All my friends are switching to shakehand because they think it's better, but I keep on telling them to stick to what feels better! I personally love playing penhold and I have a killer backhand that no one ever expects!! It's so much fun
Because almost everyone uses shakehand these days, people sometimes frown at me and think I'm weird. One new guy at our club last week asked me "why are you TRYING to play penhold?" I answered him by beating him 4 - 0. If it works for you and feels comfortable, stick with it and at club level opponents really don't like the extra amounts of spin I can generate from swinging my wrist. I totally agree with you in this video that total novices should start with shakehand because few coaches outside of the far east know how to teach you penhold.
i actually switched from shakehand to penhold because i found it sometimes limits my reaction time having to make decisions whether to use forehand or backhand to counter some awkward balls using shakehand. penhold is just much simpler and much more fun even (i attached short pip rubber on the back of my racket lol).
@@fightinglionenjoyer5409 yes do it, I have been playing traditional penhold with short pips for a long time, playing shake hand on and off, but always go back to penhold since it's so powerful with forehand and smashes, and very comfortable if you get a traditional Japanese or Korean style penhold paddle. The new Chinese style paddles are super uncomfy, but rbp is deadly if used correctly, I'm thinking about putting rubber on the back of my traditional racket just to see what happens 😅
I feel your pain Thats why i train myself since all coaches used the shakehand and table tennis isnt known much in our country And its pretty darn expensive
Me tooo, im a penhold but there are no coaches that teaches penhold , sooo 😢 my coach ask me to switch to shakehand and yea its like playing and learning how to play ping pong again but understanding the basics and stuff
@@ikickslayer5851may I ask, how did you actually started playing penhold? Since most people are using shakehand. Did anyone taught you or you just figure it out yourself?
Thanks for the tip; I’ve been using shakehand all te time and one of my coaches showed me the penhold and I wasn’t comfortable with it, this video showed me that sticking to the shakehand is the best idea, thanks!!
I'm in the middle adjusting my play style from penhold to shakehand. it feels very weird for me to spin for forehand but very comfortable for backhand.
Do you have any major advises for penhoulder players? I now restart practicing after over 5 years of break (I am 22). Both feels pretty natural because I played both for a couple of years, but I think penhoulder is just more fun to me :D
Thank you Alois and Jeff for all the great videos you guys put out! You guys are the reason that Ive been able to progress in my table tennis. I used to watch continuously a few years ago when I was playing regularly, but I stopped playing and watching for a while. Ive been playing more recently and I intend on playing in some small tourneys as soon as possible. Thanks again and Ill let you know what kind of success I have competitively. : )
When I first started playing I chose pen hold because it looked cool. I learned a lot slower than the people who used shake hand (mainly because of rpb), but now it’s too late to switch back.
@KoreaFace I have played shakehand for like 5 years (im 12 rn) and when i saw the penhold grip for the first time, i thought it was cool as well. Now, i play better on penhold. Also, here r some tips that i could give (but i don't know if you can benefit from it) Tip No1: analyze Penhold players in tge top division. Eg: Felix LeBrun Jeśus Cantero, He zhi wen, Qiu Dang, Wong chun ting, Wang Hao, etc. Tip No2, watch videos about penhold. Some channels that priduces these types of vids are, PingSunday Coach Emratthich, MFLM Table Tennis And WTT. Tip No3, always pressure your thumb and index finger when hitting shots. This can benefit you a lot. Tip No4, always put your middle finger, your reverse index finger, and your pinkie finger placed together, withour spaces. That is more comfortable, and allows for better RPB. Hope this helped
@@buttxrontoast-7100 man this is amazing. Thanks a ton. I'd have loved to have a longer chat on this since you seem quite knowledgeable on penhold players
@madhav ved thanks, im from east asia, so even at the young age of 12, i know a lot about penhold. And I want to share it to others since i want to play against good players.
I started RBP and switched to shakehand a year ago due to pain in my fingers from pressing too hard on the back of the paddle when playing penhold. I still feel my backhand flick as shakehand can't come close to the RBP for over-the-table flicks. I tried varying my finger position in pen-hold but I just couldn't find a position that wasn't painful after a couple hours of play several days in a row.
I have a problem with penhold.. I tried to focus too much on my rpb... I tend to use rpb flicks, block and loop .. The result is I rely more on my backhand now so when I use my forehand its awkward... (I tend to miss some forehand swings) There are times I use rpb even on the forehand side (I find good results) My problem is transition from fh to bh and also the footwork maybe.. The main reason I tend to rely on bh more is because I love to copy some of Zhang Jike's game plan (just the placements and his tendency to use his bh more). is it weird even as for a penholder?
I was a penholder until high school. Now I prefer shakehand because I am getting older, it is difficult to reach every corner with forehand. But I never forget how to punch and slice the ball which are basics of the penhold style
as a c-pen player, the only thing I can intuitively do better with shakehand are the long parallel serve and the snake retrieve from under the table. And maybe backhand lobs.
I used to play with Pen Hold but when i found out that i got disadvantage cause i can't do RPB I go back to using the shakehand and now i can attack both forehand and backhand.
I have been playing traditional penhold all my life; I tried changing to handshake grip and it was a total disaster. I am working on improving my backhand push/punch and ball placement to reduce the disadvantage of traditional penhold backhand.
Hahaha... finally I find someone on the same boat. I use penhold and shakehand grip too. Basically I am a penholder, but I try to use shakehand also. Now I can use both grip whenever I want 😁
Good question. I think the penhold was really popular in Asian countries from the 60's right through till the end of the century. China had many World Champions using the penhold grip over this time.
Take a look at the PingSkills website. We have videos on all the major strokes there. For the chop back from the table this is much more common using the shakehand grip.
I'm a new player myself (played maybe 3-4 hours in school as a young adult, and now, 15 years later, I have started playing again with my new girlfriend. we played for 2-3 hours so far). I started out with the shakehand grip, as it felt more natural and more... reliable. However, my girlfriend is chinese. She suggested I try the pen hold grip. For the first minute I didn't like it much, but after a while, I decided to stick to it. The back hands are not easy, but I'm slowly getting used to it, but for the forehand, it made my game at least twice as good. My top spin is just incredible with it. Makes me feel cooler too XD
Ive really become addicted to table tennis, i learnt at a friends house and he always used the penhold grip and i got used to it, but ive had problems with my topspins so i wanted to know if you guys had a video on penhold topspins or you could tell me maybe what im doing wrong
Daniel Montoya The rotations for the forehand are generally the same for penhold as shakehand. I would recommend using your body and midsection as much as possible to hit the ball. As you progress you can incorporate your wrist and shoulder into certain shots. (Played penhold since I first started, RPB specialist)
Does the penhold require more wrist movement than shakehand? I use shakehand and I find that my forehands are inconsistent due to too much wrist motion, would switching to penhold actually make my wrist more of an asset rather than a liability?
Good question. I think in some strokes the shakehand allows for more wrist naturally. For your forehands I would concentrate on not using too much wrist at all using the shakehand.
Hi guys, I recently was given two old but good bats, they have this switch that is rotated underneath the grip. Though I don't understand what it does.. Could you please explain it?
Hello.. I have one question. I started playing penholder and play well too. But with time I started playing shake hand also now I'm good in both.. Which one u will advise me to focus on??
I have tried both grips and I am having a hard time picking one... For shakehand my forehand is atrociously inaccurate and feels awkward, but my backhand is strong. For penhold I feel like I have less power but more control and spin. I like the feeling of penhold but after even just a few minutes of using it my hand begins to feel uncomfortable because of the paddle rubbing on my forefinger wrapped around the side. What advice would you have for me in this situation? I play ping pong casually but I want to continue improving, looking to play 2-3 times a week.
Yes, most of the top players do but it is a lot more expensive then some other rubbers which are nearly as good. I think if I was playing competitively I would consider using Tenergy.
I started playing recently and started playing with shakehand my forehand was great but my backhand was bad, then i tried to penhold for fun, found it weird, but i kinda got used to it since i could backhand, although my forehand is still great i think i could do more powerful attacks with shakehand, so should i stay penhold or go back to shakehand ?
Both grips are good. Use which ever you feel most comfortable with. On the positive for sticking with shakehand is that there does seem to be more tutorials using shakehand and more coaches who play shakehand themselves.
Hi, i am a c-penhold player with rbp who started playing only 4 months ago, but played pretty often during this time. My question is if it's possible to reach a good level of play only by watching top penhold players matches vods and video like wang hao instructional, since in my country there are no penhold coaches? Also i felt like multiballs training it's the best to improve every type of shot, should this be the core of my practice?
Watching the best players is a very good way of learning. Even though the coaches may not play with penhold they may still be able to help you to learn how to play penhold. There are more similarities than differences with the techniques of the two grips.
I wouldn't switch just because you have trouble with balls to the middle. This can be overcome with a good basic table tennis position and some good footwork. If you enjoy using the penhold more then that would be a reason to switch.
Press your mid and ring finger into the rubber and curved it (the pinky will be curved) and apply pressure with your thumb So that you can use your other wing
With returning the serve, there's not a single way to do it since the server can put different spins on the ball. So the first thing you need to do is recognise the type of spin they put on the ball. Then you can decide how to counter the spin. With the serve we have a preview of this available on this channel. Google "PingSkills Tomahawk Serve Preview" to see it. We also have full courses on serving and receiving available on the PingSkills website for our premium members. So take a look and see if it would interest you.
You can start from Yasaka Ma Lin Extra Offensive if you are a first time penholder. It is a real good blade, I have one. After you feel much better, there are lots of blades to choose depend on your style. If you want something light but fast as hell, you may pick TSP Black Balsa 7.0 (mine is 65 gr), but watchout for the bouncy or catapult effect from balsa wood. If you want a more comfortable or controlably fast, there is Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon. And... if you are a kind of hitter or puncher player, choose no other: Adidas FiberTEC Extreme is the best. I hope this would be a help for you 🙏👌🤗 I have all those blades, that's why I can give you my suggestions. I also have Donic Black Devil CB, Nittaku S-5, Butterfly Hadraw VR and DHS Hurricane 301. Every blade has it's own best side, what we can do is just choose which best to suit our play style. But if you want me to choose it for you, I will look no further, just pick DHS Hurricane 301, the best overall performance blade 👍😘😁
Hey, guys, you seem pretty comfortable to me playing a penhold style with a shakehand racket. Is that possible or you're just doing it for the video? I mean, if I'm a shakehand who wants to swith to penhold, can I start doing it with the racket I already use for shakehand? Thanks.
Take a look at the serving secrets course on the PingSkills website for some ideas. It is for premium members but we do have previews available on this channel and our blog.
It's the new ranking systems where players need to play more tournaments to maintain their ranking. I'm sure the Chinese will play more this year and be back into the top spots.
I serve with penhold (so i can serve fast and bit lower) but after that i change it to shakehand (it's easier for me to hit the ball lower) bad english :|
As long as it works for you that is good. With a modified shakehand grip you can also serve effectively and have less of a grip difference to switch to for the next ball.
Hi Will focus on trying to learn as much as you can each time you play one of these players. Also remember they have weaknesses just like any other player. Try to find their weaker side and also what types of serves are returns are most effective against them.
I'm pretty slow compared to most of the cubers I compete against. Still I'm hoping to improve. My best average of 5 in competition is 33.68 seconds with a fastest single of 29.13. What about yourself?
I win each and every game using penhole grip i never used shakehand grip... Haha i never stay on count... Once my turn comes then i play with many players until i go... 🙂 😁
@@pingskills yeah, I think it's also something related to culture. Chinese, Korean and Japanese players follow penhold style more whereas European and Americans prefer shakehand technique, for countries like India, its usually the first influence that works well. Most of us saw shakehand grip as the first one.
Shake hand grip is only better when you are able to do powerful loops on both sides. Otherwise pen hold grip has some advantages in small category balls control.
All my friends are switching to shakehand because they think it's better, but I keep on telling them to stick to what feels better! I personally love playing penhold and I have a killer backhand that no one ever expects!! It's so much fun
Good advice!
Because almost everyone uses shakehand these days, people sometimes frown at me and think I'm weird. One new guy at our club last week asked me "why are you TRYING to play penhold?" I answered him by beating him 4 - 0. If it works for you and feels comfortable, stick with it and at club level opponents really don't like the extra amounts of spin I can generate from swinging my wrist. I totally agree with you in this video that total novices should start with shakehand because few coaches outside of the far east know how to teach you penhold.
Thanks for sharing your experiences John.
I had similar experience...
They asked me as if playing penhold is bad and weird...
Well said
I feel you bro
I wish some couches will introduce first the grips and not directly go with the shakehand
Gripq
i actually switched from shakehand to penhold because i found it sometimes limits my reaction time having to make decisions whether to use forehand or backhand to counter some awkward balls using shakehand. penhold is just much simpler and much more fun even (i attached short pip rubber on the back of my racket lol).
Hey, I'm also thinking about switching, do you think I should do it? I've played for around half a year
@@fightinglionenjoyer5409 yes do it, I have been playing traditional penhold with short pips for a long time, playing shake hand on and off, but always go back to penhold since it's so powerful with forehand and smashes, and very comfortable if you get a traditional Japanese or Korean style penhold paddle. The new Chinese style paddles are super uncomfy, but rbp is deadly if used correctly, I'm thinking about putting rubber on the back of my traditional racket just to see what happens 😅
@@bryanwells4063 Thanks!
Ughh I really love penhold but there are so few coaches here in the Philippines that teach penhold ;-;
Yes, unfortunately it does seem that more and more players are using the shakehand grip.
I feel your pain
Thats why i train myself since all coaches used the shakehand and table tennis isnt known much in our country
And its pretty darn expensive
Me tooo, im a penhold but there are no coaches that teaches penhold , sooo 😢 my coach ask me to switch to shakehand and yea its like playing and learning how to play ping pong again but understanding the basics and stuff
That is in fact true so I just end up watching highlight plays of Xu Xin, Ma Lin, Wang Hao and Liu Guoliang lol
@@ikickslayer5851may I ask, how did you actually started playing penhold? Since most people are using shakehand. Did anyone taught you or you just figure it out yourself?
Encouraging words in a time of shakehanders!
True
Thanks for the tip; I’ve been using shakehand all te time and one of my coaches showed me the penhold and I wasn’t comfortable with it, this video showed me that sticking to the shakehand is the best idea, thanks!!
I'm in the middle adjusting my play style from penhold to shakehand. it feels very weird for me to spin for forehand but very comfortable for backhand.
Are you guys ever gonna do anymore Penhold technique videos?
Since we are shakehand players it's much easy for us to demonstrate with this grip. We might try to in the future though.
You guys seem all right using penhold in the video
Thanks!
Yes, unfortunately we don't use the grip ourselves so that does limit us. A lot of the principles are the same regardless of grip.
pingskills me too
I Love Xu Xin! Hes my favorite player. Also that Hong Kong penholder.
Xu Xin is amazing. He has unbelievable footwork!
WONG Chun Ting is the player you were trying to think of. Yeah he's fun to watch. Better RPB than Xu Xin but nobody has Xu Xin's forehand.
Ah, thanks for letting us know about Wong Chun Ting.
Do you have any major advises for penhoulder players? I now restart practicing after over 5 years of break (I am 22). Both feels pretty natural because I played both for a couple of years, but I think penhoulder is just more fun to me :D
Thank you Alois and Jeff for all the great videos you guys put out! You guys are the reason that Ive been able to progress in my table tennis. I used to watch continuously a few years ago when I was playing regularly, but I stopped playing and watching for a while. Ive been playing more recently and I intend on playing in some small tourneys as soon as possible. Thanks again and Ill let you know what kind of success I have competitively. : )
It's great to hear your story. Keep up the good work.
When I first started playing I chose pen hold because it looked cool. I learned a lot slower than the people who used shake hand (mainly because of rpb), but now it’s too late to switch back.
@KoreaFace I have played shakehand for like 5 years (im 12 rn) and when i saw the penhold grip for the first time, i thought it was cool as well. Now, i play better on penhold.
Also, here r some tips that i could give (but i don't know if you can benefit from it)
Tip No1: analyze Penhold players in tge top division. Eg: Felix LeBrun Jeśus Cantero, He zhi wen, Qiu Dang, Wong chun ting, Wang Hao, etc.
Tip No2, watch videos about penhold. Some channels that priduces these types of vids are,
PingSunday Coach Emratthich,
MFLM Table Tennis
And
WTT.
Tip No3, always pressure your thumb and index finger when hitting shots. This can benefit you a lot.
Tip No4, always put your middle finger, your reverse index finger, and your pinkie finger placed together, withour spaces. That is more comfortable, and allows for better RPB.
Hope this helped
@@buttxrontoast-7100 man this is amazing. Thanks a ton. I'd have loved to have a longer chat on this since you seem quite knowledgeable on penhold players
@madhav ved thanks, im from east asia, so even at the young age of 12, i know a lot about penhold. And I want to share it to others since i want to play against good players.
I started RBP and switched to shakehand a year ago due to pain in my fingers from pressing too hard on the back of the paddle when playing penhold. I still feel my backhand flick as shakehand can't come close to the RBP for over-the-table flicks. I tried varying my finger position in pen-hold but I just couldn't find a position that wasn't painful after a couple hours of play several days in a row.
Hi ping skills can u please make a video about easy foot work (with no equipment) and about ball work
Google "basic footwork pingskills" to see our thoughts on this.
I have a problem with penhold..
I tried to focus too much on my rpb...
I tend to use rpb flicks, block and loop ..
The result is I rely more on my backhand now so when I use my forehand its awkward...
(I tend to miss some forehand swings)
There are times I use rpb even on the forehand side (I find good results)
My problem is transition from fh to bh and also the footwork maybe..
The main reason I tend to rely on bh more is because I love to copy some of Zhang Jike's game plan (just the placements and his tendency to use his bh more).
is it weird even as for a penholder?
I was a penholder until high school.
Now I prefer shakehand because I am getting older, it is difficult to reach every corner with forehand.
But I never forget how to punch and slice the ball which are basics of the penhold style
Jangan sampai lupa tuh pak, kan memang itu kelebihan penhold 😂
Grandma taught me with the penhold...its the traditional way...i feel great with it.. and im a lefty so i have an advantage
as a c-pen player, the only thing I can intuitively do better with shakehand are the long parallel serve and the snake retrieve from under the table. And maybe backhand lobs.
Thanks for sharing your experiences.
I used to play with Pen Hold but when i found out that i got disadvantage cause i can't do RPB I go back to using the shakehand and now i can attack both forehand and backhand.
Thanks for letting us know about your situation.
I have been playing traditional penhold all my life; I tried changing to handshake grip and it was a total disaster. I am working on improving my backhand push/punch and ball placement to reduce the disadvantage of traditional penhold backhand.
Oh no. Do you think you will stick with the shakehand or go back to using penhold?
@@pingskills I am sticking with traditional penhold
I use both penhold and shakehand because of mainly confusing my opponents by changing my game style
Hahaha... finally I find someone on the same boat. I use penhold and shakehand grip too. Basically I am a penholder, but I try to use shakehand also. Now I can use both grip whenever I want 😁
I like ma long presently and of course Xu Xin too
They are both great players.
Hi guys, I'm just wondering whether there was ever a trend in favour of pen-hold grip in table tennis history? And if so, when was that?
Good question. I think the penhold was really popular in Asian countries from the 60's right through till the end of the century. China had many World Champions using the penhold grip over this time.
I use both against defence player pen and shake against attacking players
Very good answers ..Thank you
Hi can you guys make a video about chops. I can do a chop, but is it better to do a chop with pen hold or shake hand grip!
Take a look at the PingSkills website. We have videos on all the major strokes there. For the chop back from the table this is much more common using the shakehand grip.
I'm a new player myself (played maybe 3-4 hours in school as a young adult, and now, 15 years later, I have started playing again with my new girlfriend. we played for 2-3 hours so far). I started out with the shakehand grip, as it felt more natural and more... reliable. However, my girlfriend is chinese. She suggested I try the pen hold grip. For the first minute I didn't like it much, but after a while, I decided to stick to it. The back hands are not easy, but I'm slowly getting used to it, but for the forehand, it made my game at least twice as good. My top spin is just incredible with it. Makes me feel cooler too XD
Nice. Thanks for sharing your story.
How do we do around the net shots. Can u please teach me sir.
Ive really become addicted to table tennis, i learnt at a friends house and he always used the penhold grip and i got used to it, but ive had problems with my topspins so i wanted to know if you guys had a video on penhold topspins or you could tell me maybe what im doing wrong
Daniel Montoya The rotations for the forehand are generally the same for penhold as shakehand. I would recommend using your body and midsection as much as possible to hit the ball. As you progress you can incorporate your wrist and shoulder into certain shots. (Played penhold since I first started, RPB specialist)
Does the penhold require more wrist movement than shakehand? I use shakehand and I find that my forehands are inconsistent due to too much wrist motion, would switching to penhold actually make my wrist more of an asset rather than a liability?
Good question. I think in some strokes the shakehand allows for more wrist naturally. For your forehands I would concentrate on not using too much wrist at all using the shakehand.
what is I am comfy w/ shake but try to learn pen. My forehand is good for penhold but backhand is good for Shakehand.
Hi guys,
I recently was given two old but good bats, they have this switch that is rotated underneath the grip. Though I don't understand what it does.. Could you please explain it?
A switch? Does it seem to do anything? I haven't heard of it before.
Hello.. I have one question.
I started playing penholder and play well too.
But with time I started playing shake hand also now I'm good in both..
Which one u will advise me to focus on??
Which one do you enjoy most?
Hi sir I just wanna know how to play chops with penhold grip especially the backhand chops
It is hard to play the backhand chop with the penhold grip. Almost all choppers use the shakehand grip. Is this a style you want to play all the time?
I like your customs made blade... its awesome
I have tried both grips and I am having a hard time picking one... For shakehand my forehand is atrociously inaccurate and feels awkward, but my backhand is strong. For penhold I feel like I have less power but more control and spin. I like the feeling of penhold but after even just a few minutes of using it my hand begins to feel uncomfortable because of the paddle rubbing on my forefinger wrapped around the side. What advice would you have for me in this situation? I play ping pong casually but I want to continue improving, looking to play 2-3 times a week.
It really is a personal preference. I'd just pick your favourite and try using that for a couple of months. Good luck!
Hi Alois, which blade and rubber are you using in this video?
The PingSkills Touch with Rakza X.
Thanks for the reply, I thought everybody uses Tenergy nowadays :)
Yes, most of the top players do but it is a lot more expensive then some other rubbers which are nearly as good. I think if I was playing competitively I would consider using Tenergy.
What's the difference in Japanese penhold blades and normal shakehand/penhold blades wrt playability?
Take a look at this answer and let me know if it helps - www.pingskills.com/table-tennis-forum/penhold-15
I started playing recently and started playing with shakehand my forehand was great but my backhand was bad, then i tried to penhold for fun, found it weird, but i kinda got used to it since i could backhand, although my forehand is still great i think i could do more powerful attacks with shakehand, so should i stay penhold or go back to shakehand ?
Both grips are good. Use which ever you feel most comfortable with. On the positive for sticking with shakehand is that there does seem to be more tutorials using shakehand and more coaches who play shakehand themselves.
Hi, i am a c-penhold player with rbp who started playing only 4 months ago, but played pretty often during this time. My question is if it's possible to reach a good level of play only by watching top penhold players matches vods and video like wang hao instructional, since in my country there are no penhold coaches? Also i felt like multiballs training it's the best to improve every type of shot, should this be the core of my practice?
Watching the best players is a very good way of learning. Even though the coaches may not play with penhold they may still be able to help you to learn how to play penhold. There are more similarities than differences with the techniques of the two grips.
Hi pingskills I am a shakehand but should I change to penhold cause I get a blind spot body ???? Please help
I wouldn't switch just because you have trouble with balls to the middle. This can be overcome with a good basic table tennis position and some good footwork. If you enjoy using the penhold more then that would be a reason to switch.
I was always told by others that penhold players tend to have a disadvantage compared to the shakehold players in the backhand, is it true?
That generally is a weakness of the penhold grip but since Wang Hao popularised the reverse penhold backhand it's not necessarily the case anymore.
Press your mid and ring finger into the rubber and curved it (the pinky will be curved) and apply pressure with your thumb
So that you can use your other wing
But as Alois said
You will meet a crossover point for the RPB
it's me again :) can you please make a video on how to make a long tomahawk heavy side spin serve and how to receive it... please ?
With returning the serve, there's not a single way to do it since the server can put different spins on the ball. So the first thing you need to do is recognise the type of spin they put on the ball. Then you can decide how to counter the spin.
With the serve we have a preview of this available on this channel. Google "PingSkills Tomahawk Serve Preview" to see it.
We also have full courses on serving and receiving available on the PingSkills website for our premium members. So take a look and see if it would interest you.
Ping skills can u recommend a penhold style racket (only blade)
Sorry we aren't really equipment experts, and so don't have a specific recommendation.
You can start from Yasaka Ma Lin Extra Offensive if you are a first time penholder. It is a real good blade, I have one. After you feel much better, there are lots of blades to choose depend on your style. If you want something light but fast as hell, you may pick TSP Black Balsa 7.0 (mine is 65 gr), but watchout for the bouncy or catapult effect from balsa wood. If you want a more comfortable or controlably fast, there is Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon. And... if you are a kind of hitter or puncher player, choose no other: Adidas FiberTEC Extreme is the best. I hope this would be a help for you 🙏👌🤗
I have all those blades, that's why I can give you my suggestions. I also have Donic Black Devil CB, Nittaku S-5, Butterfly Hadraw VR and DHS Hurricane 301. Every blade has it's own best side, what we can do is just choose which best to suit our play style. But if you want me to choose it for you, I will look no further, just pick DHS Hurricane 301, the best overall performance blade 👍😘😁
Hey, guys, you seem pretty comfortable to me playing a penhold style with a shakehand racket. Is that possible or you're just doing it for the video? I mean, if I'm a shakehand who wants to swith to penhold, can I start doing it with the racket I already use for shakehand? Thanks.
Yeah you can start with a normal bat. There are specialised bats if you take it more seriously.
hello i am playing tt for about 8 months and i am thinking to buy Stiga Carbo 7.6 is it good 😑
Sorry I haven't used that bat before. Have you had a chance to try it out?
Thank you!!
already made the change
it was hard but i think it was worth it
OK. Good to hear it worked out well.
I think you can safely say, that recently shakehand has had a rough time :D!
How to do the reverse pendulum backspin serve ??
Take a look at the serving secrets course on the PingSkills website for some ideas. It is for premium members but we do have previews available on this channel and our blog.
By the way, what made ma long go all the way down to place 7 in the top now in January 2018
It's the new ranking systems where players need to play more tournaments to maintain their ranking. I'm sure the Chinese will play more this year and be back into the top spots.
Thanks.
How to do the backhand pendulum serve
I haven't heard of that one.
Cool, nice!
Learn more in the penhold technique video!
I serve with penhold (so i can serve fast and bit lower)
but after that i change it to shakehand (it's easier for me to hit the ball lower)
bad english :|
As long as it works for you that is good. With a modified shakehand grip you can also serve effectively and have less of a grip difference to switch to for the next ball.
How do you do ma longs serve
He mostly uses the pendulum serve so Google "pendulum serve pingskills" to see more about it.
what kind of your racket please???
The PingSkills Touch with Xiom Vega Pro but it's not about the racket :)
I do use pinhold
Ok, then is it legal to change bats during a match between points?
Actually you aren't allowed to change bats at all during a match unless it is accidentally broken.
thanks
how to hit shot from penhold?
Take a look at this video for the basic techniques - th-cam.com/video/iUK7-z7Zv3Y/w-d-xo.html
Who else is with me supporting the penholders?
What should I do if I'm playin someone better than me?
you never give up. till you beat the crap out of the next few days
Yes but it's in a league in 14 and some people I play against have been playing for 20 years and I only play them once, I'm in the top league
Hi Will focus on trying to learn as much as you can each time you play one of these players. Also remember they have weaknesses just like any other player. Try to find their weaker side and also what types of serves are returns are most effective against them.
Thankyou so much for replying and I will try the opponents are really good thought
what is your pb?
I'm pretty slow compared to most of the cubers I compete against. Still I'm hoping to improve. My best average of 5 in competition is 33.68 seconds with a fastest single of 29.13. What about yourself?
How should I practice if I don't have a table
Take a look at this lesson: www.pingskills.com/table-tennis/training-secrets/practicing-alone/
Alois are you a cuber too?
No Alois isn't a cuber, though I did teach him how to solve it :)
Cheers,
Jeff.
I win each and every game using penhole grip i never used shakehand grip... Haha i never stay on count... Once my turn comes then i play with many players until i go... 🙂 😁
How to serve with more spin,techniques
The key is to get a fast brushing contact.
What about vice versa
The same situation.
Should i change from shakehand to penhold?
Which grip do your prefer to play with?
is it legal to change your grip to penhold to shakehand in a match? (serve with penhold) (hits with shakehand)
It certainly is.
I switched from shakehand to Seemiller.
Interesting. How have you found the transition?
I switched from shakehand to penhold lol
Its si comfortable
Great to hear you enjoyed making the switch.
PingSkills you are the best........I am Dvij.....I want to know how to keep the ball on the table......Sorry.....I m 10 years old......
Thanks. Try to hit the ball softly to start with and try to count how many you can get on in a row.
Dvij.......10 years old.........Can you please tell how to play with the pen hold grip........🤔🤔🤔🤔
hi jeff
Hi Aryav.
Shakehand grip comes to many of us naturally.
Yes I'd agree with that. The penhold grip is still very effective too.
@@pingskills yeah, I think it's also something related to culture. Chinese, Korean and Japanese players follow penhold style more whereas European and Americans prefer shakehand technique, for countries like India, its usually the first influence that works well. Most of us saw shakehand grip as the first one.
@@HarshadJoshi I think you're right!
I'm number 1000
cant you all play without a coach? :o
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Shake hand grip is only better when you are able to do powerful loops on both sides. Otherwise pen hold grip has some advantages in small category balls control.
if you can get the reverse penhold backhand you can get those massive backhand loops, or if you are good with a traditional Japanese penhold grip.