I'll just say, standing at the corner exit here REALLY puts it into perspective. I've watched the 12 hours for years, Sebring is one of my top 3 favorite tracks in the world, but even knowing how bumpy it is claimed to be you don't realize how bumpy it REALLY is until you see cars jumping through the air - at speed, in person. The slo mo with the Mazda prototype pretty much sums it up - ramps on a race track, prepare to have any semblance of balance and grip destroyed. Now remember how fast they are going through there, which you just dont get the same feel for on TV. And that, is why Sebring is awesome. Bumpy is an understatement.
+Empty Box Awesome to see you on here. Yea I've been running at Sebring with the Prototype C7 on iRacing. Turn 17 is pretty intense. Cool to see the bumps exist in real life and that drivers have to figure out how to run it. I was as the Rolex 24 a few weeks back. It was pretty awesome. I wanted to jump in one of the cars sooo bad lol
Guys, one of your best videos to date. Absolutely beautiful. Anyone who has played a game with the track properly represented can say with confidence that something is weird about that corner. To connect like that, to see the real life exposition of it, a drivers interview with some beautiful shots and excellent choice of music is just art. If you guys did a documentary of this entire series I would absolutely buy it ten times over.
As a former Chin instructor this corner was always difficult to teach. But there are references to get you through it. You almost set it up as two seperate corners. One things for sure, it’s bumpy now matter what line you take through there.
You know... I haven't been to this track, YET, and I've always wondered while playing Forza... what is the proper set into the turn AND where the hell is the Apex?? This video kind of made me feel better.
I was so skeptical about these US tracks. I thought the real tracks are all in Europe or Asia. Now i`ve watched several USCC events and i`m just amazed. There`s something different about their raceways. All kinds of asphalt changes through the lap, there are no cerbs in some corners. It seems to be a different kind of racing somehow. And Sebring is maybe the most illustrative of all US tracks. Looking forward to seeing the 12h. next year. :)
So basically, it's considered the most difficult because the track is sub-standard (fancy word for 'sh*t'). Anyway it's a matter of opinion, for me the most difficult turns are the corkscrew in Laguna Seca and the last turn before starting grid in Spa :)
Turn 17 is unique with the bump and it throws everything off. It is the one time where the calmness of the long backstretch is interrupted. Rode around this track in a Corvette at Chan Motorsports. Turn 7 is not an easy one either. No other track is so flat and bumpy as this.
Drive has really been frustrating me with some of their stuff lately, and this is a perfect example of that. As others have said, this simply isn't "the Most Difficult Turn in Racing".
It's difficult, but nothing like the chase at Bathurst. The chase is a 300Km/h chicane type corner (you don't brake for it) with bumps, camber AND elevation changes in the middle of the corner!
svvitchio the chase is full throttle at 300Km/h, it's not smooth either (just watch MW's 2007 top 10 shootout lap). The corner speed for this turn at sebring is at least 100Km/h slower than the chase. (there's a difference between approach speed and cornering speed)
I will NEVER forget those bumps. I have driven Skip Formula, Porsche GT3, Porsche Turbo and Ferrari 430 Challenge Stradale through there. EACH ONE WAS DIFFERENT. My car was the 996 Turbo for track. I have photos of that thing skipping along on 3 and 2 tires. I was there on a lapping day when Audi was finishing unpacking for LMP testing in 2007. The guys were watching us locals haul ass through there and wondering what the speaker in the video says "what is up with that turn?" LOL I call it "the brave turn" you use about 85-90% brakes because you are in a turn on the fast cars with downforce, it is hilarious.
The first thing i noticed on the first clip was the Sean Edwards name. For a second i thought that Sean was driving and got really exited, but then i saw R I P just underneath :( Great video as always
Turn 17 is among my top 5 difficult corners since the car keeps bouncing you are never sure when to get on the throttle since you never get the bite from the front end of the car,,, to early you get understeer/push on to the wall resulting in you having to back off the throttle,,, too late to get on the throttle you lose speed down the back straight,,, basically if you take it wrong you lose a ton of time resulting in a slow lap or guys passing you into the 1st corner in the race...
i don't like why every body is bitching…. i'm european my self and yes its definitely not the hardest corner in the world, but i do understand why they are saying it. i mean it hasn't have any of the elevation changes like the corkscrew or anything like that. but you try to turn in to that corner at a 165mph (265kph for me) make the car stick, take all the massive bumps (The car is jumping) STILL DOING 165MPH and putting on the gas before the end of the corner while steering out to a wall. i know al lot of you don't have the balls to do that. i know fore sure that 80 percent of the people here. haven't actually driven anything on a real race track.
Phil well, a formula 1 car couldn't do it. not because the speed is to high but because a formula one car can't cope with the bumps. it is to stiff and low, f1 cars don't drive on bumpy tracks they always drive on smooth asphalt. partly because they don't really have a normal suspension to deal with it. but if the track is smooth they could take that corner faster. have you ever watch onboard footage of a f1 car driving on spa?. fore this video i don't know, that's what they say on the video and i don't think there lying. personally i seriously think they can do that. the corner is really faint. but lets say they drive true them with 140mph, still not fast enough fore you?
Dangerous and skillful, but here's a thought - smooth out the track at the next resurfacing? Or is this something that always happens to this corner over time due to the unique angle or something?
This is no doubt the hardest corner at Sebring. Been through it many times in real life, still pretty tricky for me even now. (And that's entry at 135 mph, not 165, since that's all my car will do there.) Line it up wide, then turn in early, a straight line as close to the barricade as you can. Now you're out a bit to the left of the traditional, tight line. Brake, then tighten the turn to the right. Under the bridge get on the gas again but aim as far right as you can and apex near the grass on your right, so your track out is as late and wide as possible. And hold on, since that apex is where the most bumps are. (This is what works for me, at least. YMMV) In Forza 5, the best line is a lot tighter than real world. Turn in and keep close to the barricade the whole way, then open it up just after the bridge and watch out for the wall on your left as you track out. Tough, but fun!
I do the same as you but usually go a little wide of the apex by the bridge and start tracking out then. the line you were talking about is definitely the way to go for high hp cars though
GT cars have yellow headlights, Protos have white / clear. It's so in the rear view mirror / monitor or viewing the race you can get an idea of if it's coming really fast, or just fast.
It's worse in real life than forza. Their are a lot of bad comments by "know it alls" on here lol. Easily the most difficult corner their are many different lines for it as well, A lot of drivers look at it as a double apex corner. Eau rouge is smooth and its just a fast corner and if you were to compare every corner on every "track" this one happens to have huge bumps and very difficult braking zones. This is why I agree with the video and the drivers!! And I saw someone comment on the chase!!LOL you turn right going fast their is no difficultly there and no their is no bumps like that or off camber parts it's actually very smooth and the track is famously cambered for the cars. And recently repaved so your for a arcade game isn't the true gritty old track which was a bit bumpy at the top of the mountain but that's about it nothing like Sebring.
"...one of the most legendary corners in the USA" "..coming off the back straight, doing 165-170mph" ...nobody said 165mph THROUGH the corner. Surely they are shaving off ALOT of speed well before this turn. Nonetheless fast, scary, impressive...but lets stop the misunderstanding and exaggerating.
almost any circuit in Europe is watching this video and thinking: "bitch, please..." this guy doesn't seem to ever heard of, and only to name two, places like Spa-Francochamps or the Nurbugring....
So am I to take from all the complaining about Turn 17 being rough and that European drivers wimpishly complain about it and that the truest measure of a driver's and car's abilities are tested, that it is a terrible track. Yeah, God forbid that there are serious tracks in AMERICA, of all places, that test the car and driver. Can you hear yourselves whining about EXACTLY what racing is about? If this was a European track with such a ruddy rough corner or set of corners you'd all be jizzing yourselves. Nurburgring Nordschleife ring any bells, hypocrites. America: Taking the mysticism out of racing by making it actually cool, fun, accessible, effectively in your backyard, and in straight English. Stop complaining because you can understand it and it is in America.
I've never heard European drivers complain, they all love it other wise you wouldn't get the additional entries into Sebring and Audi/Porsche/BMW etc wouldn't go and test there. They say 12 hours at Sebring is like 24 at Le Mans, so once again they've never said its a terrible track, also no different to the NASCAR drivers/commentators saying how dangerous Le Mans or Bathurst is.
I've never heard a single NASCAR driver ever say that Le Mans is dangerous. Most when they retire from NASCAR want to race in it. (This is besides the fact NASCAR owns IMSA)
TRUMP 2016 TRUMP 2020 NASCAR just has far better marketing and brand penetration. That is what killed Trans-Am, which was very much like IMSA GT classes.
TRUMP 2016 TRUMP 2020 Brian Vickers did when he raced there in 2011?, he made the point on how dark it was at night and the closing speeds. That's just one driver, I've never heard European divers complain about Sebring.
I actually nail this track always its my second favorite after nubrugring in forza. While bbn others either go too die or too slow i can pull through effortlessly and al dente ost always get first in gt endurance. A great chance for me to catch up too. Really u just need to come in really fast and brake late then tap brake couple times then slowly accelerate after corner.
Actually a pretty good description of how to attack this corner in a real car, at least that's how I do it. Come in hot, late brake hard to apex and then square off turn. There is a blue dot on the bridge you want to aim for and then open wheel a bit out to edge of track as you put the power down. Sebring is one of those tracks that makes you wish you hadn't lowered your car.
the corkscrew is difficult and if you come in too fast, you'll spin out and hit the wall a la 458 Challenge - but there IS a right way to do it. turn 17 is more difficult because there is NO right way to do it.
I think the title and description on this video is just hook to get people to watch. And leave angry comments. Come on Drive! Sop contributing to the anger on youtube! Btw, does anyone have any idea how often cars crash/spin out at this corner compared to others around the world? (Looks pretty forgiving compared to some. eg Brünnchen.)
just because there are some bumbs on the tarmac doesnt mean you got a hard to drive or difficult to master race track ... try out the nurburgring and tell us about all the difficult corners in a row and how impossible it is to master them all in one lap ...
WTF? when i read the title i was expecting some hard turn but this is a normal turn for F1 cars, have these americans watch a F1 race or even know in which tracks F1 race? Spa, Monaco, Monza...
I would rather stick to Henrique statement who humbly says it's one of the most difficult in US. DRIVE People, there is a whole world outside USA, please take a flight to Europe and try Spa or Istanbul Park.
Haha the American way, always exagerate to impress people:S 165 mph, more like 100-110, so fail.. A formula 1 or indy car couldnt even go through such a corner at that speed, with a bumpy surface like that.. Lastly, its not a difficult corner at all by the looks, but i think its VERY hard to find the fastest line..
ZenGamer97 Its automotive porn, some of us like Justachipn and myself find our style of porn is the mechanics, and what makes things work. Fabrication and stuff. This video was basically 2 minutes to say 5 seconds worth of data. This learning of turn 17 was filled by so much passion. I learned so much. I especially learned it was a hard turn when a Ferrari was filmed on it. Ferrari is filled with passion. Especially in slo-mo. I feel so much smarter as a gearhead because of this. Busting your balls, I'm a huge fan of photography and videography, but I really didn't learn anything from this video. Neither did my counterpart. Sorry for being boring to the video game generation.
Ha, the Euros are right, that's not a race track. Its a WWII Air force landing strip in terrible condition that none-the-less makes for some brilliant racing.
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I'll just say, standing at the corner exit here REALLY puts it into perspective. I've watched the 12 hours for years, Sebring is one of my top 3 favorite tracks in the world, but even knowing how bumpy it is claimed to be you don't realize how bumpy it REALLY is until you see cars jumping through the air - at speed, in person.
The slo mo with the Mazda prototype pretty much sums it up - ramps on a race track, prepare to have any semblance of balance and grip destroyed. Now remember how fast they are going through there, which you just dont get the same feel for on TV.
And that, is why Sebring is awesome. Bumpy is an understatement.
You summed it up perfectly the slow-mo shots are stunning and put it into perspective.
+Empty Box Awesome to see you on here. Yea I've been running at Sebring with the Prototype C7 on iRacing. Turn 17 is pretty intense. Cool to see the bumps exist in real life and that drivers have to figure out how to run it. I was as the Rolex 24 a few weeks back. It was pretty awesome. I wanted to jump in one of the cars sooo bad lol
You're right about that. I've seen from onboard cameras how tough it is to keep the car from sliding. The camera just rattles like a b***h! Scary!
Empty Box its amazing to race on, by far my favorite track and the most challenging corner
I always slam into the wall in Forza on this track lol, it's so unexpected because it seems like an extremely wide turn.
Guys, one of your best videos to date. Absolutely beautiful. Anyone who has played a game with the track properly represented can say with confidence that something is weird about that corner.
To connect like that, to see the real life exposition of it, a drivers interview with some beautiful shots and excellent choice of music is just art.
If you guys did a documentary of this entire series I would absolutely buy it ten times over.
I wouldn't call it the most difficult, but that surface definitely makes it one of the most fun turns in road racing! Beautiful work as always gents.
I made my own track in my backyard, it's pretty bumpy, maybe more than Sebring so it has even more charm. Come race here.
As a former Chin instructor this corner was always difficult to teach. But there are references to get you through it. You almost set it up as two seperate corners. One things for sure, it’s bumpy now matter what line you take through there.
Perfect description. My favorite turn of any track i've driven!
That hop in the corner going that fast seems like a fun experience :D
You know... I haven't been to this track, YET, and I've always wondered while playing Forza... what is the proper set into the turn AND where the hell is the Apex?? This video kind of made me feel better.
This corner is a bitch.....specially in Forza hahaha
That's funny how forza would kinda tell u that you did that turn wrong....When you feel that you performed it well
My 4 favourite tracks in America are:
Road America.
Sebring.
Laguna Seca.
Road Atlanta.
God i love the sound of straight cut gears!
Hats off to the drivers!!!! Pushing it to the limit takes BALLS
/DRIVE needs to start putting song names in the description
5 years and still..... Looking for it...
Gotta love the C7.R man. Such a wonder sound to here in those corners.
I was so skeptical about these US tracks. I thought the real tracks are all in Europe or Asia. Now i`ve watched several USCC events and i`m just amazed. There`s something different about their raceways. All kinds of asphalt changes through the lap, there are no cerbs in some corners. It seems to be a different kind of racing somehow. And Sebring is maybe the most illustrative of all US tracks. Looking forward to seeing the 12h. next year. :)
So basically, it's considered the most difficult because the track is sub-standard (fancy word for 'sh*t').
Anyway it's a matter of opinion, for me the most difficult turns are the corkscrew in Laguna Seca and the last turn before starting grid in Spa :)
Turn 17 is unique with the bump and it throws everything off. It is the one time where the calmness of the long backstretch is interrupted. Rode around this track in a Corvette at Chan Motorsports. Turn 7 is not an easy one either. No other track is so flat and bumpy as this.
MOAR difficult turn videos
Drive has really been frustrating me with some of their stuff lately, and this is a perfect example of that. As others have said, this simply isn't "the Most Difficult Turn in Racing".
Im sorry.
SICK!! This turn is crazy on Gran Turismo and Forza the car hops everywhere!! Cant imagine the balls it takes to pull that off in real life!!!
On Gran Turismo?
I always wondered about this turn from playing Forza. Now I see it can really be a beast for race car drivers.
It's difficult, but nothing like the chase at Bathurst.
The chase is a 300Km/h chicane type corner (you don't brake for it) with bumps, camber AND elevation changes in the middle of the corner!
americans wont get it , any thing that's not a left turn is stated as most difficult corner.
***** which one are you referring to?
The chase doesn't even compare. Sure its a little faster (40km/h or so) but its smooth asphalt with a clear race line and miles of run off.
svvitchio the chase is full throttle at 300Km/h, it's not smooth either (just watch MW's 2007 top 10 shootout lap).
The corner speed for this turn at sebring is at least 100Km/h slower than the chase. (there's a difference between approach speed and cornering speed)
navanit kamble Why so much hate? Damn dude...
I will NEVER forget those bumps. I have driven Skip Formula, Porsche GT3, Porsche Turbo and Ferrari 430 Challenge Stradale through there. EACH ONE WAS DIFFERENT.
My car was the 996 Turbo for track. I have photos of that thing skipping along on 3 and 2 tires. I was there on a lapping day when Audi was finishing unpacking for LMP testing in 2007. The guys were watching us locals haul ass through there and wondering what the speaker in the video says "what is up with that turn?" LOL
I call it "the brave turn" you use about 85-90% brakes because you are in a turn on the fast cars with downforce, it is hilarious.
The first thing i noticed on the first clip was the Sean Edwards name. For a second i thought that Sean was driving and got really exited, but then i saw R I P just underneath :(
Great video as always
Are races at Sebring televised? How can I watch them along with GT races in Europe? Its so difficult to watch racing here in the US :/
This turn is so hard to master in Forza, but when you hit that perfect line you can feel the speed its amazing
I really like the helmet w/ Sean's name on it. Very cool video and thing to do.
Turn 17 is among my top 5 difficult corners since the car keeps bouncing you are never sure when to get on the throttle since you never get the bite from the front end of the car,,, to early you get understeer/push on to the wall resulting in you having to back off the throttle,,, too late to get on the throttle you lose speed down the back straight,,, basically if you take it wrong you lose a ton of time resulting in a slow lap or guys passing you into the 1st corner in the race...
holy fuck that c7 vette looked NICE
Corkscrew from Laguna Seca in Cali. Scary as hell when taken quickly.
Where can I watch a race like this on tv? Do they air this stuff?
***** Nice! Thank you
ALMS is now known as Tudor United Sportscar Championship. Check out the "TUDOR Championship" channel to see this exact race... all 12 hours of it.
FS1 broadcasts the IMSA races.
Where do you get those illuminated digital race numbers??
SONG NAME? anyone? shazam has failed me in my attempt to reveal it.
i love the drivetrain whine of a porsche, you can even hear it in my simple cheap boxster :)
Those are straight cut gears (as opposed to helical) giving that whine.
I hate this turn on Forza lmao i thought it was just me who had trouble taking it hahah
Omg. Too true.
i don't like why every body is bitching….
i'm european my self and yes its definitely not the hardest corner in the world, but i do understand why they are saying it. i mean it hasn't have any of the elevation changes like the corkscrew or anything like that. but you try to turn in to that corner at a 165mph (265kph for me) make the car stick, take all the massive bumps (The car is jumping) STILL DOING 165MPH and putting on the gas before the end of the corner while steering out to a wall. i know al lot of you don't have the balls to do that. i know fore sure that 80 percent of the people here. haven't actually driven anything on a real race track.
do you honestly think the car is holding 165 miles throughout the whole corner?
id have a hard time believing a f1 car doing it
Phil well, a formula 1 car couldn't do it. not because the speed is to high but because a formula one car can't cope with the bumps. it is to stiff and low, f1 cars don't drive on bumpy tracks they always drive on smooth asphalt. partly because they don't really have a normal suspension to deal with it. but if the track is smooth they could take that corner faster. have you ever watch onboard footage of a f1 car driving on spa?. fore this video i don't know, that's what they say on the video and i don't think there lying. personally i seriously think they can do that. the corner is really faint. but lets say they drive true them with 140mph, still not fast enough fore you?
i never said it was slow.
i just said they arent doing 165
that could be true :)
0:53 that explains my racing simulator history with this turn....
Thank you all for what you do!
Dangerous and skillful, but here's a thought - smooth out the track at the next resurfacing? Or is this something that always happens to this corner over time due to the unique angle or something?
anyone know what kind of light setup is on the tully's #81 car? that roof light is sweet!
This is no doubt the hardest corner at Sebring. Been through it many times in real life, still pretty tricky for me even now. (And that's entry at 135 mph, not 165, since that's all my car will do there.) Line it up wide, then turn in early, a straight line as close to the barricade as you can. Now you're out a bit to the left of the traditional, tight line. Brake, then tighten the turn to the right. Under the bridge get on the gas again but aim as far right as you can and apex near the grass on your right, so your track out is as late and wide as possible. And hold on, since that apex is where the most bumps are. (This is what works for me, at least. YMMV)
In Forza 5, the best line is a lot tighter than real world. Turn in and keep close to the barricade the whole way, then open it up just after the bridge and watch out for the wall on your left as you track out. Tough, but fun!
I do the same as you but usually go a little wide of the apex by the bridge and start tracking out then.
the line you were talking about is definitely the way to go for high hp cars though
Please bless us with the song name!
Why do they have yellow lights in the headlights?
GT cars have yellow headlights, Protos have white / clear. It's so in the rear view mirror / monitor or viewing the race you can get an idea of if it's coming really fast, or just fast.
Come to Australia and do some of our V8 Supercar laps on pretty much any track
I enjoyed the music more than anything in this video. WHAT IS THE SONGS NAME?
I love this turn ..... in rFactor 2 of course.
More difficult than the Eau Rouge?
Eau rouge isnt that difficult really
awesome vid!
what the Name of the song??
anotherone10
I see what you did there.
anotherone10 LOLOLOLOLOL
anotherone10 Nice
One of my favorites
I can't even imagine doing nearly 280km/h through a corner, amazing.
especially while bouncing towards a wall
That's the approach speed, cornering speed is much lower.
It's worse in real life than forza. Their are a lot of bad comments by "know it alls" on here lol. Easily the most difficult corner their are many different lines for it as well, A lot of drivers look at it as a double apex corner. Eau rouge is smooth and its just a fast corner and if you were to compare every corner on every "track" this one happens to have huge bumps and very difficult braking zones. This is why I agree with the video and the drivers!! And I saw someone comment on the chase!!LOL you turn right going fast their is no difficultly there and no their is no bumps like that or off camber parts it's actually very smooth and the track is famously cambered for the cars. And recently repaved so your for a arcade game isn't the true gritty old track which was a bit bumpy at the top of the mountain but that's about it nothing like Sebring.
I knew it was bumpy from playing it in Forza 4, but my god does it look even more terrifying in real life.
pleeeeassse somebody! does anybody knows the name of that glorious song?
Song?
LaFerrari around this corner is golden but its really up to the driver
Getting a good old American tank slapper at 165mph. Me Gusta
"...one of the most legendary corners in the USA" "..coming off the back straight, doing 165-170mph"
...nobody said 165mph THROUGH the corner. Surely they are shaving off ALOT of speed well before this turn. Nonetheless fast, scary, impressive...but lets stop the misunderstanding and exaggerating.
Should be in the USA doesnt really compare to Mt Panorama, Bathurst in Australia. Now thats a race track that truly rewards the brave.
Turn 5 at Road America. Going from the fastest part of the track, which is also downhill, to one of the tightest turns.
almost any circuit in Europe is watching this video and thinking: "bitch, please..."
this guy doesn't seem to ever heard of, and only to name two, places like Spa-Francochamps or the Nurbugring....
I also really want to know the name of this song.
wow really nice video
beautiful
Name of the song?
12 hours of sebring > car is ready for anything.. so.. 12 hours of sebring is tougher on the car than.. 24 hours of nurburgring, the paris-dakar?
SONG NAME PLEEEASE
Tbh mate i think these are all unique pieces created for the films. I've shazamed every one and no dice
Same, I wanna know as well.
So how come all the cars were taking the same line through the corner?
It's definitely not the hardest corner in Motorsport!
Henrique Cisneros, driver of the #30 MOMO NGT 991 Porsche GT3 Cup!!
Wait what kinda of racing is this?
this is the American Le Mans Series which is part of the IMSA. There is 4 classes: GT Le Mans, GT Daytona, Prototype, and Prototype Challenge.
***** dude thanks for helping a bro out. I appreciate the information.
kevin soos It's actually the United SportsCar Championship, because ALMS and Grand-Am Merged and the ALMS brand was absorbed by Grand-Am/NASCAR.
Love it.
Well said
2:15 - Deltawing
super cool.
iRacing modeled this turn well.
So am I to take from all the complaining about Turn 17 being rough and that European drivers wimpishly complain about it and that the truest measure of a driver's and car's abilities are tested, that it is a terrible track.
Yeah, God forbid that there are serious tracks in AMERICA, of all places, that test the car and driver.
Can you hear yourselves whining about EXACTLY what racing is about?
If this was a European track with such a ruddy rough corner or set of corners you'd all be jizzing yourselves. Nurburgring Nordschleife ring any bells, hypocrites.
America: Taking the mysticism out of racing by making it actually cool, fun, accessible, effectively in your backyard, and in straight English.
Stop complaining because you can understand it and it is in America.
I've never heard European drivers complain, they all love it other wise you wouldn't get the additional entries into Sebring and Audi/Porsche/BMW etc wouldn't go and test there. They say 12 hours at Sebring is like 24 at Le Mans, so once again they've never said its a terrible track, also no different to the NASCAR drivers/commentators saying how dangerous Le Mans or Bathurst is.
I've never heard a single NASCAR driver ever say that Le Mans is dangerous. Most when they retire from NASCAR want to race in it. (This is besides the fact NASCAR owns IMSA)
TRUMP 2016 TRUMP 2020
NASCAR just has far better marketing and brand penetration. That is what killed Trans-Am, which was very much like IMSA GT classes.
TRUMP 2016 TRUMP 2020 Brian Vickers did when he raced there in 2011?, he made the point on how dark it was at night and the closing speeds. That's just one driver, I've never heard European divers complain about Sebring.
I actually nail this track always its my second favorite after nubrugring in forza. While bbn others either go too die or too slow i can pull through effortlessly and al dente ost always get first in gt endurance. A great chance for me to catch up too. Really u just need to come in really fast and brake late then tap brake couple times then slowly accelerate after corner.
forza is an arcade game lol
Actually a pretty good description of how to attack this corner in a real car, at least that's how I do it. Come in hot, late brake hard to apex and then square off turn. There is a blue dot on the bridge you want to aim for and then open wheel a bit out to edge of track as you put the power down. Sebring is one of those tracks that makes you wish you hadn't lowered your car.
I thought the corkscrew at Laguna Seca would be tougher.
the corkscrew is difficult and if you come in too fast, you'll spin out and hit the wall a la 458 Challenge - but there IS a right way to do it. turn 17 is more difficult because there is NO right way to do it.
I think the title and description on this video is just hook to get people to watch. And leave angry comments. Come on Drive! Sop contributing to the anger on youtube!
Btw, does anyone have any idea how often cars crash/spin out at this corner compared to others around the world? (Looks pretty forgiving compared to some. eg Brünnchen.)
just because there are some bumbs on the tarmac doesnt mean you got a hard to drive or difficult to master race track ... try out the nurburgring and tell us about all the difficult corners in a row and how impossible it is to master them all in one lap ...
WTF? when i read the title i was expecting some hard turn but this is a normal turn for F1 cars, have these americans watch a F1 race or even know in which tracks F1 race? Spa, Monaco, Monza...
Go C7 teams.
Daww, why couldn't this have been called "Slow-MoMoMo?"
Errr, slow down boys, these fast paced shots feel like I'm watching a action movie. Give me some time to process the shit, appreciate each clip...
Absolutely unrelated, but.... FUCK TH-cam and their 30 seconds unskipable ads!
You still don't know about Adblock?
ugh one daaaay
european drivers are familiar with the nordschleife and this is 100x more difficulty
I hate what the merger did to this race. They should still allow the P1 cars in this race. The DP cars just aren't interesting to watch.
Kuba Giermaziak!
I would rather stick to Henrique statement who humbly says it's one of the most difficult in US. DRIVE People, there is a whole world outside USA, please take a flight to Europe and try Spa or Istanbul Park.
I LIVE IN SEBRING
If you think this is difficult come to the Uk and see the normal public roads here and try driving fast on them
Haha the American way, always exagerate to impress people:S 165 mph, more like 100-110, so fail.. A formula 1 or indy car couldnt even go through such a corner at that speed, with a bumpy surface like that.. Lastly, its not a difficult corner at all by the looks, but i think its VERY hard to find the fastest line..
Most difficult maybe but not the most exciting. The olds mathers cross before the stupid chicane was put in, that's a corner.
I always crash on that turn in forza 5
Most difficult corner my arse. Clearly they have never heard of eau rouge, the tight turns at Monaco or turn 8 at Istanbul.
" in U.S." he dose not say in the world
he said at the very beginning in america.
Just enjoy the video.
12w0 what about the corkscrew at laguna seca? pretty much blind going into it
jjlg561
Easier than you think. My first time I had butterflies, but it's simpler and shorter than this turn.
To much drama in videos anymore....not for gear heads....
Just shut up, ok?
ZenGamer97 Its automotive porn, some of us like Justachipn and myself find our style of porn is the mechanics, and what makes things work. Fabrication and stuff. This video was basically 2 minutes to say 5 seconds worth of data.
This learning of turn 17 was filled by so much passion. I learned so much. I especially learned it was a hard turn when a Ferrari was filmed on it. Ferrari is filled with passion. Especially in slo-mo. I feel so much smarter as a gearhead because of this.
Busting your balls, I'm a huge fan of photography and videography, but I really didn't learn anything from this video. Neither did my counterpart. Sorry for being boring to the video game generation.
Dat Asses everyone watch out, we've got a manly man over here
Dat Asses Just, no.
actually very true they even repeated what the guy said twice over I believe the same footage, add long intro, outro and you get nothing left
Yeah this turn is even hard in Forza.
Ha, the Euros are right, that's not a race track. Its a WWII Air force landing strip in terrible condition that none-the-less makes for some brilliant racing.
so is silverstone
THEBAKEMISTER
Yeah but nowhere on Silverstone do you drive on the original, badly crack and poorly repaired 1940's cement.
Too bad that he crashed at turn one at the 12 Hours of Sebring this year....