Thief Retrospective: Dark Project & The Metal Age | The Birth of Modern Stealth
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- Thief: The Dark Project and The Metal Age are two of the most criminally underrated PC games. Anyone who enjoys Deus Ex and Dishonored owes it to themselves to try Thief. Thank you to ConsoleArgonaut for donating to my Patreon and requesting this retrospective review
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Something that thief 1-3 had which modern games have forgotten about is 3D directional surround sound which went a long way to immerse the player in the game world.
Y'know, if you had the hardware.
That's just not true but ok
@@tugboat6940 Sound in games is unilaterally terrible, poorly mixed and quite often drowned out by the music.
I have not finished watching the whole video yet, but I know I have to try this one out.
I played the original Deus Ex last year and I was quite shocked when I realized how good it is. That started my journey into retro gaming.
Old games that I would recommend: Deus Ex, Blade of Darkness, Rune, the System shock games, the first three Splinter Cell games, and the first 4 Tomb Raider games.
Definitely some good suggestions. I'll probably tackle Deus Ex and Tomb Raider next year, maybe Splinter Cell too.
I haven't played this game, but holy shit it seems really advanced for a game from 1998. It's genuinely more complex than a lot of "stealth" games these days. The devs of Thief were so far ahead of their time.
theres only a tiny few authenic stealth games left and one of em are a damn indie game ffs.
@@preternatural9417 Exactly. It's just zoomers coping when they go on about how things were "ahead of their time" - while graphics may be better in terms of texture size and number of vertices now, everything else has degraded.
which one is the indie game you mentioned?
The fantasy/horror parts of Thief was really scary and effective because how weak the thief is.
Heck, I was scared by the human guards because of how many there are and how weak you are as Garrett.
I think you're taking the wrong approach to the undead and monster levels. With a few exceptions, combat is never forced. For example, I was able to play through the entire Return to Cathedral level in a very stealthy way, similar to levels with guards. When needed, killing various undead like the Hammer Haunts can be done stealthily by waiting for one of them to get isolated and then doing a fully-charged sword swipe to their back. When unalerted, this will kill them in one swipe, similar to how a blackjack from behind takes out an unalerted guards. The monsters/undead also do have a pretty similar AI system to guards in terms of alert levels, vision cones, hearing things, etc. It's just that it's not as easy to judge this from the sounds they make, since they don't say things like "did I see something?"
You're correct, and I did use more stealth in the 2nd Cathedral visit, but more out of necessity because I ran out of fire arrows. It's a bit subjective but I just didn't really feel any reason to use stealth in The Lost City, Bonehoard, or Cathedral because zombies posed no threat, and there's no stat to track "number of times discovered by enemies".
@@SyntheticMan If you have a back-up save for that Undead Cathedral level, I recommend this: restart it and buy some noise arrows and as many mines as you can! Then, get as high as you can inside the rafters of the cathedral, shoot some noise arrows at the main floor so you aggro those 3 undead wraiths, as well as 2 or 3 other zombies that come walking in there. Then, Start dropping mines and enjoy! Lol. I love that level, it's like one of the best survival horror levels ever.
True thief is a underrated pc game but tenchu is a underrated ps1 and ps2 game
Shame the older 2 Thief games didn't get ported to original Xbox. Could've boosted the sales, Splinter Cell was extremely popular at the time.
Tenchu on PS1 and PS2 were great games. Too bad the franchise died with the Xbox 360 one.
def underated
Tenchu is what caused me to initially give Thief a try as a kid. It was just as impressive and immersive as this game was in a lot of ways. It was way ahead of it’s time. I had never played anything like it when it first came out. I think it would have been remembered a lot more fondly if it wasn’t for Metal Gear Solid, which was extremely (and deservingly) hyped up at the time, releasing like two months after. Tenchu is just as mechanically impressive as MGS, if not more, it’s just lacking in the presentation department. I wish more people paid attention to it.
Tenchu was my favourite ps game
The best experience in the Thief games is when you're trying to complete missions completely unnoticed. You don't kill anyone, you don't knock out anyone, you don't use arrows, you don't use tools... then, it can be VERY difficult but also enjoyable. Great review by the way! :)
Human missions
Ah Ghost difficulty that was really fun playing the first one like that the last few missions were nearly impossible to do.
This is amazing. Thief has so much character and was obviously way ahead of its time...Cant wait to try this one out.
I guess you could say that Dunwall is what The City would become in hundred years.
>none of the Thief games sold well
The first two Thief were commercial successes for its time. The only games in the series that flopped were Deadly Shadows and the reboot.
Not so much. They kept LGS coherent, and made their development money back, but they weren’t huge enough cash cows to fund their other projects. The first sold well, but Metal Age only reached the point of a commercial success after Looking Glass went under.
@@ethanevenson3855 Thief 1 was LGS's most successful product of all time. The problem was it's release coincided with a series of other huge flops from the studio. Looking Glass went under before they could receive their first paycheck from Edios regarding the sales of Thief 2 (Edios waited months and wouldn't agree to a early payout)
Your description of zombies is spot on, but I can't say I agree it's an issue :) Yeah they're barely an enemy because they're so easy to avoid, but that's sort of the point isn't it: they're more an environmental hazard for the sake of the mood rather than an actual challenge. I also absolutely adore how you can pop them like a pinata with fire/holy; but even if you don't enjoy that it's still a completely optional activity since they're not really a true enemy to begin with.
I think the implementation of the zombies is really effective at providing the fantasy each level that involves them is trying to achieve. So for example your first visit to the closed-off section of town is trying to paint this picture of a lone burglar scrounging through the rubbles of a city district long since abandoned to the undead. It doesn't matter that the zombies aren't "challenging" from a stealth perspective; they still fulfill their task perfectly in setting the correct mood for this scenario.
Yep, and players were scared to death by them (one of my friends turned off his computer at the very first encounter and gave me back the disc), so they removed them from the second game. 🥲
No one lives forever and Thief were pretty much it back in the day.
SynthMan: We are on the same wavelength. I just found your channel and this is my third video. We agree almost 100% on everything!
Elden Ring is not a masterpiece; World at War was probably the best COD game; and Thief is one of the greatest games.
Keep it up!
I loved the sword level on the 1st game because of the insane mansion design. I dreamed of having those designs in my home minus the traps but no way anyone would build that for you without thinking you're some sort of serial criminal or something.
Pay them in "raw gold" like Constantine did and maybe you'll be able. And I agree, The Sword really put the hook in me back in the day when I first played TDP.
TDP and TMA are treasures!
Hey everybody, it’s the early 2010’s and stealth games are regaining popularity because of Human Revolution and Dishonored. What old but beloved property can we take the name from and “remake”? Thief? Sounds great. But let’s avoid taking and improving on all the things that the granddaddy of stealth brought to gaming. Oh and definitely make sure to avoid putting in any effort and care into it. In fact, let’s just cobble together a really shitty version of Dishonored. Good? Great! Meeting adjourned.
yup.
Pain
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Dude, I'm so glad you finally reviewed two of my favorite pc games of all time and it's really interesting to hear a perspective of somebody who's playing them for the first time in 2020. Your criticisms are legit, but understand, if you played these games back in the day, like in the early 2000's, (2003 for me) there was nothing else out there that even came close to the same experience. Like maybe MGS2 in terms of interactivity of the environments and stealth, but the Thief games were one of a kind. The Tenchu games on ps1 were similarly mission based with limited tools and items, but their environments were so small and linear in comparison. It was extremely rare in games to have missions that were so huge, giant mansions had extra rooms with nothing special in them just because they could!
One thing that's kind of disappointing, yet understandable, is how you used a lot of quick saves and quick loads, right? I understand you've got to finish the games fast so you can make the review and everything, but trust me, by quick loading your game as soon as the guards see you, you're really missing out on the other half of the experience! Part of the fun was actually running from guards and finding a place to hide, hoping they didn't find you, and then sword fighting them to the death if they did. There are so many hilarious and intense situations you could get into by running away from and fighting guards, like one time I was running away from a guard and an archer, and the archer shot at me, but hit the guard instead and killed him, lol, and shit like that is unforgettable. Of course, this is why you shouldn't play Expert mode the first time because you're not allowed to kill any humans, so you don't get to experience that! Beating the Thief missions in one sitting without saving is always one of the greatest accomplishments you can feel in gaming. Of course you're going to make mistakes and get spotted, but how you strategize with your tools and weapons after that without resorting to reloads is really where you feel the accomplishment.
I think you'll really enjoy Thief 3: Deadly Shadows when you finally get to it. It might not be quite as good as Thief 2 in terms of massive mission sizes, because it made for consoles on the original Xbox too, so they had to break missions up with loading screens, but the graphics are much better and immersive. One thing that sucked was they took out the rope arrows and replaced them with climbing gloves that you find later to climb certain walls, so it has some metroidvania elements like that. Yes, it's funny you mentioned in this video because Thief 3 actually does have sandbox areas of the city that you can explore in between missions! Some of the best atmosphere I've ever experience in a game is wandering through the city at night doing side quests, or just randomly breaking into apartments to loot while people are sleeping. It's so good and the ending is very satisfying and ends the trilogy in a great way.
Damn I wrote a lot and you're probably not gonna read all of it lol, ah well, have a good day!!
great sale on thief 3!
Don't worry, I read it all lol. Sometimes I do get caught up in a "perfectionist" mindset with these stealth games where I save-scum a lot, probably just a bad habit from chasing achievements in Deus Ex and Dishonored. The sandbox elements in Thief 3 sound cool. I'll try to let things play out more if I get caught by guards next time.
I first played Thief in 1999, got the demo with a magazine (those were the days), and was absolutely blown away. It was so immersive and creepy, I remember my own footsteps scaring me all the time 😃. Got the full game that same year and when I finally finished, it really felt like an actual accomplishment 😄. Loved Thief 2 as well when it came out. Took a while longer to warm to Thief 3, but there are a ton of patches for it these days that iron out most of the annoying stuff, for example all the missions are one huge area now, no loadscreens between areas. The hub area still has them, but otherwise yeah, a much more polished experience than originally.
As for savescumming - I do that as well 😄. Got into the habit when I first played Thief. I like to play really sneakily and not alert anyone, so every time I'd get caught - immediate quickload, hehe. I know it's kinda cheating, but the feeling of not being detected at all beats the feeling of "dang, I didn't play through the entire level without loading once".
@@dodolurkeryeah I got Thief 1 in 1999 I think but it was so hard for a kid that didn't understand english so I could never get past the fourth level, so I replayed the first levels multiple times. Replayed these 2 few years ago and had so much fun. Thief 3 was fantastic as well as I had an Xbox. Sprinter Cells and Thief3 were my fav Xbox games along with the first two Halo's. The Cradle is an incredible experience
I hear symphony of the night music at the start of this video. You a cultured scrub
Cool thing about Thief 2 is that you can complete the whole game without knocking out or killing a single person or a creature.
so happy to stumble across your channel. i grew up with this game maybe starting in middle school and was obsessed, but it was so hard and honestly the ghost shit scared the crap out of me. i revisited it for years but never had the skill to beat it cleanly. but i still kept playing.
That haunted church level is one of my favs.
I remember this game being released to the masses of reviewers who at the time were used to FPS games like Quake 2 and wouldn't compromise for anything slightly different. This game got votes graviting somewhere around the 75 out of 100 area and only got a vote that "high" because of the "novelty" being stealth. Reviewers complained about the lack of shiny special effects and didn't like the idea of guards, the "good guys" of that time being outsmarted or defeated. Luckily I got to try the demo, and I can say it was the best game I ever played.
The title itself was contoversial, but when you think about all the negative, hateful, stupid or disgusting roles people can choose to play as nowdays, being a thief still looks like the least empowering of them all. It sobered up the person playing the game to the fighting limitations of the main character, only to be immersed into something entirely different than most of the other games out there.
apparently thief devs worked on dark messiah, which i found basically has the same stealth mechanics. it has the light bar, which is a darkness circle at the crosshair. and the little things like how peeking and distance slightly affects your visibility. which is very different to dishonored where peeking does not affect your visibility at all. actually for me, playing dark messiah as stealthy as possible got me into the thief game, since it's the same mechanics but the map/patrol paths are much simpler, and you can always play the game as an assassin or just normal hack and slash because eventually certain missions you must fight.
My favorite game.
Not surprised to see videos about the rediscovery of LGS titles, but have you seen how much traction the middle Splinter Cell titles are getting now? I guess Chaos Theory isn’t mandatory playing anymore.
I’ve actually made a comment about how new games best old games on one of your other videos, and it’s super relevant here. LGS refused to compromise on vision, and released Thief, which sold decently well and kept them above water, Shock 2, which is unbelievably good but also wasn’t impressive at all in sales, and Metal Age, which has to be in the top 2 or 3 stealth games ever made, and in the running for best level design ever, but basicallyput
the studio under.
With how big gaming is now, a developer doesn’t need to sell as many copies for niche titles, and larger publishers will buy smaller studios like Arkane and let them release games at a loss to fish for awards. We’ve had 2 Thief sequels and a System shock 2 sequel on the back of Bethesda’s shitty RPGs, and right now, New Blood is about to publish something similar.
Though I am a bit late to the party I want to add that if you creep while crouching and you stop moving before the screen goes down from head movement you can move on marble and metal without giving off sound. Obviously this makes you even slower but can help with certain sections.
I'm sold, will get them eventually. I played this back then as a kid but wasn't into it much, now I am interested.
I do love me some dishonoured but I wish I got into the older splinter cell titles like chaos theory or pandora tomorrow but good video as always my man 👏
Their pretty easy to play. You can buy all the classic Splinter Cell games on Xbox as their backwards compatible on Xbox One X and Xbox Series X.
The pc/Steam versions may require outside patches/mods to get working on modern pcs. But they go on sale for cheap.
Or if you're desperate enough, you can buy them on PS3...
Don't...
Chaos Theory is GOAT. I cannot think of one thing I would change about that game. It's about as perfect a stealth game as I think there is.
@@GreatBeardofWisdom There’s sort of an endless struggle between Chaos Theory and Metal Age for the crown of best stealth game.
The problem with zombies and other monsters in Thief 1 is not the fact that they're supernatural, it's that it's difficult to be stealthy around them due to their A.I, like not always knowing what makes them suspicious or alert, not to mention the levels where they appear often have little to no shadows where you can hide. So you either kill them, or you flee. In both cases, the stealth element is kinda ruined.
On the flipside, I liked getting lost in esoteric locarions in TG, and the atmosphere in the first game is top notch, definitely better than in the sequel.
My problem is the fact that those levels are so mazelike that I have no idea what to do and where to go.
@@morkgin2459 Understandable, and the maps certainly don't help. Granted, that can be seen as a good thing, because the game explains very well how you get those maps, and given that they are esoteric, mostly unexplored places, it makes sense that you would get lost more easily.
That adds an element of immersion and credibility to those maps, but it also makes them more difficult to navigate. Though often it's mostly finding loot that is difficult on Expert.
And ironically the biggest offender in that regard is the Thieves' Guild, which has a detailed map by comparison.
Maybe use the compass more, and try to identify landmarks to know where you've been. Just a suggestion, though it's not that easy even for me, and I completed Thief many times.
I always like watching reviews of the first Thief games. Yours has to be the first review I've seen that takes the Thieves Guild positively!
I have to disagree on the critique of the undead though, along with your positive opinion on bunny hopping. I get why you (and a lot of people) feel that way though - to each their own. When it comes to the undead, I suppose a lot of people didn't expect that from a game named Thief. I didn't either, and it scared the shit outta me in the most wonderful way when I was around 10 years old and I've loved the game ever since.
Here's how I play the game, which is gonna sound very nerdy: The Dark Project (along with The Metal Age) is one of the most immersive games I know, and I like to roleplay - to the extent of limiting my self greatly for the sake of immersion. I try to imagine how Garrett would think and feel at any moment and play accordingly. I pretend him to be kind of unnerved by the undead, sometimes almost losing his composure, yet ultimately keeping his cool. He's a professional after all and remains patient and careful, sneaking around the backs of the undead like he would the living. However, his strict non-killing policy doesn't apply to non-humans, so when given the opportunity (like when he has Holy Water) he's not shy about getting rid of them. BUT, he doesn't do this in a hot-headed Rambo-style fashion, running in with a sword screaming "LEEROOOOYYYYY", etc - it's still done in a meticulous fashion, only striking from the shadows. Except the occasion when every undead in the Cathedral is looking up at him picking up The Eye, unable to reach him. Then he blows them all up with a flash-bomb (which is very satisfying). After the first encounter the undead in the mines, it's such a cool moment when you finally hear the whistle of humans, because you are relieved to finally be with the living again - even though they are more dangerous than the zombies. At least, that's how I like to imagine Garrett feels it.
I never, ever, bunny hop unless it's a competitive multiplayer game. I wince every time I see someone do it in a story-based game. That immediately turns off any immersion to me. I get why people do it, if they want to speed-run and such, but it just turns the game into an arcade-like shooter to me. I don't even run in most games, unless something within the story or situation compels me to. In Thief, I even wait to open doors and pick up items until I'm within a reach _I_ find plausible - even though you technically can do that from like 2 meters away. If the AI does something silly or buggy that breaks the immersion, I often reload a save. Anyway, that's just my playstyle, which I understand is not for everyone (very few it seems like).
Anyway, I liked your review and agree with basically everything else.
This is the way.
Great video brother!
It is a must play if you havent played it. if youlike stealth games, this is one for all ages!
Tenchu: Time of Assassin's was my favourite one out of all the Tenchu games. Definitely start there.
Spot on with the description of the A.I and the light and noise system 👍
I think the light system works better in Thief TDP than 2 because the back colours in original seems like deep blacks, whereas in Thief 2 the art style uses more grays
8:52 the soundtracks composed for skyrim were iconic masterpieces
10:04 it's okay to knock that guard out, saint Peter was looking away for you
Tank ooooh was an awsome game series! Thanks to the franchise we now have psych ohhhh ooooh.
You have a new sub now!
Man, I remember playing this game all the time as a kid. Too bad lost new stealth games suck where everyone is blind. I couldn't imagine this game being made today. The AI in Thief is a million times better than that of Cyberclunk 2077.
This game looks horrible. You talk about being blind these dudes can't see an inch in front of them if they walk through a shadow.
There were stealth games long before Thief and MGS but they were the ones to popularise the genre
Taking the civit route with the retrospective aren't ya
I actually haven't seen that guy's stuff in a while. Is he still good?
Yes he is.
Civit makes better vids than Under The Mayo and Civvie11. Too obsessed with Doom and early 90s FPS games.
Civit reminds me of TheGamingbritshow. He likes to cover a wide range of games, even ones outside his usual comfort zone.
The games (especially The Metal Age) have lots and lots of fan missions that are really high quality. Notable T2 fan campaigns to look for:
Calendra's Legacy
T2X
Circle of Stone and Shadow
Seven Sisters
I can also recommend The Dark Mod which is a free-to-play modern thief clone.
I was about 8yo when this came out.
You cannot comprehend how amazing it was to see the lighting engine the implemented in real time back then!
Tenchu(ten-chew) is great but sekiro broke my heart when it was just soul's w parry, need an onimuaha or tenchu game badly!
Great review, for newer players I recommend playing with the gamma and brightness turned right down. The game will look allot better and forces you to rely on your ears as it was intended.
The first two tThief games are increadible and hold up well with the TFix community patch.
I know this is like a sin and everything but I’ve never played a mgs game
There's a little something for everyone in MGS. The 3rd especially appeals to a lot of people with its great story, mechanics, and crazy attention to detail.
So I say give 'em a shot.
@@SyntheticMan do u recommend the original mgs 3 or the updated version with third person camera?
@@hellwashere3821 in the subsistance version you can choose between both camera angles
In the 3DS version you can crouchwalk.
But the photocamo is OP and the framerate is arse unless you have a modded N3DS.
SWEET! i've played Thief back in the day. Have you played Mark of the Ninja on steam? stealth..
Nope, another one I'll add to the backlog.
Another good stealth game. It is available on most consoles too.
Sadly, no physical copy.
Cool video!
i've been pronouncing Tenchu like "achoo" the sneeze onomatopoeia for 25 years now
Damn, I miss playing my favorite stealth game, Tank-U
would love to see you try out the new thief from 2014. i played through it myself back then and wasn't blown away but have considered replaying it. it's definitely been lambasted by fans of the originals tho lol
That’s like a death sentence. There should be an award for beating Thief 4 without suffering brain damage.
Thief 2014 is such a boring sllog. It tries too hard to be assasins creed and like Siants Row it hasn't learned anything in its 10 year stasis and still feels outdated.
Arguably one of the worst games ever made. Every single behaviour that isn't WASD movement is bound to E, which will ruin stealth regularly, and the game also has a notorious issue where you can't save at all.
"ten-chew"
Cyberpunk is coming out
My dude is uploading
What other good things could happen
Didn't age well
@@frostag4821 true
He only got half happiness.
There's not a single "combat level" in Thief 1 and all levels can be played without killing or knocking out anyone.
Except the Maw for obvious reason.
I literally use the sword and broadhead arrows all the time.
Thief 1 and 2 are the BEST stealth games. I can see why its not for everyone LoL xD
Tenchu Stealth assassin on PS1 was an amazing game for its time……but it’s even more dated as hell than thief 1 now. I don’t think modern gamers would appreciate it for the 1990s masterpiece it was.
I completely disagree with Thief being one of the best. I like stealth games but I also think most of them are garbage. This is because most stealth games aren't fun. They’re slow boring, and often just turn into a game about waiting. A great stealth is is something like MGS 3 where the art of not being seen is in itself fun to do. There are also plenty of opportunities to have fun at the AI’s expensive such as throwing animals at them. Another game you should checkout is Aragami.
Aragami has amazing stealth mechanics.
Hey what about part 2 (deadly project and 2014 thief) ?
All thief games are good including Thief 2014 only wish the hammers and more supernatural aspects were in it
You don't actually need to kill haunts in the carhedral.
Exactly. There were many mistakes and false assumptions made in this video.
Also a wonderful thing about these games that few people mention is that there are NO re-spawning enemies. I fucking hate that about new games. I just killed everyone. How come you're all suddenly back like nothing happened? In these games, dead people stay fucking dead. Like, I OWN this place. This is MY manor now, fuckers....
to this day, imitators and other stealth games still don't have near the level of detail and attention to the sound design....the sound of the steps of guards, you could tell exactly how far away they were by the volume, the echo, the flooring they're on, if they turn around or shuffle....every detail of sound. and it mattered. steath games today copy every other part like shadows and line of sight, stop there, and totally ignore sound. new Thief4 didn't have sound like this. and other even good stealth games don't. it's so underrated and underappreciated, should be award winning for GOAT
Ten-choo
Played the ps3 one and never experienced so much boredom
Great video review, thank you. Also the way you say Tenchu, idk, I think you're sying it wrong, otherwise I've been mispronouncing that like, the entirety of my adult life
Metal gear isn't even close to how good thief was, this is also coming from a fan of both, when you play thief you basically step into a world and atmosphere that feels nothing like.
I would be playing it right now, if for some reason my old windows 98 computers CD player is not working.
Tenku...lel.
Play Tenchu 1&2
The second one has a sweet lvl editor.
Please do the Zelda clone immortals by Ubisoft
I probably won't be doing a proper review for it, but I am going to play it and talk about it in a video next month.
@@SyntheticMan Great looking forward to it
I tested thief for Playstation 3,vit it didn't catch me much. Maybe was the wrong game at the wrong time.
Try tenchu, I never played the original, but as far as I saw, they're good. They fighting is awful, so your meant to stealth kill your enemies. I playedthe last one I think for the wii. I played it through and almost all the extra challange. Controls were a bit clunky, but fun game. What I also recomen is shinobido for the ps3 (don't know the one for vita or psp), this game I loved. The co trolls are a bit clunky, but you have some sandbox in it. For example you have to kill a certain target, you can choose to kill the guard or not. If you kill more, it can happen that they got fewer with the time. Or you have to steal cargos with new weapons but you can choose to dispose it, the mission will failure, but you get rid of a potential dangerous weapon. This in so far important that you have 3 contractors, in one mission they hire you in another you're against them, that's up to you. You technically can kill on of them, even though it's not the mission. The Ai is sometimes stupor, when they rile up for example they kill each other trying to hit you. The combat here is more forgiving and you have a good chance. This is simply because you have here and there boss fights. You have tools gadgets etc. I love shinobido. I think you could like that game.
Working on a Cyberpunk video?
Yup, coming out tomorrow.
2:10 u can use hd mod
Part 2?
truf truf truf
*bear pits*
Hahaha I thieved this game when i was flat broke, from HMV when they used to sell pc products, long time ago now. And on hindsight maybe i should have gotten a job rather than play boosted games
"I'd rather play cyberpunk" 😂
Said nobody ever (that wasn't clinically insane).
tanku
If anyone's looking for a video on why thief 4 is so bad look up Jack trust she did a great video on it and goes extremely in depth
Ugh...the cyberpunk video pulled me in to this channel, I was excited to watch this one as a 1984 guy, and then almost immediately heard the word “Patreon” 😔
Patreon is sadly reality, first they do videos for passion, when they get ad revenue and channel grow a bit they announce patreon. F that. I think Critical Nobody and ChyGuy doesn't have it. I watch rather small channels, where people are happy if they get a like and don't ask anything own audience.
patreon is optional and they create a channel, create the content, for you to watch for free, they're not at least allowed to plug the idea to cover costs/time? you don't have to donate, that's what it is a "donation"
@@merryingalong4065 same as loot box and micro transaction are also optional, but we don't want them in games,now do we... You have minors or mentally disabled people with parents credit cards, and they want to be noticed by TH-camrs, they will send tone of money. I would respect him more if he have job and do videos for fun.
@@merryingalong4065 also,we gave them like,subscribe watch damn ads. Yeah he gets money from youtube thanks to us...
@@merryingalong4065 I pay for TH-cam premium. Content creators can respect their audience and simply just place their begging cup in the video description, and not shaking it in my face.
Gold adds 3 missions, not 2.
Well made video. I think you could've shaved 10 minutes off though.
totally disagree about what you said about the zombie, haunt, burricks, and adventure levels. Stealth is part of those missions just like the rest. You must not have been doing it right.
Just look at the billions of health bars he had. He was playing on Easy. 😂
I respect the old Thief games, but their not my favorite stealth games. That is either: Splinter Cell, Metal Gear Solid, or Tenchu.
Getting tired of terrible stealth mechanics in a lot of recent FPS games.
I don't know if Cyberpunk 2077 is gonna live up to the massive hype. But it's apparently making fake game reviewers cry, again.
Good vid.
It's sad that stealth has become basically just a tacked-on mechanic to bigger budget games because all of the great stealth franchises are dead except Hitman.
@Synthetic Man, Yeah, most stealth in big budget games amounts to tagging enemies and then using X-ray vision to sneak by them.
Pretty much none of the devs who made the best Metal Gear and Splinter Cell games are working at those studios now.
I think The Japanese dev who did the original Tenchu games is still around. But I don't think they own the IP. I think that's FromSoftware.
There is Aragami on PS4, Steam, and Switch. Not quite Tenchu, but it almost gets there.
Hitman is really the only true stealth franchise left. And now their gonna do an official 007 game too.
@@Gruntvc aragami 2 is coming out.
Somehow Arkane managed to put very good optional action in a stealth game twice, and Chaos Theory managed to do the same, which made them marketable to larger audiences, but I think that AAA studios are much too large and bulky to make a game that appeals to a market of *maybe* a few million, and sales of 500k to 1.5mil. You should look at Gloomwood, if you haven’t already. NB is a small enough publisher that they can get away with stuff like that.
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tenchu 1 is much better than mgs 1, it's a crime mgs took off and tenchu didn't
"Thief is the game that defined the genre"
I would argue that System Shock (Looking glass studios 1994) was even more so...
The stealth genre?
@@ethanevenson3855 If you wish...
Or the: If I crouch I'm less likely to be discovered - genre
@@johanlindh737 I mean, then The original Wolfenstein games were the OGs or whatever. System Shock is a lot of things, but it’s mostly an FPS with pretty minor RPG and Metroidvania elements. I can’t even remember using stealth as a viable option and I’ve played the game a tonne, mostly the floppy and CD releases. If anything, it’s more like non-stealth games today that have optional crouching, like FarCry 3, not really an explicit stealth game like Splinter Cell or Thief.
@@ethanevenson3855 Then I could argue that you are playing it wrong... 😊
SS is the "first" game where you can crouch, crawl and peek around corners and where it actually matters.
If you play it lika a FPS then obviously the stealth element does not matter.
Oh, and I've got the SS2 floppies lying around somewhere too. 😁
@@johanlindh737 You just said SS2 floppies. What are you talking about? The fist game is floppy or CD, 2 is CD only and came out much later. Floppies were on the way out during Shock 1’s development. The reason I brought them up is because I have less experience with portable or any modern re releases, that may have added more advanced stealth later.
Your point is exactly the same as what could be said about FarCry 3 or any Ubisoft semistealth optional system thing. Shock 2 has a better claim to being a stealth game, but even then it is one option. In Thief, sneaking is the only optimal, intended strategy for playing, whereas the fps/rpg hybrid games Ion Storm and LGS made offered stealth as an option.
You not only havent played Tenchu, but also you cant even pronounce it
Sorry I don't speak Japanese lol. I'm not sure I've even heard Tenchu spoken before, but I'll get it right for whenever I cover it.
The first game is a masterpiece. Avoid the "gold" version like the plague. Thief 2 is just meh, not worth playing. T3 is okay, it has some good moments. Again, avoid the 2014 remake. Edit: Bunny hoppers aren't gamers in my book. They're just bunnies.
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You keep harping on about the graphics being "terrible", when they are perfectly fine for the time when they were made. Indeed, they are perfectly fine now. More atmospheric than the modern re imagination in the reboot of Thief 2014, or even Dishonored. No game is meant to be judged against contemporary games, a quarter of a century later.
Maybe you're the kind of guy who would complain about the language in Shakespeare for being "dated garbage" ? Or about black and white movies for "not having enough color" ?
BS Age can be a detriment to all , as is it is with us with mortality , but a game you like doesn't bare wrinkles laughable and prevalent, why you so touchy about and obviously now stinker being called as such 😂
Can't stand this edgelord. Every game he likes is some old trash that doesn't hold up anymore. He just think hating modern games makes him cool or special somehow
Or maybe the quality of games have gone downhill in comparison to the technology at hand? Old games punch above the weight of their graphics and tech. Modern games are very vanilla and too safe. Nothing new, nothing interesting, nothing changing the script… plus so heavily monetized it’s insulting
@@dennisrice6201 that's complete BS. You edgelords just can't get past nostalgia and your expectations have increased. If you played a lot of games that come out today 10 years ago, you would've been blown away, and not just graphicly. Gaming is better than it's ever been. I've played some amazing games recently on PS5. Elden ring might be the best game I've ever played. Horizon was fucking amazing. The new Resident evils have all been awesome. Hitman 3 might be the most fun I've had playing a game. The divinity games are my favorite and probably the best RPG's I've played. I mean the Witcher is a modern game right? Persona? Yakuza? The last of us is amazing, I don't care what right wing edgelords have to say about gay stuff. Did you play the newest god of war? Ghost of Tsushima? Red dead 2? You want to talk about creativity and originality, have you played control? That game blew me away. Baldurs gate 3 is about to be one of the best RPG's ever. What about Sekiro? Any from game for that matter. Dude I could keep going but you see how you're just felt out wrong. Fine go play ocarina of time for the 100th time loser.
@@tugboat6940 Uh, I'm not even older. I grew up playing modern games. I play mostly modern games. And every time I play an older game, I feel as though it has more soul than modern games. With the technological boost recent years have given us, those games would be far superior to what we have now. Modern gaming is pretty soulless. Even the 'soulless' games of the time, A La CoD, were pretty damn good back in the day. A whole handful of games across half a generation lives up to the height of older games. Even Red Dead 2 has plenty of depth issues. Id recommend Nakey Jakey's video done on it. And yeah, The Last of Us is a good game. I don't know why you're intent on putting words into my mouth that I never said, or think I like games I never said I liked. I don't even like the Zelda games. nor am I recalling the 90s as a golden era. Im talking 2000s-2015. Not sure why you're getting butthurt when we call out the predatory practices and extreme monetization, calling us edge lord when we make good points. You're a literal loser lmao get over it
@@dennisrice6201 I'm just sick of you cry babies who think hating every game that comes out makes you cool or better than everyone. Like you have supr me taste or some bullshit. It's very simple man, your expectations are higher than they used to be. This whole "soulless" bullshit, like give me a break. Out of all thos amazing games I just named all you had to say was RDR2 had depth issues. Stop it. Gaming is amazing right now. How can you say it sucks right after elden ring and horizon just came out. Like maybe you only play shitty FPS's or something and aren't playing good games. Have you played the games I mentioned?
@@tugboat6940 Lmao You sound really butthurt. 😆
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