Marty Balin was knocked out for attempting to assist a spectator being beaten by Hell's Angels. He was the only man there willing to intervene. A legend as an artist and as a man.
True, I met Marty and his dad after a performance at B B KINGS NYC , perfect gentlemen, his dad WW 2 vet nice conversation them , they watched me as I pulled a gag on Kantner , Marty was cracking up. RIP Marty Buchwald .
Lmao. Were you there? But he did intervene nonetheless. Unless you were there the reason why he jumped in from above wasnt certain. Balin was a hot head and should have stayed out of it. With the exclusion of Jack and Jorma, JA was so overrated. Shock value. Grace dressed up like a nun. Why? Lmao.
I have to strongly disagree that black and women artists were excluded from sixties rock. The video ignored the success of the Motown record label of the mid to late 1960's. In addition to Motown's Supremes, I can think of many successful female artists off the top of my head: Aretha Franklin, Cher, Petula Clark and Lulu. Just look at the list of the week-by-week number one singles of the decade. You will notice much diversity.
It's another leftist BLM-Propaganda piece that paints black people as the unwanted minority, completely contrary to reality. It's especially laughable considering how huge and influental Hendrix was in the late 60's
Supposedly it was the Rolling Stones who hired the Hells Angels because they had used England's chapter for security before. The Grateful Dead warned them that the U.S. chapter was a different animal and not to use them.
You forgot Eddie Cochran. The "Summertime Blues" singer was killed in a 1960 taxi cab accident in London, U.K. that was driven by a 19 year old whom lost control and crashed against a concrete lampstand. Others on board included Gene Vincent (fractured collar bone added to all his other past injuries), Sharon Sheeley, Cochran's girlfriend at the time (back injuries), and tour manager Patrick Thompson (who along with the 19 year old driver escaped unharmed). All were departing from a concert they all played at the Bristol Hippodrome and Cochran was due to perform in America the following afternoon. He was the only NON-survivor. Cochran died 16 hours following the accident and was buried at Forest Lawn Cemetary in Glendale California that April 25th. Cochran was just 21 years old.
Eddie Cochran is criminally underappreciated. Elvis was said to only see one other performer as a serious threat to his throne as "King of rock and roll": Eddie Cochran. Unlike Elvis, Eddie actually wrote songs and could play the hell out of that Gretsch 6120. I love Elvis, but Eddie Cochran had it all.
The Monkees was a show about a pop group, never claimed to be an actual group. Most groups at that time had their music played by session players, who came to be known as 'The Wrecking Crew', look for the video. Buddy Holley died in 1959, never made it to the sixties.
Wrong. The Monkees were presented as the group that wrote, played and sang their songs. On the original records nobody else but those 4 guys are credited for being the players. In fact, the "More of the Monkees" album included a statement that claimed that except for the occassional horn or bass player it was just the 4" and that's a total lie. They were a total scam like Boney M or Milli Vanilli. And it doesn't matter if Holly died in 1959. He was the biggest, most tragic loss to music.
@@ShadowAngel-lt8nwNot true. We knew perfectly well that they were a made for tv pop group. We knew all about the session players and who the songwriters were. I have the original albums and it lists the songwriters for each song on them.
Tommy James, from Tommy James and the Shondells, wrote an excellent book many years ago, titled 'Me, The Mob, and The Music', about the deep and totally unscrupulous involvement of La Cosa Nostra/Mafia in the music industry in the 1960s', and mafia- associated record producer Morris Levy.
So great to see Caetano and Gil being mentioned in this video. Brazil’s counterculture is often forgotten in this period, although is as important as the US movements
You'd think that after all the time that has passed people would learn, but money and popularity once again prove to powerful to overcome the better side of our nature. ✌️
One of the ways Freed got away with “payola” was by claiming co-songwriting credit. He was also notorious for forcing musicians to appear at his Rock and Roll shows for either very little pay or no pay at all. Refusing to perform at these shows meant that their records would not get air play. He was no hero.
Chuck D of Public Enemy was angry enough to write a song called "Crayola" which deals with the payola scheme. One infamous line aims directly at Dick Clark who escaped at a loss of $8 million which was made up while host The $20,000 Pyramid mentions "Missed what I said cause he don't own his damn hits!" Clark's feelings were very hurt by this and for the rest of his life, he never trusted Chuck D again.
You have that backwards CLARK was the one who absolutely REFUSED to pay performing artist on Bandstand--the exchange national exposure. During the payola investigation Clark was given an option--relinquish his interest in many of his record labels or give up his tv show.
In Brittain there was also the "scandal" of the early 60s similar to the Shangri La's when self written song "Terry" was performed by singer Twinkle - aka the late Lynne Ripley. It too had a tragic theme about a motorcycle death after an argument and when the BBC wanted to ban it the song and Twinkle became that much more popular!
Motown is not rock, you are confusing "anyting popular in the 60s" with "rock music". Sly and the Family Stone were not considered rock in the 60s, they were R&B.
@@perfectallycromulent Sly and the Family Stone, as with other bands of the time, not to be pigeon holed, were considered to straddle a number of genres, I Want to take you Higher absolutely rocks. Considering the narrator of this video is calling the Beach Boys a rock band, it feels weirdly selective to take issue with someone in the comments citing Sly and the Family Stone.
@@nessy9022 i think that you are going more with what you'd like to think was true at the time, and not recognizing that the racist and sexist views at the time ensured that "rock music = white guys." perhaps you might want to check out the recent controversy about the racist beliefs of the man who controlled Rolling Stone for decades.
@@perfectallycromulent "I think that you are going more with what you'd like to think was true at the time" I think you're arguing with a point you'd have liked me to have made. I pointed out that during the 60s rock wasn't so limited in its scope that Sly and the Family Stone were pigeon holed as specifically a R&B group when the reality is that they were pivotal in the development of funk, soul, R&B, rock, and psychedelic music and jumped and merged genres with as much ease as The Beatles. Rock was evolving. This was a time when experimentation was a prominent feature of rock, see The Beatles many forays into what could best be described as children's songs, see The Small Faces Ogdens' Nut Gone Flake, or The Kinks' The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society. The bands spanned multiple genres and yet, each, in their own way, came under the broad umbrella of rock. Relevant to my point, a telling example regarding their crossover appeal to (overwhelmingly white) rock audiences was Sly and The Family Stone's performance at Woodstock. As to what you thought I was saying. I spoke nothing of sexism or racism, because, I mean, come on, only a fool would argue that the racist and sexist views at the time weren't prevalent. For sexism one only needs to listen to The Beatles You Can't Do That, or Run for Life, or The Rolling Stones Under My Thumb. For racism one only need listen to Brown Sugar or notice the dearth of females or POC in 60s rock. It doesn't require digging up interviews with obscure figures - it's right there in the music and It's been there in plain sight from the outset.
Alan Freed at least had the balls and integrity to admit he took money to play certain records while that phoney weasel Dick Clark played dumb and swore he never ever did. That story is almost as dumb as the "Magic Bullet" theory.
While Peter, Paul & Mary publicly maintained that "Puff, the Magic Dragon" was an innocent song, when they got their gold record, they gave their vocal coach a gold bong as a thank-you gift.
I was at a cultural festival in Belfast some years ago - one of the events was the screening of a rarely seen film of the Rolling Stones in the mid-sixties during a tour of Ireland. Arterwards thgere was a Q & A wirth Andrew Loog Oldham who had been their manager at the time. A young man asked Mr. Oldham if he had any advice for young musicians wanting to make music their career. He replied "If you're not prepared to get f****d, darling, find another business".
@Norberto Fontanez she's a Pop/RnB singer Songwriter etc. from Long Island NY who was the best selling artist of the 1990s selling 63 million albums singles etc. from her debut in Spring/summer 1990 until December 1999 releasing 6 Studio albums a Holiday album and her first greatest hits compilation #1s in that time with each album selling a minimum of 3,000,000 in the US
Generation X missed out on the amazing music of the 60s. I'm expecting fabricated memories from them, claiming to remember things from the moment they were born... Which says a lot really, I guess the 80s was embarrassing. They missed out on Jimi Hendrix. They missed out on soul music of that era, rock, jazz, pop, early stages of funk etc. Damn I would hate to be GenX on top of that, Woodstock, they missed out on that too.
Oh come on! Yes the record executives were screwing the artists at the time, and the groups but most weren't savvy enough to hire lawyers. everyone was trying to screw everyone else, and you cant blame A serial murderers family for killing 9 people and killing the scene at the time though his connection to a record producer who told him he wouldn't be signing him to a recording contract didn't sit well with him; then getting thrown out along with his followers out of Dennis Wilsons house around the same time might have been his trigger for that dark phase but WTH was Dennis Wilson, a frieken BEACH BOY thinking letting the Manson family crash at his Cali mansion for? Thats crazy. All the while record companies needed weekly chart topping hits and did they go to the artist or groups? Maybe if the artist could sing lead on a track but they were straight out making up pop and rock groups actually made by a crackerjack team of A team of California studio musicians who probably played on 85% of everything that was released, then they would put together these homade groups of good looking teens and they would tour the country, play and mostly mime these hits because they weren't at the level of playing that the studio cats were. Indeed, the A team was badass, anyway; the record companies made a fortune doing this. The studio musicians made really good money and didn't have to travel. but they blocked themselves from being famous as they mostly got paid a flat fee off selling the tracks to the artists and these made-up pop stars who toured the country, got rich and famous off shilling that famous off to a starving audience of 1960s hippies who just wanted a soundtrack for their generation. And so, it goes weve all wanted a soundtrack for every generation since. I'm an 80s boy and once I hear anything by The Cars, Vanhalen, Madonna, or Cyndi Lauper, it takes me right back to age 17 again and i can almost still smell the classroom smells of pencil shavings and chalk. Now that I've written so much i realize i shouldn't have taken a double portion of some fire edibles before i sat down to write a 2 or 3 sentence reply to this video, so... sorry folks!
Back then hells angels were often used as security bouncers for concerts and festivals in SF, it was the end of an era Beatniks which Jerry Garcia was part of..🏴☠
I always thought payola should be legal. If TIME/LIFE can buy a half hour of airtime to sell their records, why can't any other record company buy 3 minutes to play theirs?
Being a veteran collector and knowledgeable fan of virtually everyone appearing in this video, I want to make sure to tell the self-righteous Bible brigade that still feels the need to comment on the music of the last 70 years; Stick it in your ear, all of it. Doesn’t matter if it’s Lawrence Welk or Taylor Swift or beyond…you want to play the laughable role of judge and jury on musical culture. Get some kind of life, all of you. Rock ‘n Roll will never die. Too bad for you.
While Charles Manson focused some of his attention on the Beatles, he was even more enamored by Robert Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land. That novel expanded his already erotically dysphoric view of history and culture.
If that law against payola came up before The Supreme Court today, they would probably rule in favor of the record companies and say it's just a normal way of conducting business. You buy time on the radio station show and play your records. What's more capitalistic than that?
You are spot on as Justice Thomas and Alito have their own payola going on which allow Billionaires to buy them homes or and expensive vacation trips for a favorable ruling if there businesses are involved in Supreme Court cases.
@@ashleyraya4587 oh yea I totally get that, and the fact that he was basically the soundtrack for the Civil rights movement makes me think it could go even deeper than that.
I love all types of music and believe me I still have the album 10 love pearl jam. Mental health should be looked at like if someone had cancer ms or any other disease. Sorry so many children who feel if they weren’t alive how better for everyone this why to me Jeremy is a song written before it’s time talking about mental illness. Gwan peal jam love your music
A few years ago they were brought before -wait for it-----a congressional hearing. It was no different than your average political cover up attempt. There was a very short video clip of the circus..watching the elite of the "industry" sit snug with their obvious "you ain't gonna touch us" smirk. The whole thing was a joke. Bought and paid for--and guess who walked away totally free? Are you aware that in Las Vegas they hold an actual ticket scam convention each year? For real....There's a lot out there if you know where and how to look.
This clip is a total dirty Hatchet job it informs us virtually zero art itself it's simply talks about whatever's lurid for example it mentions zero on what Elvis Presley put together, on what Chuck Berry for guitar and on what Bob Dylan did for everything.
Check out Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon if you want some interesting takes on some of the influences behind the recording industry from the mid-1960s on.
It could have been mentioned when record producer Joe Meek killed first his landlady and then himself in 1967. But Meek is rather unknown in the United States, I suppose.
13:00 Merideth Hunter was a black man with a gun. They say he was being harrassed a threathened by the crowed so he pulled out a gun and Hells Angels jumped him and killed him with a knife.
Why would you say Jimi Henfrix was the only black artist in the 60s and overlook the great talents of Ray Charles, James Brown, Smokey Robinson, The Temptations, The Four Tops, The Isley Brothers, Ike and Tina Turner, Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Jr. Walker, Booker T, David & Jimmy Ruffin, Edwin Starr, Sly Stone and many others of course we didn't even mention all the fabulous black female professionals in the 60s. What are you trying to say?
did systemic racism keep chuck berry, little richard, the supremes and jimi hendrix out of the record stores and off the radio? i have records from all of those and more.
I was born in Palo Alto in 1961, right at the end of the long arm of the fifties and the beginnings of the whole youthquake era. It was a blast being outraged and protesting! A great family across the street were rich hippies who overpaid us to babsit their huge hippie family, and had a nude "sit in" with pot almost every night. The dad was always spending the night in jail for burning the flag or staging a protest at city hall. It was fairly innocent and fun to try and fix everything and look cool at the same time. The English bands were especially exciting....
It may have been Les Paul. I know for a fact he did invent sound-on-sound recording--used in almost Every mid 60's song onward. Without that many of the rock era masterpieces would have never been cast in wax,
Payolas no more a crime than tipping your waiter or concierge for loyal service. Talk about how bad these people were screwed contractually. Stealing's always a crime. And they were all signing under duress. I call duress "hunger or poverty"
The young man who was killed by a Hell's Angel was neither aiming a gun at the stage or in the air. You can see that in the documentary. He pulls the gun on a Hell's Angel in self defense. They were beating people up and generally bullying those who got in the way. He does not pull a gun prior to confronting the "Angel". The Stones had the Hell's Angels there to add to their bad boy image and it went too far. Why else would you have them as security? Why not just hire a security agency?
CONTEXT; always IN CONTEXT!!! Mr Grunge, your visual presentation is good. However, your "narration" is filled w/'politically correct' RUBBISH, garbage through which you interpret your opinions of today to the CONTEXT of the '50s & '60s. I would be obliged if you would remember it
Boyer talked him into going to a hotel. As Cooke began taking down his pants, she grabbed his wallet and ran. Cooke tried running after her as he was pulling up his pants. The maid shot him as she thought it was a case of domestic violence, defending Boyer. Cautionary tale.
8:38 "systemic racism"?? Give us a break from that nonsense! Black artists almost completely dominated Motown; the first white Motown & Motown-spinoff artists like Rare Earth, R. Dean Taylor and Flaming Ember, were treated to raised eyebrows from both black and white audiences. And Motown was not only a huge presence in 1960s pop music, it WAS every bit rock & roll. Conversely , Jimmy Hendrix was never really accepted by black audiences; he even wrote at least 2 songs about his alienation from his own people. Sure, the growing separation between black and white tastes eventually caused a dumbing-down on both sides, but this was not some system of musical Jim Crow. It was more a symptom of the cultural separation that followed the social upheaval of the 1960s and 1970s.
Janis, Jim given hotshots of overdose heroin, very close together , very suss Jimmy died with a huge belly full of alcohol most like,y self inflicted All 27, the founders of that club sadly
The religious controversy over John Lennon's remarks, shows even today, the more educated liberal values of much of Western Europe versus the conservative less educated values of much of the US, is still a dividing line. Lennon was entitled to his opinion and the extremely crazed reaction to it, still is no different from the Iranian clerics to Salmon Rushdie's book or the behaviour of the Communist Chinese state towards religious minorities. Illiberal and dictatorial. Frankly medieval. What Lennon was actually commenting on is still going on in the UK, the march of secularism as our society grows up. He said in a clumsy way, but it's only an opinion, this isn't the age of the Inquisition and the reaction to it, shows up, that the people annoyed by his remark, really don't understand what he was saying....mind you Lennon often didn't think everything through, that he said, but as I said above, the society of the UK, like much of Western Europe is far more liberal now as then, than the US.
Where is merry Rock And Roll today ..? long gone even as a recognisable form of palatable Pop Music, all of it eaten up by the Music Industry's need for instant karma or sales? Where are those pesky Christians now .. pushing state-funded abortion and contraception, embracing odd sexual quirks, and dancing to a different tune = saving the world, from us? The intelligentsia's media-endorsed hype about the mid-twentieth-century's 'beat generation', on the road again and again and again, has morphed into a self-perpetuating manufactured and industrialised advertisement-corporation zeitgeist - kool-aid substitute - for actual history (.. much too dull, my dear ..) And it is eagerly guzzled still by .. souls who want to imagine themselves to be out-there, well-street-credded, independent, free-thinking (music industry published media reading/ watching/ following) individualistic rebels .. even as they adopt the latest sound, garb, and idea being pushed as defiantly: 'new'. In reality, the popular music of the 1960s - as before it and after it - was just selling a product, persuading people they wanted it, and fulfilling the commercial demand for that lived need; the biggest change was in the age of the target audience, and at least in the 1950-60s, to the targetted talent pool* .. i.e. easy to manipulate 'teenage' children with lots of money to waste .. endlessly streaming from their parents (or less legitimate sources). ;o) * A quaintly talented, if swiftly devoured, lot of souls they were.
Why are you lumping in marijuana with hallucinogenic drugs like LSD? Marijuana is not psychoactive. Total misrepresentation. Sometimes, it is best not to talk about things one does not possess any knowledge of, as this invariably leads to disinformation! Disappointing end to an interesting video.
Taking today’s social justice warrior BS and imprinting it OVERLY…is distorting the facts. Stick to the music…not using good music to overlay your social justice non sense to advance YOUR AGENDA! Terrible and not about the music!
Lennon’s apology was a joke. Claimed it was misinterpreted. He and Yoko were as hypothetical as the church. Keyboardist Jimmie smith referred to the Beatles as “a gimmick”. How right he was. That’s why He, McCann, Harris, Blue Mitchell, Lou Donaldson ,Ramsey Lewis, muddy, BB, HW, JLH, lightening, etc etc stayed with blues, gospel and r&b. I understand the argument of appropriation, however it not for the stones, Clapton, Duane alman etc, whom I believe weren’t appropriating, instead paying homage, put these guys on the map as they deserved to be. Loved most Woodstock music(only) but Newport was so much better imho.
Hey, I was a hippie, sorry to say. Look what the music has gotten us now, transhumanism, the panopticon state, the murder of fetuses, et al. Don't make things try to seem all hippie flippy and trippy, junior. The Beatles didn't even write a lot of their music, the schlemiels at Tavistock did.
Marty Balin was knocked out for attempting to assist a spectator being beaten by Hell's Angels. He was the only man there willing to intervene. A legend as an artist and as a man.
True, I met Marty and his dad after a performance at B B KINGS NYC , perfect gentlemen, his dad WW 2 vet nice conversation them , they watched me as I pulled a gag on Kantner , Marty was cracking up. RIP Marty Buchwald .
Helter Skelter
Lmao. Were you there? But he did intervene nonetheless. Unless you were there the reason why he jumped in from above wasnt certain. Balin was a hot head and should have stayed out of it.
With the exclusion of Jack and Jorma, JA was so overrated. Shock value. Grace dressed up like a nun. Why? Lmao.
R.I.P., Marty. Loved your song, "Hearts (Can Be This Way)".
@@patrickryan1515I have that single on a 45.
As a black man born in 1961, I was was raised in a multi racial musical environment. Just turned 62 and looking to buy a new electric guitar!❤🎉
Me too
I have to strongly disagree that black and women artists were excluded from sixties rock. The video ignored the success of the Motown record label of the mid to late 1960's. In addition to Motown's Supremes, I can think of many successful female artists off the top of my head: Aretha Franklin, Cher, Petula Clark and Lulu. Just look at the list of the week-by-week number one singles of the decade. You will notice much diversity.
It's another leftist BLM-Propaganda piece that paints black people as the unwanted minority, completely contrary to reality. It's especially laughable considering how huge and influental Hendrix was in the late 60's
I live an hour from Detroit and Motown was pretty big in the 60's. Detroit is still referred to as Motown often today.
Agree. This video was wrong on so many fronts.
Dusty Springfield? Big in UK.
Bobby Gentry. No 1 in 1966/7? Went straight to the top.
Supposedly it was the Rolling Stones who hired the Hells Angels because they had used England's chapter for security before. The Grateful Dead warned them that the U.S. chapter was a different animal and not to use them.
Otis Redding was on top of THE game when he died.
Sam Cooke was a massive loss. Never equaled.
Buddy Holly was the biggest loss by far.
You forgot Eddie Cochran. The "Summertime Blues" singer was killed in a 1960 taxi cab accident in London, U.K. that was driven by a 19 year old whom lost control and crashed against a concrete lampstand. Others on board included Gene Vincent (fractured collar bone added to all his other past injuries), Sharon Sheeley, Cochran's girlfriend at the time (back injuries), and tour manager Patrick Thompson (who along with the 19 year old driver escaped unharmed). All were departing from a concert they all played at the Bristol Hippodrome and Cochran was due to perform in America the following afternoon. He was the only NON-survivor. Cochran died 16 hours following the accident and was buried at Forest Lawn Cemetary in Glendale California that April 25th. Cochran was just 21 years old.
Blue cher destroyed that song. The who, wore the song out.
You guys probably slit speakers with razor blade.
Eddie Cochran was a huge omission. So many original songs at a young age. It hurts to wonder how he would've evolved. A tragic loss.
Eddie Cochran is criminally underappreciated. Elvis was said to only see one other performer as a serious threat to his throne as "King of rock and roll": Eddie Cochran. Unlike Elvis, Eddie actually wrote songs and could play the hell out of that Gretsch 6120. I love Elvis, but Eddie Cochran had it all.
Cochrane’s accident was in Chippenham Wiltshire on the A4
@@dannyhood7433 Blue Cheer and The Who's version are more hard rock but Eddie Cochran's version still can't be beat!
The Monkees was a show about a pop group, never claimed to be an actual group.
Most groups at that time had their music played by session players, who came to be known as 'The Wrecking Crew', look for the video.
Buddy Holley died in 1959, never made it to the sixties.
Wrong. The Monkees were presented as the group that wrote, played and sang their songs. On the original records nobody else but those 4 guys are credited for being the players. In fact, the "More of the Monkees" album included a statement that claimed that except for the occassional horn or bass player it was just the 4" and that's a total lie.
They were a total scam like Boney M or Milli Vanilli.
And it doesn't matter if Holly died in 1959. He was the biggest, most tragic loss to music.
@@ShadowAngel-lt8nwNot true. We knew perfectly well that they were a made for tv pop group. We knew all about the session players and who the songwriters were. I have the original albums and it lists the songwriters for each song on them.
PAYOLA is more prominent nowadays than it ever has been.
"The Day The Music Died" was in the 50's...not the 60's
Tommy James, from Tommy James and the Shondells, wrote an excellent book many years ago, titled 'Me, The Mob, and The Music', about the deep and totally unscrupulous involvement of La Cosa Nostra/Mafia in the music industry in the 1960s', and mafia- associated record producer Morris Levy.
Excellent Book.❤
Great Read!!
So great to see Caetano and Gil being mentioned in this video. Brazil’s counterculture is often forgotten in this period, although is as important as the US movements
I never knew about that, very sad they were mistreated.
You'd think that after all the time that has passed people would learn, but money and popularity once again prove to powerful to overcome the better side of our nature. ✌️
One of the ways Freed got away with “payola” was by claiming co-songwriting credit. He was also notorious for forcing musicians to appear at his Rock and Roll shows for either very little pay or no pay at all. Refusing to perform at these shows meant that their records would not get air play. He was no hero.
Chuck D of Public Enemy was angry enough to write a song called "Crayola" which deals with the payola scheme. One infamous line aims directly at Dick Clark who escaped at a loss of $8 million which was made up while host The $20,000 Pyramid mentions "Missed what I said cause he don't own his damn hits!" Clark's feelings were very hurt by this and for the rest of his life, he never trusted Chuck D again.
You have that backwards CLARK was the one who absolutely REFUSED to pay performing artist on Bandstand--the exchange national exposure. During the payola investigation Clark was given an option--relinquish his interest in many of his record labels or give up his tv show.
In Brittain there was also the "scandal" of the early 60s similar to the Shangri La's when self written song "Terry" was performed by singer Twinkle - aka the late Lynne Ripley. It too had a tragic theme about a motorcycle death after an argument and when the BBC wanted to ban it the song and Twinkle became that much more popular!
Motown was hugely popular, Sly and the family stone were making great money, racism couldn't stop rock and roll.
I have many 45s from Motown, albums too
Motown is not rock, you are confusing "anyting popular in the 60s" with "rock music". Sly and the Family Stone were not considered rock in the 60s, they were R&B.
@@perfectallycromulent Sly and the Family Stone, as with other bands of the time, not to be pigeon holed, were considered to straddle a number of genres, I Want to take you Higher absolutely rocks.
Considering the narrator of this video is calling the Beach Boys a rock band, it feels weirdly selective to take issue with someone in the comments citing Sly and the Family Stone.
@@nessy9022 i think that you are going more with what you'd like to think was true at the time, and not recognizing that the racist and sexist views at the time ensured that "rock music = white guys." perhaps you might want to check out the recent controversy about the racist beliefs of the man who controlled Rolling Stone for decades.
@@perfectallycromulent "I think that you are going more with what you'd like to think was true at the time"
I think you're arguing with a point you'd have liked me to have made. I pointed out that during the 60s rock wasn't so limited in its scope that Sly and the Family Stone were pigeon holed as specifically a R&B group when the reality is that they were pivotal in the development of funk, soul, R&B, rock, and psychedelic music and jumped and merged genres with as much ease as The Beatles. Rock was evolving.
This was a time when experimentation was a prominent feature of rock, see The Beatles many forays into what could best be described as children's songs, see The Small Faces Ogdens' Nut Gone Flake, or The Kinks' The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society. The bands spanned multiple genres and yet, each, in their own way, came under the broad umbrella of rock. Relevant to my point, a telling example regarding their crossover appeal to (overwhelmingly white) rock audiences was Sly and The Family Stone's performance at Woodstock.
As to what you thought I was saying. I spoke nothing of sexism or racism, because, I mean, come on, only a fool would argue that the racist and sexist views at the time weren't prevalent. For sexism one only needs to listen to The Beatles You Can't Do That, or Run for Life, or The Rolling Stones Under My Thumb. For racism one only need listen to Brown Sugar or notice the dearth of females or POC in 60s rock. It doesn't require digging up interviews with obscure figures - it's right there in the music and It's been there in plain sight from the outset.
My daughter, who was born in the 80s, loves the Beatles
But Lucy (in the sky with diamonds) was about LSD. Read the lyrics. Lennon's hallucinating.
Alan Freed at least had the balls and integrity to admit he took money to play certain records while that phoney weasel Dick Clark played dumb and swore he never ever did. That story is almost as dumb as the "Magic Bullet" theory.
I never knew someone was killed at Woodstock.
While Peter, Paul & Mary publicly maintained that "Puff, the Magic Dragon" was an innocent song, when they got their gold record, they gave their vocal coach a gold bong as a thank-you gift.
I was at a cultural festival in Belfast some years ago - one of the events was the screening of a rarely seen film of the Rolling Stones in the mid-sixties during a tour of Ireland. Arterwards thgere was a Q & A wirth Andrew Loog Oldham who had been their manager at the time.
A young man asked Mr. Oldham if he had any advice for young musicians wanting to make music their career. He replied "If you're not prepared to get f****d, darling, find another business".
Payola still goes on in modern day. Sony Music was accused of it for some of Mariah Carey's #1 singles in the 90s
@Norberto Fontanez she's a Pop/RnB singer Songwriter etc. from Long Island NY who was the best selling artist of the 1990s selling 63 million albums singles etc. from her debut in Spring/summer 1990 until December 1999 releasing 6 Studio albums a Holiday album and her first greatest hits compilation #1s in that time with each album selling a minimum of 3,000,000 in the US
@Norberto Fontanez some chick who can't sing
That would explain things.
By the end of the decade, Chuck D of Public Enemy came up with a song called "Crayola".
Christianity didn't disappear though and John Lennon son said he hoped his father learned no to HIT women in heaven bc he use to hit his mother 😢.
I thought this would be about Mob figures like Morris Levy, or when Columbo Underboss Sonny Franzese said "The Shangri las belong to me"
Generation X missed out on the amazing music of the 60s. I'm expecting fabricated memories from them, claiming to remember things from the moment they were born... Which says a lot really, I guess the 80s was embarrassing. They missed out on Jimi Hendrix.
They missed out on soul music of that era, rock, jazz, pop, early stages of funk etc. Damn I would hate to be GenX on top of that, Woodstock, they missed out on that too.
No we didn't. Gen x - We are the kids of these hippies. You mean Gen Z
@@susannpatton2893 I argue that they haven't missed out since the music is still here.
I played it in the house for my son but he was like ended up wearing suits and became a business man like his grandfather 😂
@@susannpatton2893 um, no I meant GenX, remind me. How old were you in 1969?
If you don't respond then thanks for proving my point... Weird individual
There’s good and bad in every generation, there’s a variety of great underrated artists out there who get outshined by the mainstream train wrecks.
Oh come on! Yes the record executives were screwing the artists at the time, and the groups but most weren't savvy enough to hire lawyers. everyone was trying to screw everyone else, and you cant blame A serial murderers family for killing 9 people and killing the scene at the time though his connection to a record producer who told him he wouldn't be signing him to a recording contract didn't sit well with him; then getting thrown out along with his followers out of Dennis Wilsons house around the same time might have been his trigger for that dark phase but WTH was Dennis Wilson, a frieken BEACH BOY thinking letting the Manson family crash at his Cali mansion for? Thats crazy. All the while record companies needed weekly chart topping hits and did they go to the artist or groups? Maybe if the artist could sing lead on a track but they were straight out making up pop and rock groups actually made by a crackerjack team of A team of California studio musicians who probably played on 85% of everything that was released, then they would put together these homade groups of good looking teens and they would tour the country, play and mostly mime these hits because they weren't at the level of playing that the studio cats were. Indeed, the A team was badass, anyway; the record companies made a fortune doing this. The studio musicians made really good money and didn't have to travel. but they blocked themselves from being famous as they mostly got paid a flat fee off selling the tracks to the artists and these made-up pop stars who toured the country, got rich and famous off shilling that famous off to a starving audience of 1960s hippies who just wanted a soundtrack for their generation. And so, it goes weve all wanted a soundtrack for every generation since. I'm an 80s boy and once I hear anything by The Cars, Vanhalen, Madonna, or Cyndi Lauper, it takes me right back to age 17 again and i can almost still smell the classroom smells of pencil shavings and chalk. Now that I've written so much i realize i shouldn't have taken a double portion of some fire edibles before i sat down to write a 2 or 3 sentence reply to this video, so... sorry folks!
The Shangri-la's had a horrible time they were very young girls and made very
little money
I’m from Ottawa, Canada. I had no idea this happened! That’s wild. Nothing rock n roll ever happens here😂
Bryan Adams?
Be grateful.
The Band
The Altamont incident with the Angel’s is talked about so notoriously among dead heads it totally makes me think it was them
Back then hells angels were often used as security bouncers for concerts and festivals in SF, it was the end of an era Beatniks which Jerry Garcia was part of..🏴☠
I always thought payola should be legal. If TIME/LIFE can buy a half hour of airtime to sell their records, why can't any other record company buy 3 minutes to play theirs?
some radio stations had banned the record because they had felt the lyrics were too sexually charged, not many.
Being a veteran collector and knowledgeable fan of virtually everyone appearing in this video, I want to make sure to tell the self-righteous Bible brigade that still feels the need to comment on the music of the last 70 years; Stick it in your ear, all of it. Doesn’t matter if it’s Lawrence Welk or Taylor Swift or beyond…you want to play the laughable role of judge and jury on musical culture. Get some kind of life, all of you. Rock ‘n Roll will never die. Too bad for you.
I think being the one person who died by being ran over by a tractor at woodstock was the most metal/rock n roll way to go.
I bright side of 1960s music is timeless, i could care less about the other side. Doesn't change anything.
It was said Hendryx choaked on his vomit and Joplin fell breaking her nose ( " Summer of Love" book)
Those Beatles records destroyed back in the 60's would be worth a fortune these days. Charles Manson really was very talented musically.
Very talented? I've heard Manson's "LIE" record. Meh.
You should do a video on the infamous '27 Club'. Rock stars who all died at the age of 27.
While Charles Manson focused some of his attention on the Beatles, he was even more enamored by Robert Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land. That novel expanded his already erotically dysphoric view of history and culture.
If that law against payola came up before The Supreme Court today, they would probably rule in favor of the record companies and say it's just a normal way of conducting business. You buy time on the radio station show and play your records. What's more capitalistic than that?
You are spot on as Justice Thomas and Alito have their own payola going on which allow Billionaires to buy them homes or and expensive vacation trips for a favorable ruling if there businesses are involved in Supreme Court cases.
Payola is NOT a Crime Never has been It is failing not to pay taxes on the money. Payola is part of the music industry--always has been
Look how cute Bob Dylan was when he was young
Elvis never quite had the voice he thought he had
He never wrote a song, played an instrument and he wasn't much of a singer either.
@@patrickporter6536 He was just a huge Commodity
He was a Gospel singer originally.
The thing is, Elvis COULD sing exceptionally well - He just never had to.
I'll take Sam Cooke over Elvis anyday, it's one of the most shameful things ive ever heard about the way he died.
The true crime junkie in me thinks the manager and the girl he was with were in kahoots
I'll take Elvis over Sam Cooke any day
@@ashleyraya4587 oh yea I totally get that, and the fact that he was basically the soundtrack for the Civil rights movement makes me think it could go even deeper than that.
Sam Cook was set up by his manager.
Jackie Wilson...
Thanks for the scrambled eggs
North MYRTLE beach SC the home of SHAG dance to R and B and Vanna White. We're cool here. We like both types of tunes.
I love all types of music and believe me I still have the album 10 love pearl jam. Mental health should be looked at like if someone had cancer ms or any other disease. Sorry so many children who feel if they weren’t alive how better for everyone this why to me Jeremy is a song written before it’s time talking about mental illness. Gwan peal jam love your music
And now the FBI are considered crookee😂
If the 60´s were that way, imagine what happens in the 2000´s....
this is like having your mother tell you about premarital sex
Any news about ticketmaster? you know OUR payola worth billions of dollars to scammers.
A few years ago they were brought before -wait for it-----a congressional hearing. It was no different than your average political cover up attempt. There was a very short video clip of the circus..watching the elite of the "industry" sit snug with their obvious "you ain't gonna touch us" smirk. The whole thing was a joke. Bought and paid for--and guess who walked away totally free? Are you aware that in Las Vegas they hold an actual ticket scam convention each year? For real....There's a lot out there if you know where and how to look.
This clip is a total dirty Hatchet job it informs us virtually zero art itself it's simply talks about whatever's lurid for example it mentions zero on what Elvis Presley put together, on what Chuck Berry for guitar and on what Bob Dylan did for everything.
Perhaps if they hired the Hell's Angels to do security at Woodstock 99, things may have gone a bit differently.
ABout Brazilian artists, they today say they were trying to implement Communism.
Check out Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon if you want some interesting takes on some of the influences behind the recording industry from the mid-1960s on.
It could have been mentioned when record producer Joe Meek killed first his landlady and then himself in 1967. But Meek is rather unknown in the United States, I suppose.
The Chambers Brothers were a black band with a white drummer who were a rock/psychedelic band! Black artists just didn’t try rock!
& 1 of the most under-rated groups ever! Integrated their band before Allman Brothers & War.
Wayne Cochran? The version of "Last Kiss" I know was by J. Frank Wilson and The Cavaliers.
Cochran did the original. I can't imagine him dying in a car accident with all that padding on his head.
Sam Cooke, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Phil Spector all had one connection .... Marty Machat & The Mob
Wrong.
13:00 Merideth Hunter was a black man with a gun. They say he was being harrassed a threathened by the crowed so he pulled out a gun and Hells Angels jumped him and killed him with a knife.
They still do it today 2023 !
Nothing has changed. Now it’s only worse, much worse !
So female empowerment was a 'dark side', was it?
Let it be. Paul said.
Why would you say Jimi Henfrix was the only black artist in the 60s and overlook the great talents of Ray Charles, James Brown, Smokey Robinson, The Temptations, The Four Tops, The Isley Brothers, Ike and Tina Turner, Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Jr. Walker, Booker T, David & Jimmy Ruffin, Edwin Starr, Sly Stone and many others of course we didn't even mention all the fabulous black female professionals in the 60s. What are you trying to say?
did systemic racism keep chuck berry, little richard, the supremes and jimi hendrix out of the record stores and off the radio? i have records from all of those and more.
I was born in Palo Alto in 1961, right at the end of the long arm of the fifties and the beginnings of the whole youthquake era. It was a blast being outraged and protesting! A great family across the street were rich hippies who overpaid us to babsit their huge hippie family, and had a nude "sit in" with pot almost every night. The dad was always spending the night in jail for burning the flag or staging a protest at city hall. It was fairly innocent and fun to try and fix everything and look cool at the same time. The English bands were especially exciting....
Now look at the state of the world.
Who invented the electric guitar?
Thomas Edison? Or was it the light-bulb? Duh.
The Sumarians.
It may have been Les Paul. I know for a fact he did invent sound-on-sound recording--used in almost Every mid 60's song onward. Without that many of the rock era masterpieces would have never been cast in wax,
Half of The Bar-Kays died with Otis Redding.
Payolas no more a crime than tipping your waiter or concierge for loyal service. Talk about how bad these people were screwed contractually. Stealing's always a crime. And they were all signing under duress. I call duress "hunger or poverty"
Just ZZZUPPPERRRR😊
The young man who was killed by a Hell's Angel was neither aiming a gun at the stage or in the air. You can see that in the documentary. He pulls the gun on a Hell's Angel in self defense. They were beating people up and generally bullying those who got in the way. He does not pull a gun prior to confronting the "Angel". The Stones had the Hell's Angels there to add to their bad boy image and it went too far. Why else would you have them as security? Why not just hire a security agency?
Another case of presentism which is putting current sensibilities on to the past. That was then this is now.
Not entirely the real story having been there/done that
CONTEXT; always IN CONTEXT!!! Mr Grunge, your visual presentation is good. However, your "narration" is filled w/'politically correct' RUBBISH, garbage through which you interpret your opinions of today to the CONTEXT of the '50s & '60s. I would be obliged if you would remember it
YEAH, IT WAS ALL GREAT!
Janis!
Boyer talked him into going to a hotel. As Cooke began taking down his pants, she grabbed his wallet and ran. Cooke tried running after her as he was pulling up his pants. The maid shot him as she thought it was a case of domestic violence, defending Boyer. Cautionary tale.
8:00 All these damn plane crashes!!! All those damn planes should have been banned in 1903!!!☝😏
not so sure it was drug overdose ,or death by assassination,pinned on drug overdoes ,just sayin
8:38 "systemic racism"?? Give us a break from that nonsense! Black artists almost completely dominated Motown; the first white Motown & Motown-spinoff artists like Rare Earth, R. Dean Taylor and Flaming Ember, were treated to raised eyebrows from both black and white audiences. And Motown was not only a huge presence in 1960s pop music, it WAS every bit rock & roll. Conversely , Jimmy Hendrix was never really accepted by black audiences; he even wrote at least 2 songs about his alienation from his own people. Sure, the growing separation between black and white tastes eventually caused a dumbing-down on both sides, but this was not some system of musical Jim Crow. It was more a symptom of the cultural separation that followed the social upheaval of the 1960s and 1970s.
Janis, Jim given hotshots of overdose heroin, very close together , very suss
Jimmy died with a huge belly full of alcohol most like,y self inflicted
All 27, the founders of that club sadly
Wow... lol... so much yap yap yap with no knowledge of the time...
ya john lennon was a fool,
I agree. He was rootless.
And now Lenin was murdered and is probably not with Jesus, guess he was wrong
The religious controversy over John Lennon's remarks, shows even today, the more educated liberal values of much of Western Europe versus the conservative less educated values of much of the US, is still a dividing line. Lennon was entitled to his opinion and the extremely crazed reaction to it, still is no different from the Iranian clerics to Salmon Rushdie's book or the behaviour of the Communist Chinese state towards religious minorities. Illiberal and dictatorial. Frankly medieval.
What Lennon was actually commenting on is still going on in the UK, the march of secularism as our society grows up. He said in a clumsy way, but it's only an opinion, this isn't the age of the Inquisition and the reaction to it, shows up, that the people annoyed by his remark, really don't understand what he was saying....mind you Lennon often didn't think everything through, that he said, but as I said above, the society of the UK, like much of Western Europe is far more liberal now as then, than the US.
Soooo right. U nailed it.
Maybe a less overtly U.S. narration ?
Anyone gonna mention anything about the two young men in wigs in the thumbnail?
Where is merry Rock And Roll today ..? long gone even as a recognisable form of palatable Pop Music, all of it eaten up by the Music Industry's need for instant karma or sales? Where are those pesky Christians now .. pushing state-funded abortion and contraception, embracing odd sexual quirks, and dancing to a different tune = saving the world, from us?
The intelligentsia's media-endorsed hype about the mid-twentieth-century's 'beat generation', on the road again and again and again, has morphed into a self-perpetuating manufactured and industrialised advertisement-corporation zeitgeist - kool-aid substitute - for actual history (.. much too dull, my dear ..) And it is eagerly guzzled still by .. souls who want to imagine themselves to be out-there, well-street-credded, independent, free-thinking (music industry published media reading/ watching/ following) individualistic rebels .. even as they adopt the latest sound, garb, and idea being pushed as defiantly: 'new'.
In reality, the popular music of the 1960s - as before it and after it - was just selling a product, persuading people they wanted it, and fulfilling the commercial demand for that lived need; the biggest change was in the age of the target audience, and at least in the 1950-60s, to the targetted talent pool* .. i.e. easy to manipulate 'teenage' children with lots of money to waste .. endlessly streaming from their parents (or less legitimate sources).
;o)
* A quaintly talented, if swiftly devoured, lot of souls they were.
The Devil's music
Why are you lumping in marijuana with hallucinogenic drugs like LSD? Marijuana is not psychoactive. Total misrepresentation. Sometimes, it is best not to talk about things one does not possess any knowledge of, as this invariably leads to disinformation! Disappointing end to an interesting video.
Taking today’s social justice warrior BS and imprinting it OVERLY…is distorting the facts. Stick to the music…not using good music to overlay your social justice non sense to advance YOUR AGENDA! Terrible and not about the music!
Lennon’s apology was a joke. Claimed it was misinterpreted. He and Yoko were as hypothetical as the church.
Keyboardist Jimmie smith referred to the Beatles as “a gimmick”. How right he was. That’s why He, McCann, Harris, Blue Mitchell, Lou Donaldson ,Ramsey Lewis, muddy, BB, HW, JLH, lightening, etc etc stayed with blues, gospel and r&b.
I understand the argument of appropriation, however it not for the stones, Clapton, Duane alman etc, whom I believe weren’t appropriating, instead paying homage, put these guys on the map as they deserved to be.
Loved most Woodstock music(only) but Newport was so much better imho.
Hendrix was murdered by the US government because he was giving money to the black panthers.
why do these documentaries always combine alcohol with dangerous drugs. Jesus drank wine. Damn give us a break or try banning it again, 1910
Hey, I was a hippie, sorry to say. Look what the music has gotten us now, transhumanism, the panopticon state, the murder of fetuses, et al. Don't make things try to seem all hippie flippy and trippy, junior. The Beatles didn't even write a lot of their music, the schlemiels at Tavistock did.
Sounds like you took too much brown acid.
nutter
HA!! That Brazilian guy looks like "Weird Al" Yankovic @ 4:52!!
Cute take. However lacks indepth analysis and drudges up the now common racial/ethnic spars over and over. Ahhhh////wakeme whenit's over......