KTM's 1290 Super Duke R Evo: some extra details and thoughts on the new optional extras Demo mode.
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I spent months test riding all of the Hyper nakeds. I am glad I have learned not to listen to reviewers but rather test ride any bike I am interested in. If I had listened to reviewers and magazines I would have gone straight to Ducati and bought the V4S. Predictably that is exactly what I did but only because they were the first to allow me to take a test ride. Most other Hyper Nakeds were not available thanks to COVID. After testing the V4S, Tuono, Evo and the Triumph I ended up buying the KTM Evo. All of these bikes are great but the V4S has no business on the street, in fact it is useless on the street with they way they have configured the power band. The Tuono is amazing but it is just dated. The KTM had all of the tech, the suspension and the best road manners. The torque is absolutely unreal and it is by far the best bike for the road. Track would be a different story but I don't ride on tracks.
I think my wife is copying ktm since I married her . A few miles in and all the fun stuff turned off
hahahahahahaha!! Good one!
Thank you my friend. Allways enjoy your shows.
KTM .. kick Till Monday has morphed into Kostly Tech Madness
Full Demo Mode? Case well put, I am for it! Do remember shelling out for MSR to go with my MTC on my 1290 SA-T (or was it the other way round?). Either way perhaps I don't ride hard enough here in Queensland (where license loosing is quite easy) . HHC? Paid for that and it still gets in the way parking into a steep gutter! Anyway 1500km to 'play with the lot' will makes you evaluate & then decide when 1500km comes round whats to keep.
i must agree. plus i know yo are trying to be nice about all the manufacturers BUT i have a 2021 KTM superduke 1290 GT and retail price is £17000(british punds) i bought it in pandemic for £14000 brand new. I really dont think the KTM motorcycles worth the money they are asking for. Sadly they are not nearly as good finished and reliable as bmw or ducati. used to have a 2018 Yamaha mt 10 sp and it was a briliant bike and the pricing was spot on. Just went to my dealer again to look at the EVO they offer £10500 for my one year old very low milage ktm GT to buy wopping £18699 with extras (some) and saying me BUT they will give me £1000 free extras package which means the bike will cost me £17699 without a slip on or luggage, plus the colours like only a mother can love. In the financial climate we have in the world at the moment, i would like to pay no more then £15 K for a brand new KTM, and no more then £18K for a brand new Ducati. But Matt you can see why , if i go to ducati back to trade my bike in I will get more money for Ducati but KTm's seems to not hold the value, as they are not worth the money in the first place. hopefully just like the housing market in Uk motorcycle market will come down. Seems like £21.499 is a normal price range for motorcycles these days, if you want to buy very good motorcycles. Well i am refusing to pay that and get a comical coloured bike with 200 odd hp with no pillion comfort, no MPG and no future value. Whatever bike you have no matters its a vespa or a ducati or a harley davidson, It should be able to share nice experinces with your other half. Should be able to go fast but should be able to go slow as well. I refuse to believe a motorcycle is a single riding experince. 18 years of riding with my wife on my back , we had from aprillia RSV4's to Ducati panigales and bmw K1600gts to Ktm 1190 adventures. I like to see motorcycling having a TURN in a better future. BETTER MPG'S! better ride quality and better fit and finish, good looking bikes. No body is interested on how much hp your bike has, unless your audince is 20 odd years old. People who can afford these prices of these top brands cares diffrerent things. They like to believe that bike is special, at the minute its how much hp it has got but this has to change. Will i buy a KTM superduke 1290 EVO ? i would as its lighter then gt and similar suspension now with anti diving which is great for two ups, but would i like to spend that money, NO!
Why not get superadventure S?
@@expatbiker6598 feeling like a little to big and plasticy
Loving the format.Thanks.(JHB-SA).
Interesting point regarding anti-dive tech.
Mega! 👍👌
As a Superduke R owner (twice over '17 & '20) I have to whole heartedly agree with you regarding KTM pricing strategy being complete bollox. But having bought one both in Ireland and the UK I managed to get the optional "Packages" included in my deals, I would not have bought either bike unless that was the case and on a point of principal alone would be an Aprilia or Ducati owner now. So it does create needless confusion and irritation. In fact every KTM owner I know here (at least 5 or 6) have done the same. KTM has grown substancially here in the last few years but I don't think that would be the case if we didn't have a clued in dealer knowledgeable enough to know this strategy risks losing customers.
Exactly, as market softens and consumers aren't buying as much dealers will have to include these packs with the sale......KTMs aren't cheap to begin with but what they bank on is the performance of the bike......for their application they best in the biz generally speaking....
Premium bikes premium prices. Harley rarely increase horsepower or electronics every year but offer fancy paint names with increased costs every year. Some cars you can actually double the MSRp with options. Airfare is really bad with all the surprise add ons. Teaser rates that are not factual to be competitive with another brand. I have owned 2 Super Dukes. If your spending $20,000 what is another $1000. You just went on an expensive vacation, what is an addition $1000 as you may never return. Just sayin.
I had a GPZ600 with anti-dive forks, is this the same?
Alright. KTM's price structure (pure greed) pisses me off. Add to this the questionable reliability and I realize I have made up my mind: MT09SP it is.
It makes buying a bike a negative experience imho. After you got hold of your bike and having ridden it for a bit, you have to shell out again for options that otherwise will turn off... especially for the money KTM is asking already.
No Mat. Regardless how they do it, it's still needless greed! The Japanese don't do that with their extra features but all the Europeans do!
Can I buy a ktm please yes sir thats 17k.. oh did u want wheels with that... that's 2k only
Hard to believe someone hasn't figured out a way to bypass the system to get the features.......but yeah they should be on the bike and customer turns it off if he/she doesn't want them.......
I paid for tech pack on my 890 R and did get a discount but still....
Even auto makers are doing this to vehicles now.....my new Silverado has trial period for radio and navigation....ridiculous
Looking forward to an update with the MT09 and how it does with a new shock. Must admit I’m pleased I went with the SP, really like the suspension.
I got the full Tech Pack that gives you everything for 20% off with my Gen 3.
You can get deals on Power Parts stuff.
I have owned several KTM motorcycles both on road and off-road. I would absolutely love a new KTM like the super duke or the 890 R however on principle of having to pay more money to have built in software and hardware technology released after already paying a premium I have decided not to buy a KTM and will look at the Ducati and BMW options first. KTM as a company makes several marketing and public relations decisions that have offended me not the least of which is the sacking of Remy Gardner who has without doubt done more for the KTM brand in Australia than any other rider. I hope Jack Miller will do well in MotoGP over the next couple of years but to be honest with you I doubt very much whether he’ll be any more competitive than the other riders in their teams because the KTM is just not competitive.
KTM management sound like they are complete cocks.
How do you feel about your statement, 8 months later?
@@fabiena1787 I feel he is less competitive than when on a Ducati but more competitive than I expected him to be..And BB too
I think the future won't be so much about tuning a bike, and more about hacking a bike.
Wtf KTM?
I am old enough to have experienced the anti dive technology that came and went in the late 80’s. I don’t understand why they are again offering it as a feature as loading up the front end under heavy braking before a corner and trail braking into them only assists with the turn in and power out. As an ex Australian Superbike racer with Phillip Island being my home track, you need the controlled dive of the front end for many more reasons. 👍😎🇦🇺
Well, antidive isn't the same nowadays, to begin with. Then, its purpose is more obvious when you ride on the road, with road oriented suspensions (esp. the springs). The change in geometry is useful when the front dives, but if it dives too abruptly (soft springs on the roed, remember?), then you find yourself with stability problems. And then there is the legend that allowing for the suspension to dive will make the weigth transfer happen. But it's just that: a legend. Physics are hard set on proving that the "weight transfer" (actually, a change in contact forces repartition) happens whatever the suspension is doing. Myself, I don't like antidive that much on my Super Adv S. it's not terrible either. I think it's more about addressing GS riders. But comparing todays antidive tech to the one of the 80's... Come on!
@@fabiena1787 It’s not about comparing 80’s technology to today. I thought that was obvious. However the theory behind it is still relevant don’t you think? As the weight transfer also reduces trail and rake (when trail braking into corners) allowing for a quicker turn in. Obviously this part takes a bit of skill, however once mastered, it does improve the overall experience (and lap times on track).
This rent-seeking behavior from KTM will over the long-run not be good for them. They don't understand how much more respect they'll get as a brand by including most or all of these essentials as standard.
Agreed. The pricing strategy is absolute shit. Rather than give a new buyer features that the premium price should include, they make the inclusion a negative/sour point.
Sure it's a great bike, but it isn't cool that they throw a nice little 'fuck you' to each customer...
That's definitely me just buying a 2nd hand 1290 with 2000ish miles on and hopefully with full tech pack on.them price.
I'm getting ready to buy my next bike. I've narrowed it down to the Ducati Streetfighter V4S, and the MT10 SP. I've already owned a 2018 Tuono Factory and although that was by far the best bike I've ever owned, I'd like to experience something new, otherwise, that would be on my shortlist. The Superduke Evo was on my list but after discovering all the extra costs to add things that come standard on the others, there's no way in hell I'd let myself purchase that just on principal alone. That plus the fact that where I live just outside of DC there isn't a good dealer network and the closest one is about 45 minutes away.
Problem with the Ducati is the trouble and cost of putting on an aftermarket exhaust. You will need to remove a lot of stuff like the radiator to get to it and if you want a premium brand like akrapovic you end up spending 5000,- or more. The KTM you have to pay for extra " packs" that should come standard but in the end its cheaper then the Ducati. The MT-10 is a great bike but I can't stand the looks and it also comes 30whp short of the KTM.
@@tubejorrit With a tune you can get the MT10 SP a little closer in HP and, you get the upgraded suspension.
You mean the $1K one time cost to unlock everything? If you're not buying the bike for that, you're not buying the bike period.
The MT10 is amazing, I have a 2019 but it is completely different than this KTM. I love them both but for pure sport and refinement the KTM wins which I do also own. The Streetfighter is not for the street at all.
What about the new BMW M1000R? I would think that is the new king of all naked bikes now.
Ktm's sales technique is an absolute insult. Demo mode - let's have a look what you could have, it's on the bike, but we're going to disable it after a short while and you have to pay us to enable it again !!!! FFS, it's just short of being blackmailed, it's a very low selling practice. If I sold a few of my bikes I could afford one, but I wouldn't on principle 🤨
It's just like it's always been. The only difference is you don't pay for it up front now. You can drive off and decide what you want later. Zero difference. If you didn't hate it then, you don't hate it now.
I’ve been dubious of KTM’s strategy ever since my 390 Duke wouldn’t let me fully rev until I was past 1000 km. I bought the bike, I should be able to redline the engine in the parking lot and blow it up if I want to, I just bought it. It’s not like it would be warrantied anyways.
So are we saying just ADD the cost of the extras into the base price?
I did consider a KTM. but their electronics turned me around on the spot!
Purchase the options?? They are already on the bike. They will be built into the basic purchase price. Do you think KTM built them all into the bike in the hope that you will them have them unlocked and they will get back what they've invested? You've already paid for them. By paying for KTM to unlock the software you've effectively paid for them twice. A bit more journalistic cynicism please.
I have the 2020 version, personally I prefer the colour scheme and see no need to switch to the EVO.
I really dislike KTMs software packages though and it will stop me buying another KTM.
no need to switch, its the same exact bike, except for electronic suspension which is almost useless in a 100% road bike.
@@mauriciobolboa6829 weird every1 else says electronic suspension feels better on the street..
I made the below comment halfway through the vid. I can assure you your language is mild in the extreme compared to the KTM owners Sunday morning rants on this subject. We weren't even aware of the "Demo" mode until after watching this vid. Thankfully it would appear our dealer knows his customers and is not willing to insult our intelligence with this shite.
Demo Mode is KTM's on disc DLC.
My money went to Yamaha and then Aprilia because they do not charge more money for things already on their damned bikes.
I hate you have to get the tech pack if you want the quickshifter. You can buy it alone but you really need the msr which is going to be the same price. Around me is 300 for both components or 500 for everything.
Was torn between the sdr & tuono v4 factory. Tbh bought the tuono because I didn't have 2 buy the extras. Ktm u lost a sale. Also have a 1190 sas , was looking 2 buy a new 1 , but can't justify paying extra 4 stuff that is on the bike .
Love your videos. Very informative. I was ready to purchase a 1290 Super Duke Evo and didn’t realize that you had to pay more for up/down quick shifter and other options. Very disappointing since a bike that cost more than $20k should come standard with all of those features.
THE best motorcycle reviewer. Thank you!
I sure am impressed with everyone choosing the new KTM Evo as the top supernaked . I sure love my 16 Gen 1 SDR . I've never ridden the new EVO it must be incredible . I sure enjoyed your visit to the KTM museum , and meeting the new representative , and if you could go to ducati or motogootsie factories would be cool .
Nice weather and the French going on strike, what are the odds of that happening? Oh wait, that's like every year isn't it...
And we thinK SA is bad ?? WE have no electricity but we have petrol to ride our bikes !😁
Who makes those knee sliders you have on over your jeans?
Well, but surely, you get what you pay for, and you pay for the best. Quid pro quo?
What's next KTM, a yearly wheelie subscription ?
I think, another satisfying part of being a enthusiast is learning how to negotiate to get what you want….. all manufacturers has their negative/positive side, best is to learn what you want/need before signing the paperwork, if your prepared then go for it…. I did not marry my wife because of the reason that she’s better than my ex, I married her because I know what I’m getting into/xicated hehehehe lol, cheers guys, no pun intended, we can’t be ranting about these little things all the time just because we did not do our homework. Life is too short to be waiting for something better, but you do find it, then good on you mate !
If I may add, with respects to comparison between Ducati, Aprilia and KTM, may I recommend you guys to also watch 44teeth latest video, they said/described it the best, it’s all about who’s getting your WANG THE WETTEST, (they said it not me, but I intend to agree). The way a look at it, these bikes are like the hottest chick back in my high school days, they’ll break your heart, get you in to all sorts of trouble and just like a motorcycle, hard to introduce to your parents. 😅😅😅😅
Love the video as always ...
Ktm fantastic bikes but to expensive unreliable unfortunately. And paying more money to open up the options.
Just took delivery of yamaha mt10sp sorry ktm. ..
Unreliable based on what, exactly? No issues with my 2019 1290 R
What a boring review..
Hi Matt, Please advise. I ride a KTM SA R now, but miss agility and sportiness. Should I consider the GT or the Evo R? What would your choice be if it were your main motorbike?
Thank you for a great show. Look forward to see where you're going with the channel.
KTM pricing strategy....I'm divided. Test before buying sounds good. But the gadget is already there! ...somehow. And in the running in periode...is that a good thing?
I think demo mode is a great. Experience the bike at its absolute best and then decide and only pay only for what your riding style requires 😎
Pay to Race .)
Lost me mate...
Great views and journalism really respect your comments and knowledge thanks
How do you like those riding shoes? They look quite nice. 👍
That sucks , hopefully the fuel problem is better soon 😅
I've never own a street bike without anti-dive again.
yeap I am a regular
Great content keep it up
love ya matt!!
This is chapri bike in india 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The demo mode is good for another reason, means you can put off the cost for a good while but still use the tech instead of having to live with out until you can afford the tech.
Porsche charge u for every option aswell. It’s shitty. But it is what it is. Accept it. Move on. There are better things to talk about. Like the actual product. And they make a damn good product.
Plus you might not want to spend money on optionals at the beginning (due to budgetary reasons or other) but if you do in the future, you don’t have to buy another bike since you can have them enabled on your current bike…
Yep. It's really no different than it's always been in the end. If I'm buying a 1290 SDR, the extra grand for everything is just something I'm going to do anyway. Demo more or not.
This is the reason that companies can get away with these wallet gouging practices because enough customers choose to voluntarily bend over and engage in submissive penetrative acts. Fair play to KTM for filling that hole in the market.
I wonder what happens to these bikes' tech packs at resale time?
@@keyboarddancers7751 Theyll either charge u less without the extras. Or charge u more from the beginning with all the extras included. It’s not that hard to understand. But some people are stupid and whinge and complain.
KTM and Porsche should sell lube cream as well!🤣🤑🤪
Cool bike!
Thanks Mr Matt awesome summary of the 9 sec 200kmh beast😅🙆🏾♂️
I don’t know much about KTM but their bikes are definitely ready to race. After what you said though I’m worried how is KTM pitching their products to customers because this is shocking. Personally, I never even considered the super duke because of my own riding experience, at the very most il stop at 890 duke or discontinued 790 (sourcing one currently). I feel those are definitely better value overall. If you just want a fun machine and don’t care about the brand that much I believe that little duke 390 and 890 are best offerings for most.
I am mostly a street rider and those bikes make sense…
However, let’s not forget that out here in South Africa the Kawasaki Z900 seems to be getting ignored with that inline 4 that makes lovely sound and horses😮 and at R166k or about £9800 it’s probably a bargain to ignore 🥹😎