I discovered the Destroyer, frigate, Corvette meta by accident. Had a brutal second server and had to spend all my time in the fog. Discovered to my surprise that my frigates and destroyers could hold their own against all but the best of the enemy Cruisers.
Hevely disagree with people praising the guardian, AC721 is the best corvette carrier. You get +20% accuracy and +70% lock-on speed if you use the freed up spots on the corvettes for more accuracy, damage boost or dodge you can get the same dpm as on a guardian but uou get a boost in the survivability of your corvettes.
As someone who rolled spear with additional armor, and repair drones, the spear can hit (potentially, depending on build) 240k hull, 540 armor (enough to bounce cellular torps outright without crit), 30% crit resist and 25% energy resist. sure, the energy resist is subpar, but its a monster of a tank ship, that has near (or above) carrier level of durability. owning the carillion, I would argue its durability is comparable to a cruiser, not a battlecruiser. its main strength however is balanced tanking. It works well against anything in general, and has few weaknesses. (the main one that comes to mind is Io high speed, due to its potential 70% accuracy vs small targets, a ship that I rarely see used due to its low (27-28k) max dpm) Carillion is stupidly good for its price, but there is stuff that can potentially be better, depending on the scenario (assuming cost is no issue). Its still definitely the best tank in the game by and far, more just pointing out it can be surpassed in specific situations.
Crit cannot penetrate armor. Crit multiplier applies after armor. So your spear can forget about CD. Carillion is good only because of the price. But these applies to all frigates. There are a lot of ships which are better in front row. Main weakness of carillion that it has very low mitigation against most basic threat - small cannons. Every ship have them and carillion has only -30% hit chance with 55% dodge against them what is very low when you have only 10k hp.
I got lucky with my st59. Have the heavy armor and the em armor so 700 armor max or 85% energy resistance. Just doesn't have quit the health or healing capabilities of the spear
Given my limited options, I usually go for a well-rounded multirole fleet which can tank some but have high dps potential. The doctrine worked quite well for me so far, as I am able to hold my own until help arrives and at the same time can reliably support friendly fleets in battle with quick flanking maneuvers. I agree with the part that cruisers won't be as effective later on unless they have plenty of tp, which I have now. Light fleets are quite fun to deploy too as force multipliers.
I've had good success with the mare tranq pulse as AA, but you need to NOT use the back row strat. The pulse cannon only functions to firing at air targets in the row 1 forward of it. So keeping the tranq in the mid row is necessary for it's AA function.
*IL community:* Thank you Damphyre for your videos, now we have clear idea of the current meta fleets (build said fleets) *Also IL community:* Proceeds to surround Damphyre's base to test if its effective. *Damphyre next upload* "Sorry lads, this one got a little bit delayed because I got blown up for xth time and have to rebuild my fleets so.," *Rinse and repeat*
well this ones out of the way and I proved its effectiveness today XD. Even when missing some optimal choices. But yeah now it doesn't matter so much, they can come at me as often as they want XD
My fleet composition 5 CV3000 reinforcement 10 vitas B010 10 stingray 5 vitas A020 15 T-800 Backrow 7 Callisto. I don't have tundra carrier so I use 10 Ceres aircraft, 10 mistral and 10 spore. And 10 mare serenitatis for anti propulsion. For my front 10 Taurus 10 Special Carl Total of 400 CP for my fleet.
The swarm meta is killing all the fun in the game for me, I had some fun with it during phase 2, but by now in phase 5 I really don't want to go back to that. The involved micro is just such a pita and it's quite an upkeep to upgrade the weapons on all those aircrafts every phase. I try to stick to the best; T-800 and Spores, but then I run into fleet carrying like 70 aircraft, just all kinds of trash to fill slots, and my 2 dozen will simply be outnumbered and murdered by the sheer mass of enemies.
Yeah and it's a shame. There are a lot of fun ships out there that aren't Taurus, Eris or carriers and nobody can use them because they'll get obliterated by a swarm, no questions asked
The fact that they have "aircraft" in a space game kind of puts me off. As someone who hasn't played, that stands out to me and makes me wonder about the attention to detail in this game. There is obviously no air in space so they are all ships and not aircraft unless they are made for attacking planets and the carriers unload aircraft in an atmosphere. If that were the case, each planet would have different atmosphere and aerodynamic requirements would be placed on aircraft. I know a lot of people love the game and it's not a big deal to some, but to me this is very basic if you are making a space fleet game.
@@MikeRLloyd73 So if it were were on land fighting tanks on a flat plane it would also be a naval game? They are space craft. Aircraft use aerodynamics to fly. There is no air/atmosphere in space, which is where this game takes place. Nice try.
Destroyers: Base Tundra Base AC721 and the aircraft version Base Eris 1 Base Winged Hussar Frigates: Base NOMA M470 Base Reliant Base Mare Nubium Base FG300 and all it's variants Corvettes: CV-11003 These are all the ships I have
So far, I've been using armored FGs, winged hussars, aircraft ac721s, and tundras. Specifically, 15 FG300 Armored 10 Winged Hussar 4 Tundra 3 AC721 (Aircraft. 6 CV-11003) 5 Eris 1s Trying a new fleet: 15 FG300 Recons 10 Winged Hussars 4 Tundras That's all I have so far, suggestions are welcome. I have 280 command points
What's the best way to get better ships? Is it as simple and paying for coins and then buying boxes for research? I definitely need better ships and especially that Carillion special
Season 2 player going up against these season 5+ meta fleets is just a nightmare. What are you supposed to do when you don't have meta to counter all the meta?
Hello Damphyre, i know this isn't directly related to this video, but really appreciate if you have the time to reply this question. I've been wondering, which one is more worth it, the 25 tp research agreement, or should i use 30 tp to buy 2 of 15 tp crate?
Unless your a whale and can run very heavy fleets with maxed battlecruisers etc its basically the same. However you can now consider adding winged hussar AA into the mix. It is due a little update though and polish.
yeah healing drops off pretty sharp late game unless you got certain tank ships out like very high dodge rate tanks work well with leas. But again it still drops off so best to just run more damage imo and take overall less damage from killing the enemy faster.
Actually a good question. And I can't lie it's going to be hard. Best bet is just pure numbers, surround 2-4 strongholds with all your players and at X time hit all at the same time. Cross your fingers and pray you have enough between you all. Good luck!
I have all the good dmg corvettes but I have no aa fighters or corvettes. Do I still use corvettes with the risk of them getting destroyed by enemy aa fighters/corvettes.
i use the one variable speed fleet at the moment. I do use a more tank focused fleet or fast fleet depending on what is going on in wars or even siege fleets. Really depends as that second fleet is obviously missing a lot of very strong ships as they're in my main fleet, so its a bit more of a reactive role.
@@Damphyre ive been running a fleet strictly of carillon recon/special, reliat stealth and fg300 recon just cause they're cheap and have meh evasion. Usually lasts around 5ish min, plenty of time for my DPS fleet to dish out some damage before they're focused on
Well use mistral t800 etc and youll be fine. But yeah the AA ships aren't working as intended. This may all change on the 30th however with some flagships giving massive AA buffs. But will have to test all that.
Forget Vitas As. The system HP buff nerfed Vitas A to the shit hole. All aircraft that does system damage except mistral are crap now. Stingray lost half of its damage, spore lost 90%.
theres a research agreement choice you can make that has a chance at marshall crux, CtG, guardian pulse and Vitas B its a good way to try get it as the rest of the ships are decent drops even the TP on them is good too.
@@Damphyre tbh I'm using it for trying to get IO let's see if i can get it even from a pull of 2 ships and 3 variant each them i can try that again. Still is a lot of time and well can always fail in something that you don't want
I found the recent update ruined Spores completely. With the system HP buffed, 95% of spore’s damage is on systems and it barely knocks out any. Most times before spore was able to knock out the weapon system the target is dead. So almost all damage is wasted. I found it’s performance worse than Sandrake, don’t get me wrong Sandrake is still pretty pathetic. AA aircraft is really down to mistrals, T800 and Strix.
Might take a look at lock-on time on spore as well. It's common wisdom to use every lock-on reduction you can, but on spore that's actually counterproductive because it takes a few seconds for carriers to launch aircraft, and spore doesn't do enough system damage to take out actual ships. With zero, or near-zero, lockon time, spore launches, locks on a ship, and wastes the entire battle shooting at a carillon special instead of AA. If you leave the lockon time at about 4.5 seconds spore wrecks face on every level. But it isn't a Mistral, so you have to build it differently
@@WillDissolver lock on time doesn’t matter, play a few battle and see. Then you’d know. Spore is doing damage, the problem is all the damage went to systems not structural. For example a fighter with 3K HP used to have 200 system HP now it has 3K system HP. If spores does 7K damage then it could kill 2 fighters and take out the weapons system on the third before updates. Now it could only kill 1 fighter and unable to take out weapon system on the second fighter. In air battle this creates a domino affect. Unable to disarm and kill fighters quickly meant spores will take more damage result in more losses. And more losses meant damage output is reduced. Thus losing the fight.
No not so much that. Just be a lot more careful about wars, taking 1v1's etc. Thing with fleets like what I'm running is if you get hit by 2 fleets with a bit of AA my damage gets melted off the ships super fast.
I normally enjoy ya vids mate but for the love of God stop spreading the idea of meta fleets every fleet build had a counter build that makes it useless...META FLEETS DO NOT EXIST
I have to disagree. There is currently no counter to aircraft heavy fleets except running your own aircraft as the ships capable of doing AA damage are limited and don't do enough ie Ion Ruby, Mare T energy etc.
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Guess I'm melting my cruisers tonight.
I discovered the Destroyer, frigate, Corvette meta by accident. Had a brutal second server and had to spend all my time in the fog. Discovered to my surprise that my frigates and destroyers could hold their own against all but the best of the enemy Cruisers.
later in when you have multiple V2 dessies/frigs this fleet design gets very strong and I've yet to see a viable cruiser+ fleet handle it.
@@Damphyre you were not wrong. I am now to the point where I no longer lose any battles against primarily Cruiser based fleets
I'm mainly having trouble figuring out how many of each ship to add because I just Spam everything into it
Hevely disagree with people praising the guardian, AC721 is the best corvette carrier.
You get +20% accuracy and +70% lock-on speed if you use the freed up spots on the corvettes for more accuracy, damage boost or dodge you can get the same dpm as on a guardian but uou get a boost in the survivability of your corvettes.
As someone who rolled spear with additional armor, and repair drones, the spear can hit (potentially, depending on build) 240k hull, 540 armor (enough to bounce cellular torps outright without crit), 30% crit resist and 25% energy resist. sure, the energy resist is subpar, but its a monster of a tank ship, that has near (or above) carrier level of durability. owning the carillion, I would argue its durability is comparable to a cruiser, not a battlecruiser. its main strength however is balanced tanking. It works well against anything in general, and has few weaknesses. (the main one that comes to mind is Io high speed, due to its potential 70% accuracy vs small targets, a ship that I rarely see used due to its low (27-28k) max dpm) Carillion is stupidly good for its price, but there is stuff that can potentially be better, depending on the scenario (assuming cost is no issue). Its still definitely the best tank in the game by and far, more just pointing out it can be surpassed in specific situations.
As someone who played infinite Lagrange, this is fak3
Like spear of uranus?
Crit cannot penetrate armor. Crit multiplier applies after armor. So your spear can forget about CD. Carillion is good only because of the price. But these applies to all frigates. There are a lot of ships which are better in front row. Main weakness of carillion that it has very low mitigation against most basic threat - small cannons. Every ship have them and carillion has only -30% hit chance with 55% dodge against them what is very low when you have only 10k hp.
I got lucky with my st59. Have the heavy armor and the em armor so 700 armor max or 85% energy resistance. Just doesn't have quit the health or healing capabilities of the spear
Given my limited options, I usually go for a well-rounded multirole fleet which can tank some but have high dps potential. The doctrine worked quite well for me so far, as I am able to hold my own until help arrives and at the same time can reliably support friendly fleets in battle with quick flanking maneuvers.
I agree with the part that cruisers won't be as effective later on unless they have plenty of tp, which I have now. Light fleets are quite fun to deploy too as force multipliers.
Thank you for the videos, i learn alot from you ❤️
Glad you like them!
Yes they are helpful. Specially am now using the Marshall Crux. Hope we can win hehe
I've had good success with the mare tranq pulse as AA, but you need to NOT use the back row strat. The pulse cannon only functions to firing at air targets in the row 1 forward of it. So keeping the tranq in the mid row is necessary for it's AA function.
Works back row if you use the strat and stack ships in the backrow.
@@Damphyre does yield per hour is also affected by tge distance of the mining area ?
Best infinite Lagrange fleet guide!!!
Glad you think so!
*IL community:*
Thank you Damphyre for your videos, now we have clear idea of the current meta fleets (build said fleets)
*Also IL community:*
Proceeds to surround Damphyre's base to test if its effective.
*Damphyre next upload*
"Sorry lads, this one got a little bit delayed because I got blown up for xth time and have to rebuild my fleets so.,"
*Rinse and repeat*
well this ones out of the way and I proved its effectiveness today XD. Even when missing some optimal choices. But yeah now it doesn't matter so much, they can come at me as often as they want XD
correction bout 10min in... stock eris 1 is mid row, not "on the front row"
My fleet composition
5 CV3000 reinforcement
10 vitas B010
10 stingray
5 vitas A020
15 T-800
Backrow
7 Callisto.
I don't have tundra carrier so I use 10 Ceres aircraft, 10 mistral and 10 spore.
And 10 mare serenitatis for anti propulsion.
For my front
10 Taurus
10 Special Carl
Total of 400 CP for my fleet.
Pulled none of the meta ships, great.
Good for you
/J
cruisers battle cruisers and carriers needs to be reduce in CP. people are just using destroyer frigates fleet
The swarm meta is killing all the fun in the game for me, I had some fun with it during phase 2, but by now in phase 5 I really don't want to go back to that. The involved micro is just such a pita and it's quite an upkeep to upgrade the weapons on all those aircrafts every phase. I try to stick to the best; T-800 and Spores, but then I run into fleet carrying like 70 aircraft, just all kinds of trash to fill slots, and my 2 dozen will simply be outnumbered and murdered by the sheer mass of enemies.
Yea I've been in the game for 6 seasons now, its not really fun when everyone has a swarm fleet at this point lol
@@romanninja777 cant blame them. My union is p5 and everyone is air fleet and a fast fleet. But we are mostly p2w
Yeah and it's a shame. There are a lot of fun ships out there that aren't Taurus, Eris or carriers and nobody can use them because they'll get obliterated by a swarm, no questions asked
@@romanninja777 what's an swarm fleet?
@@billcipher9068 fleet with many aircraft
I don't have any of these except for the cas ._.
you'll get a new ship soon i believe in you
The fact that they have "aircraft" in a space game kind of puts me off. As someone who hasn't played, that stands out to me and makes me wonder about the attention to detail in this game. There is obviously no air in space so they are all ships and not aircraft unless they are made for attacking planets and the carriers unload aircraft in an atmosphere. If that were the case, each planet would have different atmosphere and aerodynamic requirements would be placed on aircraft.
I know a lot of people love the game and it's not a big deal to some, but to me this is very basic if you are making a space fleet game.
I guess they could or should of called them space fighters or something of that nature.
It a naval game actually because all fight is always on a flat plane
@@MikeRLloyd73 So if it were were on land fighting tanks on a flat plane it would also be a naval game? They are space craft. Aircraft use aerodynamics to fly. There is no air/atmosphere in space, which is where this game takes place. Nice try.
Well, I usually don't mind. Just consider them as the interstellar version of fighters and corvettes we have irl.
RNGsus loves you
I've had some good pulls. But this is also my 6th server so I've had a long time to get a lot of pulls
HC chimera caps at 41.8k dpm.
It never does that much though, your are lucky if HC chimera does half of that.
Destroyers:
Base Tundra
Base AC721 and the aircraft version
Base Eris 1
Base Winged Hussar
Frigates:
Base NOMA M470
Base Reliant
Base Mare Nubium
Base FG300 and all it's variants
Corvettes:
CV-11003
These are all the ships I have
So far, I've been using armored FGs, winged hussars, aircraft ac721s, and tundras.
Specifically,
15 FG300 Armored
10 Winged Hussar
4 Tundra
3 AC721 (Aircraft. 6 CV-11003)
5 Eris 1s
Trying a new fleet:
15 FG300 Recons
10 Winged Hussars
4 Tundras
That's all I have so far, suggestions are welcome. I have 280 command points
I hope the devs increase the AA capabilities of BC's because they supposed to be that way. Good anti Ship and AA
Guess railguns are another category of direct fire weapon....? But yeah, I feel like I'm being pedantic. They're a type of cannon if you like.
yeah they're direct fire. basically think of is it anything with dumb projectiles
What's the best way to get better ships? Is it as simple and paying for coins and then buying boxes for research? I definitely need better ships and especially that Carillion special
Hi Damphyre Vscount M3 here hehehe
No meta mining fleets here :P
@@Damphyre hahaha
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@@Damphyre Very informative thank you for the videos.
Season 2 player going up against these season 5+ meta fleets is just a nightmare. What are you supposed to do when you don't have meta to counter all the meta?
find other players to help you out. The game is not about playing solo its about playing together.
Hello Damphyre, i know this isn't directly related to this video, but really appreciate if you have the time to reply this question. I've been wondering, which one is more worth it, the 25 tp research agreement, or should i use 30 tp to buy 2 of 15 tp crate?
He recently said to invest in 15tp crates at first, then once you have a few good ships use the research agreement to get what you're missing
Ah, okay, thanks for the information 🙏
@@illchangethisifican7952 Just got a standard carilion from the 15 tp crate T_T
At least I'm one step closer to special carilion now
@@anonymjet4436nice :) just hope you don't pull heavy cannon instead
25 research is the best. box has higher chance of getting trash ships such as fg300 ,mare nubium lower chance of getting Xeno.
Nice👍
Hi Sir Damphyre. Aquila 168 here 😁
oh which union you with?
Am from NRW 😁 the Ark Alliance
Hello, i'm a newbie in this game.
Tell me how you can get a new ship please. 🙏😉
Check the vids I've got that have 101 in the title, the one I talk about blueprints in, will tell you.
@@Damphyre thanks alot. 😁
How to get the Carlion special frigate variant?
Get the Carilion multiple times
Has enough changed that this could be updated?
Unless your a whale and can run very heavy fleets with maxed battlecruisers etc its basically the same. However you can now consider adding winged hussar AA into the mix. It is due a little update though and polish.
Me taking on lvl 8 privateers wondering why 200k healing just isn't enough ...
yeah healing drops off pretty sharp late game unless you got certain tank ships out like very high dodge rate tanks work well with leas. But again it still drops off so best to just run more damage imo and take overall less damage from killing the enemy faster.
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What's best way to take a city in phase 1 server?
Actually a good question. And I can't lie it's going to be hard. Best bet is just pure numbers, surround 2-4 strongholds with all your players and at X time hit all at the same time. Cross your fingers and pray you have enough between you all. Good luck!
Does vacuum still play bro? Btw hello from grimm214
I think so he's not with SC anymore and joined SG1
no aircraft = dead dave
I have all the good dmg corvettes but I have no aa fighters or corvettes. Do I still use corvettes with the risk of them getting destroyed by enemy aa fighters/corvettes.
Yeah I'd still run them they're just very strong still. Stick em on some ac721 and they bring their worth no issue even with some losses.
So I'm thinking about the st59, will it tank the damage from aircraft? Cause it has high armor
multiple aircraft have energy damage most notably vitas B, so that doesn't help.
@@Damphyre thanks for the tip
How often do you get attacked just because you are the LaGrange tutorial guy?
Almost every server 🤣. There's always at least one that wants me on their killboard 😅
@@Damphyre lol! Not remotely surprised
So do you not use a DPS fleet and a meatshield fleet?
i use the one variable speed fleet at the moment. I do use a more tank focused fleet or fast fleet depending on what is going on in wars or even siege fleets. Really depends as that second fleet is obviously missing a lot of very strong ships as they're in my main fleet, so its a bit more of a reactive role.
@@Damphyre ive been running a fleet strictly of carillon recon/special, reliat stealth and fg300 recon just cause they're cheap and have meh evasion. Usually lasts around 5ish min, plenty of time for my DPS fleet to dish out some damage before they're focused on
Referring to the fg300 as the shop that's cheap and meh, just to be clear
So basically "until they fix AA, you're prety much fcked"?
Well use mistral t800 etc and youll be fine. But yeah the AA ships aren't working as intended. This may all change on the 30th however with some flagships giving massive AA buffs. But will have to test all that.
@@Damphyre Let's hope they fix it then. I still have some time to respec my ships before it becomes expensive too, so I should get to it.
i still waiting for the magic drop of the vitas a and b so.... probably i will never see it
Forget Vitas As. The system HP buff nerfed Vitas A to the shit hole. All aircraft that does system damage except mistral are crap now. Stingray lost half of its damage, spore lost 90%.
theres a research agreement choice you can make that has a chance at marshall crux, CtG, guardian pulse and Vitas B its a good way to try get it as the rest of the ships are decent drops even the TP on them is good too.
@@Damphyre tbh I'm using it for trying to get IO let's see if i can get it even from a pull of 2 ships and 3 variant each them i can try that again. Still is a lot of time and well can always fail in something that you don't want
I found the recent update ruined Spores completely. With the system HP buffed, 95% of spore’s damage is on systems and it barely knocks out any. Most times before spore was able to knock out the weapon system the target is dead. So almost all damage is wasted. I found it’s performance worse than Sandrake, don’t get me wrong Sandrake is still pretty pathetic. AA aircraft is really down to mistrals, T800 and Strix.
My spore usually outdamages strix in AA. Have you got the strategy on it? That may be what you're missing.
Might take a look at lock-on time on spore as well. It's common wisdom to use every lock-on reduction you can, but on spore that's actually counterproductive because it takes a few seconds for carriers to launch aircraft, and spore doesn't do enough system damage to take out actual ships. With zero, or near-zero, lockon time, spore launches, locks on a ship, and wastes the entire battle shooting at a carillon special instead of AA. If you leave the lockon time at about 4.5 seconds spore wrecks face on every level. But it isn't a Mistral, so you have to build it differently
@@WillDissolver lock on time doesn’t matter, play a few battle and see. Then you’d know.
Spore is doing damage, the problem is all the damage went to systems not structural.
For example a fighter with 3K HP used to have 200 system HP now it has 3K system HP. If spores does 7K damage then it could kill 2 fighters and take out the weapons system on the third before updates. Now it could only kill 1 fighter and unable to take out weapon system on the second fighter.
In air battle this creates a domino affect. Unable to disarm and kill fighters quickly meant spores will take more damage result in more losses. And more losses meant damage output is reduced. Thus losing the fight.
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So basically if you don't have the meta ships, don't bother playing the game?
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No not so much that. Just be a lot more careful about wars, taking 1v1's etc. Thing with fleets like what I'm running is if you get hit by 2 fleets with a bit of AA my damage gets melted off the ships super fast.
No
*this is for noobs * proceeds to talk about 1000 bps that noobs don't have
I gave a noob fleet composition using CAS etc then gave them something to aim for
Jesus, you have a lot of hulls and hull types
I'm 6 servers in so I've had a good bit of time gathering.
can I have a shoutout damph, I'm done hunting ur precious base
Lol, prepare for tumbleweed bro 🤣
First?
I'm not sure theres another comment the same minute I think
@@Damphyre thanks for the tips man it help all though I'm going it blind I played similar games base building I was lvl 6 before I watched tips
I normally enjoy ya vids mate but for the love of God stop spreading the idea of meta fleets every fleet build had a counter build that makes it useless...META FLEETS DO NOT EXIST
I have to disagree. There is currently no counter to aircraft heavy fleets except running your own aircraft as the ships capable of doing AA damage are limited and don't do enough ie Ion Ruby, Mare T energy etc.