A Misunderstanding of Deadly Proportions (TAM Flight 402) - DISASTER BREAKDOWN
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On October 31st, 1996, Disaster would strike in Brazil’s largest city. TAM Airlines Flight 402 crashed immediately after takeoff leading to the deaths of nearly 100 people in what became one of Brazil’s deadliest aviation disasters and also the deadliest to involve that particular plane. So what happened? Clearly the pilots at some point of this short flight lost control. But really, how does that happen at such a critical phase of flight? That is what we’re going to explore today.
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Hey big fan here, but could you possibly think about doing Ukraine International 752 if you can get enough info?
Do The Sichuan Flight 8633
Thank you for creating these great, but tragic when there is loss of life! I have loved Aircraft since I saw my first Aircraft when I was a child. My Grandparent's owned a home on the Bay of Quintie and they were approximately 15 minuets away from Canada's largest Airforce Base in Canada. The base is called Canadian Forces Base, 8 Wing Trenton. When I was a kid I would watch with amazement the old 707's doing maneuver's over the the Bay of Quintie. They would fly so close to the water and I have to say that the old 707's are one of the loudest jet's I've heard. The Base also used the old C-130H. Today CFB Trenton is home for the C-17A, the C-130J, CH-47D Helicopter's and a SQN of F/A-18C's. The F/A-18C's were stationed at CFB 8 Wing Trenton since 9/11. There's a parking lot near the end of the runway. I still love to go and watch all theses planes takeoff, train and landing's!
My brothers wife is from Rio.
hey! My entire family lived literally just blocks away from the impact site. Sadly, my cousin was on that plane. She was on the last seat row, and was just recently married. RIP... This impacted my family in a way that I'm afraid to fly to this day, since hearing a lot about this when I was a kid. Because of that I ended up nurturing an interest by aviation and found your channel! it all comes together.
Sorry to hear that bro!
Your strength is an inspiration, she would be proud of you.
May your cousin and the deceased passengers and crew rest in Peace.
Much condolences to you and your family. Hope you were able to come to terms with this tragedy.
So sorry for your loss
Disaster: "there is DEFINITELY something we need to talk about about Fokker"
The community: *visible fustration*
I think he is talking about Air Ontario Flight 1363 which is why
@@amazingazblo0239 wat happened there?
@@jessejohn7406 Icing on take off crashed the plane. Then a couple of years later, USAir Flight 405, another Fokker, crashed the same way (icing) on take off. However, this was not the fault of the plane in these cases, but of sloppy habits about de-icing...
🤔 now I really want to know.
@@laveritesurlestemoinsdejeh8522 how about this one? 1931 Transcontinental and Western flight on March 31. It was a Fokker F.10
Rest In Peace to the victims:
Captain Jose Antonio Moreno, 35
First Officer Ricardo Luis Gomes Martins, 27
Flight Attendant Flavia Fuzetti Fernandes, 22
Flight Attendant Janaina dos Santos, 19
Flight Attendant Marcelo Binoto, 29
Flight Attendant Marecelli Carneiro, 21
Agnaldo Figueiredo
Alberto Coimbra Vieira, 51
Alexandre Magalhaes Vas de Mello, 27
Aluisio Camargo Fonseca, 53
Aluisio Calil Mathias
Amador Goncalves de Godoy Filho, 42
Amauri Pimenta Almeida, 36
Andre Estevao M. Botelho, 22
Andre Luiz Hillebrand Linden
Ariovaldo Ricioli
Arlindo Oliveira Filho
Arthur Eduardo Gasparian, 54
Barbara Cecilia Luchsinger Wright
Camillo Marina, 53
Carla Generali Nazareth
Carlos Mario F. Vieira
Carbio da Silva Almeida Jr., 26
Carlos Yukio Morishito
Cesar Franca
Cornelia Gnuge Bauer
Cristiano Gusmao Neto
David Andrews
David Boianovsky
David Francis Tobolla, 40
Denis Albacete de Souza
Eduardo Goes
Eduardo Silva T. Haydt, 42
Elias Alvez Queiroz
Ernesto Igel
Flavia Stout, 23
Felix Elias Balassiano, 40
Filemon Rodrigues Ferreira, 42
Flavio de Araujo Filho, 40
Francisco Jose Rodrigues, 48
George Kepletar, 41
Geraldo Luís Arede de Barros, 38
Gilberto Aquino Jr., 33
Gustavo Serrano, 24
Hamilton Simione
Henrique Marques Trindade
Henrique Mentone Filho, 40
Ivo Roberto Gutjahr
Jose Nogueira
Jose Celso Pereira
Jose Pereira Duarte, 32
Jose Rachael Abu Assali
Julio Dutra de Toledo
Louwerinus Hoogerheide, 48
Laercio Cremasco, 40
Leandro Kalfas
Lucio Castro Pinto, 42
Luiz Antonio Amado de Barros, 50
Luis Carlos Simones A.
Luiz Claudio Tamiello
Luiz Fernando Sampaio Gouveia, 39
Luiz Lauro Romero, 50
Manoel Joao Junior, 50
Manoel Araujo
Marcelo do Amaral Ferraro
Marcos Aurelio Fios
Maria Helena Pereira Beltramini
Maria Emilia R. Vale
Maria de Lima, 22
Maria Adelaide Senna
Marilene Gimenez Haddad
Marta de Almeida Palma, 31
Marta Costa Fantini
Mauricio Frateschi Sa Fortes, 38
Mauro Ferreira
Mauro Rodrigues de Matos, 36
Mohamad Shaikhzadeh
Olavo Ruy Ferreira, 28
Paulo Alberto Prado Filho, 47
Paulo Marcello C. Araujo
Raymundo De Paulo Roncati, 35
Regina Lemos Valerio, 47
Renato Carvalho Leite de Barros
Ricardo Alan C. Maciel
Rilton Oliveira Rodrigues, 23
Roberto Fisher, 46
Rubens de Azevedo Britto, 55
Sandro Morete B. Ferreira
Sergio Bleinat, 39
Sergio Minoru Nisidozi
Trindade Pereira
Walter Manhaes, 55
Washington Carvalho, 33
William Arjona
Wolfgang Hanz Janstein, 62
Zelia Menin, 36
Dirceu Barbosa Geraldo, 39
Marco Antonio Oliveira, 36
Tadao Funada, 64
Taken from www.desastresaereos.net/acidente_tam_402_as_vitimas.htm
one of them was my cousin. rip
Haunting 😭
@@juliusalimari name ?
the son of the passenger William Arjona is a volleyball player of the Brazilian national team, he is also called William Peixoto Arjona, in the year 2016 he reported that he misses his father
These cockpit recordings, they are far more difficult to witness than I would have thought. The raw terror and the humanity on display during the sudden collapse of normality as disaster unfolds in a matter of heartbeats for so many people, so completely.
My mind can only empathize so much, it's utterly heartbreaking.
When this happend my father was still alive. When he retired he was capitan of Boeing 747 of Varig airlines. Right after the disaster It was known the problem was in the reverse, 'cause several people on ground saw the reverse opening and closing on and on. My father said - "you never try to solve a engine problem during taken off, you have to shut down the engine and proceed the take off with a singles engine - witch is not a problem, the plane is projected to do so - only after reaching 1.000" you should try to undestand what is the cause of the failure" !!
The pilots were led to believe in the auto-throtle problem because a series of things - as always in every accident.
Well you are Right.....as Always When an Engine is not doing so Well the Number 1 Thing YOU HAVE TO DO is to SHUT THE ENGINE OFF. Which for that not to prevent any other Problems if you are going to troubleshoot the engine or so otherwise what happened to Flight 402 things would get Nasty and could make it worse
here in Brazil, this crash hit hard on the people. since many other incidents happened with the fokker 100 being involved, such as an in-flight explosion in 1997, 2 belly landings at the SAME TIME, and a landing gear failure, the fokker 100 was hit badly. This affected the plane's reputation SO HARDLY, that people were afraid of the plane and refused to fly on it at all costs, this made TAM retire all fokker 100s in 2007 some of which were delivered to oceanair, another brazilian airline. this fear of the plane was still persistent, so oceanair took matters into their own hands, commercially anouncing the plane as "fokker mk-28" eventually, the plane's age, along with a landing gear failure incident, oceanair retired the fokker 100 in 2015.
My grandmother lived very, very close to the crash site (less than 2km away) when the accident happened. I remember my mother panicking when she heard about it on the news. She tried desperately to contact my grandmother, but she was actually heading home to visit my sister, who was a few months old. My grandfather was at their place and was able to hear the crash.
This is beyond scary and sad. Hearing the CVR gave me chills.
"so unlikely that it would happen" means "it WILL happen eventually and lives will be lost along the way" and there will be yet another "regulation written with blood"
Man, this was a tough one to watch because this accident was so preventable. While you could say pilot error was a contributing factor to the crash, it’s hard to fault the pilots because they were not trained for this situation. It’s also tough to hear the last words spoken by the pilots. It’s amazing to hear that even when disaster is a foregone conclusion, they are still staying calm trying their best to save the plane.
I found this one particulary tragic with how the FO overpowered the throttle to the point a cable snapped thinking he's doing the right thing.
Yea, especially since giving thrust to number 2 engine would normally counteract the yaw to the right, but with reverse active it had an opposite effect...
@@TheLastPhoen1x However, had Fokker stated that “Hey, we sent a notice we need you to train your pilots in case of an uncommanded reverse thrust” the accident never would happen in the case of Lauda 4 a Boeing 767 mentioned in the video that case there was no realistic chances those pilots were going to recover
To design the cockpit warning system so that it just indicates a fault with the auto throttle and gives no further warnings or information to the pilots that this in turn is related to a reverse thruster failing and also not give any teaching or information at all about the system to the pilots "because it is so unlikley to happen" is like not having a protection system at all! When the protection system kicked in and pulled back the throttles right at the moment of takeoff after giving as only fault indication the auto throttle system, well... If I had been the pilot I would probably had reacted just the same way thinking the throttle system was faulty and try push it back up and thus crash the plane. The designers of that protection system did not think far for sure! You need to go through a serious thought step like: "If we give as only alert auto throttle disconnect and then it pulls the throttle back when reverser deploys, how will the pilot react to this?" Probably not good for sure. Im not a pilot but as said: I would probably had done the very same thing in that situation with the information I had as I would want the plane to climb and have been given no knowledge or indication at all that the fact the auto throttle is down is because a reverse thruster have deployed! Clear and detailed cockpit warnnigs and indications about potentially disastrous faults should be a no brainer for plane designers and engineers!
Yeah what a doofus lulz
Fokker didn't communicate anything about the [safety] system because (such) an uncommanded thrust reverser activation was "very unlikely". Beoing didn't communicate anything about the B737-MAX MCAS because.......???
Awesome! Two videos this week! Your hard work does not go unnoticed!!
Another great video Chloe! In this crash, there was some details that explains why the crew thought they're facing an autothrottle malfunction: the relay that locks the reverser entered in short-circuit midair right in the flight before, this caused the autothrottle warning light on and off several times, so the crew of this flight reported and briefed the next one about an autothrotlle issue. That's why the captain was so sure about it, the crew was heavily induced. Additionally Fokker jets had a rule that turns off all "secondary issues" warnings until 400ft, so the crew does not had a clue about what was happening with the reverser.
Another detail about why the company doesn't trained his pilots to the reverser unlock scenario was because one year before, they contacted Fokker about it and the reply was: this scenario is impossible to happen.
Thanks!
As I get older I realize how precious are the losses humanity suffers as a whole when our fellow travellers are taken prematurely. It brings me sadness, as well as unanswerable questions about their potential and value to all. Whether war, vehicle crash, violence, etc. is immaterial - we all suffer in some way. Be safe and thrive.
You should do the 1996 Air Africa Crash, which is a run over accident that killed 215+.
Pilot instinct vs engineering quirk/fault. That hits my heart hard every time.
It's a miracle that the plane missed that school. I mean can you imagine how many children and school staff could have died
So after watching this video I did a little skim reading on the history of Fokker, notably on the 50 and 100, and I can already tell this deserves its own video. I hope we get to see a video on this in the future! Good work as always!
Hey dude I love your videos,I think you should do a video talking about the Mamonas Assasinas crash that also happened in 1996 involving a Learjet 25D registered as PT-LSD near Guarulhos.
Tiny FYI, the producer is a trans woman named Chloe, so use care with any gendered language
Interesting video, thank you for making and sharing it.
That airport reminds me of Midway Airport in my native Chicago, Illinois, USA.
It is in the middle of a heavily populated and traveled residential and business area. Nothing like being stopped for a traffic signal on your motorcycle when an MD-80 at full takeoff thrust screams right over your head!
The only louder sound I've ever experienced was an F/A-18 taking off from Monterey Int'l Airport in Monterey, California, USA. It had performed at a local airshow, and the pilot stood that beast on its tail, blasting us with amazingly loud thunder that went on and on.
I lived across the street from Ohare in grade school for a few years. It would shake our home. I loved it because I love airplanes. But it's definitely super loud. I also believe there was a crash into that mobile home park years before that.
Jesus, what a nightmare. They never had a chance.
You have one of the best voices on youtube. Your narration is perfect 👌🏻 Such a pleasure to listen to.
A little curiosity about that day, just earlier pior this accident, IN THE SAME DAY, another Fokker 100 from this very same company fell in a farm, the only fatal victim was a cow who was run over by the plane, this accident was overshadowed by Number One accident because it happend less than one hour from the previous flight.
What made me know about Congonhas airport is that it's the first base airport in Airline Commander. I remember almost overshooting the shorter runway in a BAE 146 lol.
It was kinda difficult taking off from Congonhas's shorter runway with the BAE 146 in that game yk
Whilst pilot error did technically contribute to this accident, it's difficult to really fault the pilots. The warning they got during the roll and the way the throttle moved misled them and they made what most people would consider a reasonable response to a situation where the right hand engine has gone to idle and the aircraft is yawing to the right. I'd imagine most competent pilots would have responded in a similar manner unless they knew specifically about the system that closes the throttle in the event of an in-air thrust-reverser deployment.
Which leads to the conclusion that making pilots fully aware of a plane's systems can only make them safer pilots. In some ways there are a lot of similarities between this crash and the MCAS debacle. A safety system that the engineers saw fit to decide was not the pilots' concern ended up fighting against a pilot that wasn't aware of it, resulting in a crash.
This channel is high quality … we appreciate your hard work
I flew on a Fokker 100 in Iran from Tehran to Isfahah a coupla years ago. The interior featured a lot of masking tape particularly holding the seat components together. Very smooth and quiet flight and I got there and back!
An extra video! Go Disaster Breakdown!
I had not heard of this crash. Thank you for detailing it. Have a great week!
I think the main reason Fokker aircraft are found here in Australia is our climate. We dont often have to worry about snow and icing on our aircraft. As far as I am aware fokker aircraft had a susceptibility to icing causing in some cases loss of control. Since snowing isnt often here in Australia Fokker aircraft can thrive here. I see them almost on the daily flying overhead inbound for Perth.
yeah just look at the Dryden disaster
Also, airlines in Australia have operated Fokker aircraft previously (viz. F-27, F-50 and F-28) quite successfully without many hull losses or fatalities. The F-27 that went into the sea off Mackay resulted in fatalities, and VH-TQQ was lost on a training flight in the early 80s but didn't result in injuries or fatalities.
Fokker 100 aircrafts were really popular in Brazil in the 90's, this accident affected this plane's reputation for the local public, which began to mistake this aircraft model as unsafe. I flew many times in this same company in the same planes in this same airport in the 90's without problems or concerns.
The video about Air Ontario 1363 you allude to should be quite interesting, given the material you'll have to work with. Given thr organization turmoil at the Canadian TSB in the aftermath of the Arrow Air DC-8 crash, the TSB didn't investigate the Air Ontario crash. It was investigate by a judicial commission headed by a judge, and the ensuing investigation was far more detailed than any TSB or NTSB investigation I've ever seen, including expanded discussion of human factors and the effects of corporate culture. It also didn't help that the F28 type was ultra=sensitive to snow/ice contamination on leading edges. (USAir 405 at LGA was another example).
What a teaser. Please share the 'mystery' story about the other Fokker plane soon.
Is this a gift for us? Wasnt expecting a tuesday upload, but i love your content so its great
i hate to call this a cliffhanger bc its like...real life stuff and deadly irl events at that but you've got me thoroughly interested in what's up with the Fokker planes?? also, completely unrelated but out of curiosity, would you ever do a video on helios flight 522? (if you have done a video on that and I'm just forgetting that would be so embarassing 😭) but it's such an interesting story with the flight attendent and attempt to regain control of the plane. anyways! great video as always, it's always a little exciting to get the notif for a new video.
here it is th-cam.com/video/R8XPVHybGV0/w-d-xo.html
About Fokker, there are so many cases of crash in the F28 type regarding on icing.
Thats a fokking travesty they never did anything about that!
@@truhhhhhhhokIII3 They did something, but some of those crashes are caused by procedures being neglected.
Another example of this is Kish Air Flight 7170, which is a reverser related incident.
Aircraft manufacturer must take actions on the product, creating and modifying their aircrafts to fit the federal aviation administration's standards and regulations. But in the airlines or operators' side, they may sometimes negected or bypass the manufacturer's procedures on operating their aircrafts.
The F28 did not have leading edge slats that boost the lift over just the rear trailing edge flaps alone. I think the F28 crashes (one in Canada and one in NY LaGuardia) might have not have happened if they had leading edge slats. Makes a difference. The first series of the DC-9 (10 series) also lacked leading edge slats. And there was a DC-9-10 crash in Denver in snowy weather and I always thought that not having the slats might have prevented this tragedy too. The later DC-9 series 20, 30, 40 and 50 all had the slats, so maybe they learned their lesson.
A good surprise to see a video on this day, it’s actually my birthday on Saturday so I’m excited to see what video comes out then, Amazing video with amazing quality as normal.
I’ve always wanted to know about this one! Thanks for covering it!
thx for bonus video this week , love the content
I swear you’ll have 100k subs soon man keep up these crazy high quality vids
Also can you do Silkway 995 and Yemenia 626?
I'm getting this subtle vibe that maybe you don't like Fokker very much.
Meet the Fokkers
If that's the case, then I'd like to see some statistics for accidents vs miles flown, and how do these stack up against other aircraft manufacturers' products.
I remember being at work when this happened. We all stand in front of a tv set and watched live footage. There was a joke going around after that said: “ With TAM you arrive faster…” sad days for us in São Paulo.
Two videos in one week‼️...loving it man
Thank you for the informative video as always.
Awesome video as ever. I love the teaser at the end :) Keep up the great work
7:10 after LaudaAir 04, Boeing determined that an uncommanded activation of reverse thrust on the B767 resulted in 76%-78% loss of lift on the opposite wing.
It makes me tremble hearing the recording in my native language
That plane was a real Fokker
Total Fokker. Every time he said Fokker I thought of the movie.
Woah awsome video my friend keep up the great work my friend as always bro
Disaster breakdown on a tuesday!? Yes please!
Did I See A Fokker 28 That Was Air Ontario Flight 1363 At The End?
And The Same Happened To USAir Flight 405
Remember this as if it were yesterday
A Tuesday upload? I like it
Thank you for the bonus video!!
A mid week video is highly appreciated :)
My immature ass laughing every time he says Fokker
ah, i see. air ontario flight 1363
The funny thing is that the simulator showed a Azul and Gol airplanes. But Gol was founded in 2001, and Azul was founded in 2008. This accident occurred in 1996
Pilots were like: “Wtf is wrong with that Focker?”
The Fokker 100's Fokker is the same Fokker that built the Fokker DR.1, Fokker Eindecker, the company that built the aircraft that caused the Fokker Scourge. But not Focke Wulf. Fokker was initially German
Thanks for the vid :)
love ya
Say ‘modern Fokker’ ten times fast.
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Wouldn’t there be some sort of feedback so that you can see when the reverser deploys? Surely there’d have to be?
I agree - I would expect some sort of indicator on the control panel which is driven by a microswitch on the reverser mechanism.
14:16 That cliffhanger..........
Thanks for the vid!
Wow, what a story !! Watched it 3X. Mark
Could you make a video on air india 182? I mean it was also a case of "man checked in bag, did not board and plane go boom" like pan am 103 near lockerbie except it was 3 years ago in 1985. So if regulations were changed then pan am 103 would not happen.
I'm not sure if you make videos about maritime disasters as well, but would you consider doing a video on the 2014 MV Sewol sinking?
just booked a flight with a fokker 100 a few days ago 😅
Dont fokkin worry my guy, you good!
@@truhhhhhhhokIII3 sadly, they passed away. 😢
The first time you said "Fokker" I did a double take
I want the Fokker rabbit hole video
Always a great notification to receive!
Fokker…Fokker!! Anyone remember the movie? Haha
Having been employed (in my 20s) at Fokker & left there with quite bad memories I'm very curious, what 'crusade' you have in store against this company (& why). :_[[ hYlkeW
a faulty safety solenoid suddenly failed during early 2000s on a Fokker50 seconds before landing in Sharja killing everyone onboard. i heard from a pilot who had flown that same Fokker50 that "raising the gear and going around and praying hard" was the only way to reset the faulty solenoid which was activating an uncommanded thrust reverser on landing approach. any catastrophic design flaw no matter how unlikely which is known to the manufacturer WILL certainly at some point spell disaster during the operational service life of a commercial airliner. that's called "mathematical certainty and statistics". it gives me a huge satisfaction that Fokker is out of business because of its recklessness in failing to issue mandatory procedures to it's costumers across the world.
I’m sorry, what was the planes name???
😂😂😂
And remember kids, the things that happen with the least frequency tend to be the most deadly, specially if we are not prepared to deal with them
the one and only woman is back with another great mini docu
I've flown in and out of both airports in São Paulo. Congonhas is a domestic only airport.
As a Dutch person I'm weirdly scared of what that other story might be, because I have absolutely no clue but feel like I should know
TAM3054 2007
Great jub , bless you.
Can you do another 2 disaster episode like landing in bad weather and pilot suicide? I recommend the 2 Boeing 737 max disaster.
There's plenty of Max videos. Let's not. It's been overkilled. Everywhere there's a video about them people agrue and fight about Boeing.
@@wyomingadventures There's no point arguing over the 737 Max. Passengers are going to vote with their feet, and not necessarily for the right reasons ... but they'll still vote, just like they did after the DC-10 accidents.
9:06 why there is md-80 center panel ?
U should also do the 1993 big bayou rail accident (to learn more go to dark history video about it), you should also do the 1972 Chicago commuter rail crash( to learn more go to the thunderbolt 1000 sirens productions video about it) the reason why I say this is because disaster breakdown talks mostly about airplane disasters now i`ll never complain I love airplane and train disaster.
I know this is a somber video about a very tragic incident. But I'm not gonna lie, I giggled a lil bit every time you said "Fokker" lol
😂I didn't want to be the one to say it
another great video, thank you madam
Ok that's funny in a weird way. I lived in São Paulo when I met my wife online. She's what Brazilians call "Nordestina." She was born and raised in Recife. We moved from the São Paulo area (Bertioga) to near Recife in 2020.
I'm so curious about what the next story of the company will entail.
Never trust a Fokker.
Fokker 100 aircrafts were really popular in Brazil in the 90's, this accident affected this plane's reputation for the local public, which began to mistake this aircraft model as unsafe. I flew many times in this same company in the same planes in this same airport in the 90's without problems or concerns.
Let's face it there will always be equipment failure and pilot error.
Can You Do Philippine Airlines Flight 434?
3:53 Azul Wasn't founded until 2008, and flight 402 happenedbin 1996
This sadly seems like an accident that would end in tragedy even if the pilots knew what was happening. The plane was in takeoff and they didn’t seem to have any way to get control without crashing.
Guessing your gonna do Air Ontario 1363?
Admit it, you enjoyed saying "Fokker" as many times as you did!
The pilots had no realiable information to fix the problem under 1000ft, sadly the flight was doomed as soon as that reverser activated. Saddest crash in the country, along with Gol 1907
3:15 - I thought I heard the narrator pronounce the "j" in "Jose" like an English "j." Sounded like "Joe Zay."
He is right. The sound of "J" in portuguese is similar to english.
You should make a vid on southwest flight 1279
Halloween tragedy
Just wanted to say - the animation doesn't have the bucket thrust reversers deployment, which is probably not what you want.
That's pretty shocking and very irresponsible from Fokker really, in my opinion they should've acted on it and forced ALL airlines to deal with it and train the pilots properly.