The things I dont like about the Argus changes is that he can no longer gain hp while attacking minions and jg creeps in ult and he no longer gains malice energy while attacking turrets which makes his split pushing slower, I also dont like the fact that they made him ult reliant again and the only time u can use the multi slash passive is when the enemy team is dumb enough to still attack you in ult phase or theyre using tanky heroes.
Yep, i tried played him in rank and i just okay, his late game was monster but what? The early game is weak af Edit: my bad, late game was not even monster, he can't kill tanky heroes that fast again like before the buff or revamp idk
@@leonmystique9372 Literally why you need to balance out Brawl META with objectives And that's what TLID reaped after ignoring Kelra shooting explosive arrows on their base especially on M6 grand finals
1:14 to anyone who believes this is an Argus buff I’ve got one thing to say to you. Wisdom is chasing but you are faster my friend. Try him out in ranked bro high rank matches his early game damage is non existent and once ur ult is on cd it’s 1 MINUTE. Continuous ganks to your lane from your enemy can shut you down for the entire game. And you can barely split push now even
@@Dblackdude in late game he's more good than previous but the problem is you always need to proc ult when engaging. the only problem is his early game game got nerf so hard make him hard to farm as exp laner because his previous 2nd skill can make him proc his passive proc 3 time if combine with inspire. now his early is like his old version (hook, poke and run)*repeat.
Buff is still not enough, she needs more damage to sustain in team fights, she gets bursted down easily to death even with 2 def items, unlike Yu Zhong
Looks like moneyton had the fake argus mains caught in their [mind control] because no way they can't see the downsides of the recent changes. They disguised this "buff for atk spd fighters" as a good thing but in reality they just made them deal with squishies a little quirky, while they struggle more when they're up against any sustain or tanky hero despite acquiring necessary counter items. It's more worse if you think about it since basic atk fighters heavily rely on items, switching a couple items might not sound that bad just to counter build but that also means you're indirectly hurting your overall damage. They don't even have that much base atk stats to begin with.
True Argus mains will find his "buff" a shit throwed by moontom at them. They somehow made his early game WORSE wich is important because it is nearly impossible to recover once you get bullied early game.
LOL TRUE! I tested him out and I just couldn't help but laugh at how his early damage and sustain was gone. In this current meta, how the hell can he keep up with fighters with lots and lots of sustain? His ulit is only reliable at late game. So how should we play him? I think when using Argus, we should use him in a lane that doesn't exit anywhere in the map so we could farm peacefully lmao.
1:14 - 2:35 this hero is not a "nightmare" hes a complete joke, they nerfed the sht out of him - passive give less healing (200 to 150 somehow they manage to make his early game worse) - losses extra passive malice energy (ult used to give extra energy 4-8 per sec. now hes stuck with 5 per sec.) - no longer generates malice energy on turrets (splitpushing got nerfed) - skill 2 base damage got nerfed to sht (used to be 300 - 400. now its 120 - 240 looool his splitpushing got nerfed again) - no longer charges malice energy on minions (splitpushing got nerfed once again lmaaaaaao) - cursed trail mov. spd. got nerfed (40% to 20% so his chasing capability got nerfed) - ult has much longer cooldown (36-30 to 60-50 wtf moonton) they manage to make him even worse just... wow... Meanwhile they buffed Dyrroth's passive to make it scale on his max hp so you can just build full tank and his passive would heal him more and Cici's basic attack ranged is now identical to her skill 1 range so she can now constantly poke you from a distance Definitely no bias against basic attack fighters...
YES finally as someone who already experimented on rank and actually got Bronze with 0/3/1 KDA. HE sucks big time now. Muntun just wanna nerf him because his Winrate is like 2nd highest these past 30 days.
Hell nah for dyrroth its a nerf. Who the runs him with fighter emblem, the expections him vs argus, thamuz, phovenius, getakoca, aulus terizla etc. Which is maybe 1 on 5 ranked games. Rest is asassin build and now with this new passive he gains less heal with asassin emblem cause its not scaling with atk given to enemies anymore.
Bro, i'm breaking myself cause trying full crit build. I don't know anymore wtf is build argus he now is the worst fighter in the game. And that build is what makes this adjustment crazy but again this is not recommended cause you need to reach full item to reach the powerspike. I use 5 windtalker and yeah it keep spinning whenever you got ult.
Damn, i just wanted a lil bit buff on argus like cd buff or little attribute buff yet they still find way to mess up the good ulti. The heal after his ulti is almost messed up esp when the enemy is only running around.
I think Zilong will be good at this point, after all I spam Zilong on Adv Server and enemies spam Zilong all the time. He doesn't even need Malefic Roar to be scary, nor does he need Windtalker. Attack Speed Nerf is nothing, just nullify it with Rose Gold Meteor.
Yep, 1k here, No more split pushing, clearing lane so hard, and to Regen with ult you need to hit heroes. So fuck argus user who needs creeps or hitting lord to Regen with ult
@@X-tR3j yes His ult will only Regen HP if you specifically hit the Heroes not the clone, So if you meet Popol or Zhask, or tanky heroes that you can't deal damage to? then Rest in peace Good bye just uninstall and review bomb moontoon at this point
Disagree. Although 2nd skill is weaker also passive. His ultimate has better usage. You can use it now to hunt enemies while having lower cd and now having a 2nd phase exchange for cd that allows to survive longer if within 4 second mark. Also ambushing is a lot easier and faster because you can stack passive and have another as soon as you use 2nd skill. Crit build is better and with the upcoming addition with rose gold you get free armor and better use of ss in situations you get ambushed. Tried it advanced server. Add fleeting time as last item for when your ss gets proc again and you have 8s immortal argus high damage fast cooldown
@@luciisladica7060 yeah sure sure, clearly argus is way better in advanced server where everyone is epic or below, with those players I bet it works. but in high ranked matches were I play is worse. 1. most people with brains run away when you use ult, in order to avoid being hit or hitting you because is pointless. that means the second phase on your ult most of the times in teamfights, don't even proc, which means your as good as dead, because once is over argus is vulnerable and easy kill. and not even mentioning this new argus is completely teamfight oriented supposedly but still has one of his greatest weakness, even if his 2nd phase ult is proc, a good cc chain left him completely useless in teamfights. 2. whats the point of the second phase if don't have ult for the next 60 seconds? you literally are one of the most ult dependent heroes of mlbb, so now you have to wait 60 seconds in which someone can kill you, or back down without doing anything. 3. his damage feels completely reduced now, because they add 20 base damage to his passive, but reduced 20% scaling damage. 20 damage is less than what jungle creeps deals you, completely useless in late game or mid game. 20% may seem low, but 20% on the héroe with the lowest base damage is a alot. he just doesn't deal enough damage now. and you tell me to buy fleeting time? loool you must be delusional. dead heroe, just that. he used to have some strengths in certain aspect of the game before, now he just isn't good at anything.
I have one thing to say, revamp argus is trash. And that's coming from a guy who mains argus as his second hero. First off, he's not even comparably good in a situation where his ult is on cd, and even with his ult, it's useless since you can't even chase enemies with high mobilitiy, the movement speed you get from his skill doesn't help at all because it's nerfed. You can't even clear minions easily since his skill 2 now have lower damage. And his unli warmonger passive is only good when the enemy STAYS STILL WHICH THEY DON'T SINCE IT'S MOBILITY META. In other words, he's dogsh-t in the early game, and in late-game, he's still kinda dogsh-t.
Plus you’re going to loose every fight you do in the early game to the point where it’s impossible get kill or win in your lane . Argus was already weak in the early game before the revamp but now he can’t even kill minions or destroy turrets without wasting time
@mrcatastrophe5986 Idk, I think I'm going to play a few classic matches to see how it goes . The dragon spear , windtalker and corrosion sythe could be good enough for argus
4:17 Sadly, the actual description of Dyrroth's passive (and also Gatotkaca's passive too) is still as deceptive as there's no exact calculation of the way their passive scaling for, and Moonton should optimize it
Even Franco 2nd skill doesn't have that exact numbers. They just say he deals around this percent of his max health as damage, yet doesn't specify the numbers itself
Honestly, I first thought that this buff was really good for Argus. Then I re-read the patch notes, reading along the lines of "balancing out his pushing and sustainability", something like that. Tried him out in classic and rank, only to realize his early game got horribly dogged on...
@@KiKichirou well assasin dyroth is not meta in glory or higher, just look at top tier global dyroth righ now, his immortal star is lower than lot of other top 1 global, man even change top global have frickin 500-600 star lmao
@@NightingaleRaven depends cause this season well was season of mm. I used assasin dyrroth to kill squishes and it worked just fine. I don't think that fighter emblem could kill atk speed mm at all, before he dies. But tank dyrroth might be the key to slove this.
4:42 did they forgot arlott had this healing and completely remove it cause its broken but they are adding it for dyroth can easily triggers better than old arlott, what are they thinking
Thing is, The HP-based healing on Arlott is what made him a broken FLEX pick on EXP and roam at that time Meanwhile the devs want to force Dyrroth players to quit with the full DMG build craze to fit with what EXP laners usually need currently in the assassin META: able to sustain heavy damage. The buff they gave to him also improved his lane clearing strength since he can now reduce the minion's physical defense
@alemansprototypeguybut its bad, you have to aim 2 skill and again 2 on the target, i smell hitting minions instead of actual target. Sometimes its a pain even now cause if you lock on target, it remains the same and if you wanna change target there is f bug all over again and 2 part will not find any target even if you have non marked hero and you wanna switch to them. So hell nah
Moonton never fails to disappoint when it comes to making balance changes that nobody asked for. I am a global argus and only play him. The changes made to skill 2 has completely ruined argus early to mid game(removed double malice energy). They also removed getting HP from Minions and creeps while ulting, removed gaining malice energy from attacking turrets (cannot push turrets effectively anymore) This is an overall huge nerf, I don't know why moonton says it's a buff. Not to mention the Ult CD goes from 36 seconds to 60 seconds (HUGE nerf). This turns argus into a horrible slowpaced character that barely does anything the whole game. Pre-nerf argus used to get 2X malice energy when using skill 2, which helped a lot in team fights, allowing him to get many more critical hits. On the other hand, The skill 2 giving argus 200 malice energy is completely useless in teamfights, and is basically one-time use.
Argus revemp is straight up trash. I tried him in the rank in glory three times. Super weak early, clearing minions, and creeps is slow af . And he relies on ult too much. His skills are delayed, so enemies can escape before he can use all of his skills.
Moonton says they buff argus for better early game, this is the opposite, he can't even sustain the lane, clear the minions in early game. He's unplayable now, requires no skill with auto activation ult. I think they nerfed him on purpose disguised as buff, he had decent wr lately, but all they had to do was increase s1 cd, reduce movement speed to include boots in his build.
I tried tank build dyroth this is my core items Thunderbelt Oracle My emblem is tank emblem with wilderness blessing and concussive blast With pure tank build dyroth doesn't even need spellvamp to get his health back. I use revitalize or vengeance (depends on enemy) and it worked just fine. You can kill squishes because of concussive blast, thunderbelt, and second skill and you are also hard to kill pretty good build in my opinion (still experimenting)
Dude I am so happy because his malic energy is now 10 for every crit he gets which is insane because now you could basically spam his passive with a critical build and with that 8 Seconds ultimate you could basically Escape anything and engage fights
@lianichizaki-OG I've been using him in mythic ranks and oof the damage on his second skill is actually detrimental I need no longer gives you life steal, but that 8 second ult can save us or allow you to take damage for your team
I falled deeper u know im now more weak in early Argus it's not me entire Argus main fanbase hate this idk why u like this we all actually tested this in training and custom hero early dominion
Tbh it feels more like a nerf since argus relies on his ult and the ult cd now is a WHOLE MINUTE, his participation in team fights will decrease by a lot
Just tried him, he lost his push potential, his heal is lower, his Skills deal less Dmg. If you go full Crit you'll literally lose to a Hylos or to Gatot. He's even worse than before.
For those who are having problem with Argus in early game laning currently..... wait till ur passive bar fills up then use 2nd skill on enemy and then u get 2 passive hits on them.... just poke and run
The new rose gold is pretty nice too. Tho mostly basic attack fighters can maximize the defense bonus. Roger can get max effect because he is fighter/marksman but other heroes that are something else first and only fighter second get only half effect like Gatot who his tank/fighter or suyou who is assassin/fighter.
It's not that great. I can only count a few BA Fighters that build alot of lifesteal (Not Spellvamp). Roger wouldn't get much from this new RGM unless he builds Haas Claw and DHS with it which would honestly suck. Spell Vamp should also be able to take effect on this item so other fighters can use it too.
They turned Rose Gold into a very niche item Not as niche as Wishing Lantern but it's still pretty niche. I understand if this item could affect marksman as well, but seeing this only affects fighters and only roughly 3-4 fighters benefit more from lifesteal, the utility of Rose Gold suddenly gets worse than Queen's Wings.
I know it's nothing to brag about but i have 1k matches on argus, he's my main hero and people are overhyping this buff too much. Sure he now hits harder and has more burst in the late game, but I'm really having a hard time on the early game unlike the previous version. Even with 3 items he still deals very little damage, unless you are facing an exp laner using assassin emblem. It feels like I'm always 2 level below my opponent with the same farm because of the lack of damage. But, i do like the 8 second immortality, it let's you tank and stay longer in teamfights unlike before. But the laning phase is really hard, especially in high rank all you can do is hope your team can dominate or hold till late game for you to shine
Yeah now that I think about it, majority of the heroes that received a buff in this patch are fighters. And the adjustment on the rose gold meteor is also aimed for fighters. Welp looks like next season is really gon' be a fighter meta🤷♀️
The movement speed and the duration of the 3rd skill makes the rework worth it, but the problem now is the cooldown...But with Great Dragon Spear, it's gonna be 45 seconds.....which only helps decrease for 5 seconds... And jungler Argus isnt an option now since his passive attacks doesn't gain malice from creeps or minions.
I haven't been playing for a while and thought Argus' Ult was only buffed by allowing it to activate upon death. Man, it was way more stronger than I expected, he is gonna be a menace late game. It's an immortality with a dash of Zilong's Ult.
When I commented about making Argus's ult flexible outside of defensive usage, I didn't mean it as making him SOLELY RELY on his ult to deal damage. They butchered his second skill. The curse only leaves curse trails that increases movement speed. You no longer gain additional malice points when attacking cursed enemy including creeps. This mechanic are solely for the new ult. Which isn't a problem if it wasn't for the duration only lasting 4 SECONDS. Unless you mark enemy with ult, your meteoric sword has no function as the curse does not give additional malice. Even the damage is pathetic both on heroes and minion.
@@nanarb4733 Back then, I was under the assumption of hitting cursed enemy still gives malice points. I didn't expect moonturd to remove it in exchange for that 4 second pathetic ult buff. I am also Argus main, that's why I noticed the underwhelming power. One of the few ways to fix this is to either revert the change, reintroduced the malice bonus on cursed target, or increase duration of ult.
The worst thing they done in argus is reducing his movement speed bonus by half and bonus malice energy when striking marked enemy... Yes now got good concept full energy and 2nd skill on opponent will stack your passive but 2 warmonger aren't enough.. Especially when you can't gain ME from turrets... And minion don't give much.. Don't let ne get started on creeps.. I usually take the exp crab and 2nd skill made the farming faster due to fast ME charge..
Zilong with Custom MM emblem , combine with HC + new RGM is absolute beast , and his passive have buff increase HP regen, damage is there and can sustain a little bit. Overall the update for him is good :)
the only down side on argus revamp is that he no longer gains lifetseal when hitting minions or side creep during ult face enemies will just flee the second they see the ult
Argus power during laning phase is significantly weaker and his ability to split push is nerfed to the ground. Sacrificing everything for a niche ult, i don't know if this is worth it
I wish Argus' ult will trigger before you die when you're unable to click it fast enough. Edit: Ok i tried Argus, and the damage is weaker. No more extra damage on towers when bar is full and it's way harder to kill stuff quicker than before. I'm even struggling to kill a jungle mob with two items. But the second stage of the ult saved me a lot, one time they unload all stuns+ultimates on me and i still able to escape. The CD for the ult is longer but i did not really notice much. Still, i used to kill stuff way faster before
Argus is dead hero now It's mentioned earlier potential increase now after me trying to compare with all exp Argus genuinely lost against all exp hero in lvl 1 1v1 seriously I did that with my friend in custom
Cici needs her first skill to be buff.. so instead of 3.3 (+0) on max health, it should be 4.5 or 5.0 (+110) that way she could fend off against decent heroes more easier
I think the buffed heroes that potentially join the meta are Argus as a gold laner since malefic gun is nerfed and he is kinda hard to kill and annoying too, and tank dyroth to counter most tanky exp laner but the others i'm not sure
@@Marfisme no, just no. He sucks, I just tried, 1k match here, can't clear lane, can't split push, can't kill tanky hero, can't chase, and Ult CD is 1 minute now
@@nanarb4733I mean, because he's sucks early in exp, would playing in gold be more effective tho? I haven't tried the new Argus, but even if he's bad, would he be a monster in late game?
@hadim_mc nope. Argus before thus revemp has better early but revenped argus is straight up trash. I tried him in the rank in glory three times. I don't feel like I'm even dealing damage.
@@hadim_mc Not even close. If you put Argus in Gold Lane, he's gonna be the worst Gold Laner. Why? Because most of the marksmen are very mobile and can poke Argus from very far early. In short, it's a bad idea.
Here is it... If u activate the ulti but the enemy didnt damage you to the point that u can die without ulti... The cooldown reduce by 50%. Pretty much compesate for u wasting your ulti for no reason
I feel like great dragon spear is now a must item for argus due to his longer ult cd idk
You mean to chase enemies faster during his ultimate? Yeah!
Been playing him since the update and yeah he do need some CD reduction. His ult if triggered have 1 minute CD on lvl 1 ult
@@alyasVictorio that too but mainly because his ult has a really long cd now compared to before
Im currently experimenting with fleeting time
Yeah,now i have to activate the ult sooner so it wont trigger his 2nd passive so that his ult will stay 25 second
The things I dont like about the Argus changes is that he can no longer gain hp while attacking minions and jg creeps in ult and he no longer gains malice energy while attacking turrets which makes his split pushing slower, I also dont like the fact that they made him ult reliant again and the only time u can use the multi slash passive is when the enemy team is dumb enough to still attack you in ult phase or theyre using tanky heroes.
His damage in the early laning is completely non-existent too. Can't even one-shot smaller minions with 2nd skill anymore.
@@fm_0523They absolutely demolished his damage and early sustainability, this is a complete nerf in my opinion.
Yep, i tried played him in rank and i just okay, his late game was monster but what? The early game is weak af
Edit: my bad, late game was not even monster, he can't kill tanky heroes that fast again like before the buff or revamp idk
Feels like he's even more reliant on crit items than before
@@chaoticfisherman373 No xDDD. he is even weak with crit items. I return back to old good trinity build.
This patch is BasicallY MUNTun saying: No more split pusher, All heroes must war!😊
i like that
Brawl META moment
@@basedneutral1173 Except constant clashes don't let you win
Objective Focus does.
Might as well remove base and make the game like a kof, team with most kills win, nonsense.
@@leonmystique9372 Literally why you need to balance out Brawl META with objectives
And that's what TLID reaped after ignoring Kelra shooting explosive arrows on their base especially on M6 grand finals
1:14 to anyone who believes this is an Argus buff I’ve got one thing to say to you. Wisdom is chasing but you are faster my friend. Try him out in ranked bro high rank matches his early game damage is non existent and once ur ult is on cd it’s 1 MINUTE. Continuous ganks to your lane from your enemy can shut you down for the entire game. And you can barely split push now even
Somehow opposite to me
Depends on the enemy comp and how you use him honestly
@@Dblackdude in late game he's more good than previous but the problem is you always need to proc ult when engaging.
the only problem is his early game game got nerf so hard make him hard to farm as exp laner because his previous 2nd skill can make him proc his passive proc 3 time if combine with inspire. now his early is like his old version (hook, poke and run)*repeat.
Yes I agree
@@shiroukazuki6325its soo trash bacially lile a marksmannn
Cici finally getting noticed for her countering tanky fighters
Buff is still not enough, she needs more damage to sustain in team fights, she gets bursted down easily to death even with 2 def items, unlike Yu Zhong
She can Finally use Thunder belt without restrictions
I hooe the update does her good. I like using her, she is one of my fave EXP laner alongside Guin.
Looks like moneyton had the fake argus mains caught in their [mind control] because no way they can't see the downsides of the recent changes.
They disguised this "buff for atk spd fighters" as a good thing but in reality they just made them deal with squishies a little quirky, while they struggle more when they're up against any sustain or tanky hero despite acquiring necessary counter items.
It's more worse if you think about it since basic atk fighters heavily rely on items, switching a couple items might not sound that bad just to counter build but that also means you're indirectly hurting your overall damage. They don't even have that much base atk stats to begin with.
True Argus mains will find his "buff" a shit throwed by moontom at them. They somehow made his early game WORSE wich is important because it is nearly impossible to recover once you get bullied early game.
LOL TRUE! I tested him out and I just couldn't help but laugh at how his early damage and sustain was gone. In this current meta, how the hell can he keep up with fighters with lots and lots of sustain? His ulit is only reliable at late game. So how should we play him? I think when using Argus, we should use him in a lane that doesn't exit anywhere in the map so we could farm peacefully lmao.
you guys connot adapt
So Argus getting the Masha/Nata treatment now? Changing the hero so much that it doesn't even feel like the same hero.
1:14 - 2:35 this hero is not a "nightmare" hes a complete joke, they nerfed the sht out of him
- passive give less healing (200 to 150 somehow they manage to make his early game worse)
- losses extra passive malice energy (ult used to give extra energy 4-8 per sec. now hes stuck with 5 per sec.)
- no longer generates malice energy on turrets (splitpushing got nerfed)
- skill 2 base damage got nerfed to sht (used to be 300 - 400. now its 120 - 240 looool his splitpushing got nerfed again)
- no longer charges malice energy on minions (splitpushing got nerfed once again lmaaaaaao)
- cursed trail mov. spd. got nerfed (40% to 20% so his chasing capability got nerfed)
- ult has much longer cooldown (36-30 to 60-50 wtf moonton)
they manage to make him even worse just... wow...
Meanwhile they buffed Dyrroth's passive to make it scale on his max hp so you can just build full tank and his passive would heal him more
and Cici's basic attack ranged is now identical to her skill 1 range so she can now constantly poke you from a distance
Definitely no bias against basic attack fighters...
YES finally as someone who already experimented on rank and actually got Bronze with 0/3/1 KDA. HE sucks big time now. Muntun just wanna nerf him because his Winrate is like 2nd highest these past 30 days.
@@nanarb4733 yeah and he became a gold line hero
@@temuulenbaldorj1900 no more my friend, no more, he'll go to pits of hell together with baxia of unwanted heroes now ,because of this patch
Hell nah for dyrroth its a nerf. Who the runs him with fighter emblem, the expections him vs argus, thamuz, phovenius, getakoca, aulus terizla etc. Which is maybe 1 on 5 ranked games. Rest is asassin build and now with this new passive he gains less heal with asassin emblem cause its not scaling with atk given to enemies anymore.
Bro, i'm breaking myself cause trying full crit build. I don't know anymore wtf is build argus he now is the worst fighter in the game. And that build is what makes this adjustment crazy but again this is not recommended cause you need to reach full item to reach the powerspike. I use 5 windtalker and yeah it keep spinning whenever you got ult.
Damn, i just wanted a lil bit buff on argus like cd buff or little attribute buff yet they still find way to mess up the good ulti. The heal after his ulti is almost messed up esp when the enemy is only running around.
I think Zilong will be good at this point, after all I spam Zilong on Adv Server and enemies spam Zilong all the time. He doesn't even need Malefic Roar to be scary, nor does he need Windtalker. Attack Speed Nerf is nothing, just nullify it with Rose Gold Meteor.
As someone who just used Zilong on Original Server, this didn't affect Zilong at all.
He's still the same, just with slight damage bonus.
I have 3k games on argus, no, this update sucks for him as hell.
Yep, 1k here, No more split pushing, clearing lane so hard, and to Regen with ult you need to hit heroes. So fuck argus user who needs creeps or hitting lord to Regen with ult
He's basically useless against Sun because sun's clone will not give him HP if attacked during ult
@nanarb4733 seriously? Thats sucks.
@@X-tR3j yes His ult will only Regen HP if you specifically hit the Heroes not the clone, So if you meet Popol or Zhask, or tanky heroes that you can't deal damage to? then Rest in peace Good bye just uninstall and review bomb moontoon at this point
@@nanarb4733 omg. Thats biggest bullshit in this game bro. Argus is even wrose than i tought after this...
Argus now feel 10 times worse than it was before, what a fk disaster of update to us argus mains
Agree
Disagree. Although 2nd skill is weaker also passive. His ultimate has better usage. You can use it now to hunt enemies while having lower cd and now having a 2nd phase exchange for cd that allows to survive longer if within 4 second mark. Also ambushing is a lot easier and faster because you can stack passive and have another as soon as you use 2nd skill. Crit build is better and with the upcoming addition with rose gold you get free armor and better use of ss in situations you get ambushed. Tried it advanced server. Add fleeting time as last item for when your ss gets proc again and you have 8s immortal argus high damage fast cooldown
@@luciisladica7060 yeah sure sure, clearly argus is way better in advanced server where everyone is epic or below, with those players I bet it works. but in high ranked matches were I play is worse.
1. most people with brains run away when you use ult, in order to avoid being hit or hitting you because is pointless. that means the second phase on your ult most of the times in teamfights, don't even proc, which means your as good as dead, because once is over argus is vulnerable and easy kill. and not even mentioning this new argus is completely teamfight oriented supposedly but still has one of his greatest weakness, even if his 2nd phase ult is proc, a good cc chain left him completely useless in teamfights.
2. whats the point of the second phase if don't have ult for the next 60 seconds? you literally are one of the most ult dependent heroes of mlbb, so now you have to wait 60 seconds in which someone can kill you, or back down without doing anything.
3. his damage feels completely reduced now, because they add 20 base damage to his passive, but reduced 20% scaling damage. 20 damage is less than what jungle creeps deals you, completely useless in late game or mid game. 20% may seem low, but 20% on the héroe with the lowest base damage is a alot. he just doesn't deal enough damage now. and you tell me to buy fleeting time? loool you must be delusional.
dead heroe, just that. he used to have some strengths in certain aspect of the game before, now he just isn't good at anything.
I have one thing to say, revamp argus is trash. And that's coming from a guy who mains argus as his second hero. First off, he's not even comparably good in a situation where his ult is on cd, and even with his ult, it's useless since you can't even chase enemies with high mobilitiy, the movement speed you get from his skill doesn't help at all because it's nerfed. You can't even clear minions easily since his skill 2 now have lower damage. And his unli warmonger passive is only good when the enemy STAYS STILL WHICH THEY DON'T SINCE IT'S MOBILITY META. In other words, he's dogsh-t in the early game, and in late-game, he's still kinda dogsh-t.
Plus you’re going to loose every fight you do in the early game to the point where it’s impossible get kill or win in your lane .
Argus was already weak in the early game before the revamp but now he can’t even kill minions or destroy turrets without wasting time
@@mr.lucky56 I do suggest going for sprint instead
@@mr.lucky56 After testing out sprint, it works better with his ult since you can already spam your passive
Yes, clear lane HARD, split push HARD, farming even HARDER, killing enemies basically Impossible if they run and you need item to dmg them
@mrcatastrophe5986 Idk, I think I'm going to play a few classic matches to see how it goes .
The dragon spear , windtalker and corrosion sythe could be good enough for argus
4:27
You could always do that even with the smaller creeps
Agree. Maybe with the update, you can now use it against minions? I'm not sure.
@hskdjh421 yea I just checked, you can defense reduce summoned units and minions now
The extra frame on alu first skill is not worth 1 second cd reduction...no more 1st plus passive smooth attack
fr bro
Heroes never fade❤
Bruh this argus suck af, i want them to revert it back,and sun good af,zilong good af, that's it all 😊
I feel you bruh, they LIED to US, he's suck!
1:53
BRUTAL SLASH MALICE ENERGY...MM AND MAGE ADIOS 🥰
Not all mm and mages are helpless against him. Examples are Valir, Lunox, Lylia, Melissa, P&K, etc. Even Mathilda can solo him.
@@hskdjh421 EVEN MATHILDA CAN SOLO HIM? THAT AINT GLAZING, THAT'S PEAK D RIDING
been spamming argus
he’s worse now, i don’t give a single f about that 8 second ultimate, HIS DAMAGE IS SO BAD
and don't forget 1min cooldown after that
tf u mean bad?
@@basedneutral1173 it sucks
I got kda 16/3/10 by using argus on mythic rank
@@Myticalcattnip I tried him three times in glory . He was very useless.
Argus-Throughout epic and legend, I alone am the honoured one.And now mytic also.
4:17 Sadly, the actual description of Dyrroth's passive (and also Gatotkaca's passive too) is still as deceptive as there's no exact calculation of the way their passive scaling for, and Moonton should optimize it
Even Franco 2nd skill doesn't have that exact numbers. They just say he deals around this percent of his max health as damage, yet doesn't specify the numbers itself
@@Badget007i think that around 10% maxhp if you use crit from berserk that basically sky piercer 😂
@@Badget007so does with zhask 1st skill
@@Myticalcattnip Franco's 2nd skill no longer crits
It's the most Epic update ever!
Worst update for argus mains 😢
Honestly, I first thought that this buff was really good for Argus. Then I re-read the patch notes, reading along the lines of "balancing out his pushing and sustainability", something like that. Tried him out in classic and rank, only to realize his early game got horribly dogged on...
Tank/Fighter dyrroth would probably be popular again I think
They nerf assasin build dyrroth so bad. 😂
I rather choose tank dyroth so better survive those 3 people ganker bastard at my exp lane
@@KiKichirou well assasin dyroth is not meta in glory or higher, just look at top tier global dyroth righ now, his immortal star is lower than lot of other top 1 global, man even change top global have frickin 500-600 star lmao
It's been a long time since I play Wings of Apocalypse Dyroth.
@@NightingaleRaven depends cause this season well was season of mm. I used assasin dyrroth to kill squishes and it worked just fine. I don't think that fighter emblem could kill atk speed mm at all, before he dies. But tank dyrroth might be the key to slove this.
4:42 did they forgot arlott had this healing and completely remove it cause its broken but they are adding it for dyroth can easily triggers better than old arlott, what are they thinking
Thing is,
The HP-based healing on Arlott is what made him a broken FLEX pick on EXP and roam at that time
Meanwhile the devs want to force Dyrroth players to quit with the full DMG build craze to fit with what EXP laners usually need currently in the assassin META: able to sustain heavy damage. The buff they gave to him also improved his lane clearing strength since he can now reduce the minion's physical defense
I cant wait to play dyroth roam with a minsi build bwhahahah
@alemansprototypeguybut its bad, you have to aim 2 skill and again 2 on the target, i smell hitting minions instead of actual target. Sometimes its a pain even now cause if you lock on target, it remains the same and if you wanna change target there is f bug all over again and 2 part will not find any target even if you have non marked hero and you wanna switch to them. So hell nah
Moonton never fails to disappoint when it comes to making balance changes that nobody asked for. I am a global argus and only play him. The changes made to skill 2 has completely ruined argus early to mid game(removed double malice energy). They also removed getting HP from Minions and creeps while ulting, removed gaining malice energy from attacking turrets (cannot push turrets effectively anymore) This is an overall huge nerf, I don't know why moonton says it's a buff. Not to mention the Ult CD goes from 36 seconds to 60 seconds (HUGE nerf). This turns argus into a horrible slowpaced character that barely does anything the whole game.
Pre-nerf argus used to get 2X malice energy when using skill 2, which helped a lot in team fights, allowing him to get many more critical hits. On the other hand, The skill 2 giving argus 200 malice energy is completely useless in teamfights, and is basically one-time use.
@@abcdefgasdfg learn a digg5 hero then
how are you hororo chan I always support you🤗🤗
Argus revemp is straight up trash. I tried him in the rank in glory three times. Super weak early, clearing minions, and creeps is slow af . And he relies on ult too much. His skills are delayed, so enemies can escape before he can use all of his skills.
Moonton says they buff argus for better early game, this is the opposite, he can't even sustain the lane, clear the minions in early game. He's unplayable now, requires no skill with auto activation ult. I think they nerfed him on purpose disguised as buff, he had decent wr lately, but all they had to do was increase s1 cd, reduce movement speed to include boots in his build.
1 minute ult is a damn joke for a hero that lays on ult.
@@X-tR3jexactly my friend
no wonder the Badang I just fought had crazy stun locks
I could barely move
I tried tank build dyroth this is my core items
Thunderbelt
Oracle
My emblem is tank emblem with wilderness blessing and concussive blast
With pure tank build dyroth doesn't even need spellvamp to get his health back. I use revitalize or vengeance (depends on enemy) and it worked just fine. You can kill squishes because of concussive blast, thunderbelt, and second skill and you are also hard to kill pretty good build in my opinion (still experimenting)
Dude I am so happy because his malic energy is now 10 for every crit he gets which is insane because now you could basically spam his passive with a critical build and with that 8 Seconds ultimate you could basically Escape anything and engage fights
uhm...Hate to ruin it for you but he lost his ability to push and his ult got a huge cd nerf
@lianichizaki-OG I've been using him in mythic ranks and oof the damage on his second skill is actually detrimental I need no longer gives you life steal, but that 8 second ult can save us or allow you to take damage for your team
Honestly
I just had a 7 win streak using argus
He's amazing
I got no complaints
Hororo:Argus is coming your way
Argus main: IT'S BANGING TIME
RAAAAHHHHH OUR TIME HAS COME ARGUS MAINS!!! WE MIGHT BE FALLEN IN HEAVEN BUT NEVER IN BATTLE!!!!!
I falled deeper u know im now more weak in early Argus it's not me entire Argus main fanbase hate this idk why u like this we all actually tested this in training and custom hero early dominion
Tbh it feels more like a nerf since argus relies on his ult and the ult cd now is a WHOLE MINUTE, his participation in team fights will decrease by a lot
ARGUS MAINS STAND UPPPPPPP!!!!!!! OUR TIME IS HERE!
Ohh god argus glazers will become more ignorant after this
We are going to bang.
Just tried him, he lost his push potential, his heal is lower, his Skills deal less Dmg. If you go full Crit you'll literally lose to a Hylos or to Gatot. He's even worse than before.
Time to push turrets the whole game? Ok
@@GigaChadicusMaximus exactly.
4:20 you could always use second skill on turtle and lord it was the summoned lord in the lane you couldn't use before
For those who are having problem with Argus in early game laning currently..... wait till ur passive bar fills up then use 2nd skill on enemy and then u get 2 passive hits on them.... just poke and run
Thats not helping. Argus is trash now.
not gonna work, enemy will snowball you and when 2 enhance basic atks are done it's over compared to the old one.
Not working....
No seriously it's not working the enemy is not that dumb like seriously u think enemy will just watch not possible
There are so many items in the game that are really good to use together but not enough item slots for them to synergize
DAYUMNNNNN
The new rose gold is pretty nice too. Tho mostly basic attack fighters can maximize the defense bonus. Roger can get max effect because he is fighter/marksman but other heroes that are something else first and only fighter second get only half effect like Gatot who his tank/fighter or suyou who is assassin/fighter.
It was good for julian but he sacrifice one mage item for only good at team war
Julian alu
It's not that great. I can only count a few BA Fighters that build alot of lifesteal (Not Spellvamp). Roger wouldn't get much from this new RGM unless he builds Haas Claw and DHS with it which would honestly suck. Spell Vamp should also be able to take effect on this item so other fighters can use it too.
They turned Rose Gold into a very niche item
Not as niche as Wishing Lantern but it's still pretty niche.
I understand if this item could affect marksman as well, but seeing this only affects fighters and only roughly 3-4 fighters benefit more from lifesteal, the utility of Rose Gold suddenly gets worse than Queen's Wings.
Indeed but laughs as alu main,TB, rose gold and queens wing ultimate tanky combo on him @@leonmystique9372
Mm : extremely OP
Fighter : OP
Assasin : OP
Tank : Meh
Mages : death below 11.4 ft the ground
BANG THE ENEMIES!!!!🔥🔥🔥
I know it's nothing to brag about but i have 1k matches on argus, he's my main hero and people are overhyping this buff too much. Sure he now hits harder and has more burst in the late game, but I'm really having a hard time on the early game unlike the previous version. Even with 3 items he still deals very little damage, unless you are facing an exp laner using assassin emblem. It feels like I'm always 2 level below my opponent with the same farm because of the lack of damage. But, i do like the 8 second immortality, it let's you tank and stay longer in teamfights unlike before. But the laning phase is really hard, especially in high rank all you can do is hope your team can dominate or hold till late game for you to shine
Yeah now that I think about it, majority of the heroes that received a buff in this patch are fighters. And the adjustment on the rose gold meteor is also aimed for fighters. Welp looks like next season is really gon' be a fighter meta🤷♀️
Loving Zilong buff
dominance ice could be a must
it is a must against rose gold meteor
The movement speed and the duration of the 3rd skill makes the rework worth it, but the problem now is the cooldown...But with Great Dragon Spear, it's gonna be 45 seconds.....which only helps decrease for 5 seconds...
And jungler Argus isnt an option now since his passive attacks doesn't gain malice from creeps or minions.
I haven't been playing for a while and thought Argus' Ult was only buffed by allowing it to activate upon death. Man, it was way more stronger than I expected, he is gonna be a menace late game. It's an immortality with a dash of Zilong's Ult.
I smell argus revamp TikTok edits from a mile away
Argus gold return is real guys
And Dyrroth buff is going to make him more potent on assassin META
Assasin? Not with this new passive if you compare heal with assasin build now and in advanced it is less heal from new passive that it was before.
Dyrroth with war axe + oracle is a menace
Don't be scared Seiya, Argus cannot bang bang the enemy if you are fast enough to run away
When I commented about making Argus's ult flexible outside of defensive usage, I didn't mean it as making him SOLELY RELY on his ult to deal damage. They butchered his second skill. The curse only leaves curse trails that increases movement speed. You no longer gain additional malice points when attacking cursed enemy including creeps. This mechanic are solely for the new ult. Which isn't a problem if it wasn't for the duration only lasting 4 SECONDS. Unless you mark enemy with ult, your meteoric sword has no function as the curse does not give additional malice. Even the damage is pathetic both on heroes and minion.
@@ranaoblivious2122 look what have you done to us man... Every Argus main is crying now, and you better be careful what you wish for next time..
@@nanarb4733 Back then, I was under the assumption of hitting cursed enemy still gives malice points. I didn't expect moonturd to remove it in exchange for that 4 second pathetic ult buff. I am also Argus main, that's why I noticed the underwhelming power.
One of the few ways to fix this is to either revert the change, reintroduced the malice bonus on cursed target, or increase duration of ult.
I love this new patch
"Cooy that sending the nerf bomb over"
The worst thing they done in argus is reducing his movement speed bonus by half and bonus malice energy when striking marked enemy... Yes now got good concept full energy and 2nd skill on opponent will stack your passive but 2 warmonger aren't enough.. Especially when you can't gain ME from turrets... And minion don't give much.. Don't let ne get started on creeps.. I usually take the exp crab and 2nd skill made the farming faster due to fast ME charge..
Zilong with Custom MM emblem , combine with HC + new RGM is absolute beast , and his passive have buff increase HP regen, damage is there and can sustain a little bit. Overall the update for him is good :)
We need old Argus back. He was fine the way he was. All they did was nerf him in disguise.
finally, something skill that made argus bonus movement, so the enemy will never escape, this made most main argus will never use boots anymore.......
the only down side on argus revamp is that he no longer gains lifetseal when hitting minions or side creep during ult face enemies will just flee the second they see the ult
Fighter meta, meanwhile Silvanna waiting for her cc immunity: 👁️👄👁️
Argus power during laning phase is significantly weaker and his ability to split push is nerfed to the ground. Sacrificing everything for a niche ult, i don't know if this is worth it
Developers think that enemies will just stand when argus is there stupid developers
May god help us
Where is the new lane matchmaking feature?
He never left my Ban List. I wouldn't let him roam around 'cause I still don't know if Vengeance can still survive an 8-second ult.
gold argus is terrifying. He can make miya cry
JUNGLE WILL BE DOMINATED BY FIGHTERS RN
I smell Bene, Balmond and Paquito returning to the jungle META to compete with Suyou, Alpha, Fred, Bane, Guin and Julian....
I wish Argus' ult will trigger before you die when you're unable to click it fast enough.
Edit: Ok i tried Argus, and the damage is weaker. No more extra damage on towers when bar is full and it's way harder to kill stuff quicker than before. I'm even struggling to kill a jungle mob with two items. But the second stage of the ult saved me a lot, one time they unload all stuns+ultimates on me and i still able to escape. The CD for the ult is longer but i did not really notice much. Still, i used to kill stuff way faster before
But it's supposed to be early adjustment buff wtf he got late game adjustment still damage is less bcz it's clearly mentioned by 20%
Yz need a small buff 💪🏻
So tell me hororo chan. is it time for CDR build argus?
Argus is dead hero now
It's mentioned earlier potential increase now after me trying to compare with all exp Argus genuinely lost against all exp hero in lvl 1 1v1 seriously I did that with my friend in custom
that buff argus is a disguisd nerf
Cici needs her first skill to be buff.. so instead of 3.3 (+0) on max health, it should be 4.5 or 5.0 (+110) that way she could fend off against decent heroes more easier
Lord Argus user auto put some big smile
The rise of the atk speed fighters
While me doing badang roam tank
Badang feels like Badang again, specially when pinning heavies at the wall HAHAHA
Is Argus Sprint back?
Karrie buff is amazing as well
Man hope one day they made ff7 colab for argus as shefiroy
Zi long seeing agrus be like: is this, the power of a God!?!?!
FIGHTER MAINS! RISE UPP!!!
dont mind me, waiting for a yz buff
Is this new update a fighter era now?
Joy,Zhuxin,Hilda is escaped the nerf
finally after so many years in this game argus will be an ok pick
fighters never out of meta
Tank dyroth 😂😂
Dyrroth getting alucars treatment
YES, MY FELLOW BADANG MAINS WE FINALLY GOT BUFFED INSTEAD OF NERFED NOW LET US DASH ON TO VICTORY !!!!
Alu buff i wonder when
Tips: if enemy pick zilong , you can use balmond as counter with dominance ice
I think the buffed heroes that potentially join the meta are Argus as a gold laner since malefic gun is nerfed and he is kinda hard to kill and annoying too, and tank dyroth to counter most tanky exp laner but the others i'm not sure
@@Marfisme no, just no. He sucks, I just tried, 1k match here, can't clear lane, can't split push, can't kill tanky hero, can't chase, and Ult CD is 1 minute now
@@nanarb4733 skill issue
@@nanarb4733I mean, because he's sucks early in exp, would playing in gold be more effective tho?
I haven't tried the new Argus, but even if he's bad, would he be a monster in late game?
@hadim_mc nope. Argus before thus revemp has better early but revenped argus is straight up trash. I tried him in the rank in glory three times. I don't feel like I'm even dealing damage.
@@hadim_mc Not even close. If you put Argus in Gold Lane, he's gonna be the worst Gold Laner.
Why? Because most of the marksmen are very mobile and can poke Argus from very far early.
In short, it's a bad idea.
Can someone please explain to me argus ult activation i didn't understand anything
Here is it... If u activate the ulti but the enemy didnt damage you to the point that u can die without ulti... The cooldown reduce by 50%. Pretty much compesate for u wasting your ulti for no reason
Also during ulti u get faster passive stack
@@oussamakara4080 he sucks anyway, don't need to learn it, He's practically useless against sun
@@kusanarakeoto325 don't forget that juicy 1min cooldown on his ult
So now Argus is coming with Nana and Aurora now
We're cooked 😭😭
the nightmare update is real guys, a nightmare for my fellow argus mains! :'D
WHAT DID THEY DO TO ARGUS THIS SUCKS IM ENTIRELY RELIANT ON MY ULT NOW FOR MY PASSIVE??? THIS IS GONNA SLOW DOWN FARMING SO MUCH
Oh Nahh. Enemies are going to hate seeing me 😂
(I'm am Argus main)
Checkout Gatotkaca revamped skin.. so cool ❤❤❤