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I was gonna buy a truck a while back brand new 2500 duramax chevy, and I was talking to my dad about it, and he said, I got that big ole red f350 at the ranch it's been sitting there for years, its a 2000 f350 7.3l, he said if you can fix her you can have her. He said the block was cracked and I checked, all it was a freeze plug popped off the side of the block, spent like 5 bucks put it in. New batteries, new starter and man it was ALIVE I TELL YA!!! damn thing has been running ever since, cleaned the oil cooler, new alternator, glow plugs, straight pipe, and a lot of little thing, No chip, and wow I can honestly say, my dad saved me from a 75k dollar truck payment. All I paid was a 7 dollar inspection fee, 75 dollars for registration, and 40dollars a month for insurance. It's a freaking monster!
Too bad international is who actually made the 7.3. Engine is the best part of the truck the rest is Campbell's soup cans.
The best truck to have is the one that does not have a payment.
No doubt
I Be Trollin' They Be Hatin' ain't that the truth💯💯
Amen.
That's a fact! Payments only make you a slave.
rather have an old beater that is paid for...payments just keep you broke.
To much electronic garbage on this new stuff. You pretty much have to have a computer to fix these new engines today. The dealerships love this so they can bend you over Everytime it needs work. The 7.3 diesels run forever with basic maintenance, can't say the same for the 6.0, 6.4. Even the 6.7 is having issues
Steiger: Here's another important thing to read. Note the comment about "complexity" and also about working the oil harder than any other engine. www.drivingline.com/articles/11-things-you-need-to-know-about-heui/
Haha yeah, I know it's REALLY bad....but I haven't done an oil change on my 7.3 in 2 years! Hahaha it's got a bad oil leak so I keep dumping a Qt. In a week! Running strong! But don't fret, probably gonna change the filter this weekend!
@@scottsiewert8165 you know if you throw some dye in you could actually find out where the leak is coming from. Might be a rear main seal or bad oil pan gasket.
I'll stick to my 1984 Dodge Power Ram W250, my alternator (50 dollars) went out and I changed it in a USPS parking lot in less than 15 minutes and went on my way like nothing happened. Had an exhaust leak and changed my exhaust manifold gasket in less than 5 minutes. My fuel pump is 2 bolts on the side of the block which takes less than 5 minutes and costs 15 dollars to change. I can increase or decrease my idle and fuel flow with a phillips screwdriver anytime I want. No coil packs that cost 100 dollars per cylinder, I have 1 ignition coil that costs 15 dollars. V-belts cost 5 dollars a piece and are a breeze to change. Water pump is 20 bucks, and worse case scenario a completely remanufactured engine is only 1000 bucks. And the same goes for the older Fords and Chevys too
I want to know where you buy parts for those prices!!!
ArcticAstrophysics
gotta be junkyard
Sorry but I like driving a new diesel pickup that’s reliable and under warranty. When the warranty is up I trade them. Then again I work my truck so.....
GuyFoxHimself
Geez, does it come with an "automatic tampon remover," too?
Heck, we just looked at the prices on new trucks and it's safe to say that unless someone runs over and totals our 2014 RAM Laramie 1500 it is probably the last new truck we will ever buy especially since we are about to retire and our incomes will be fixed from now on. They have priced new trucks out of the affordability of the average person unless you want to sell body parts.
David Parish How have they priced the "average" person out of the market when the F150 is one of the best selling vehicles, let alone best selling truck. Maybe you cant afford it, but it seems a while lot of folks can.
The Real John Smith Difference between can " afford a monthly payment stretched over 84 months" vs no payment.
this the f150 you can get into a crew cab, for $26k new. any f150 or 1500 size you can usually get for under $10,000 msrp
new trucks seem to pile on more and more discounts so you can't really look at the sticker price because that is not near the price you pay.
BassRacerx That just shows you, how much profit is beimg made
as a consumer, I feel like no matter how good of deal you worked. It's buyers remorse in the end. I mean damn. 80k and I could have a rent house and income coming in vs 80k and I'll spend same amount in maintaining it. WTH.
I think "cheaper and able to work on" does mean better than new vehicles. Also, 300k miles for $4,000 or pay $40,000 for a new truck and get the same 300k miles out of it. Better gas mileage might make up for it a little bit, but I would rather pay a little more at the pump every time than have a car payment anyways.
Kanglar preach it brother my trucks 30 years old and it's still my daily driver I love having the extra cash in my pocket when everyone else is complaining about their bills.
NOT TO MENTION INSURANCE 150 TO 350 A MONTH
You forgot about safety... New trucks are FAR safer than any older truck
@@jasonr6262 Maybe for the car i smash into, i'lll be just fine!
You can't argue certain things. An old 12v cummins can literally run off 3 wires technically. That's pretty hard to beat reliability wise. Not that new trucks are bad. Just different.
Just looked at a new Ford F450 and the price tag was $81,000 plus. You have to be nuts to pay this amount for a pickup!
For anything on four wheels.
For an F450 to be that much, it had to have the King Ranch trim I think.
huge depreciating asset; wonder how much value you lose in one year.
Ford, chevy and dodge to a lesser extent are selling cars in Europe at tremendous losses; European's don't like American cars!! Why are we giving cars away in Europe on the backs of Americans paying 80000.00 for a f**king pickup! It must be their pride that's hurt!!!!
Inflation and making trucks more because our dollar is loosing value
I can only speak for my own truck. 1988 GMC 2500. I bought it from the original owner, someone at work in 1993 for $6,500 with 105,000 miles on it. The man said he didn't like the low oil pressure as he told me so at the 25,000 mile mark he dropped the oil pan and installed a higher pressure oil pump and at the same time installed a steel timing chain and gear set. In 1999 the odometer quit working at 194,000 miles. I have had over time had to replace the transmission. I drove it up until recently and it was taken out for now with a deer collision. The truck's original air conditioning still worked from the factory. Up until the crash the engine had 30lbs oil pressure at idle in gear, 60lbs driving on the highway, with no oil usage between changes. I plan on repairing the front end to continue driving the truck. It has been great and has done everything I needed to do with the truck. 350 engine, 3.73 locking 14-bolt rear end, 34 gallon tank.
Buying a New Truck Would be Fine if it Were Reasonably Priced ! $50,000 to $60,000 dollars for a Truck is insanity ! $90,000 for your truck is insanity ! if They Priced Trucks more reaonably so the Average Middle class Person could afford one Without it being 1/4 the Price of a House. There is no Reason in Hell a Metal Box with a Engine and Transmission should be $60,000 .
OcRefrigeration,Hvac & Electrical. You obviously haven’t driven a modern full-size truck, then. If you have, you would quickly discover those $60,000 trucks aren’t JUST metal boxes with an engine and transmission. If you want one like that, go order a base, no frills model for around $35,000. For the rest of the world, manufacturers will continue making what the people want and are willing to pay for. And that means we will keep seeing these prices for trucks with so much capability and technology.
What I don't get is 8-10k to upgrade to diesel. So you basically want them to pay for the full price of the diesel engine and trans but you still keep the gas setup? C'mon, that is just crazy.
New trucks are the prices of a small house .
Screw all that! I have a 95 Ranger & a 97 F350 with a 7.3.
I will stick with my old trucks .
Horse is Crazy that’s not a bad thing if you don’t mind working on them. There is a price for everything and as a 20+ year ASE Master tech I can tell you that there comes a point where a vehicle note becomes better than constant repairs to old vehicles. Sooner or later something very expensive will break, will the vehicle around it be with the cost of the repairs? Usually that answer is no. J/s
871jamie yeah that's because people don't appreciate what they have.
Carl Lennen My friends 2001 GMC 2500 with a 6.0 gets 12 mpg on average. His girlfriend's 2016 Chevy 2500 with the 6.2 and 6 speed gets 10 mpg on average. Plus like you said parts and insurance and everything is cheaper. The older trucks are better designed trucks and cost a lot less then something new. I'll never buy anything new either.
waterloo123100 6.0 litre vortec are pretty incredible motors. I think it is one of the many great gm motors
@@871jamie : ( never knew you replied ) As of 2019 ; On the 95 Ranger 2.3 litter . I put in all new a/c. New transmission and clutch.
Replace leaking gaskets. The front and rear are all new brakes. Fixed a air leak that caused me to loose power. All maintenance continue and runs like a champ. And quiet .
On my dullay 97 F350, it's a 7.3 . 300k plus miles and runs solid. Small oil leaks as always in these.
New brakes as well . All stock motor with just keeping up with maintenance. Went ahead and replaced clutch and throw out bearing. I've spent some thousands on them. And worth it. Next will be new injectors and glow plugs ; plus new sensors.
Getting paint jobs on both . Nothing fancy ; after all these are work trucks.
The 95 & 97 continues to make me money and I have no problems putting money into ole boys. ( they are both males ; my 2000 dt466e International is just like a female ) Works when she wants to.
Big Truck Big RV didn't mention that the vehicle manufactures almost make it impossible for third party mechanic shops to get a hold of the diagnostic software the dealerships unfairly use. In fact there is a case in the supreme court where the vehicle manufacture claim they still own the vehicle you are driving and only lease you a license to use their vehicle. Vehicle manufactures are claiming individual and third party mechanics shops are not allowed to repair/modify their vehicles and doing so violates their patents. John Deer is also fighting against farmers who want the right to repair their farming equipment themselves or third party shops since John Deer has a long turn around time which impacts their farming season. Also in some places there isn't a John Deer services area for thousand of miles. Even computer printers manufactures who sell those microchipped ink cartridges to prevent third party ink cartridges from working on their printers has gone to the supreme courts. Its all a ploy to monopolized the industry and eliminate competition (Capital economy).
My 76 F-150 was the best truck I ever had. It had over a million miles on it with one rebuild, the guy I sold it to a few years ago is still driving it today.
88 Chevy Alternator.... $15 bucks from salvage yard, changed with minimal tools at night in a snowstorm and in under ten minutes. This is one reason people prefer older vehicles.
When those came out...people were saying the same thing about the 70's trucks! There were lots of complaints about how "complicated" those trucks were.
That's pretty damn impressive of a grab considering there's probably more than $15 of raw copper in that alternator.
I call bs
Getting a 2000 F-350 XLT 4x2 7.3L diesel. Some small rust around lower door panels on the inside but nothing that can't be buffed off and repainted. Runs great and it's in better shape than I was at 17. 😎
Well after further study (crawling under the truck) my grandson found all the cross-members were rusted so badly they would need to be replaced as well as one heat shield. And the oil pan was badly rusted. About $2500 to replace. I'm too old to take on any projects of this size.
That having been said there's a mechanically descent 2000 F350 dually diesel truck at Roland Rich Ford in Delavan, IL.
Mike Silvernail that dealer looks like a wholesaler selling truck with over 300,000 miles on them...
Mike Silvernail i got 3 with over 300,000miles on them
@@mikesilvernail5530 Lucky bastard
Older trucks are like , when men were men ,nowadays trucks have a little femeine flayer , like wearing skinny jeans.
Mars1313: kind of like Smartphones right? Real men use Bagphones..
Big Truck Big RV lol I still use smoke signals...
Does that new automatic truck come with a hook to hang your purse Nancy?
GMC=Gay Man's Chevy
*flair
96 F-150 with the 300 straight six.
Best gasser engine Ford ever made.
300 c.u. in. straight 6, modified to the hilt ,4bbl carb, try finding that manifold !! put it in a 32 ford Victoria body, raced 358's . They told me I was in the wrong class. After a lot of them only saw the back of that Vicky. Probably could have made it a diesel, the compression was so high. At idle it sounded like firecrackers.
the 460 is the best gasser Ford ever made. 7mpg with or with out a load.
Ive never had any problems with my 93 or 96 302s im not used to the 300 straight 6 just used to 302 and 351.
12 on the fwy...no?
Ditto.
everyone ought to buy code readers. times have changed. dont give up on classic cars and trucks, keep yesteryear alive. chevypower
Karl Stenbeck qa qa as
I think you are correct for the most part. However, one thing that does make the new vehicles less reliable is all the complexity. The reason old cars are easy to work on is they don't have all the computers. By adding all those sensors and computers you greatly increase the complexity and with that complexity often comes higher failure rates. There is simply more that can go wrong. While the core engine components may be rock solid you are more prone to having electrical and computer problems and when those problems arise if they aren't dealt with quickly they can cause permanent damage to the engine. It's all a trade off. New trucks and cars offer many features and are much much safer than older cars, but they are more complicated and some of that will translate into more failures for owners and higher costs of repair.
look. new trucks got computers, old ones do not. quite naturally, the computer can not go bad on an old engine. and actually its true for most stuff, old trucks where TRUCKS, work tools. and since most people live now in some city instead of rural, the trucks of nowdays are mere toys vs the old ones. they are not designed as old ones where. owning a new car means it has well planned obselence in it. back then they where pretty mutch made to last.
currently 214k on my 2013 duramax. Drives, pulls and performs the same as the day I got it. I just change fluids and filters above recommended intervals. A few sets of tires and front breaks - rotors and pads at 188k. Tempting to get a new one but then I'll worry more about keeping it clean and the new ones aren't that much more capable than my current model. Always enjoy your videos!
Average folks can't afford to pay for the newer trucks or pay for the maintenance that comes with them. The days of the shade tree mechanic are long gone.
my grandfather's 81 datsun had over 730 000 miles
While I agree with what your saying to an extent! 2 out of the 10 brand new fords in out fleet are already back to the dealer. Our early 2000"s ford 250/350s where total work horses and a pleasure to plow/work with! These new trucks just are not as planted, they dent way easier, they don't plow as well. As for the ecoboost it is hit or miss, I have a friend as a ford tech who told me to steer clear of the ecoboost engines because of prone failures to a flawed design that ford knows about but does not seem to care very much about correcting, you just can't argue the tried and true reliability of a n/a pushrod v8.
just had my 2013 ecoboost timing chain come apart that was the last straw for me. i had already had to deal with 2 sets of spark plugs, inter cooler issues and overall random chugging. my buddy works for ford performance and flat out told me to stay away from the ecoboost. I had to learn the hard way. my next truck will be a ram or a GM because their engines are simpler, fewer moving parts and in the real world they get better fuel economy. also new engines are great in some respects but lets be honest they are judged differently now. its tail pipe emissions and claimed fuel efficiency. its now retine to take the heads off your engine to have the valves cleaned.....even if it was a simple engine and people worked on them in their garage historically that would never be considered a great engine if it required that kind of maintenance. your video is more about "the times have changed, the rules have changed" and with the new rules the new engines are pretty good.
I care about the score you care about fantasy points on sunday.
Jess W Old Dodge engines are better than Toyota.
My company's work truck (only 3 guys driving it from new so it was never abused) is a 2011 F550 that has constantly been in the shop. Tons of front end problems with everything getting changed 3 times over. And tons of emission problems on the 6.7L engine. At 60,000 miles a glow plug malfunction burnt a hole in the piston. It was cheaper to have a rebuild engine put in it than all the labor hours to tear down the original engine. Now the truck has 70,000miles on it and is already back in the shop twice for emission problems.
My 1991 F-250 XLT Lariat with it's 7.3 (with a aftermarket Banks Turbo installed in 1994) and 5 speed manual is still running strong after 200k+ miles. You can't buy a truck now, if it's not a manual it's not a truck.
I'm still driving a model T. screw all these balloon tires and air conditioning. it has 5,324,343,556,953 miles on it, but it's still going strong. it's the best vehicle ever made.
What I find way more often in newer vehicles is the plastic body and crappy interiors falling apart around the engine.
Also you can take your 68-69 F150 and go jump sand dunes, pull stumps etc. Oops! Ran into a tree...poor tree.
Your 2017 F150 shouldn't be driven off the pavement.
1970 I was a child, I remember every time we went to the store or to church you could count no less then 2 cars broken down on side of the road, and at times you could see up to 5 vehicles broke down by the time you got there, today's vehicles are 100 times better then they used to be
You know I love my 2000 7.3 with a 6 speed dually and I plan to own it until I die, but it is a complicated motor, especially with the HEUI injection but it still isn't nearly as complicated or sophisticated as these new diesels. Every time I work on a newer Diesel I'm floored at the changes year to year, and I'm an ASE certified master technician. I love my truck more than anything but I wish it had half the power of these new trucks. My truck is mildly suped up and I'm still not pushing nearly as much power as any new stock Diesel from the big 3. Also has less than half the pulling power. But we love our old trucks for all the reasons you just said. Great narrative
Think what many are referring to would be basically all modern diesel engines are unreliable pieces of garbage due to emissions systems, this is quite true ever since the DEF systems were installed. On our 30 day, RV trip 3500 miles five states nine camp grounds I came across three Diesel trucks two Fords (2015, 2017) & one Chevrolet (2014) all three had emissions issues leaving their owners stranded. I chugged along with my Gas motor less HP & less torque, but I did it reliably. Emissions systems on these newer trucks are CRAZY expensive out of warranty and in many cases are indeed less reliable.
Working at a dealership, I've seen many of these rack up the miles like the old ones. Many people get stranded because they forget to refill the DEF, or fail to do the recommended maintenance. Hell, one customer had a 2014 F-350 he put 600k miles on in 2 1/2 years using it for only delivering large campers. Only money he put into it was a high-pressure fuel pump and regular scheduled maintenance.
These newer vehicles (as a whole) have a much lower failure rate on the components. But they have hundreds, if not thousands more items that can fail so they will still have issues. And as he said in the video, the huge amount of computers and other high tech parts as well as the space available, make it only possible to have skilled technicians fix them. Waiting on their schedules and the increased number of parts put into the vehicle all feed to our notions that newer vehicles break down quicker and are really overpriced (which they are, just not nearly the extent people think).
More or less sums it up.
T i have 3 2016 f350 and 2 96 f350 my 96 f350 never had a single issue all three of my 2016 f350 constantly going to the shop for abs failure and grounding issues 1 of my 2016 f350 has had 2 harnesses replaced in 3 weeks i had the truck back 1 day and right back at dealer. So would you say i just picked 3 bad trucks off the lot or are you just lying becouse the techs here said thees trucks have this issue a lot. And the tech also said i was correct that mid to late 7.3 models are a lot less prone to problems if they are kept stock
thats why the govt makes you use those trouble maker emission systems, so the trucks will break down
Tyler K. Your spot on man. The one that gets me is have you ever noticed that when you do have a problem its usually a sensor for the computer. Go figure.
One thing everyone should do is buy a OBD2 reader and pull the codes, even if it is under warranty. You don't need to know a lot but at least you have a pretty good idea what you are supposed to hear when you drive in for repair. I have always pulled my codes and knew what I need to do and would fix it. Now that I am older and have a newer truck, I will still always pull the code before I take it in. NO SURPRISES!
Is it that people who buy the latest new car or truck don't keep up with maintenance and that is why the vehicles are failing early?
DavesLife100: no, it's more that there are hundreds of thousands more pickups on the road. More people use them as their everyday vehicle. More people use them as a family vehicle. As a whole, they are being driven more by more people. The expectations of trucks has changed from a work only vehicle for men to that of a universal family vehicle that can be an everyday as well as work vehicle. As a rule of percentages, you're likely to see more repairs needed as more less mechanically inclined people own and drive trucks.
It will be recalled for frame failure (spare tire falling out) before that.
Only minor repairs has been done on my 05 Silverado and it has near 200k still runs reliably smooth
Mine to....love my 05 Duramax
'01 same
Safety... something my older dually could not do though I really liked it. 2017 duramax comes down off the passes here in Oregon at 42 miles an hour on the engine brake with 22000 lb trailer and no sustained brake use. It's so sweet the way the tow haul mode integrates with the engine brake. Safety!
80k + for a 2017 1ton is just nuts! I will drive my 2001 5.9 for the rest of my life! I can fix anything or everything and be way ahead!
We love our 1998 Ford F-150 Super Cab with a Triton 4.6 V8. We just turned over 145,000. She runs great! My husband is able to do minor maintenance and we do take it in if we need to but he has replaced a starter, front brakes and has done oil changes. He loves this truck.
they need to bring the 4x4 on floor get rid of this button shit
I agree, I'm not sold on pushbutton 4wd. They are designing trucks too nice and cushy they are no longer going to be like a truck in the coming years.
My 03 z71 has buttons
My 2017 F350 has the Manual Shift on Stop with the floor mounted shift lever and I love it! I bought the truck on a dealer lot.
You can usually order trucks with the floor shift. Dodge and Ford it is a bit easier, Chevy their WT (Work Truck) lines have floor shift standard. But SIlverados, LT and LTS and their GMC counterparts, usually have the button or knob 4x4, but you can order them with the floor shift.
I've got a 1993 Ram Cummins manual. You might be right you might be wrong but to me it doesn't get better than a 12v Cummins
Robert Smith The 12v Cummins is like your grandfather's toaster. Yeah it's old and looks kinda rough, but it works really well and still makes some damn good toast. I love the 1st and 2nd gen Cummins engines.
Got a 92 12V with a 5spd myself. Will never sell it!
You just don't get it... until you articulate the argument properly for non-modern trucks, you're opinion just doesn't matter. It's not honest to say old truck guys are just envious, have to justify what they've got, or can't work on them.
Modern trucks are disposable appliances. Good for you if you love them, more power to ya.
Talk to more loggers, farmers, contractors, etc. Imagine if your relied on your truck in a real way. Many truck owners live/work rural and remote, hundreds of miles from a dealer. Many work where there is no cell service or reliable support.
Would you buy a new truck if you had to pay cash?
Would you work that truck as your sole vehicle?
Would you keep it for 300,000 plus miles, long after warranty expiration?
nrthrn stncrft: brand new trucks today will be 30 year old trucks in 30 years. This exact argument took place 25 years ago when power seats/windows, better stereos, automatic AC controls and more comfortable seats were just become popular in pickups. Guess what, the majority of the people making the case for older trucks today are driving around the trucks people questioned 25yrs ago. That should tell you something.
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Fair enough, I think there's more to it though. New vehicles are exponentially more complicated and technology dependent, that's the nature of technology. I doubt there will be reasonable support to fix a contemporary touch screen controled hvac or a dpf/egr/def system 30 years from now. But that's not the point... The trucks we drive today (yes, I have modern diesels too) are not market facing like they were even 15 years ago. The manufacturers are not trying to satisfy me the consumer as much as they are the rules and regs of epa, dot, etc. etc. Think of the people and institutions that can justify the economics/ROI of a new truck. They obviously build trucks more for government contracts and RV baby boomer pensioners than say, a logging company.
Take away the low interest money and/or dealer incentives and the whole idea falls apart... have you ever wondered how much of what you're paying is for the 100,000 mile warranty, or all the R+D etc. for exhaust system/treatment, or the elaborate - almost creepy safety equipment? Older trucks had slightly different priorities- mostly efficiency and reliability.
I appreciate the conversation!
nrthrn stncrft: I agree that a significant portion of development and materials and in-turn, customer cost, is to cover emissions requirements (that I think are excessive as the next guy). That alone probably accounts for 15% of the actual total build cost. That being said, I don't miss the smell of diesel exhaust that use to be extremely common within a 30ft radius of any idling diesel pickup (I deckhanded on fishing boats when I was younger and the diesel smell will drive you nuts). However, manufacturers are also making trucks as well equipped as luxury cars, which isn't a bad thing....more over, it's expected as technology improves. Kind of the same reason smart phones need to keep getting smarter with better screens, cameras, and processors. People no longer settle for minimalistic. Only a very small part of the population wants a bare bones truck these days. Low truck sales means manufacturers have no reason to produce trucks. As more entry level cars like Hyundai start putting Crazy high end technology in their entire lineup, it's expected that companies like Ford, RAM, and GM will do the same, even with pickups. Crazy to see things like Bluetooth, backup cameras, and touchescreens coming standard in even low end vehicles. Lexus proved that even well equipped vehicles can be outrageously reliable.
Damn that thur newfangled fyool injerction. It's just a fad it'll never last. *spit*
dchawk81Brilliant argument!
'73 Dodge Polara... 7 years into it's life @ 65,000 miles - massive rust and bad transmission. '78 Pontiac Firebird... LESS than 30,000 miles @ 5 years into life - rust, arm rests falling off, console & dash cracked, white smoke from exhaust when starting & accelerating. Neither car was EVER close to either coast, and were kept garaged and maintained according to factory book. I'm old enough to have owned & driven new cars from the early 1970s. There was a dramatic change after the oil embargo which forced American manufacturers to lighten the steel and also saw the beginning of real competition from imports. These growing pains were evident in some of the literal junk that was produced during the 70s & 80s. The difference between pre- 1970s vehicles and today's is that the industry now just produces a commodity. Emphasis is 95% on gadgets & tech, with a strong push for normalizing a credit/financing mentality. A valuable "good little consumer" is one who trades that obsolete vehicle in every four years to finance a shiny new one; JUST to keep the wheels of commerce greased. Look how identical cars & trucks are today... They are literally clones of each other! Ford, Dodge, Chevy, Toyota... fanboys are the only ones who have an ingrained perception of product superiority. By the way, save enough to pay cash for a new vehicle. Do the math & pay yourself the equivalent payment (put into a savings account...which you would have pissed away to a bank). In four to five years, withdraw the money and repeat. Now... guess how many have the discipline to execute that plan? This is just a symptom of a MUCH larger problem that I think most are aware of, but simply are afraid to face. My (paid for) 2017 F-150 is a very nice truck... under $40 grand. I take very good care of it both mechanically & cosmetically. I'm mechanically minded and capable, but know my limits. This truck is light years ahead of the 1970s model cars I previously owned. However, looking closely at how this truck (ALL trucks today) is built shows me just how ridiculously overpriced they are! Crawl under a new truck. Look closely at the plastic, cardboard and foam. This stuff is great for lightweight, but it's monetarily CHEAP! The steel (and aluminum) is paper thin, mass produced vacuum-formed/injection molded plastic is everywhere, and the 4-wheel drive mechanicals are from 20 year-old parts bins. $70,000 for a pick-up truck? Seriously?? My prediction is you'll find many of these on repo lots soon because a $500+ payment vs food and eviction are powerful motivators for fanboys who had poor financial judgement skills. But again... just a sign of a much larger problem.
Got new '17 Ford F-150 Platinum FX4 Ecoboost. Phenomenal truck! $60k. Ecoboost will last just fine do strict maintenance & good quality motor oil every 5k mis. Our '16 Lincoln MKZ AWD Ecoboost runs great too. We perform strict maintenance on our expensive high tech vehicles. #Ford #Ecoboost
Big Truck Big Rv, I have to agree with you on this one. I learned to drive on my Dad's 48 ford farm truck. Flathead V8, non-synchronized transmission that you had to double-clutch shifting up and try to match the engine speed shifting down. A hand choke that dumped raw fuel in the cylinders until the engine would get warm enough to run without the choke. A crankcase scavenging system that consisted of a breather packed with what resembled steel wool on the oil filler tube and a down tube that vented the crankcase down and into the atmosphere. Like a lot of flatheads the block had a crack between the intake and exhaust valve and the old man had to run water in the summer and alcohol in the winter so it didn't get in the oil. And, an oil bath air cleaner, no power steering or brakes and a small box heater with a door that barely put out any warm air in those cold Iowa winters. Yeah, you could work on it with a crescent wrench, a screwdriver and a pair of pliers and I wouldn't have wanted to miss those times for a million dollars, but I wouldn't go back for a million dollars either.
Very true, my 97 Z71 continues to run strong at 200,000 miles. Maintenance is key,
I paid 55K for my ram 3500 in 2009. I swore I'd never buy a new truck again. Still loving my"09 Ram. Nine years and still running badass
2016 F150 and had issues, was in the shop for a week, has under 10K and bought it brand new.....now not all ecoboosts are bad because of this, but you buy brand new for piece of mind. I hate to say it, but the automotive industry employs all types of tactics to keep sales going, even when they know they should have a recall. Example, the ecoboost. Things happen, but Ford auto mechanics would rather buy the V8 coyote over the ecoboost in almost all cases, don't believe me, check out town and country ford the sales rep goes into the shop and almost all take the V8 for its RELIABILITY
Same here I have a 79 f250 4x4, I maintain it and fix it when needed it rarely needs fixin I worked on the carb a week or so ago..Its a joy to drive.
Some valid points but good grief - are you saying the latest diesel trucks with dfp, egr, etc are just as reliable as the old 12v cummins, or the 6.0 Ford is as reliable as the 7.3? Give your head a shake!
What i like about older Trucks is you can still wrench on them. Newer vehicles have way to many electroncal componets or very poor compent placing makes what used to be Quick repair jobs that took 15-25 minutes, turn into Hours long projects. I currently have a 1992 F-150 that ive upgraded to a 1 ton Leaf Spring Capacity. Id like to buy a brand new F-150 once im out of Collage. But my 92 wont be going anywhere, was my first vehicle and i hope ill have it long enough for it to be my last.
300,000 miles? That's funny! If it were true why don't they have 300,000 mile warranties?! The only warranty we were offered for our 2016 Chevrolet Trax is 20,000 miles! Kinda tells more Chevrolet isn't very confident of their vehicles! Can't even get 100,000 mile warranty! On top of so low mileage warranties it's only good for 2 years!
For me, older vehicles are better because they didn't have all these sensors that go out every time you turn around! Inevitably always goes out AFTER the warranty ends! Those sensors are expensive to replace. Probably the reason warranties are so short!
79 Wagoneer 360 with quadra-trac 318,647 miles it finally quit.
The only thing I had to change was the lifters and pushrods, and of course basic maintenance. I had to rebuild the front axle and replace a
ton of U-joints.
I have an 03 F150, it replaced a 2011 F150 EcoBoost. My 03 has less power but overall will be much more reliable and easier to fix. I'm not interested in new trucks, I'll keep my 03 for years.
Thank you once again. I work on my own cars, once it was a necessity for country/outback driving in Australia. Now with a new vehicle, I just open the hood and close it again. So I agree with you. We love your channel.
We are entering the age of the throw away vehicle. What's happening is after some of these things fail and when they do the vehicle will have deprecated to the point that the cost of repair by putting it in the shop will be much greater than the vehicles value. I personally like simplicity because if it's cheap and simple the value of having a running vehicle is always greater than cheap and easy replacement of components.
I guarantee whoever buys A $80,000 truck, won't be disposing that anytime soon....
Very optimistic life spans you mention. Gasoline engines last 180.000 miles on average, diesel engines last 250.000 miles on average. But when is a car economically totalled when something breaks? With the new, complex machinery nowadays, it will take the shop longer to find the problem and longer to fix it. Those hours will have to be paid. Therefore modern engines are economically totaled sooner. That is the rationale behind accepting the horrendously complex technology needed to comply with environmental and energy efficiency standards by the manufacturers of engines.
New diesels are trash. Thank the EPA.
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Very true, I have a 2016 GMC Sierra 2500 with the 6.0 and for a newer truck this engine is like working on an older engine. I can change my own spark plugs, change the oil, clean the mass flow air sensor and much more. I love the fact that I can do my own maintenance rather than paying a shop and mechanic price which adds up huge.
I have a 2016 ram 1500 big horn edition crew cab got an awesome deal on it 13000 off it's been an awesome truck so far the 5.7l Hemi has got as much as 24.1mpg
To me it's not the engine reliability but other factors (some you mentioned) that cause me to prefer older trucks. Newer trucks fold up like a tin can during an accident. Even a low speed collision causes a lot of damage and is very expensive to repair. I hit a deer at about 50 mph with very little damage to my 88 gmc suburban. I've also enjoyed the ease of maintenance and low cost parts, not to mention cheap insurance and tag. And finally new trucks don't feel like trucks anymore. They have accessories that would make a mercedes owner jealous, and have a ride as smooth as glass. I'm old school, I actually remember when a new car off the lot would pull a decent size trailer, and choosing between leaded and unleaded gas at the pump.
I was really getting into this video when I fell asleep. Riding in the car does that to me.
Nicely said. I have a 1995 Chevy 1500 and I've changed just about everything in the truck except the engine. Is original with 257k on it. And on top of that it would be more miles on it but I haven't did it in 3 years. I just hate too many cars to keep up with right now.
I like your videos there great. I am a older truck guy for sure I currently drive a 1999 24 valve cummins I have 315,000 miles daily driver zero blow by. The truck I drove before this was. A 2003 cummins with 698,000 miles before I rebuilt motor and I consistently got 24 mpg with that truck. I did rebuild the motor at that milage because a lost a piston but it was not the trucks fault it was mine I was racing a little Honda and I was not going to let him win obviously a 9500 pound truck verses a 500 pound car agh ya I won. I had it set on my 250 HP tune and lost the piston. But my point being is I will never buy gas truck again and I will only buy 1993-2005 cummins. I have had exceptional good luck with cummins lasting for ever and costing me very little money to keep on road. I have e had other diesel power stroke and Duramax and they cost me so much money I felt like I had made the worst financial decision of my life. The only reason I don't go out and buy a 2017 cummins is I can't get my self to go in debt 75,000 dollars for a vehicle when I can spend 5500 on a 24 valve that can do the same thing and has no EPA emissions and gets great mpg. Is my 99 as nice as a 2017 no way but I work oilfield and I don't want a nice truck with what I do for work it will get ruined. Keep making videos I like them God bless
That's why I like my one owner 1990, I can fix it 9 times out of 10. The ole girl just turned 376,000mi and I'm planning on driving her till the 350 says it's had enough, at which time I'll do a GM crate motor or a LS swap. I'll agree with your statement on the duramax diesel also, I service 2 with over 500k & a third with 425k and I've replaced one water pump between them.
Nothing can beat a cummins 6BT (5.9 and 6.9)
Loving my ‘18 F150 and though I will never put a wrench to the engine I will faithfully get it serviced at the dealership and fix problems as they come. That’s what I have done in the past and works out just fine for me. 😀👍🏼
Not only harder but a hell of allot more expensive too.
SILVERADO THE KING OF TRUCKS you got that right. One of the reasons I drive a 98 dodge ram with the good ol 318.
james moore I've got a 98 dodge ram 1500 with 267k miles
The water pump on a 350 Chevy you mentioned was under 200 to replace in a shop. Its over 1,200 on a Duramax. All new vehicles are engineered to drive the repair work to the dealership for repair costing you thousands of dollars for expert service and inflated prices.
25 years as a mechanic tells me old or new makes no difference. All about maintenance. If you fix it it will last. If you don't it will not. Newer just cost more. Pay to play.
And don't forget, ALL newer vehicles with an ECU are 100% vulnerable to an EMP attack. Thus, rendering them into boat anchors.
I love your videos but let me give some tough love.
You traded your last truck in with under 20,000 miles. Based on the truck you did drive and currently drive you must do relatively well in your line of work WHICH IS AWESOME DONT GET ME WRONG keep that up. However, when you put 40-80k a year on a truck and are faced with doing some work yourself a person tends to place some additional weight in other areas where you may not. This may come from past experiences, to your point how mechanically included they are, pride in their vehicle etc. the bottom line is though you have your opinion and I respect it I think it's flawed in the sense of the current mood of consumers as it pertains to how and why they use their trucks and what their needs and capabilities are based on more than just a few factors.
Keep it going man. You do good work!
Machining tolerances make mechanical parts more reliable,that's a fact.
But the goal is to sell you a car/truck regularly,so there is a lot of other parts ,like sensors,emission systems,actuators of every sort,wich cost a lot,and a lot on labor ,that will make you choose a new vehicle over a repair.
programmed obsolescence is not a theory...
vehicles are produced,then sold,with little benefit,money is made on maintenance,at the dealer,during the warranty period.
Add plastic parts to your list....maybe when electric cars come available you'll own your car for 50+ years....then hand it down to your grandchildren....LoL.
Check the fluids every month and change oil and filter using a severe service interval.
Your driving in corpus!!! I knew it!! Hello from Houston! I drive a 2005 f450 6.0 powerstroke halfass bullet proofed. Egr delete, cat delete, coolant filtration, fass fuel filtration and water separator, upgraded oil cooler and that's about it. So far so good!
Ive found when dealing with a dealership my vehicle comes back to me with more wrong with it after they "fix" it. Baling twine and bondo...what ever it takes my 92 will out live me.
I drive a 2005 F-350 Turbodiesel with the Manual 6 speed, Currently, it has 395,000 miles, and a lot of them are towing miles.
My Boss bought a virtually identical truck, only it's a 2013. The thing handles great, performs great, pulls great... when it actually works. It spends more time broken than not. The most recent problem, something to do with the DEF system, a sensor, malfunctioned and killed the truck on a highway while pulling a work trailer to a job site.
I dont wanna brag but.... I've added Def to my duramax quiet a few times. You could say i'm an lml mechanic
I am my own technician/mechanic. Here is the master difference between old and new. Troubleshooting engine electronics is actually very easy and most parts are not hard to replace, even on brand new engines. The cardinal difference is what happens when your diesel specifically is no longer under warranty. I have a 2006 ford 6.0, it's notoriously full of weaknesses however has inherent strengths too. What I don't have is DEF or a REGEN system ($$$$$$$$$$$$$), I don't have a two stage turbo ($$$$). I just spoke about over $10,000 worth of a few parts that I will never fix or pay to have fixed. If I replace my engine including new injectors, turbo, etc.. I still spend far far less on my truck overall.
I bought my truck for $21,000 at the time with 100,000 miles on it 3 years ago. After getting my own Ford IDS system, installing new injectors (including refurbishing all surrounding components), new batteries, new tires, new shocks, new steering components, etc... I still have not even gotten close to $70,000 and my truck is VERY reliable. When my turbo dies or an injector goes out, I won't stand a chance at loosing an emissions system that cost the value of my truck to fix (also I can have my engine bulletproofed in this equation). If my transmission goes, I still won't even start to approach $70,000. The worst part is, even if I paid to have all the aforementioned fixed, I still don't approach $70,000. So the contrast is emissions systems. For long term owners like my self, it's not about how hard something is to fix, it's about how expensive the parts are. A 1997 7.3 will cost a far cry less than my 6.0 to fix, it's very long term friendly on ownership. MY 6.0 costs a far cry less than your new 2017. If you upgrade to a new truck every year, you'll never notice. If you are a long term owner like me, you think differently.
I run a trucking company. One of my base calculations is average repair costs over a given amount of time and miles. A complete DEF system on a semi cost almost half the price of your new pickup. So we take longevity research very seriously.
got 80s ford with a 300 6....34yo purrs like a kitten
It also depends on what part of the country you live in. For example, if you live in a state that uses salt on the roads in the wintertime, unless you extensively take measures to protect the vehicle's undercarriage, you're likely going to be replacing that vehicle in a few years due to a rotting frame/floor panel, etc.
The use of aluminum helps save fuel but the thin body panels and huge amount of unneeded electronics make newer vehicles piss poor
My 2003 Chevy 2500 HD with a 6.6 Duramax has just over 446,000 miles and it has been maintained well, been one of the best trucks I have owned. Like you said, it all depends on how you drive them and how you take care of them.
IF there were no emissions, today's vehicles would be the best...
The reason old vehicles seem to last a long time is the only ones still on the road are ones with a lot of miles on them. The ones that broke are in the scrap yard. This makes older vehicles seem very reliable.
Id rather work on my own car. I don't want to buy anthing made after 2007
I do not know how to work on my truck. I had a 1994 GMC Sierra and sold it at 16 yrs old and she had 157,000 miles on her. It was a six cylinder and I hauled my small quarter horse trailer, 14ft Wahoo boat and kayaks. I did regular oil changes, lube and filters. Regular up keep with brakes, tires, battery and I added heavy duty shocks. I only repaired an alternator and ac and starter. I am in the Fl the ac runs 8 months out of the yr. I miss Gem my GM but I love my 2010 Ford Ranger with a 4.2 liter I haul my Trail Manor 2619 hard sided camper. It is true anyone in the group of riders, boaters or campers could work on the GMC but not the Ford. I have had no extra repair on the Ford just regular maintenance as mentioned above. I only added load adjusting shocks for the 3,000 lbs camper.
Old school is always better and looks better
Most old trucks are ugly
i agree
GuyFoxHimself that's because it's not a real truck.
GuyFoxHimself back up cameras are for people that dont know how to drive also teaching bad habits and the old farm trucks I have were designed as farm trucks and not for aesthetics. My 2012 chev sits at the side of the barn with a twisted frame and more holes than an Israeli soldier while the 69 and 78 gmc is still helping produce corn for you to eat. When the kids start having kids and need to start buying new trucks every 5 years your grocery bill will get higher. Who needs a jacked luxury car with a missing trunk lid that needs sensors to sense the sensors to make the sensors work and also the 65k chev is now a giant plastic plant pot while the old thick steel trucks can tear newer vehicles open like a sardine can. New trucks are weak. Cheaper on gas and that's the only benefit but the shitty gas mileage I get you pay for me through subsidies from the government.
@@xXxBUNDIExXx I know how to drive and a backup camera is nice to have for hooking up trailers etc. I still mainly use mirrors but it's all in teaching good practices not the fault of new tech.
I think another reason why old engines lasted so long, was that they were often under-stressed most of the time.
ie. they had large displacement, were kinda lazy and in a fairly light truck, unless loaded.
Modern trucks are a good deal heavier, and often have less displacement due to emissions and fuel economy.
On the upside, modern trucks can tow more and they are a heck of a lot more comfortable.
As an engine builder I can tell you an old style engine needs bored and honed after 100k miles do to ring wear, however I've seen EFI engines at 180k that still look perfect and measure well.
Travis Callahan my 86 Chevy K10 305 has 387000 miles on it it's my daily driver it may not have the power it did 30 years ago and it may smoke a little but I've had no problems with it.
smoke is a problem. That is a result of wear, either the rings/bore, or the valve guides. I've seen LS motors with that kind of mileage that STILL don't smoke and have decent power.
That could be Mctig. Truth is the engines and the fuel used in them has gotten cleaner over the years. The results are fewer hard part failures internally on average. There are still bad designs and exceptions in every era. The better you control the variables the longer the engine will run until the control systems themselves become the variables. ie:sensors,ecm,tcm.
Travis Callahan I get what you're saying and I understand inflation but my truck in 1986 MSRP was a little over $4,000 a new Chevy Silverado MSRP $36,655. And the smokes only on Startup and the Chevy 305 only has about 145 horsepower anyway. The value proposition just doesn't seem to be there. The only point I was trying to make is that the older V8s would last a lot longer than 100,000 miles if you took care of them and they are way more cost-efficient.
Travis Callahan damn my 350 id 500k miles past due for a hone job then !! i guess ill have to do that if it ever quites running
The brake controller in F350 trucks, do you have video explaining experience. Does the speed and breaking effect the results. Peddle verse manual lever on controller. Is there an ideal level to set controller (min or max) for a 2012 verse a 2017?
I'll always love my 80's GM cars. Great stuff.
my 2001 Dodge Ram 1500 Sport still going strong. 175k miles and still on the the original Transmission. Only time it was in the shop was for a wheel bearing issue we didnt know how to diagnose when it was 5 years old
Same here. Love my 2001 Dodge Ram 1500. Just rolled over 200k and have only ever had a water pump go out.
I really enjoy the format of your video. The driving, with voiceover. I feel like I am driving the road as well. Very informative and enjoyable!
Nothing Ford will build these days will ever come close to the old 7.3 power stroke.
My experience with modern gasoline engines has been great, i rarely will hear of or experience any problems myself. Modern diesels however can be a pain. The 2015 Chevy 3500 I drive for work has been in the shop 4 times already before 60k miles. First the injectors on cylinder 6 and 4 went bad and gave it a misfire( warning signs of what was to come.) Then the injection pump blew up and it and all the injectors had to be replaced. After that the A/C stopped working because the high and low pressure lines rubbed up against eachother and leaked. Then the wipers quit working when the fuse box shorted out(cant relace the wiper relay because its internal to the fuse box.) Then after that the DEF heater went bad in the middle of winter, which before I got the time to fix cooked the EGR valve and NOx sensor and sent it into limp mode. I did all the troubleshooting myself before i brought it to the dealer just because I like to know what i found vs what they say. I'm gonna tell my boss to get rid of that truck the second it gets out of warranty. I blame the EPA for the injection pump and emission failures as Bosch and Chevy are struggling to keep up with there unrealistic standard. I blame the wipers on needless integration, why do you have to replace the whole fuse box for one integral relay? Last but not least i blame to A/C leak on a simple oversight of not placing a plastic separator between the high and low pressure lines, but that is understandable when they are trying to fit so much into so little space. Anyway i can work on vehicles from airplanes to tractors to cars and trucks and since i was born in the age of electronics i understand it, but i can't help but feel the diesel scene is suffering right now.
Buying an oil catch can will solve a lot of problems with the new ecoshit engines. They still suck tho. You can't deny it
Great Truck. I now have a rig too. I went with a 2016 Dodge AEV Prospector and 33' Forest River. The trailer is ok but the Truck is a dream come true so far.
The issue is the electronics isn't reliable. You don't hear of mechanical failures, it's the electronics and that is why they aren't as reliable as old cars. Mechanical failures are rare with proper maintenance, but electronics are failure prone.
Your videos are fantastic for un-educated first time rv buyers like myself.Although still very confused and a bit overwhelmed.
I purchased a 2017 3/4 ton2500 6.7 turbo diesel 4×4 6'4 box in the fall of 2016. (First time diesel buyer as well) i knew i was going to be purchasing a camper in the next year or two for work. Im a traveling U.A. pipe welder, all the guys i work with said the 3/4 ton would be sufficient pulling a small fifth wheel. So thats what i bought. Now im having trouble finding exactly what this truck will pull safely,, as in under rate camper so truck has plenty of stopping and controlling power to trek across u.s.
Now im in the situation to buy a camper wanting a fifth wheel, researching you tube. Thinking i should of went with a dully.
Can I pull a fifth wheel under 30' with this truck? Safely? With plenty of controlling power? For graded interstate treks?. How much weight for the trailer should i be around?..10,000# more,less?
I cant find a specific answer to ratings for my truck on any dodge web site.grrrrr...
Thanks in advance.
I had a 2001 ford ranger 3.0L great little truck. When It hit 200,000 miles everything broke or was wore out. I sold it as is and bought a new car.
americanguy87 Did you have it new?
Thomas TBirdy. I bought it with 28,000 miles
Ok because it would have lasted longer if the first owner broke in the engine properly.
americanguy87 that's weird I have a 2001 ford ranger 4x4 4.0 with 154,000 miles and it's as pristine as it gets it runs and drives like new and the interior is flawless
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