I can always count on the commander's quarters to build a budget deck when I just opened a commander. Now for the hard part. Finding the cards at my lgs.
Pili-Pala has summoning sickness. Untap cost symbol is still an activated ability. This doesn't work unless you wait a turn, with all your tools on the board, open to hate. Also, you'd need a spell in hand next turn. It would work, with a haste equipment (Lightning Greaves, Swiftfoot Boots, etc.).
The deck is amazing, i didnt think we could build such a resilient and strong vesion of this deck for so cheap, you sir are amazing, and this is the best edh channel
First of all, Love the channel built this deck with a couple upgrades and had a blast putting it together. but I am also absolutely livid right now because I tried playing the deck and realized you got an important detail about the infinite mana combo WRONG. It doesn’t work “right away”. The pili-pala suffers from summoning sickness the turn it comes in and cannot use its activated ability. It can use grand architect’s ability just fine but unless the Mtg wiki is wrong about The untap symbol rulings I’m afraid the combo doesn’t work as desired. You need a way to give it haste. I will say I am NOT a judge and if anybody is and can say for certain that I’m wrong then YAY! Combo still works. My source was just looking up the untap symbols rulings on Mtg wiki
Birthing Pod is one of my favourite cards, I wanted to build Vannifar but I was worried it would be very expensive, so this is perfect! Thank you so much, great deck :)
Man literally just discovered your channel, and you make terrific content! Prime Speaker Vannifar in particular has me laughing while watching at how silly and fun this combo is. Thanks for content that is fun/engaging/educational/well edited!
Did I miss something where we were able to give Pili-Pala Haste? Because unless it has Haste you can’t use its untap ability the same turn it came into play
I just realized you are about to hit 40K... Holy moly... Its only been no more than 6 months... Great work Mitch, anything planned for 50K sub special? Because I think it is coming in the next couple of weeks, at most.
HEY COMMANDER QUARTERS!!!! Thanks for the brew and thanks especially to you and the other awesome content creators I am gunna try to have multiple lines of play to combo off I am breaking the bank just a tad but with your help you make it alot easier cause with my plan I plan to have 5-6 different lines depending on situations and such. But Ill obviously try to with with your way first cause thanks to you I was able to budget this deck so i can prove to my buddy how nuts she is lol.
I pulled this gal from the pre-release and wow man this deck looks sick! Gonna use your list for sure! Thanks for all the hard work you put in these deck techs.
Ya'll don't seem to know, pili-pala can't 'untap' to make colored mana while summoning sick. The infinite mana combo needs either haste, boots, or you need to wait till next turn to go off. Lol imagine not know about an old michanic from a set you might have never played.
That's a sweet deck! One suggestion, though: How about adding a scale for the power of the deck? I imagine this deck being way stronger than let's say Rakdos from this week. Obviously, the power of a deck depends on the meta, but a rough estimate would be nice... perhaps a four point scale? (strenght in quarters...) Can't wait for close quarters...
I went to my first mtg tournament ever recently and I got whooped so fast by an infinite combo that my head spun. I am now going to make this deck to spin their head.
i dont think the infinite mana combo works like that, well at least not the same turn you get pilli pallar. correct me if i am wrong but i think its the same ruling with untap symbols as it is with tap symbols considering summoning sickness
Note: Pili-Pala needs haste that you can use it right away. And how you go from Protean Hulk to Tidespout without an untap ability? Nobody would ever pass the turn back to you with Vannifar and Hulk :D
@@sebastianalancliffordthomp4114 seems like an important interaction to gloss over in the video but yeah, unfortunately the untap ability can't be used until summoning sickness is gone/creature gets haste. Swiftfoot boots and lightning greaves seem like a great solution.
Needs progenitor mimic. Use it on anything that has a trigger when played and you can just keep going up. Gargos, vicious watcher and mesmerizing benthid paired with the mimic are a great combo that can make you a serious threat by turn 6.
TheShineri3 You don’t need haste if another card is causing the tap. E.g. any Convoke cards. Vannifar would need haste if you wanted to combo fully on the turn they get played.
I want to thank you for making this deck design. I am ordering some of the cards up. I did do a little mods to the deck. I do hope you can get a sponsor from cardkingdom sooner or later. I don't really order cards from tcg unless the cards are over $20. When you do get that sponsor, you can make deck list on tap out witch gives your fans the choice to choose from tcg or cardkingdom and you can link your video on tap out so it could get you more fans.
so Pili-Pala... it comes in with summoning sickness doesn't it? so i can tap it with Grand Architect sure but i can't untap Pili-Pala and use it right?
As much as I wanted to build this on a budget... My LGS refuses to see budget decks as good and only "lucky." So I'm building it to be a top deck there. Rip wallet
Price and rarity does not equate to power. A well built deck can still be oppressive even if it doesn't cost much to build. ...That and most of the budget from commander decks are in optimized landbases... Which definitely helps with consistency, but it's not like the landbase is always super core to the win conditions of the deck.
@Mike W I played the budget version of Jhoira last week and did really well. Curious what your upgrades were, as I'd like to eventually optimize this deck
This is really cool, but what happens if one of your combo pieces is in your hand, preventing you from continuing the chain? You'd have to cast it from your hand with the normal mana cost then, right?
When you get to protean hulk you need a sack outlet. Vannifar will be tapped at this point and you need to happen to have a way to sac hulk or untap vannifar
YES! Now, I have a cheap and fulfilling use of getting this commander from prerelease! So so so much better than being in just the 99 of Surrak Dragonclaw lol.
I know this is late, but at this point would you replace shrieking drake with or add spectral sailor? Since the shrieking drake isn’t integral to the infinite mana engine itself, the sailor would just funnel the mana into card draw which can draw you whatever other combo pieces you want right?
Great deck! only problem is that the combo kinda stops after protean hulk bc in order for you to search for those creatures with the protean hulk, you need it to die and in order for it to die, you need to tap vannifar, but the problem is that shes tapped.. so help me out..
I've been using the Protean Hulk to get Grand Architect, Pili-pala and Quirion Ranger, into a Lore Weaver kill. You'll need a forest in play. Find a way to sacrifice or kill PHulk. to get the pieces out. Make infinite blue mana, and then using Quirion Ranger, return the forest to untap Vannifar. Pod Grand Architect into Lore Weaver and make them draw their deck. I feel like it's so much cleaner than Tidespout Tyrant/Witsniper/Drake.
I think the bottle is enormous, just like the giant itself. Tough to tell from the art, but I think the idea is that the bottle is bigger than any human. A straw wouldn’t help much there.
This is a weird interaction. If something says [tap an untapped _ you control], you can tap something the turn it comes into play. Summoning sickness is for attacking and the tap symbol.
However I really do love the deck, you did forget to mention the infinite mana combo doesn't work the turn it hits the battlefield as pili-pala's untap ability requires it not to have summoning sickness.
You missed a win con. After bouncing all their things with shrieking drake, if u have a way to give haste on field ( boots, cloak or ring) you bounce prime speaker with drake, play speaker, give haste, sac grand architect for the 4 drop draw a card creature u have. Draw your deck play the creature that makes them draw their deck and win that way.
You should try and make a decent budget slivers deck. I typically run slivers and the store in my local area does $30 commander where commander doesn’t add costs, the only downside is my only deck I play is way out of that price range
How can you use Pili-Pala without giving it haste?, rule 306.2 states you can tap or untap creatures unless they were in play at the start of the current turn
Can be done in a couple of ways that I should have detailed out in the video. So you have some spells that can untap her, a creature like Kiora’s Follower, or by casting a second spell while Chakram Retriever is on the field and then responding to the trigger. If you have none of those then you do have to wait a turn to untap
Jace Belerin I always build a budget version of any deck to see if I really want to put money into it. I give myself a $100 budget prioritizing buying cards that are useful in many decks ie artifacts or lands. If the deck is fun to play and I want it to be better I upgrade it slowly, capping myself at around $500 for the decks I really love.
Basically if I’m building a new deck I buy a couple expensive utility cards. then build the skeleton of a deck with budget filler and alternatives that can be replaced later.
You need haste for the combo 302.6. A creature's activated ability with the tap symbol or the untap symbol in its activation cost can't be activated unless the creature has been under its controller's control continuously since their most recent turn began. A creature can't attack unless it has been under its controller's control continuously since their most recent turn began. This rule is informally called the "summoning sickness" rule.
Mitch, I hate to be that guy, but the infinite mana combo with Grand Architect and Pili-pala doesn't work like you want because Pili-pala will be affected by summoning sickness and wouldn't be able to activate its untap ability without haste.
Gaea's Blessing is an other decent card that can be very helpful against mill opponents. And should any removal be included? Aven Mindcensor is a huge threat to this deck
I’m not sure if this a patron option but I was wondering if I were to give you my budget and commander I want to use could you do a deck tech for me? I ask because I enjoy playing but with my job I don’t have much free time to figure out a deck.
So there is a General Level tier where I build a deck based on a commander and theme of your choosing, and then make a deck tech video around it. But that deck would still fit within the budget deck building rules. Hope that helps!
@@BMdogma well then... i guess good cards go up in proce quick(im sure vanifar had something to do with it). also mine was the stronghold version so im extreamly happy with what I spent on it lol
@@MrLafpxl "If a creature with an {Untap} ability hasn’t been under your control since your most recent turn began, you can’t activate that ability, unless the creature has haste." It says so in the rules of the game.
I really like this deck, but pili-pala will have summoning sickness the turn you pod it out and be unable to use it's ability to create infinite mana. Is there any solution that you can think of for this?
So, I’ve been wanting to try commander for a while, but I haven’t had any good legendary creatures. But recently I got my hands on an Avacyn, angel of hope. Is there any way I could make a budget deck based around her?
Just as a pretty neat little idea to swirl around: Mathas, Fiend Seeker, the RWB 3 mana for 3/3 Vampire, would be a neat Political Deck that involves Curses. You don't see many political decks in Mardu, but its the perfect color and Commander to be both political and punish at the same time!
I can always count on the commander's quarters to build a budget deck when I just opened a commander.
Now for the hard part. Finding the cards at my lgs.
Glad to help!
@@TheMightyBattleSquid Why don't you just buy cards online?
Just order at mcm
Pili-Pala has summoning sickness. Untap cost symbol is still an activated ability. This doesn't work unless you wait a turn, with all your tools on the board, open to hate. Also, you'd need a spell in hand next turn. It would work, with a haste equipment (Lightning Greaves, Swiftfoot Boots, etc.).
That's why I run Force of Will and Pact of Negation, although that increases the deck price to 125
I wrote this before realizing this comment was from 3 years ago 😂
Just what the people needed a budget vannifar, much love :D
Happy to help!
The deck is amazing, i didnt think we could build such a resilient and strong vesion of this deck for so cheap, you sir are amazing, and this is the best edh channel
Well thank you!
First of all, Love the channel built this deck with a couple upgrades and had a blast putting it together. but I am also absolutely livid right now because I tried playing the deck and realized you got an important detail about the infinite mana combo WRONG. It doesn’t work “right away”. The pili-pala suffers from summoning sickness the turn it comes in and cannot use its activated ability. It can use grand architect’s ability just fine but unless the Mtg wiki is wrong about The untap symbol rulings I’m afraid the combo doesn’t work as desired. You need a way to give it haste. I will say I am NOT a judge and if anybody is and can say for certain that I’m wrong then YAY! Combo still works. My source was just looking up the untap symbols rulings on Mtg wiki
Ok, this is by far my favorite deck on the channel thus far. Thanks for this amazing combo deck!
No problem!
you made this deck seem different from all the other versions while still being budget and fun, congrats dude, what an awesome deck and video.
I love it and hate it all at the same time. Probably the most creative list I've seen for Vannifar so far. Well done!
Birthing Pod is one of my favourite cards, I wanted to build Vannifar but I was worried it would be very expensive, so this is perfect!
Thank you so much, great deck :)
Awesome! Glad you enjoyed it!
Love your videos mate they are such good quality don’t know how you don’t have a million subs yet
Haha thanks!
Btw thanks for the episode commander quarters
No problem!
Man literally just discovered your channel, and you make terrific content! Prime Speaker Vannifar in particular has me laughing while watching at how silly and fun this combo is. Thanks for content that is fun/engaging/educational/well edited!
2 Ravnica Allegiance EDH Decks in less than a week (including one for my favorite new potential Commander Rakdos)? Man, you guys are killing it!
Thanks!
My best friend just pulled one of these from a pack while we were playing sealed. Looks like he’s got an in for commander now. Thanks, guys.
Holy crap. I felt tired for my opponents just listening to you describe the super combo :o you’ve outdone yourself with this one.
Been here since you posted on an mtg page on Facebook, glad to see that you are up 30,000 subs from then.
Did I miss something where we were able to give Pili-Pala Haste? Because unless it has Haste you can’t use its untap ability the same turn it came into play
Another great video going to take a couple games to remember the combo lol excited to see what’s next
Haha yep!
This is more of a return to form. Welcome back Good AND cheap!!
I just realized you are about to hit 40K...
Holy moly...
Its only been no more than 6 months...
Great work Mitch, anything planned for 50K sub special?
Because I think it is coming in the next couple of weeks, at most.
HEY COMMANDER QUARTERS!!!! Thanks for the brew and thanks especially to you and the other awesome content creators I am gunna try to have multiple lines of play to combo off I am breaking the bank just a tad but with your help you make it alot easier cause with my plan I plan to have 5-6 different lines depending on situations and such. But Ill obviously try to with with your way first cause thanks to you I was able to budget this deck so i can prove to my buddy how nuts she is lol.
That’s awesome! Happy to help!
I pulled this gal from the pre-release and wow man this deck looks sick! Gonna use your list for sure! Thanks for all the hard work you put in these deck techs.
Really feeling these deck techs where you exclude the commander, keep it up!
When the golden pig is an actual pig.
Ya'll don't seem to know, pili-pala can't 'untap' to make colored mana while summoning sick. The infinite mana combo needs either haste, boots, or you need to wait till next turn to go off. Lol imagine not know about an old michanic from a set you might have never played.
I like that this deck doesn't have the same cards that a lot of the rest of the decks have
That's a sweet deck!
One suggestion, though: How about adding a scale for the power of the deck? I imagine this deck being way stronger than let's say Rakdos from this week. Obviously, the power of a deck depends on the meta, but a rough estimate would be nice... perhaps a four point scale? (strenght in quarters...)
Can't wait for close quarters...
This deck is hilarious! I have a prime Speaker vannifar but I never thought of combo possibilities!
Wow a birthing pod with legs wow.
Gotta love it haha
More like tentacles in her case.
I went to my first mtg tournament ever recently and I got whooped so fast by an infinite combo that my head spun. I am now going to make this deck to spin their head.
i dont think the infinite mana combo works like that, well at least not the same turn you get pilli pallar. correct me if i am wrong but i think its the same ruling with untap symbols as it is with tap symbols considering summoning sickness
You are correct about that.
Note: Pili-Pala needs haste that you can use it right away.
And how you go from Protean Hulk to Tidespout without an untap ability? Nobody would ever pass the turn back to you with Vannifar and Hulk :D
It's an artifact
TheVeganSquid an artifact creature
If you have the speedyboots out you could chuck that on them
Wait, it’s an untap ability not a tap ability, is it even effected by summoning sickness?
@@sebastianalancliffordthomp4114 seems like an important interaction to gloss over in the video but yeah, unfortunately the untap ability can't be used until summoning sickness is gone/creature gets haste. Swiftfoot boots and lightning greaves seem like a great solution.
Needs progenitor mimic. Use it on anything that has a trigger when played and you can just keep going up. Gargos, vicious watcher and mesmerizing benthid paired with the mimic are a great combo that can make you a serious threat by turn 6.
Pili-Pala actually needs haste for the combo to work (or you can wait a turn)
@Philip Brown Pili-Pala needs haste to use it's untap ability so yes, it does need haste
@Philip Brown I would go for the Thousand-Year Elixir, that one is a lot cheaper
@Philip Brown true, but gl fitting that in the 25 usd budget. If it was a 25 eur budget it would be a lot easier xD
@Philip Brown What about only basics, crossroads and the Pili-Pala combo? That fills the budget right up to 25
@Philip Brown ow wait, forgot something, a blue sun's zenith so we either kill ourselves or win :P
Grand architech and Pili pala combo needs haste to work, even untapping needs haste or the character to be clear of summoning sickness.
TheShineri3 You don’t need haste if another card is causing the tap. E.g. any Convoke cards. Vannifar would need haste if you wanted to combo fully on the turn they get played.
FullFatMayo1 he’s talking about the untap ability
I want to thank you for making this deck design. I am ordering some of the cards up. I did do a little mods to the deck. I do hope you can get a sponsor from cardkingdom sooner or later. I don't really order cards from tcg unless the cards are over $20. When you do get that sponsor, you can make deck list on tap out witch gives your fans the choice to choose from tcg or cardkingdom and you can link your video on tap out so it could get you more fans.
so Pili-Pala... it comes in with summoning sickness doesn't it? so i can tap it with Grand Architect sure but i can't untap Pili-Pala and use it right?
Right
Yes This is awesome. I love this channel so much it is great. Good job
Thanks!
The Commander's Quarters your channel is amazing making great edh decks for under $25
@@davidhutchinson4043 Well thank you!
As much as I wanted to build this on a budget... My LGS refuses to see budget decks as good and only "lucky." So I'm building it to be a top deck there. Rip wallet
What do you mean you can't play budget decks?
@@thewintersaint I can, but every time I win, they say it's luck because of bs reasons.
You show them! And if you really want to beat them down consistently, Jhoira is probably the strongest deck I have made so far
Price and rarity does not equate to power. A well built deck can still be oppressive even if it doesn't cost much to build.
...That and most of the budget from commander decks are in optimized landbases... Which definitely helps with consistency, but it's not like the landbase is always super core to the win conditions of the deck.
@Mike W I played the budget version of Jhoira last week and did really well. Curious what your upgrades were, as I'd like to eventually optimize this deck
Great video! Will you be doing a deck tech on Judith, The Scourge Diva? I'd love to see that
Maybe ;)
This is really cool, but what happens if one of your combo pieces is in your hand, preventing you from continuing the chain? You'd have to cast it from your hand with the normal mana cost then, right?
It's likely expensive enough to be an unreasonable upgrade, but Intruder Alarm looks like a perfect fit...
Ever considered a Thornbite Staff in this deck? Could get some other creatures going with that artifact in play!
I really like the deck but won't summoning sickness prevent pili-pala from creating infinite mana right away?
Yes it will
I discovered this channel and I love it! I even found a scarecrow deck, now if I find somewhere a Sliver deck that would be perfect *wink wink*
Haha noted
OH HOLY SMOKES THE THINGS Mitch can do with Slivers! I'd do it
When you get to protean hulk you need a sack outlet. Vannifar will be tapped at this point and you need to happen to have a way to sac hulk or untap vannifar
YES! Now, I have a cheap and fulfilling use of getting this commander from prerelease! So so so much better than being in just the 99 of Surrak Dragonclaw lol.
The deck I have been waiting for!!!
Alot of people seem to forget about Blossom Dryad from Ixalan
A good card! But it costs 3 so I feel like there are better options to ensure you can get your commander out earlier
Lovely. I hope you do a Judith one too.
I know this is late, but at this point would you replace shrieking drake with or add spectral sailor? Since the shrieking drake isn’t integral to the infinite mana engine itself, the sailor would just funnel the mana into card draw which can draw you whatever other combo pieces you want right?
Thank you for all the hard work
Great deck! only problem is that the combo kinda stops after protean hulk bc in order for you to search for those creatures with the protean hulk, you need it to die and in order for it to die, you need to tap vannifar, but the problem is that shes tapped.. so help me out..
I've been using the Protean Hulk to get Grand Architect, Pili-pala and Quirion Ranger, into a Lore Weaver kill. You'll need a forest in play. Find a way to sacrifice or kill PHulk. to get the pieces out. Make infinite blue mana, and then using Quirion Ranger, return the forest to untap Vannifar. Pod Grand Architect into Lore Weaver and make them draw their deck. I feel like it's so much cleaner than Tidespout Tyrant/Witsniper/Drake.
This deck look awesome a break the bank episode of this deck would be awesome.
Maybe in the future!
@@TheCommandersQuarters I like them mainly because you don't say what to take out when upgrading and it's hard to pick what to take out
@@johnnymathews9589 Yeah I like that they give me the opportunity to go through what I would do in more depth
I really don't understand the flavor text on thousand year elixir. Why not just get a straw?
I think the bottle is enormous, just like the giant itself. Tough to tell from the art, but I think the idea is that the bottle is bigger than any human. A straw wouldn’t help much there.
Pili Pala and Grand architect do not make mana right away pili Pala has summoning sickness right?
This is a weird interaction. If something says [tap an untapped _ you control], you can tap something the turn it comes into play. Summoning sickness is for attacking and the tap symbol.
@@HelloWorld-hy9xq no it is also for the untap symbol
However I really do love the deck, you did forget to mention the infinite mana combo doesn't work the turn it hits the battlefield as pili-pala's untap ability requires it not to have summoning sickness.
Fell asleep watching this at 4 am so I'm gonna watch it again 😁
Thornbite staff and intruder alarm are also nice upgrade cards
This is fantastic. I really like the idea! What are the odds you'll do a Zo-Zu, the Punisher deck?
Have you ever considered Hallar for a deck tech Mitch ?
I have but I have quite the backlog of decks right now, so might have to tackle him later on!
@@TheCommandersQuarters So many unique legends, good luck with that !
You missed a win con. After bouncing all their things with shrieking drake, if u have a way to give haste on field ( boots, cloak or ring) you bounce prime speaker with drake, play speaker, give haste, sac grand architect for the 4 drop draw a card creature u have. Draw your deck play the creature that makes them draw their deck and win that way.
I've yet to see a single Varchild, Betrayer of Kjeldor deck. Would be cool to see one of you made one.
Would be a fun one! Maybe in the future!
You should try and make a decent budget slivers deck. I typically run slivers and the store in my local area does $30 commander where commander doesn’t add costs, the only downside is my only deck I play is way out of that price range
How can you use Pili-Pala without giving it haste?, rule 306.2 states you can tap or untap creatures unless they were in play at the start of the current turn
How was vannifar untapped after casting protean hulk?
Can be done in a couple of ways that I should have detailed out in the video. So you have some spells that can untap her, a creature like Kiora’s Follower, or by casting a second spell while Chakram Retriever is on the field and then responding to the trigger. If you have none of those then you do have to wait a turn to untap
The Commander's Quarters thanks
Can you respond to the Chakram trigger with Vannifars ability? It’s been awhile but since vannifar is sorcery speed you can’t respond with it right?
Yes! I was getting ready to give up on the whole budget thing
Jace Belerin I always build a budget version of any deck to see if I really want to put money into it.
I give myself a $100 budget prioritizing buying cards that are useful in many decks ie artifacts or lands. If the deck is fun to play and I want it to be better I upgrade it slowly, capping myself at around $500 for the decks I really love.
Basically if I’m building a new deck I buy a couple expensive utility cards. then build the skeleton of a deck with budget filler and alternatives that can be replaced later.
so its like a commander foodchain
You need haste for the combo
302.6. A creature's activated ability with the tap symbol or the untap symbol in its activation cost can't be activated unless the creature has been under its controller's control continuously since their most recent turn began. A creature can't attack unless it has been under its controller's control continuously since their most recent turn began. This rule is informally called the "summoning sickness" rule.
I think it should be assumed that Commander's Quarters knows this. And he did add in swiftfoot boots to the deck.
@@BlackDragon939584 for the Untap Ability of the SCarecrow
Just bought this deck for my girlfriend her very first deck, did some little upgrade's.
Mitch, I hate to be that guy, but the infinite mana combo with Grand Architect and Pili-pala doesn't work like you want because Pili-pala will be affected by summoning sickness and wouldn't be able to activate its untap ability without haste.
Gaea's Blessing is an other decent card that can be very helpful against mill opponents. And should any removal be included? Aven Mindcensor is a huge threat to this deck
Someone might already have said this but Instill Energy is the same as Nature's Chosen but with haste and cheaper (in tems of money)
I’m not sure if this a patron option but I was wondering if I were to give you my budget and commander I want to use could you do a deck tech for me? I ask because I enjoy playing but with my job I don’t have much free time to figure out a deck.
So there is a General Level tier where I build a deck based on a commander and theme of your choosing, and then make a deck tech video around it. But that deck would still fit within the budget deck building rules. Hope that helps!
After looking I see that now. Unfortunately for me my budget is much higher that what you set in your patron. Thanks though.
Oh no, now I’ll have to buy another one of your playmats. Pink!!!
Do the same combo but play the 1 drop spectral sailor and have jace in your deck, draw your whole deck. Win on the spot :)
great deck tech just got this card from my roomate to build the commander deck
No Intruder alarm in the reasonable upgrades?
It’s over $10 unfortunately. My favorite card from my childhood though
@@TheCommandersQuarters its not though? i got mine for like $7 a few weeks ago
@@TheAverageNerd it is above 10 now
@@BMdogma well then... i guess good cards go up in proce quick(im sure vanifar had something to do with it). also mine was the stronghold version so im extreamly happy with what I spent on it lol
@@TheAverageNerd nice bro
Hey Mitch, if someone wanted to build this as a toolbox deck rather than combo, what changes would you make?
Can you do a video on Oloro, Ageless Ascetic?
Would be a fun one! Maybe in the future!
Awesome combo-ish deck tech, wish to see break the bank episode of this commander
After you hulk you need to wait a turn as the Pili-Pala doesn't have haste.
wrong. you only need haste to activate effects with the tap simbol. if it says tap in text, you don't need haste
@@thewintersaint gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=147381
The rules text on Gatherer says you cannot
vannifar is sorcery speed only
and pili pala doesnt need to wait a turn because it untaps itself, not tap. its not affected by summoning sickness
@@MrLafpxl "If a creature with an {Untap} ability hasn’t been under your control since your most recent turn began, you can’t activate that ability, unless the creature has haste."
It says so in the rules of the game.
Shoulda put in neoform
You are also wrong about using Haunted Cloak "in response" to someone trying to kill her since equipping can only be done at sorcery speed.
When shall we be seeing a Nikya of the old ways 25 Budget commander deck?
I would love to see a budget Kalitas deck!
Would be a fun one! Maybe in the future!
This deck looks awesome. And interesting combo
Pili-Pala needs haste to untap. So you haveto wait a turn or give it haste
I really like this deck, but pili-pala will have summoning sickness the turn you pod it out and be unable to use it's ability to create infinite mana. Is there any solution that you can think of for this?
What about a deck built a commander deck built around the flip planeswalker like Chandra, Fire of Kaladesh
Probably already been said, but this 100% needs a Break the Bank. If the budget version is this spicy, I can’t imagine a BtB version!
So, I’ve been wanting to try commander for a while, but I haven’t had any good legendary creatures. But recently I got my hands on an Avacyn, angel of hope. Is there any way I could make a budget deck based around her?
I just built a new deck, otherwise I would definitely build this! I'm saving it for the future, though!
no removal at all? what happens when people play Aven Mindcensor, Torpor Orb, Cursed Totem, Grafdiggers Cage, Containment Priest, etc. etc.?
I’d say intruder alarm for reasonable upgrade, but it did jump up to $16-$20.
Will illusionist bracers be another reasonable upgrade?
Please break the bank with this deck
Just as a pretty neat little idea to swirl around: Mathas, Fiend Seeker, the RWB 3 mana for 3/3 Vampire, would be a neat Political Deck that involves Curses. You don't see many political decks in Mardu, but its the perfect color and Commander to be both political and punish at the same time!
I want to see you on a command zone gameplay video playing one of these decks