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- Learn how to manipulate your friends until they won’t call you back anymore with this premier Magic: the Gathering archetype! Group hug decks often focus on handing out additional resources in order to buy time until they can negate all that help, or in some cases, kingmake!
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I prefer Step 3: Goatboss. It’s like Girlboss, but Zedruu.
She already qualified for girlboss. Goatgirlboss?
She's a baaaaaaad girl 😅
@@9-b_b-9 underrated comment 😂😂
Enduring ideal Zedruu was my favorite deck for years. Being everyone's friend right up until you turn into a dragon and roast them alive.
Or gate breaker ram.
"Did someone say Girlboss?"
As Jolene Plunder Queen kicks in the door and hurls 60 treasure tokens across the table.
My current favorite commander and the girlboss that will be the win con of my future Vazi commander
Step 1: Gaslight them into thinking Mana Barbs is not a threat.
step 2: Gate keep them from tapping mana by playing Torbran.
step 3: Girl boss them dead with Price of Progress.
There was no group “hug” in this post 😂
Run invasion of Regatha too, so each land tapped does 5 damage when it becomes it's back side, not just 3 damage
That just sounds like Klothis Meanchanments. Which I have a love very much.
@@skykurYou’re right. Welcome to group slug, where everyone gets to suffer by being able to play their deck very painfully, much like eating candy that has actual razors in it that you were always warned to be on the lookout for as a kid.
Throw in Sulfuric Vortex for shits and giggles, watch them squirm as lifegain is no longer a thing.
I prefer the 3rd G to be GunPoint, as is my Xyris deck "Grouphug at Gunpoint". 40 snakes and goblin bombardment on the field is TECHNICALLY a counterspell so your just holding everyone hostage until you have lethal. Good times
"In response, *GUN"*
And this is why there's still a place for Krosan Grip in 2023.
ahh yes, Xyris and bombardment, a delicious combo my friends hate. Plus Witty Roastmaster and Torbran for when the snakes enter.
Yeah I was playing Niv Mizzet the other day and someone tried to counter my spell so I burned them to death, the other player then proceeded to attempt to cast a removal spell so I countered it with the counterspell I had the whole game
I know how to play against group hug. It's to never trust Kibo. "Oh I'm just giving you some treasures and bananas. I have some 20/20s with trample."
"What? Its only a liquimetal coating..."
Don't mind me strapping Kibo into an Assault Suit. I just want everyone to have bananas. Fighting each other also works
You have not truly loved the group hug life, until you've run Gluntch. Gluntch is so deliciously deceptive because it exists in amazing pillowfort colors. If you get down Viridian Revel and Solitary Confinement, kick back and watch the others duel it out while you have a Teferi's Protection and Heroic Intervention on standby for someone getting froggy
Gluntch main, can confirm.
@@DurdleDers After I finished building mine, I was so upset it took me so long. Went toe to toe vs a PL9 Kaalia. Blew my mind. It's somehow both casual and crazy competitive at the same time, while also not being overbearingly competitive at a casual table, or too much of a pushover at a competitive table
@@UniversalJuan I love sitting there towards the end of the game with like 200+ life and permanents all over, and everyone goes "Oh shit I think he's actually going to win this one if we don't stop him."
@@DurdleDers Ohhhhh, shit! You rocking Fangren Marauder in yours too?!
@@UniversalJuan Yessir :D along with Soul Warden and Essence Warden for my 1 drops that just sit there and accrue life all game.
To celebrate a friends' birthday, a bunch of us got together and played some commander via TTS. Everybody was using official precon decks, but I'd grabbed some random list after quickly googling "MTG Commander Happy Birthday deck" and seeing Zedruu's effects.
I thought it was going to be a deck about gifting big creatures to opponents as a way to bribe them into leaving you alone.
I thought I was going to be playing a joke deck that died after some hilarious betrayal.
Instead I opened a hand of Smothering Tithe, Nine Lives, some counterspells and enough land to play them all.
It was glorious, I just sat back and threatened the board with a Nine Lives detonation if anybody ever crossed me. The game ended when it was myself, the birthday boy, and one other friend remaining: I played Mirrormade, duplicated the still-active Nine Lives, gave the non-birthday boy the old Nine Lives, and played Purify to destroy all enchantments. Happy birthday! My gift to the birthday boy was a victory.
I'm always looking for ways to end the game in a Draw and 9 lives has got me scratching my chin...
Fantastic game haha
I love Nine Lives so much, I got a playmat of the card. Now when I roll up to pods to play, I get death stares!
“Gaslight” tends to work exactly once per playgroup.
Just gotta up that manipulation game
I've been manipulating my friends for about 5 months into accepting the Tempting Contract. There's no such thing as too much gaslighting.
I have found that the key to successful group hug is to choose in deckbuilding whether you are giving the other players mana or cards, and NEVER give them both. Free access to both resources makes the game spiral out of control very quickly, but if you keep one of the two as the bottleneck, you can maintain your invisible vise grip on the game much more easily.
Thanks, Satan!
The *other* mistake I see group hug decks make is gaslighting too hard. Yes, you want to give your friends a bit of free stuff, but if you play tempting wurm any time in the first 3 turns you will find that the 4th G stands for Go to game 2.
Yes! Tempting wurm has one home. And that is the Beamtown Boys' place.
@@mikemoyer8162
I mean, yeah, thats the best place for him.
But bullies got so many other options which are better than wurm.
Even there its so unbelievably risky
@Личко Иван I mean there are quicker finishers that I definitely also run, but you gotta know your playgroup, some people get really upset about being "Leveler'd" out of a game early.
@@mikemoyer8162
Nah, Leveler is by far the best one, but also the most boring one.
Everything is kinda bad compared to him, but I was thinking of Eater of Days/Hellcarver Demon.
Its just, Tempting wurm oftentimes does so much more for your opponents than you.
Bullies do not play a lot of good permanents they want to see on their boards
So wurm will likely win/push the game for someone else
I love these lessons in commander as told by lil' foghorn leghorn
As someone who had a group hug deck as one of my first ever commander decks, I would like to add that, while girlbossing is certainly fun, it is all the sweeter when you kill them with kindness. I ran a pretty generic phelddagrif list, ramping the whole table ahead in mana and cards, and then if I lasted long enough, I had huge mana from the ramp to dump into a prosperity to draw the entire table out in one go. since almost everyone else runs some kind of personal card draw, I almost always has the most cards left in deck and would win. Truly one of my favorite decks, group hug is such a fun strategy!
I have a buddy who runs the Angel's Trumpet/give you a million hippos combo. It's a super fun win.
I much prefer the evil version of this, giving people gifts they don't want and now cannot get rid of. Then you just watch your opponents kill each other with creatures with horrible drawbacks while conserving your strength to take out the last man standing.
Lemme guess... jon irenicus, shattered one?
or beamtown bullies
Yessss another jon fan
Join the supervillain league brother
@@pencilwatchesstuff791 my first experiance of jon was from shuffle up and play my god the innability to sac the given creature is horrific. If i was to do a group hug deck i would probably go for the goat or blim
Mmm, group slug
This happened to me accidentally in a game with a Gruul Commander deck I had borrowed. One of my earliest plays was a card that gave everyone a bunch of lands--I think it was rampier than Tempt with Discovery, but something along those lines.
The last card of the game was "Each opponent takes damage equal to the number of lands they control."
Absolutely delightful deck. Kudos to whoever built it!
I think a precon deck my friend had did something like that - shat out a bunch of lands, card draw, and 'you may play 4 additional lands on each of your turns', hung out until like turn 12 then dropped that spell to pull a win out of his ass after a very gruelling game; something he tends to do in a lot of his games even outside MTG.
Ever since we have never trusted his courtesy.
As someone planning on building Thantis Warweaver, thanks for the advice.
Ive never had as much fun in magic as the time i first played forced fruition. Watching my friends stare uncomprehendingly into their 30+ card hands, trapped in choice paralysis
I would love to see you roast my commander Be'lakor, The dark master. Great videos!
My go to group hug deck is Glunch, and we’ve called it “the School Glunch Program” I often help everyone at game start with helping everyone ramp, get mana and draw cards, just to finish out with Approach of the Second Sun.
But it’s a strange phenomena, where by helping everyone has given the deck a reputation of “oh you wanna hurt me? Fine, you don’t get to have fun anymore” before you play Silence on their turn mid combo.
As a down-home southern boy; I am amused at the use of my accent for the strategy that gives me most amusing. Seriously, I don’t need to win; I just want to get a good laugh...like casting Rakdos Charm when one of the other players’ Commander is “Ob Nixilis, Captive Kingpin”. Or planeswaking to plane that gives you a 3/3 bird or 6/6 demon that burns you for 6 every upkeep unless you sacrifice “another creature” and choosing the demon because it’s funny.
This describes my Saskia the Unyielding deck so damn well
this is my new altime favorite video of yours, as well as of mtg in general. great stuff my man. you and eighthplacedave crack me up.
Thank you so much!
thank you for this wonderful lesson. I'm about to build and play a group hug deck for the first time today
Sneak out heliod/walking ballistic, or temple of the brood with flickering combo.
Or my favorite, have everyone draw out their decks- hands full of awesome sauce but dead at upkeep.
My table gets the choice between Santa and Krampus, and I bring out the stomp when they choose Krampus.
Seizan is fun because people love drawing cards, so even after I do some minor girlbossing by pinging them for 1 life for every card they'll still usually leave it alone. Usually people realize their mistake roughly around the time they start drawing 4 cards per turn and I play Sheoldred, the Apocalypse
I always loved cards like Fevered Visions and Cerebral Vortex. Put together a list with Xyris in commander meaning I don't get access to all the naught B cards but damn Seizan looks fun.
“At your end step I sacrifice emergence zone to flash in felidar sovereign before my turn”
Shadrix group hugging everyone until he swings for lethal commander.
Mono red group hug, heartless hidetsugo furnace of rath lightning greeves. You can be maniacal and ping yourself for 1 or end the game because the green player is upset the blue white control exists at the table. It helps to hand someone a sliver deck so no one notices the nuke youre planning to share. With everyone. Even yourself.
To this day my Kynaios and Tiro group hug deck is the only deck i have with a 100% win rate. The gaslighting is very important as is the girl bossing. Tidal Barracuda might be my favorite card because of the chaos it causes as well as locking people our from interacting with you on your turn.
I think my failure with group hug is probably the gatekeeping aspect.
It can be very difficult to navigate the transition between “I need to help them so they don’t kill me” and “oh god they are too strong now”
@@maldhound for sure, I despise the idea of helping anyone else out anyways, at least while playing magic lol. I'm all about hitting the gas as hard as possible and trying to get enough value to get ahead of 3 other people. My group hug deck lasted one game
I'd die laughing with an Aristocrat lesson!!
This is beautiful… you inspire me 🥲
I have a tendency to make decks that win sometimes, or win every time there is group hug decks in the pod☠️
That free ramp do hit different
And then there is the "group hug" deck that goes full chaos. I have played a list that stacks a ton of stuff like Grip of Chaos (all targeted spells/abilities reselect a target at random) and Hive Mind (whenever a player plays an instant/sorcery, all players copy it) to create an entirely uncontrollable game state. It really doesn't have a wincon beyond the absolute anarchy that such cards can cause.
Also, I have a "surprise mfer" deck that finished the game with Dovescape + Angel's Trumpet + Silent Arbiter/Dueling Grounds. It's not a great deck, but it's really funny because you play the entire first half of the game like a group hug build, and then use Angel's Trumpet to kill the opponent with their own creatures. Dovescape pretty much destroys peoples' ability to remove anything, and Arbiter effects make it so that players can only attack with 1 per turn (and the commander is Phelddigrif).
The biggest bummer I've learned is that tables generally hate those style of decks, I revised my Norin deck to be less chaossy because everyone got super annoyed. I love that stuff but my friends would groan whenever he came out. But it'll be a cold day in hell before I'll remove Confusion in the Ranks, though.
I love group hug and your content :)
Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis need your judgment passed on them.
Gods they do
My experience playing group hug deck is everyone draw lots of cards and everyone is super happy until the second sun approaches
Mines is usually when they look over and see it costs 11 mana per creature to attack me before counting the additional +1/1 counter tax
Group hug are irl politicians. You can’t change my mind
You know I actually just played a mono blue group hug deck a couple minutes ago and yai girl bossed successfully
This is how my Zur deck works. I make a pillow fort, put out a Dictate of Kruphix, a Temple Bell, and a Kami of the Crescent Moon, then just keep things down until I draw Approach of the Second Sun.
Now i wanna see you cover True Chaos (Troll) decks that run permanents like Grip of Choas (hope you like using a random number generator when trying to target), Timesifter (there is no turn order), knowledge pool (we play one deck now), gate to the aether (each upkeep that player reveals their top card and puts it into play if its a permanent), risky move (forced creature donation, every turn), pyxis of pandemonium (say bye to the top card of our libraries, and no its exiled face down what got exiled is a mystery), mindmoil (cast a spell? The rest of your hand goes on on the bottem of your library and you draw a new one unless i have Narset), confusion in the ranks (your stuff is now instead traded for your opponent's stuff, they get to play with your cards now), possibility storm (the spells you cast become the next matching card type in your deck, good luck), war's toil (tap all your lands or none, there is no in-between), hive mind (no its our instant and sorcery), and Eye of the storm (an ever growing list of instants and sorceries that all get copied whenever a new one gets added by being cast)
Oh and speaking of instants and sorceries what spells do these deck bring to the picnic?
Stuff like illicit auction (how much life will you or more importantly your opponents pay to have the target creature), theives' auction (we're drafting the current board state), goblin game (how is this not an uncard?), scrambleverse (nonland permanents get randomly redistributed), warp world (chaos warp but for all permanents in play) and of course mass land destruction like worldfire, obliterate, and apocalypse (we crossed the line of not caring about the social contract when i said grip of chaos).
Naturally I have a Jhoira of the Gitu deck running all of these.
Beautiful! I always got tempted with CHAOS while creating a Jhoira of the Gitu deck myself.
Partially for the lols and head scratches, and partially as a way to play Commander while simultaneously ensuring no one agrees to a game 2 as at the time I was a 90% modern/kitchen-table player and just wanted my friends to stop playing the format- by any means necessary.
I never built the thing as I only play with a pod of friends and I've heard that once you play a Chaos deck no one will ever allow you to bring that deck to the table again so I figured it would be a waste of sleeves and singles.
Do you have any luck with it? Do you sometimes read the table and keep that Snapcaster-> Scrambleverse in hand because of the frustration in the room? Dip out early before a shoe gets thrown?
@@DoABarrelRol1l It doesn't win often, but that was never the point. Sometimes it fails to be relevant in high power games, but in other games the deck will go into auto pilot mode where even I am strapped in with my opponents on this rollercoaster of pain and we all cheer when I finally am stopped.
@@Zero_The_Crow Ah okay so you play the villain at the table who doesn't mind getting put on blast I can see that working
@@DoABarrelRol1l Fun fact, my usual play group is full of people willing to play the villain.
Yes thats how i win with kenrith. I give everyone all the mana in the world, and all the card draw in the world, and when i achieve infinite mana i can either have my opponents draw their entire library or sanguine bond my opponents to death
"What's the matter buddy? I thought you like drawing cards? I just thought it'd be neat to let you draw all of them plus 1."
@@professorpantherhardraad3921 "what's the matter chief? Don't you like a 1000 / 1000 commander? What's that? Your commander is performing an act of betrayal? My my what an unexpected development!"
Your entire deck is group hug, o-ring effects, some enchantments that ping for 1, and Worldfire.
I am a very slightly more unhinged hug player.
Step 1: Gaslight them into thinking I'm ONLY going to be hugging
Step 2: Stockholm Syndrome. Lull them into a false sense of security by promising them I have no win-con (This is not a lie)
Step 3: Girlboss. Make every player loose their sanity as I then slap down as many chaos cards as I can while still having the hug cards remain active for everyone.
We're talking Eye of the Storm with Scatterverse casted onto it, Grip of Chaos, Possibility Storm, Shared Fate, Hive Mind, every last chaos style we can thing of that effects everyone at the table while causing completely unhinged magic and making every single players turn take at least 10 minutes as the absolute maddness of the game state continues to expand and grow until it becomes such an unplayable complicated mess that a single card cast takes 3 minutes or longer to sort out through all the triggers. Do not attack anyone, do not try and hurt anyone, simply reveal in the madness and suffering you have caused.
Top three Group Hug commanders.
I always see it as "I'll give you a hug but I happen to have my arms wrapped in barbed wire."
Sure you'll get some human connection but you'll also slowly bleed out as I just gently move my arms.
My favorite group hug/political commander is eldrich spymaster of treast.
Hey don’t hit me and we all get cards, I’m no threat while playing simic, not at all!
My group hug marisi deck adds Goad to make the 4 Gs of fun 😊
I play an izzet "group hug" deck thathas the most beneficial symeteical effects possible then a bunch of cards that force people to spend mana and attack. The goal? Get this metaphorical car to 250 Kph' and put a brick on the accelerator. Games always end in glorious fashion
This is my pheldda deck. I have suture priest, angel’s trumpet, and dingus staff lmao
honestly, my favorite group hug deck is Seizan, Perverter of Truth. I have been thoroughly rotted to the core and cannot play anything but mono-black so whenever I try to build an archetype I have to try mono-black first
Seizan is devious as fuck, a 2x Phyrexian Arena for everyone seems nice and friendly until I start burning you every time you draw through cards like Underrealm Dreams and Sheoldred, the Apocalypse, or Worst Fears you and use all the cards I've so kindly given you to kill the other players
Everyone LOVES me giving them free counters as Kros, until I can tap down entire boards at will and use the Eldrazi player and the tokens player as a stick to beat everyone else with
Shadrix agrees with all of this. Gotta manipulate everyone
I just had the worst kind of grouphug where they wouldn't let me kill our two mutual opponents either.
Fuck you, recurring Spore Frog. More like Bore Frog. Stop being a coward and let me kill them with Koma coils so I can get 12 triggers on Spawning Kraken. Since you can negate my combat damage at will at least wait until it's actually pointed at you.
Step 1: As a Yurlok player, Gaslight everyone by giving them ton of lands using Collective Voyage and double/triple the mana using Dictate of Karametra and/or Heartbeat of Spring.
Step 2: Gatekeep them by forcefully using their mana using War's Toll while Manabarbs and Overabundance is on the field. Double their suffering by playing Havoc Festival.
Step 3: Since you have tons of mana, Girlboss them by tapping all of your mana and using Earthquake/Rolling Earthquake/Molten Disaster/Exocrine to kill everyone in the table along with you.
I had two people in my friend group with group hug decks. They taught me to shoot the group hug player first
I built a Kenrith group hug deck that can win out of nowhere after gifting everything to everyone at the table to the point it's absolute chaos; but I rarely get to play a full commander game with 4 people and anything under 3 is a guaranteed guillotine to the king
Love your content, always makes me laugh. I eagerly await whatever dumb bullshit you put out next.
What is your stance on Maze’s End? I have a 5c Niv Superfriends deck that wins with scapeshift and amulet of vigor to make sure I can activate the ability.
Yeah my commander is Kami of the Crescent Moon. Youre right bud, I'm just playing mono blue group hug.
Huh, weird that I won right? I guess I just get lucky sometimes...*laughs in kami*
My favorite grouphug commander has gotta be the gay dads (Kynaios and Tiro). Land and card draw for all until that ramp and card draw gets used to bring out big MFin creatures to smash everyone’s face in.
Why does it sound like Grace Holloway from Bioshock is explaining Mtg to me 😂
Gluntch my beloved. That is all.
I have an Alrund group hug that provides massive card draw for all.
Nobody is afraid of the frail old man until I strap on some trailblazer boots or a prowler’s helm. Then they realize I have been drawing enough cards to turn Alrund into anime grandpa level of jacked and now he is coming to bring a boomer beat down.
At FNM this week I gaslit the table into turning on the Krenko player and having the player on my left give Alrund double strike with duelist heritage to kill with 28 commander damage out of nowhere.
As the years go on, we see more and more people jump on this platform with mediocre content trying to become content creators and live the dream. This is especially true with MTG, where countless people do pack openings or give their bad advice or terrible combos. This man is not those people. Fucking golden videos. Like, subscribe, and get this dude a chair next to Remy and The Prof.
Edit: Ok, I guess he already got a chair next to The Prof.
You should do a video on Tergrid God of Fright
King Kenny with a spore frog is wonderful with stuff that makes his abilities cheaper. People just deal combat damage ever for the measly price of one black mana a turn. Or just putting tainted remedy on the field to 'give' someone 5 life per white mana can be devastating. All the while, you're just messing around with everyones stuff while giving them more cards and tokens to play with. Still haven't won with the wincon happily ever after, though.
When you said permanents, the text on screen said "provide DN", pray tell, whatever could that mean?
What’s the red enchantment card at 1:27 called?
Should be mana barbs
Best group hug commander IMO? The new Rocco, especially with warp world. Goes nuttier than a whore house on a "Two for Tuesday" Deal
Gatekeep, Gaslight, Girlboss? Isnt that just Jeskai?
Gatekeep: im playing white, enjoy these taxes
Gaslight: yes I did use 3 counterspells on one person while ignoring the guy with 80 power on the board, but you should’ve held onto your interaction, you are the reason he won
Girlboss: yeah you know that 80/80 creature you just spent all that time putting counters on and enchanting? Yeah im playing red, count you hand it over to me real quick? That wasnt a question its on my board now.
Can you do Nicol Bolas, The Ravager?
does that sound proofing curtain actually work?
Oh it’s not sound proofing it was just hanging there
Gaslight with both card draw and life gain (Kwain)
Gatekeep with artifacts
Girlboss with handsize or life total win cons
Profit.... wait this never works because i counterspell too soon
Take my sub.
Thank you sir
Can phelddagrif get it?
Exile everything.
Left with a question. If I go all in on the first step without a desire to go to 2 or 3, am I group hug? I mean, my goal is to make everyone at the table play. Not allow, but enforce.
Phelddagrif players did NOT need this
Best girlboss is Insurrection.
I feel so seen 😊😅
I would be a fucking evil group hug player because in my friend groups while playing i have manipulated and orcastated gsmes until i am impossible to kill
The real danger is if anyone has the good sense to realise that magic is a zero sum game, and that group hug always benefits some players more than others...
It's fun to give everyone a bunch of creatures and then goading those creatures so they kill each other.
What the hell psychic bullshit is this? I was JUST making a deck like this today using Gluntch! The whole idea being buff spells and stuff, usually aiming for second place. My opponents get to have fun and play the game, I get to have the fun of negotiating and realizing thsi strategy is working. And since I play with a chill group of freinds when it’s just me and the final player I can beg them to just concede cuz think of how funny it would be.
I legit will do this snd go to locals BUT steps 1 and 2. Double bluff I'm just being a good person
I mean, Phabine is a great girlboss.
Nah step 3 is when you turn into group thug
What is DN?
Day 2 of asking for Gorex the Funny Self Mill Turtle, it would be Day 3 but I forgot yesterday
You can say my name I don't mind. I run the Gay Kings by default.
"and proceed to girlboss"
You may also choose to Work It, at your discretion
@@maldhound if I'm feeling extra I'll even yass queen
#JusticeforOsgir
Do enchantress decks
Day one of asking for thantis the warweaver
What if I do the opposite and make everyone lose everything all the time?
When you play Group Hug, run more protection than you'll ever need. Avacyn is your best friend.
Yeah, you're helping everyone, but as soon as those greedy friends of yours with think they're ahead, your generosity will make you the target.
I'm a Kenrith player, and I approve this message.
So Thassa's Oracle deck that is slow.
Hey now, they also play approach!
I prefer to call Group Hug decks that actually try to win "political control". As a Phelddagrif main myself, these players are literally just politicians that are too lazy to actually run for office.
Gotta run them smear campaigns "look at that filthy elves player they've casting spells practically for free, is that the kinda opponent you can trust endgame?" And what about the vampire player killing us by simply existing he's definitely evil, me tho I'm cool here's an extra card and +1/1 counter cuz I'm chill like that
Weird dating advice but ok. Lol
promo sm
Always kill the group hug player first.