6:58 Look at that string : 7 fairs, 21 %, so a ratio of 3% per hit. Of course, the fair was staling after each hit. Now think about I dunno, Mario's uair strings. You can, if you're good at juggling, and with platforms, easily land 5 up airs for roughly like 35-40 %, meaning a ratio of 7-8%, which is more than 2 times Sheik's ratio. And his uair is also stalling. Even worse, take Wolf : grab>dthrow>dash attack : 20-25 %, i don't remeber exactly but it will vary depending on the staleness. And you can easily extend it. Here the ratio is like 10-12.5% per hit. What all of the above show is that characters that are far more easier to play have a better damage output than Sheik which has a high skill cap, while it should be the opposite : the harder, the better the reward. And here we're talking about VoiD, now imagine that with an average player. And don't even get me started on her kill options. Not only do you take forever to put your opponent at kill percent, but when you do it's super hard to take the stock. At some point not having the damage lead means that you lost the match unless you play perfect, which is humanly impossible. Now I don't ask Sheik to do 20% per hit, but heck this character has everything and is taken down only by that mosquito-like damage output, it's super dumb and frustrating. Give her decent damage an she becomes top tier the next month.
@@mujiha I think most people would still buy Joker for he has his own unique features and is not as hard to play as Sheik in terms of execution, and also because they want the full roster, but that's a good point. They do feel pretty similar, at least for sojo.
I agree sheik needs buffs, but none of the characters you listed have shieks godlike neutral or disadvantage. I mean, strictly theoretically speaking Shiek might be top tier, but on a human level shes very limited
@@lucavespa1695 Sirkel She has one of the best neutral indeed, but other characters have also a great neutral, and not only top tiers, so not only it is not that easy to win neutral but she also has to win it more times to make things just even, Void here wins neutral like 2-3 times in a row just to have his opponent catch up in one single string. That s really all about damage output, that s the only thing taking her down, she s a great character otherwise
Whaaaaaaat?!!! But Joker isn’t BrOkEn. Lmao many things need to happen that probably won’t. Joker is just a DLC power WITH a DLC power up. Too bad because I really like Sheik.
Sheik needs damage buffs, but it's not as bad as people say. If they were to give her consistent easy 40% combos, she'd be broken. She's fine right now, but with a little bit of damage buffs, she could be top tier
Ya but only slight buffs to damage and maybe some of her kill moves could kill slightly earlier. She already has a good neutral and is able to get out of disadvantage state really easily so too much and she’ll be overtuned.
As Void & Light said themselves "If she is buffed she is broken!" & "She needs maybe 1 or 2 kills moves that kill slightly earlier but even then that's a huge buff for her"
Void is one of my favorite players and I love watching him play Sheik, but sometimes it's so hard to watch him do a crazy combo with dragdowns and everything for 30% and then he gets hit by sun salutations for like the same amount
I think Void has been enjoying Sheik a lot lately. Also, I think he enjoys the fact that Sheik has a lot safer neutral tools than Pichu, even if she lacks kill power. Pichu essentially only has T-jolts.
I don’t think it’s worth self damaging yourself 2.3% every single time you recover. Before the patch, the self damage was manageable, and Pichu would do 2% self damage. Now, it’s too difficult
Paul Boulet well he also has nair but yeah shiek has safer options, pichu does have an advantage being a small character tho, which takes away a lot of neutral tools for his opponents, I just think that if void is going to last stock last hit scenarios with a random wii fit trainer, there is no way this sheik can handle top level competitors, and if he had been using pichu I don’t think that first game would have been as close as it was
Elliot Lin void said that he doesn’t think the self damage nerf is that bad, I think his main problem with pichu right now is f-tilt not killing and that makes it harder to get kills in general
Maybe the buff Sheik needs to to get Zelda back. It'd be crazy if they could switch back and forth again. Probably wouldn't actually be that good, but it would be fun.
They should make the switch between characters an entirely new move, not replace their down b. Maybe they should bind it to shield then a, like inklings ink refill. The switch mechanic would be cool, but nit at the expense of their down b's
Holy fuck. I'm trash at Smash so not positive but Shiek looks weak Look like he hit a 6-7 hit combo for only 40%??? Gets hit 3 times and is at 50%??? This series really shouldn't have been that close.
*The balance patch team at Nintendo should be ashamed of themselves tbh* *Shiek is one of the few characters in desperate need for some buffs* Shiek Robin Bayonetta Cloud Simon Sonic Falco Kirby Corrin
VoiD plays TOO carefully sometimes. There were times where the read was clear, and he’d punish using f tilt, not f smash. This dudes got skills and he won’t flex.
Mabye because sheik requires u to play near perfect due to lack of damage and kill power one mistake and ur opponent is in the driver seat for a good while
@@TheCleanProphet not really. in his set against Tweek, you can see ftilt isn't safe on shield like it used to be. Her frame data is good, but in this game almost every character got improved frame data so it's a bit more even.
That looked unnecessarily hard for Sheik. Good lord why did they balance her like this
Good stuff VoiD
6:58 Look at that string : 7 fairs, 21 %, so a ratio of 3% per hit. Of course, the fair was staling after each hit.
Now think about I dunno, Mario's uair strings. You can, if you're good at juggling, and with platforms, easily land 5 up airs for roughly like 35-40 %, meaning a ratio of 7-8%, which is more than 2 times Sheik's ratio. And his uair is also stalling.
Even worse, take Wolf : grab>dthrow>dash attack : 20-25 %, i don't remeber exactly but it will vary depending on the staleness. And you can easily extend it. Here the ratio is like 10-12.5% per hit.
What all of the above show is that characters that are far more easier to play have a better damage output than Sheik which has a high skill cap, while it should be the opposite : the harder, the better the reward. And here we're talking about VoiD, now imagine that with an average player.
And don't even get me started on her kill options. Not only do you take forever to put your opponent at kill percent, but when you do it's super hard to take the stock.
At some point not having the damage lead means that you lost the match unless you play perfect, which is humanly impossible.
Now I don't ask Sheik to do 20% per hit, but heck this character has everything and is taken down only by that mosquito-like damage output, it's super dumb and frustrating. Give her decent damage an she becomes top tier the next month.
If they buffed shiek, nobody would have a reason to drop $6 on Joker and Nintendo doens't want that
@@mujiha I think most people would still buy Joker for he has his own unique features and is not as hard to play as Sheik in terms of execution, and also because they want the full roster, but that's a good point. They do feel pretty similar, at least for sojo.
mujiha joker clearly ain’t a sheik clone
I agree sheik needs buffs, but none of the characters you listed have shieks godlike neutral or disadvantage.
I mean, strictly theoretically speaking Shiek might be top tier, but on a human level shes very limited
@@lucavespa1695 Sirkel She has one of the best neutral indeed, but other characters have also a great neutral, and not only top tiers, so not only it is not that easy to win neutral but she also has to win it more times to make things just even, Void here wins neutral like 2-3 times in a row just to have his opponent catch up in one single string. That s really all about damage output, that s the only thing taking her down, she s a great character otherwise
Sheik lands a 20 hit combo and deals 12%
Thanos: All that for a drop of blood?
If joker can get smash attacks out of drag down up air, then sheik should be able to also. She needs a lot more than him.
Joker is basically a better shiek lol
Whaaaaaaat?!!! But Joker isn’t BrOkEn.
Lmao many things need to happen that probably won’t. Joker is just a DLC power WITH a DLC power up. Too bad because I really like Sheik.
@@theboxinring368 joker is good but not broken. Leo was the only joker in Top 32 at evo
But shirk can get smash attacks from drag down up air
@@sarahannsfriend9332 i haven't seen it done, but I haven't seen too much Sheik so maybe you're right
Combo hits: 100
Total damage dealt: 12%
Sheik in a nutshell. They need to buff her damage output
Void was doing 20 - 30 - 40% off of every hit. The reason it looked hard for shiek is because Adastran is good
Sheik needs damage buffs, but it's not as bad as people say. If they were to give her consistent easy 40% combos, she'd be broken. She's fine right now, but with a little bit of damage buffs, she could be top tier
Ya but only slight buffs to damage and maybe some of her kill moves could kill slightly earlier. She already has a good neutral and is able to get out of disadvantage state really easily so too much and she’ll be overtuned.
Damage is not the problem it’s the kill power tbh
As Void & Light said themselves "If she is buffed she is broken!" & "She needs maybe 1 or 2 kills moves that kill slightly earlier but even then that's a huge buff for her"
Sheik: having 90 percent neutral and barely escapes for a win
(2 stock -.-)
Void is one of my favorite players and I love watching him play Sheik, but sometimes it's so hard to watch him do a crazy combo with dragdowns and everything for 30% and then he gets hit by sun salutations for like the same amount
idk... i love seeing sheik but i think it could hold him back combos are crazy but so lame when it a whole string does max 34%
If voids going to use a nerfed combo character that dies early, why not just use pichu?
I think Void has been enjoying Sheik a lot lately. Also, I think he enjoys the fact that Sheik has a lot safer neutral tools than Pichu, even if she lacks kill power. Pichu essentially only has T-jolts.
I don’t think it’s worth self damaging yourself 2.3% every single time you recover. Before the patch, the self damage was manageable, and Pichu would do 2% self damage. Now, it’s too difficult
Paul Boulet well he also has nair but yeah shiek has safer options, pichu does have an advantage being a small character tho, which takes away a lot of neutral tools for his opponents, I just think that if void is going to last stock last hit scenarios with a random wii fit trainer, there is no way this sheik can handle top level competitors, and if he had been using pichu I don’t think that first game would have been as close as it was
Elliot Lin void said that he doesn’t think the self damage nerf is that bad, I think his main problem with pichu right now is f-tilt not killing and that makes it harder to get kills in general
Not saying adastran is a bad player but you can clearly see how much work Void has to do just to play.
Maybe the buff Sheik needs to to get Zelda back. It'd be crazy if they could switch back and forth again. Probably wouldn't actually be that good, but it would be fun.
EJ Stephens and get rid of sheik and (arguably) Zelda's best moves
Yeah sheik without bouncing fish would be horrible
....That's nerfing zelda... No lol
We prefer phantom, thanks
They should make the switch between characters an entirely new move, not replace their down b. Maybe they should bind it to shield then a, like inklings ink refill. The switch mechanic would be cool, but nit at the expense of their down b's
why does nobody main sheik anymore, i find his frames pretty insane actually.
Damage output
"his"
Sheik is a female.
Let's go VoiD
thanks Adastran for not knowing how to DI any sheik's move
Holy fuck. I'm trash at Smash so not positive but Shiek looks weak Look like he hit a 6-7 hit combo for only 40%??? Gets hit 3 times and is at 50%??? This series really shouldn't have been that close.
wow shiek does so little dmg lol
ya but she can safely throw out those moves until one hits you and then you’re caught in a string or frame trap
@@TheCleanProphet ye but those 3 moves hits for like 1 normal move anyway.
*The balance patch team at Nintendo should be ashamed of themselves tbh* *Shiek is one of the few characters in desperate need for some buffs*
Shiek
Robin
Bayonetta
Cloud
Simon
Sonic
Falco
Kirby
Corrin
Sonic is fine.
TheCosplay-Magician and corrin has had countless buffs
Bayo is fine
@@xue1379 Do you actually use her? Just curious
@@Sean-fz8if no but one of my friends does
VoiD plays TOO carefully sometimes.
There were times where the read was clear, and he’d punish using f tilt, not f smash.
This dudes got skills and he won’t flex.
Mabye because sheik requires u to play near perfect due to lack of damage and kill power one mistake and ur opponent is in the driver seat for a good while
VoiD should complain on Twitter that sheik is a bad character, so the developers see it and buff her
First also I always like watching void
0 dislikes cuz there is Sheik
Karnaj extended combos and clear display of mastery of the game doesn’t excite you.
I get it. And that’s ok.
@@tinyt.w.i.m7291 I wanted to say *0 dislikes cuz there is sheik sorry
Sheik might be the worse character in the game
Definitely not
You mistake ‘hardest to kill with’ for ‘worst in the game’.
Tiny T.W.I.M aren’t like all her kill confirms safe to throw out tho?
@@TheCleanProphet not really. in his set against Tweek, you can see ftilt isn't safe on shield like it used to be. Her frame data is good, but in this game almost every character got improved frame data so it's a bit more even.