of creating a semi mystery atmosphere from you.
Keep on creating content.
I look forward to every day because I know I will hear you on your channels every day of the week.
Half way through all of your videos.
apparently the for the arceus event they intended that you would have to do real world side quests to get access to it and that was what masuda meant.
The worst thing about the Regi’s in Platinum is that even if you transfer the Regi’s and catch Regigigas in Snowpoint temple you can’t catch the other Regis because you specifically have to have an event Regigas.
I remember we just so happened to be learning about Braille in school at the time and that was how I translated for the Regis
Remember guys. The Azura flute was "too complicated"
With the Azure Flute, it would have been distributed via Mystery Gift. I guess they didn't think people would remember the floor tiles of Spear Pillar that are shaped like a flute, but at the same time, this was during the age of the internet, where people could just look up where they needed to go, just like people looked up exactly what they needed to do to get the Regis.
I played the bug catching contest a lot as a kid in gen 2 and then remember being confused as to why “strong” Pokemon made me 2nd or 3rd place.
Also you couldn’t just change the date on Game Boys unlike DS’s/Switches so you’d have to wait real days to try again.
I swear found Mirage Island too! I didn't understand why it was only Wynaut, and thought it was some not-so-rare random thing because of that. I also hoarded berries (all items, really) so I just put it in my bag and never really thought about it. I wonder if I can find my old Emerald cartridge...
I was told by a school friend the bug catching contest would give a master ball for first prize, which means I played it for weeks and weeks only to find out that was of course a lie. I have never forgiven you Ken.
I only got the Regis braille part bc in school we were reading a book about Hellen Keller that had the braille alphabet in the beginning. I got the game cartridge from gamestop and didn't have the info booklet
Im gonna be honest, me and Patterrz on the same wavelength with the GS ball. I still think about how cool it was supposed to be, whatever that was
I have an answer to the whole regi azure flute thing. When gen 3 released they wanted to try to make something fun and new so they made the regi doors. When they realized it was too complex they tried to keep things simple, so when the arceus event required you to go to a place you would never go to ever they decided not to. But as the internet advanced, everthing could be just looked up so there was no point in keeping the games as simple as they were before so they tried to make the game more complex.
What do you mean a place you could never go to? The place for the flute is where you go for the box art legendaries. The item just makes the staircase.
@@luvzanyandeverything what kid do you know that would ever go back there? Nobody ever goes back to locations that have purely story elements to them
My theory on why you need to wait 24 hours, and why you can't catch Regigigas at night: Slow Start. Regigigas needs to go to bed early so he can wake up early and be ready by the time he should be.
oh boi i remember that part with regice has to have an ice item. i didn't rember all of this nonsense but that ice part specifically i remember
I got to mirage island legit as a kid but I knew about it beforehand and would double check it every single day and it took forever
3:07 My guy, this is the event that you need to get a flute from a postman, beat Cynthia, and need to remember that there is a Flute on a tile on spear pillar, climb up the entirety of Mt. Coronet, go to the very center of the Flute Tile, and THEN PLAY THE FLUTE KEY ITEM, and only then do you get to fight Arceus. It's so convoluted for such an admittedly underwhelming pokemon that it's a wonder anyone even found out how to access the Hall of Origin after hacking the flute in.
Edit: Yeah, admittedly, as convoluted as it was for the time (even the braille while dumb literally gave you instructions), there are evolution methods nowadays that are even MORE of an over-complicated mess. I still want to know how anyone managed to evolve Inkay.
Edit: WAIT, THE TRIGGER FOR THE REGI TRIO IS HAVING REGIGIGAS?!?! THAT'S SO STUPID!!
I believe the reason the Azure flute was considered "difficult to understand" was because there may not have been any way to directly convey with the item that you had to go back to Spear Pillar and it would activate automatically.
Where the other items were tied to pretty obvious things that would lead the player to going to their assigned locations, the Azure flute I think just was a weird flute, and there was no indication of how it was used or where.
unlike the Brail puzzles in Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald, which already had an inherent mystery to the puzzles that compelled players to figure it out. and that it's Brail meant there was pretty easy real world things the player could do to figure it out. And once you knew how to transcribe the brail, it was a fairly easy puzzle to solve. just slightly tedious for actually obtaining the required pokemon to do it.
The Flute though, I don't think had any clues or hints or similar to actually go "Hey, take this to Spear Pillar."
My understanding of why they made confusing things like the Regis and mirage island was that they were not intended to be "figured out" and rather was the developers being asked to make events random, rare, but likely to be seen by dedicated players and by doing so creating playground rumors similar to "Mew is under the truck" that are real, but still feel like rumors. Imagine as a kid finding mirage island, telling your friend about it, and then trying to show it to him the next day and it is just gone. I really think these Easter egg type content in early pokemon games, intentional or not, really made the games blow up socially. Everyone had tall tales about what happened in their game and because there was crazy stuff in the games, it felt like it could all be real. And this worked doubly well cause the internet hadn't matured yet so things couldn't be fact checked as easily and instead was just another place for pokemon rumors to fester. All that to say, I don't think the bug catching contest was designed for you to win, but rather it was designed in the hopes that you would hear about someone winning and that would blow your 6 year old mind.
There is a whole series for this, you should watch it, it’s entertaining!
Re: Pat's comment on why didnt they assign each pokemon species a point value, etc.
My guess is that the really tight space constraints on the gameboy cartridge made it so they avoided creating extra objects (such as the map from species type to point value) wherever possible and instead opted for these bizarre formulas that did not cost any memory. But I'm a software engineer in 2024 not in 1990s, so I could be off base
Dude, my Internet was out for a week and I didn't have my old manual. I sat there and had 3 pages of notes at 3AM figuring out what those damn Regi dots could mean. And I got it ALMOST correct, but the "?!" Wall messed me up in it's placement.
Day after my wifi is fixed and when I learned I almost had the answer right (think it was correct up to around K or whatever)... My disappointment was immesurable, and my day was ruined. (How I figured it out was thinking"Hey, maybe if it's like the Unknown, as it's same in number, I should be able to make an alphabet out of this! And it worked to an extent when I started making some words but the rest was garbled nonsense.)
I do remember the first time learning about eevee, it quickly became my favorite mon
Agree completely about the catching mechanic being boring and archaic.
However can you even imagine how much people would complain if they just made every Pokémon a guaranteed catch? People already moan that the games are "too easy" because of EXP share and infinite TMs, even though these people are just confusing "difficulty" with "time synch".
Just imagine the first person in the world that figured out how to find regigigas in oras without data mining or searching about it online
id argue the oaks letter is even more confusing. like. there is a giant ass flute on spear pillar (a big key location in the story) which always confused me as a kid. like i got every single flute in the game to try there and nothing happened. hell the azure flute would be the most straight forward item to me ever. now a random rock on a random side route where u need to go to after getting oaks letter is defenitely not more confusing to get to and figure out
I remember catching a shiny metapod in crystal in the contest and being flabbergasted that I lost to a random Strong Weedle or whatever
As a 6 year old I would've never figured out how to get the regis if I didn't have a blind friend in my group to know the existence of braille letters.
I 100% believe patterrz made it to Mirage Island. My sister played either gold or heart gold as her first game. She caught a ho oh. It was shiny! She didnt even know what a shiny is, this is a game where the ho oh is generated at the start so if you want to hunt ho oh you have to restart the entire game each time. Crazy odds happen ig
I remember doing the Regigigas thing when I was 11 or 12, and I remember nicknaming my Regice, Regice. I was nervous it wouldn't work but I was glad it did.
I turn 20 this year 😅
13:23 Regigigas has Slow Start, it takes him a while to get going. In this case, 24 hours
Every pokemon game is someone's first game. For my boss (in his 40s), it was scarlet. I asked him how bad his glitches were (he got it first day) and he said he didn't experience any glitches. Lucky b- 😂
Haha oras wasn't my first Pokémon game but it was definitely my favourite as a kid maybe even still now its one of my favourites
For the park thing where you catch pokemon and get point based on 'dv's why not just take the stats of the pokemon in points, the higher the dv, the higher the stats will go so that gives more points to higher dv anyway and then the species of pokemon.
I had that Ruby Saphire guidebook!! I finally threw it out earlier this year as it was pretty worn down and not really in good condition for preservation. I did not complete the Regi puzzle even with this info. Baby me was NOT motivated I guess.
i actually managed to win the bug contest with a Pinsir
Btw in coding sometimes you try to fix collision and accidentally make the biblically accurate angle out of 4 lines.
My 1st ever full odds shiny was a Caterpie during the Gen 4 SoulSilver Bug Catching Contest. Of freaking course I ended the contest immediately with my shiny prize!
"How many people bought Pokémon ranger just to get a Manaphy?"
Boy I bought Crackdown for the Xbox 360 just for the Halo 3 beta.
Turned out Crackdown was actually a pretty good game too.
32:23 Paterz: I have been to mirage island with no game mods.
Me: “Sure”?! I’m positive that you “weren’t” using a modded game?!
MAGIC MUFFLER LIVE NEXT
To be fair, they said they thought Arceus would be too complicated AFTER the Regis. They hasn’t done as anything near as complicated till Gen 8 or 9 where they just went stupid….
the gs ball is my roman empire
Are you going to follow up with the pokeblock video? It's fantastic
11:18 not me getting omega ruby from my brother as a handmedown as my first pokemon game
1:18 I think they did that to promote their games, to make business deals with whichever entity will host their events. It's just business.
11:11 It's me, my favorite childhood game was ORAS
Remember, ORAS is when Ohmori took over.
People say they think about Rome once a day. Well I think about the GS ball every single day sir.
I forget which pokemon game it was. I decided to just dick around and use walk through walls. Ended up finding one of the Legendaries you "needed" an irl event item for. So yeah they are already in the game
daniel patterrz is a king
25:10 patterz being flabberghasted... i was tearing up😂
Edit note: I legally found Mirage island on 2 separate occasions... I over played emerald
I have to check if the National Park Entei is real.
19:12, thats a weird looking bug type.
1:26 mew was meant to be like thing you talk about in playground and stuff
Game Freak developers are just hypocrites honestly. Very inconsistent and stubborn game developers.
we love you patterrz keep up the work man