I love Project Farm. Todd is extremely clever and finds great ways to test products. He was way out of his lane on this video, but that's okay, as no one can be a master of all trades.
@@fortworthautodetail I think also his tests are generally reasonable to what an average person would expect. If it says "ceramic coating" on the label, an average DIY person will expect it to be what it says. Totally agree with your wishing he sometimes tested more variety of brands/products - but he does take comments on videos and sometimes does more. He could probably do a test "playoff" like the engine oil playoffs testing he did.
I subscribe to Project Farm and enjoy his videos but Todd's testing is hit and miss. Another 'miss': his chainsaw bar oil test. All product development involves trade-offs. There are long term / real world benefits of higher viscosity oils which are critical but not accounted for in his testing; e.g. clogging, consistent rate of dispense at higher temperatures and when cutting hard woods (when you need lubricant most), etc.
His channel, as I'm sure you know, is focused on off-the-shelf, easily purchasable consumer products found on Amazon or big box stores, which explains why he chose the products he did.
F11 topcoat pro is incredible. And since a gallon of it is only $150, I have plenty of it left in case I need to re-apply. (2 years strong with perfect water beading) The inventor has the most advanced ceramic spray because 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I love Project Farm and Todd does a fantastic job most of the time. Sometimes Todd gets out of his lane as in this product comparison. Other tan the Adams these may be detail or sealant sprays. Check out the glass sealant / coating video and the best products weren't even tested.
Best way to remove hybrid solutions and put a new coat on? I’m one of the dummies that assumed more was better and put too much on so there are streaks ect, I’d like to remove it all, clean it proper and apply a new coat. Can you please give me the steps and products to use? Clay bar, iron remover ect? Thanks in advance!
Loved hearing your thoughts on this. I tried the turtle wax hybrid solutions but can not say I am super happy with it. So the obvious questions is - what do you suggest for a 2013 Black Honda accord with high miles but has been garage kept most of its life? AND - I already clay barred and applied hybrid sol. so should I remove that and clay bar again to apply your suggestion? Thanks
Did you watch until the end? He suggests Carpro Cquartz. If you want to apply a new coating you'll have to strip what you put on (Strip wash, iron remover, Isopropyl alcohol) but if you just did it a clay and polish probably won't be needed.
@@fortworthautodetail Not yet but am considering it for my next coating. I've only ever used the avalon king one, but I liked it. Have heard good things about poorboys too and it seems to offer a good value if it's still available at the prices I've seen before. But that's why I was curious to see if you had tried it. Keep the content coming, I just fond your channel!
Yea very familiar with avalon king. Probably the easiest coating I have ever used. It never had great durability though. We are currently test C6 diamond ceramic coating. We will see how that does. But yea don't really know much about poorboys.
@@fortworthautodetailIt’s not the camera so much as it is the lighting. You are back light and with nothing lighting your face. A simple soft light will go a long way.
@@fortworthautodetail remember is about the Quality of the light not always the quantity when lighting people. A ring light is what many use but that is not good for lighting faces when used wrong, which most do. Rather get a covering of some kind - normally a softbox which diffuses the light and spreads it out. hope that is helpful. Is there a decent ceramic coating under $50 or what do you use now? Thanks
@@shawnwright240 Got it. And probably not at that price point. Carpro Cquartz is the closest I see. You can pick that up from Amazon at $63. Its a solid choice. We use pro grade coatings. SystemX, diamondprotech, C6. Mainly we use SystemX. Have used it for years and love it. But one bottle alone of that stuff can cost $300 and have to be an authorized installer to purchase.
This is why you follow detailers who actually detail and who actually apply coatings...you can use the cheapest coating if you garage your car and drive it once a month..
Project Farm has a handicap as he is making quick video to a very large DIY audience. I avoid the use of 'wax' as a description as many older DIY have the concept of traditional wax which is time consuming to install and does not last (Texas heat kills). Sealants and ceramic infused work far better but not as long as a true ceramic 'COATING'. Thanks Austin for making this video and giving a professional commentary, hope more view and understand the concepts. Key take away is DIY'ers need to is that keep the surface clean with good wash methods and frequent use of light protection helps in the long term.
Like your shop advertises or promotes, these products are not technically “ceramic” coatings; lets just be honest and be fair to consumers about these. In fairness to Todd, he only states what these products say as advertised, again just what your shop says or promotes. Come on man, its business you are protecting too.
Most of that stuff is S I o2. Iron first, then clay, then correct (if necessary) and polish.....check. The Turtle Wax? Excellent for a quick detailer product. Cera Koat? Good for matt plastic trim. F-11? The marketing is ominous and it's crap. Advance Graphene? Dunno, Adams is a quality coating but at a buck-n-a-half it's really pricey. Slickness? Good for customer smiles at the time of delivery. I'd much rather see legit ceramic coating products go head to head.
@@fortworthautodetail Thanks, I'll look into that vid. I have several cars I can coat and I have BC-7 in mind but I just wanna make sure it's got the protection. Protection? My wife was 42 when my son was born so it can be fleeting.
@@patrickgagnon9662 Correct. I was just talking in terms of performance I think its more helpful for people to think about ceramic sprays as wax rather than as a ceramic coating.
Great video, I learned a lot. I clayed, iron-x'd, machine polished with Turtle Wax hybrid graphene flex compound ,panel prepped, coated with Turtle Wax "to the max" graphene liquid wax on my previous daily driver (blue Honda Pilot) . It came out decently but would like to do an actual true ceramic coating on my newer daily driver ( blue 4runner 5th gen). Thanks for great explanations , will definitely help my next project!
As you know any company can name their product anything. Walk into a big box store go to the paint department. Epoxy fortified, polyurethane, and urethane. As you know all these products are two component. Cannot be bought at these stores.
Love you to. And correct, that is my bad. What I was more getting at is when you are leveling you are wiping away the carrier solvents of the ceramic coating.
Loved hearing your thoughts on this. I tried the turtle wax hybrid solutions but can not say I am super happy with it. So the obvious questions is - what do you suggest for a 2013 Black Honda accord with high miles but has been garage kept most of its life? AND - I already clay barred and applied hybrid sol. so should I remove that and clay bar again to apply your suggestion? Thanks
Project farm is a great channel, with that said it’s always great to get the real deal from a professional as well.👍💪
I love Project Farm. Todd is extremely clever and finds great ways to test products. He was way out of his lane on this video, but that's okay, as no one can be a master of all trades.
Where is your comparison channel?…..
True. I do like most of his tests though. He tries to put objective measurements to them.
Way out of his lane? Because he hurt your brand's feelings or what?
@@fortworthautodetail I think also his tests are generally reasonable to what an average person would expect. If it says "ceramic coating" on the label, an average DIY person will expect it to be what it says. Totally agree with your wishing he sometimes tested more variety of brands/products - but he does take comments on videos and sometimes does more. He could probably do a test "playoff" like the engine oil playoffs testing he did.
I subscribe to Project Farm and enjoy his videos but Todd's testing is hit and miss. Another 'miss': his chainsaw bar oil test.
All product development involves trade-offs. There are long term / real world benefits of higher viscosity oils which are critical but not accounted for in his testing; e.g. clogging, consistent rate of dispense at higher temperatures and when cutting hard woods (when you need lubricant most), etc.
His channel, as I'm sure you know, is focused on off-the-shelf, easily purchasable consumer products found on Amazon or big box stores, which explains why he chose the products he did.
if it says "ceramic coating" on the box, then he tests it as one to see how it holds up. The results were not surprising.
Yea the manufactures have gone a little crazy with the buzz word of ceramic coating.
I'm just wondering if you could make a tutorial videos step by step how the process works.. much appreciated
Love it. Definitely in the works but we have been so busy. We are getting ready to move to a larger shop so don't have an ETA but hopefully soon.
For applying a wax like collinite, do you need to use a any sort of surface prep first besides a clay bar? ( obv iron/tar if needed )
F11 topcoat pro is incredible. And since a gallon of it is only $150, I have plenty of it left in case I need to re-apply. (2 years strong with perfect water beading)
The inventor has the most advanced ceramic spray because
😂😂😂😂😂😂
You almost had me there. Lol!
@@fortworthautodetail Haha. My Dad told me their neighbor was a “detailer”. I asked him what products they use and he told me F11. LOL
Yikes. haha
I love Project Farm and Todd does a fantastic job most of the time. Sometimes Todd gets out of his lane as in this product comparison. Other tan the Adams these may be detail or sealant sprays. Check out the glass sealant / coating video and the best products weren't even tested.
Agreed.
Can you point us to a channel that did a better product comparison of ceramic coatings?
@@teekay_1 I like the one that Chicago Auto Pros did a couple of years ago. th-cam.com/video/zp9GqSAYjWI/w-d-xo.html
@@teekay_1th-cam.com/video/KRv7vKsuliQ/w-d-xo.html
Any recommendations on iron remover?
A new drinking game: Every time F11 is mentioned and he laughs, take a shot.
I would pass out.
Ceramic or graphene and depending on your pick, which brands are the best iyo?
Best way to remove hybrid solutions and put a new coat on?
I’m one of the dummies that assumed more was better and put too much on so there are streaks ect, I’d like to remove it all, clean it proper and apply a new coat.
Can you please give me the steps and products to use?
Clay bar, iron remover ect?
Thanks in advance!
Griots foaming surface prep. Wash with that, then do a normal wash. Decon and wax
Loved hearing your thoughts on this. I tried the turtle wax hybrid solutions but can not say I am super happy with it. So the obvious questions is - what do you suggest for a 2013 Black Honda accord with high miles but has been garage kept most of its life? AND - I already clay barred and applied hybrid sol. so should I remove that and clay bar again to apply your suggestion? Thanks
Did you watch until the end? He suggests Carpro Cquartz. If you want to apply a new coating you'll have to strip what you put on (Strip wash, iron remover, Isopropyl alcohol) but if you just did it a clay and polish probably won't be needed.
What didn't you like about the Hybrid Solutions?
My super affordable Black Rhino Graphx is at about 2 years
Haven't heard of it. You like it?
Have you ever tried the poorboys ceramic coating?
No. Have you? What are your thoughts on it?
@@fortworthautodetail Not yet but am considering it for my next coating. I've only ever used the avalon king one, but I liked it. Have heard good things about poorboys too and it seems to offer a good value if it's still available at the prices I've seen before. But that's why I was curious to see if you had tried it. Keep the content coming, I just fond your channel!
Yea very familiar with avalon king. Probably the easiest coating I have ever used. It never had great durability though. We are currently test C6 diamond ceramic coating. We will see how that does. But yea don't really know much about poorboys.
you can't even buy a clear camera
Haha truth. I just used the one from my laptop. If we do more of these types of videos, we will invest in an actual camera.
@@fortworthautodetailIt’s not the camera so much as it is the lighting. You are back light and with nothing lighting your face. A simple soft light will go a long way.
@@shawnwright240 good idea. Will probably pick up a camera and a light. Just starting to play around with streamyard as well
@@fortworthautodetail remember is about the Quality of the light not always the quantity when lighting people. A ring light is what many use but that is not good for lighting faces when used wrong, which most do. Rather get a covering of some kind - normally a softbox which diffuses the light and spreads it out. hope that is helpful. Is there a decent ceramic coating under $50 or what do you use now? Thanks
@@shawnwright240 Got it. And probably not at that price point. Carpro Cquartz is the closest I see. You can pick that up from Amazon at $63. Its a solid choice.
We use pro grade coatings. SystemX, diamondprotech, C6. Mainly we use SystemX. Have used it for years and love it. But one bottle alone of that stuff can cost $300 and have to be an authorized installer to purchase.
This is why you follow detailers who actually detail and who actually apply coatings...you can use the cheapest coating if you garage your car and drive it once a month..
Truth
He's not testing professional level products.
Project Farm has a handicap as he is making quick video to a very large DIY audience. I avoid the use of 'wax' as a description as many older DIY have the concept of traditional wax which is time consuming to install and does not last (Texas heat kills). Sealants and ceramic infused work far better but not as long as a true ceramic 'COATING'. Thanks Austin for making this video and giving a professional commentary, hope more view and understand the concepts. Key take away is DIY'ers need to is that keep the surface clean with good wash methods and frequent use of light protection helps in the long term.
Appreciate the feedback!
Like your shop advertises or promotes, these products are not technically “ceramic” coatings; lets just be honest and be fair to consumers about these. In fairness to Todd, he only states what these products say as advertised, again just what your shop says or promotes. Come on man, its business you are protecting too.
Most of that stuff is S I o2. Iron first, then clay, then correct (if necessary) and polish.....check. The Turtle Wax? Excellent for a quick detailer product. Cera Koat? Good for matt plastic trim. F-11? The marketing is ominous and it's crap. Advance Graphene? Dunno, Adams is a quality coating but at a buck-n-a-half it's really pricey. Slickness? Good for customer smiles at the time of delivery. I'd much rather see legit ceramic coating products go head to head.
True. Yea that's why I like the one that Chicago Auto Pros did.
@@fortworthautodetail Thanks, I'll look into that vid. I have several cars I can coat and I have BC-7 in mind but I just wanna make sure it's got the protection. Protection? My wife was 42 when my son was born so it can be fleeting.
I purchase $8 ceramic coat in a glass bottle
The formulation of the ceramics in the sprays makes it not a wax ...no matter how many times you say it is , a little full of yourself buddy .
I think we are agreeing here haha. I'm confused.
@@fortworthautodetail You called spray ceramic wax ...it is not .
@@patrickgagnon9662 Correct. I was just talking in terms of performance I think its more helpful for people to think about ceramic sprays as wax rather than as a ceramic coating.
@@fortworthautodetailThat is better wording....ceramic easier to maintain without buildup like a wax , that is a big difference .
Great video, I learned a lot. I clayed, iron-x'd, machine polished with Turtle Wax hybrid graphene flex compound ,panel prepped, coated with Turtle Wax "to the max" graphene liquid wax on my previous daily driver (blue Honda Pilot) . It came out decently but would like to do an actual true ceramic coating on my newer daily driver ( blue 4runner 5th gen). Thanks for great explanations , will definitely help my next project!
As you know any company can name their product anything. Walk into a big box store go to the paint department. Epoxy fortified, polyurethane, and urethane. As you know all these products are two component. Cannot be bought at these stores.
Good point.
what rewards do you expect if no real effort is involved. Adams 100%
Yea most people do not know or do not want to put in the work.
Arrogant.... and.... solvents dont dissolve (11:30)
Love you to. And correct, that is my bad. What I was more getting at is when you are leveling you are wiping away the carrier solvents of the ceramic coating.
Loved hearing your thoughts on this. I tried the turtle wax hybrid solutions but can not say I am super happy with it. So the obvious questions is - what do you suggest for a 2013 Black Honda accord with high miles but has been garage kept most of its life? AND - I already clay barred and applied hybrid sol. so should I remove that and clay bar again to apply your suggestion? Thanks
Depends on how crazy you want to get. Do you want a coating or do you want to stay with a wax?