interesting video. my interpretation was that the tarnished were "outsiders", descended from the expelled army of godfry or others and not at all familiar with the goings on of the lands between. Whether the lands between is a physical place like a continent or some kind of metaphysical "place" the tarnished are always spoken of having "crossed the sea" to their ancestral home the lands between.
Yeah I forget where but I think it's the anchor weapon description that says they were loaded up on boats and shipped away when godfrey was banished but one ship went missing
@@TheHonoredMadman a video on the Tarnished as a group would be nice. Are Tarnished the companions of Godfrey or the descendents of Godfrey/his companions? Do you need to of already had grace to be a Tarnished? Can you be born a Tarnished? To me, my interpretation is that all Tarnished are members of Godfrey's army that were more loyal to him then Markia/the Greater Will/Golden Order, and in absence of an external threat to keep Godfrey occupied Marika feard his ambition. So she stole his grace and used it to justify banishing him and his loyal army. Now that Markia needs an external force to unfuck the Lands inbetween , she's restored the tarnished's grace and hoping they can rescue her from the erd tree. Given classes like the astrologer, I think all Tarnished are very old and from a single generation. Some classes like the bandit and prisoner represent whats happened to that character since being banished, others like the astrologer and hero represent a unique origin from before they fought with Godfrey.
@@SIRslipperyasp91 Actually it's become pretty evident that Godfrey was in on the banishment or at least understood why Marika did it and it was actually an effort for the tarnished to gain enough power that one of them could challenge the greater will and become a true unshackled Elden Lord.
Something I really liked about this FromSoft game is that there’s a lot more interaction between other starting classes/class types, for example, meeting blackgaurd, a prisoner, Yuria, a samurai, Corrin, a prophet and so on. In DS1 and 3(didn’t play 2 yet so idk) while you’d sometimes meet a pyromancer and a sorcerer who’d teach you those skills, they didn’t feel as impactful as some of the class sets you meet in ER. At least I think anyway. Btw great video homie! I was surprised to hear a Geico insurance reference in my Elden Lore lmao
Waiting for an Elden Ring mod where you learn magic on your own; like Astrologers learning from studying certain areas you look at via spyglass/telescope in the sky at night. I think that would be absolutely baller. Also, I really enjoy your videos, you're straight to the point, chill, and know how to mix humor with direct, subtle, or otherwise speculated references to material! I look forward to more.
I could be very wrong about this, as it’s just from memory but in the past games wasn’t there always a corpse with each starting class armor? I know it’s not that way in this one, samurai set you buy for example. Point of this being, I always liked the idea that each starting class was a specific person who went on some journey and died at whatever point the set is found at. From there you could try to make a story backwards for what they did and why. Was hoping for that again but no luck
yeah i agree. it was definitely like that in ds3 i remember that. the sellsword is near a black knight, etc.but yeah in this game i think every single starting class armor is sold by the traveling merchants so maybe they looted them off the other tarnished that we didnt choose but i agree i prefer how it used to be
@@TheHonoredMadman They are all sold by merchants, the Raging Wolf Armor can be gotten by following the Red Letter in Volcano Manor to a 2v2 invasion fight. so even some things from the Network test exist in the final Lands Between.
To comment about how we likely won't ever see the badlands portrayed, I'm fine with that. Most areas mentioned only in item descriptions or character dialogue isn't ever actually shown in game and I like that better because we all have to come up with what these places look like based on characters from those lands and the few descriptions we get. Also we do see a quick tiny glimpse at what the badlands are in the game intro with Horah Loux crucified and being resurrected by Grace.
Apparently in Japanese the references to "The Land of Reeds" in item descriptions straight up says "Ashina" instead. I don't personally believe that these games are (all) connected, but it's worth noting. Also someone on reddit made a post that has all the spell sigils placed right next to each other a while back, it's worth a look.
Question for a possible future video: do you think the named Tarnish knew each other? Do you think that Gideon and Godfrey knew each other? Did Goldmask and Dung Eater take orders from Godfrey when they were serving in his army?
yeah thatsa good question and one of the topics im least familiar with but i do know that atleast some tarnished knew eachother like dung eater and boggart
Yeah plus they only knew each other because they were serving time together outside of the lands between atleast that's how I took the dialogue when it came to dung eater and prawn man
I think the Tarnished come from wildly different places on the timeline. Like Blackguard and Dung Eater are from the same time period and probably died fairly recently, but there's no telling how long ago Hoarah Loux or Goldmask died, or if they were even alive in the same era
Goldmask looks particularly decrepit. Godfrey would have to be because he predates all of the of the demigods and fought the giants and was running around during the crucible but I agree it's like specific tarnished from specific times. Maybe aside from the important ones it was all random
The prisoner starts with the lowest faith. This could be due to their helmets torture effects. Their low faith in a higher entity or themselves would constitute a form of torture.
"I watched a thing on it back then, but I was kinda stoned." Me, having eaten a gummy and still fixated on the prisoners eye hole in the mask x3 I feel ya
Also high as giraffe dick I noticed the prisoners mask in the item description the mouth hole is closed and the right eye is just a small slit. Yet on character their both open.
Also high as giraffe dick I noticed the prisoners mask in the item description the mouth hole is closed and the right eye is just a small slit. Yet on character their both open.
I think it’s kinda interesting that the Raging Wolf aspired to become the Shadow of an Empyrean… which is very interesting, cuz he wielded a crazy powerful sword that was once owned by a very popular Empyrean - the Dusk-Eyed Queen. I wonder if that has any implications to it
That makes more sense too considering the nox built sellia and the claymans symbol is a throne like the ones with the big skeleton lady's are on in the eternal cities
Excellent video as always, one thing that I think is interesting is that in japanese folklore stagnated water was once said to be cursed. While the connection to the rot god being sealed away and the lake of rot is there the connection with the prince of death and his curse could also be a thing. For example a lot of the Mariners that drop deathroot are typically found in locations where you'll also see these pools of stagnant water around. So the swordsman class being so connected with flowing water could potentially have some meaning there as well. Nothing that I'm certain on of course but just some food for thought
Can one be born Tarnished? I think so but I don't know if it's something you can tell without special powers until they die the first time. One thing. So far as I've found, via Melina's recounting at churches and some other Grace site, is grace was taken from the those who would become tarnished, and then later, via Enia's dialogue concerning the Shattering War, that grace was extended to the Tarnished once more. On top of that, the intro cinematic seems to display each Tarnished dead, with a single piece of Grace contacting them. This I believe, is each Tarnished's resurrection. You get to see where each of us was "laid to rest" Horax Loux was apparently left with Serosh in a rather nasty display on a tree after being shanked by everything in the armoury. Goldmask seems to have died(or been killed?) while working on a large floor carving of the Fundamentalist emblem, he was painting it with gold. Fia appears to have been, as she describes in her own dialogue, giving her life force to a dead king so he could live. When instead of dying, Grace was extended to her. Dung Eater is being executed by the townsfolk of Leyndell, but Grace brings him back. Gideon Olfnir is the only one but us actually in a grave. But he's buried in ears and cradles a box of eyes. So yeah. Then the player, who seems to awaken in a strange empty void before being blinded and awoken in the starting crypt where we were presumably buried. It would seem that Grace was extended not only to those who were dead, but and alive too, dying only to find they were Tarnished when they woke up again. Before the sequence, you can see a ritual or rite being done over many bodies, what could that be? Grace and it's control would seem to be Marika's power, if her recounted words via Melina are accurate. So who is performing the rituals? You can find the same hanging burners in Leyndell.
the Vagabond Knight having some connection to the banished knights isn't too farfetched. I'm of the mind that the banished knights were present since time immemorial and served placidusax (the true first elden lord). The vagabond knight could've been among the ranks and ultimately chose to wander post banishment instead of 'Holding a station/post/fort/' like the others. For if the Vagabond was no vagabond, he/she'd being maintaining their allegiance to some dead demigod/entity/person. All of the starter classes have something like this in common. They are of a time long since passed or even recent history located outside yet affecting the Lands between.
That's a great take. This is now my h3adcanon as well because I agree entirely about the banished knights. They seem to have been around a really long time.
You know. With the whole point of prisoners outfit. It would have been cool if they had a special couple lines strictly for that class. Where prawn bro recognizes you or something or dung eater remembers you and sneers abit and has a extra vendetta. Doesn’t actually affect anything, just abit if extra flavor would be cools
Man, great video, but I think you missed an opportunity with the Vagabond. A few threads that can be further explored/expanded on: - As you mentioned, Vagabond armor is similar to the stock armor you can buy from the finger maidens - why are the finger maidens selling stock armor and gear? Did the vagabond buy this gear before being exiled? Did the two fingers approve the sale of this gear? You can buy the heater shield from the finger maidens as well. - Vagabond was banished - where to? Was the vagabond banished solely for being tarnished? - Vagabond set can be bought in Mountaintop of the Giants - why there? - Starting stats are low in int and faith, which suggests alignment outside of the order (faith), carian (int). But vagabonds by definition have no home - so what does that mean for Vagabond's origin? - There's some interesting gear underneath the vagabond's cape, which further supports that they're traveling knights (as you mentioned).
@@TheHonoredMadman totally got the school of destruction symbol as a neck tat . Really upset the shivering isles isn't on the ps now version of the game but hoping they release the full version with this ps plus update. Can't wait for the next video man keep it up!
Damn I didn't know that, I have it on Xbox and PC, that's super wack they re release skyrim 10 times but won't re-release oblivion at all. But thanks man I appreciate that. I want to eventually make a long video about oblivion because I feel like it doesn't get enough love these days
In every souls game i liked to link the gifts which specify starting Class. Like bandit would get fire bombs, and the paromancer would get fire gem. I dont know why but it was so fun to me
man this is the best lore channel, I love how it doesn't sound like some pompous academic giving the official account, but more like hanging out with your buds and some substances. SO sick. ahh, reminds me of a young me
The fire in the Prophet's vision could be either the Flame of Ruin or the Frenzied Flame, as you can use the mark of the Frenzied Flame as fuel to burn the Erdtree, so that's a neat accidental catch.
I think the Dung Eater was the prisoner. Dung Eaters armor: "Malformed armor resembling an Omen with its horns cut off. Worn by the Dung Eater. The heavy, sun-shaped medallion represents both the guidance he once saw, and the ring to which it will one day lead." His crime in Liurnia was that he looked towards light of the order and the elden ring. He was an apostate. The sun emblem he later used is a clear counter symbol of the moon and might represent the light from the Eerdtree and the Elden Ring. He's still look towards the Order but with hate for the world. He wants to change it. To curse the Order with his blessing by inserting the "Mending Rune of the Fell Curse" and cement the curse within it. To curse them all. "Prisoner Helm: Iron mask forced on a prisoner convicted of an appalling crime. Thick, heavy, and utterly stifling. A foul creation designed to torment the wearer, either slowly fermenting hatred within their heart, or a spiritual fervor that is near indistinguishable from it. " Omen Helm (which looks similar to the Prisoner Helm in the hole of the right eye. Which he carved out as that is the only way he is able to objectively but insanely perceive his environment after his time in the Prisoner Helm) : "Malformed helm resembling an Omen with its horns cut off. Worn by the Dung Eater, their form is a vision of the landscape of his mind, and of his appearance as he wished to see it. The heart of an omen without the body to match; could there be any crueler existence? What does it matter, then, if the curse claims at all?" He got insane from the torment of the mask in jail until he only had hatred in his heart and a mission on his broken mind. Banging his head against the wall and babbling about defilement while Broggart shaking his head in the corner wile sucking on a shrimp, "E's a madman..." I think the Prisoner and Broggart broke out and went separate ways. Broggart started to 'ear rumors of killings and defiled corpses and strung things together that his old prison mate actually went on his proclaimed rampage as the Dung Eater (a recurring tendency by insane people behind bars. They probably didn't bother with psychiatric wards in The Lands Between). Prisoner Clothing: "Tattered clothing. Worn by a prisoner convicted of an appalling crime. Never once washed, every fiber is filthy." He donned the appearance of the Omen. First imprisoned. He was severed and broken down just as he saw the imprisoned Omen of the Order (the broken, disgusting, tormented, feared and reviled). He did not only emulate them to strike the fear in the world he already knew they had from the Omens but also for sympathy. These unwanted creatures that he himself might have seen or heard of, with cut off horns left for dead, "their form is a vision of the landscape of his mind, and of his appearance as he wished to see it". The Dung Eater seems to be able to spread the curse and that curse has a connection to "hate" I believe, or suffering, or something thereof. "The heart of an omen" I translate to "in the same spirit", the same suffering? The same hate? The same experience. I just haven't figured out why "the curse" occurs before The Dung Eater are being able to willingly start spreading it. I assume him an Broggart are younger than the phenomenon. Was it always like that? Or is it just something that happens? Did it happen through Marika or Godfrey (Hoarah Loux), or both? Or someone else in regards to the twins? If so, how? All these questions... Anyhow, my theory regarding the "Prisoner" is that it all goes back to him being thrown in jail living through all that torment and now reliving his newfound dung eating self in the same but insane manner. Convicted criminal and thrown in jail under torment, "The heart of an omen without the body to match; could there be any crueler existence?". But this time together with his soul mates, the cursed.
Do you maybe think that the prisoner class could have a connection to Ranni? Of course they use sorceries but the closed off eye on the helmet of the prisoner class could maybe reference Ranni's closed right eye. Just food for thought.
I definitely think there's atleast a proximity connection with the prisoner having lived among nobles, most likely carian ones from their knowledge of that prototype glintblade spell they start with, and ranni is a princess of Caria so there's atleast some connection
Numen isn't a reference to Lord of the Rings. It's a Latin word meaning something akin to "divine mind." Seeing as Marika is a numen, it makes sense that she was chosen as the Golden Order's herald and God. The Assassins are also numen, and so they might serve an outer god of Destined death, or they might be servants of Ranni's moon god seeing as she planned the Night of Black Knives.
I am so glad you made some of the same connections I did with the Prisoner class. I believe that they were, like you said, either pages (we see several around Caria Manor) or a member of the Carian royal family. Only reason I say a member of the royal family itself is because the fact that Glintblade is the starting sorcery, which like you said is a “prototype” of the Carian sorceries. Sorry for the paragraph but I very much enjoy your content madman! Keep the lore coming, it’s such a fun discussion. Edit because I wasn’t even finished with the video before I heard the Fallout reference. Praise be to Atom!
Personally I think that the Nightfolk are probably Silver Tears that have gained sentience. There's some cut content apparently connected to the Mimic Tear where they are sentient and have the name Asimi (silver in Greek), and considering that the Nox created them to become Gods or at the very least Elden Lord, it makes sense that some have gained sentience and formed their own society somewhere.
awesome video this is the kind of videos we need to get the info and speculate a bit, I love the references especially to Oblivions Prophet, he was hilarious back in the day lol looking forward to the crowns video keep em coming dude
THANK YOU!!! I have been looking for someone to make a video about this! Also, for discussion, did anyone else think From should have put a little more in character backstories or do you think they did enough so that the player could make their own story?
I enjoy the topics you cover that no other channel does! I think if you wrote a script and then add some improv at the end of each segment, the quality of your vids will definitely increase a lot. Thanks for the content, brother
Ha! I spent 2 hours on char select screen trying to get pore bits from the portrait. Glad someone actually did what I got tired of thinking about with so much lore to dig
You're awesome bro. You liked my comment the other day & that small amount of recognition meant something to me. Anyways, great video. Keep the good content coming.
That prayer emote is just a banger. It's been pinned on my emote selection thing in every game it's available in. I picked the prisoner for my first, blind playthrough just based on the stats. Started out as a dexterity swordsman, finished as a powerful caster who wasn't above relentlessly stabbing enemies with a large epeé
Personally I think the hero class is from a more tropical area, considering how in an extremely hot or cold area you need a layer to keep the heat in or sun out (this is the opposite for tropics as the wrong type of fabric/it being too thick can help cause heatstroke) and how the pelts could easily be from some large game animals from a jungle of some sort (and cultures usually make the idea of a battleaxe from the axe being a commonly used tool) And then theres the fact that fromsoft likes to model their worlds and the people that inhabit them at least somewhat off of real world things for inspiration (think how practical the pyromancer's set in each game looks for being in a swamp mixed with the religious iconography) and well... you can look at Nepheli and she looks like she's from around the equator. Although that being said I also believe that the warrior class is from a desert because there is no skin exposed and its implied that they have a high reverence for rivers if the theory of the blue fairy being the spirit of sophia river is correct
The prisoner seems to be inspired by a real unidentified person called the man in the iron mask who was a prisoner in several prisons during the french revolution
Can you make a video on all of the incantations and sorceries origins. Like each of their "icons" and all that. Stuff like Carian sorceries to Blackflame incantations!!
I think the tree burning prophecy is what made Marika seal away destined death... she definitely didn't like it and I think the flame of ruin only burned the physical part of the tree but the erdtree which is the golden part of it still stood ( a ghost in ashen capital says this) and destined death was required to destroy the golden part.
"I watched a video on it, but I don't know I was stoned." This is why Vaati or whatever can go get stuffed, us lamens have our own champion of lore. Lol
Missed opportunity to not start the prophet out with a club. It could have been a world building thing where they aren't allowed to bear steel weapons or something. Maybe grrm didn't want to rehash AFfC or maybe it was simply an in game balancing thing idk
Confessor Cromwell when he worships a literal nuclear bomb. Would love to see you talk about fallout stuff, if you're down for that. Great video, loved your take on the swordsman and the master swordsman.
Nice that you mention Volke when talking about the Bandit because I literally created my character to look like Volke when I played Bandit. It suck though that this game doesn’t have coats like bloodborne so that my cosplay could be more accurate.
man i love FE path of radiance im actually replaying it so i can make a video on it i just dont know hat footage ima use since i cant record on the gamecube
@@TheHonoredMadman nice. I was also thinking of replaying PoR and fully investing into Volke since recently I’ve been playing a lot of mmos and soulsborne games and just games that have classes and I always go with an Assassin playstyle/character.
Haha yo I thought the exact same thing because someone else brought up how in past games we'd find the corpses of the other starting classes but in this one we don't so it seems like the merchants at the very least looted the other tarnished
6:26 shamsheer is Persian word for Sword.. im persian and its legit.. If you look at warrior clothes thats a old Persia cloth as well.. By the way we have a demon king in our Greatest book_ the book of kings a character named Azi Dhaka (dragon) who had 2 snakes on his shoulder.. that book is also theaching in Japan to this day i think (but not our own country!!! Weird!) reminds you of who?? Messmer the Impaler.. btw Dhaka was a demon king.. Made a deal with a devil..
Thx for this. I can’t wait to hear ur Rennala and Mausoleum Knight stuff. I’m also pretty interested in seeing ur take regarding Conspectus stuff and what not - if u got time.
Yeah glintstone crowns and the specific stuff they studied. I might make another one where I go over the different types of sorceries and incantations and the lore behind em
@@TheHonoredMadman That would be cool. There are a lot of “throw away” lore bits that are really only mentioned in item descriptions… which is common for FromSoftware but there are a few things we wouldn’t even known about lol. Like that Crystal Cadre group, a group of sorcerers who fashioned their glinstones into shattering crystal attacks cuz they like, worshiped the Crystalians. Though the only Conspectus shown to actually make use of this sorcery are the Twinsages.
For some reason I was thinking of justified when I was talking about dung eater and boggart doing time
"We ate dung together"
Maybe do a video on the starting template/character creation races?
"i watched a video a while back, i was kinda stoned"
Ah yes, the most relatable and reliable lore youtuber ever. thank you.
Forget Vaati, I want to hear my Elden lore told by stoned funny dude from now on.
What about hot British babe? Miss Chalice?
@@DaniGerman1499 She's great and all, but I feel likr I've dialed a creepy phone sex line when listening to her lol
I personally prefer an arqueology nerd.
@@DaniGerman1499for a hot TH-cam chick she’s surprisingly chill
I like Vaati’s calm soothing voice actually😂 This guy’s great too
interesting video. my interpretation was that the tarnished were "outsiders", descended from the expelled army of godfry or others and not at all familiar with the goings on of the lands between. Whether the lands between is a physical place like a continent or some kind of metaphysical "place" the tarnished are always spoken of having "crossed the sea" to their ancestral home the lands between.
Yeah I forget where but I think it's the anchor weapon description that says they were loaded up on boats and shipped away when godfrey was banished but one ship went missing
@@TheHonoredMadman left behind. It didnt even set sail.
@@TheHonoredMadman a video on the Tarnished as a group would be nice.
Are Tarnished the companions of Godfrey or the descendents of Godfrey/his companions?
Do you need to of already had grace to be a Tarnished?
Can you be born a Tarnished?
To me, my interpretation is that all Tarnished are members of Godfrey's army that were more loyal to him then Markia/the Greater Will/Golden Order, and in absence of an external threat to keep Godfrey occupied Marika feard his ambition. So she stole his grace and used it to justify banishing him and his loyal army. Now that Markia needs an external force to unfuck the Lands inbetween , she's restored the tarnished's grace and hoping they can rescue her from the erd tree.
Given classes like the astrologer, I think all Tarnished are very old and from a single generation. Some classes like the bandit and prisoner represent whats happened to that character since being banished, others like the astrologer and hero represent a unique origin from before they fought with Godfrey.
Oh yeah you right. For some reason my my keeps telling me it has to do with the shipwrecks down on the coast of the weeping peninsula
@@SIRslipperyasp91 Actually it's become pretty evident that Godfrey was in on the banishment or at least understood why Marika did it and it was actually an effort for the tarnished to gain enough power that one of them could challenge the greater will and become a true unshackled Elden Lord.
the prisoner is modeled after grifith when he gets imprisoned cause he clapped the princess cheeks
Yeah he "mingled" with royalty
He "poked the pituitary gland"
"I watched a video on it a while back but I was kinda stoned" is the best possible source I can imagine for lore speculation
you"re my favorite lore guy
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Mine too. No bullshit theory poaching scripts. Just straight off the cuff speculative elaboration. Best.
@@K8theKind that's one of my favorite things is that he rarely uses other people's theories, and if he does it's always credited
You're my favorite comment guy
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Something I really liked about this FromSoft game is that there’s a lot more interaction between other starting classes/class types, for example, meeting blackgaurd, a prisoner, Yuria, a samurai, Corrin, a prophet and so on. In DS1 and 3(didn’t play 2 yet so idk) while you’d sometimes meet a pyromancer and a sorcerer who’d teach you those skills, they didn’t feel as impactful as some of the class sets you meet in ER. At least I think anyway.
Btw great video homie! I was surprised to hear a Geico insurance reference in my Elden Lore lmao
Waiting for an Elden Ring mod where you learn magic on your own; like Astrologers learning from studying certain areas you look at via spyglass/telescope in the sky at night. I think that would be absolutely baller.
Also, I really enjoy your videos, you're straight to the point, chill, and know how to mix humor with direct, subtle, or otherwise speculated references to material! I look forward to more.
I could be very wrong about this, as it’s just from memory but in the past games wasn’t there always a corpse with each starting class armor? I know it’s not that way in this one, samurai set you buy for example.
Point of this being, I always liked the idea that each starting class was a specific person who went on some journey and died at whatever point the set is found at. From there you could try to make a story backwards for what they did and why. Was hoping for that again but no luck
yeah i agree. it was definitely like that in ds3 i remember that. the sellsword is near a black knight, etc.but yeah in this game i think every single starting class armor is sold by the traveling merchants so maybe they looted them off the other tarnished that we didnt choose but i agree i prefer how it used to be
@@TheHonoredMadman They are all sold by merchants, the Raging Wolf Armor can be gotten by following the Red Letter in Volcano Manor to a 2v2 invasion fight. so even some things from the Network test exist in the final Lands Between.
People like: Can't wait to find out more about Godrey, Godwyn and Miquella in the DLC
DLC: Plunkus, Town of the Misled Penguin Knights
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To comment about how we likely won't ever see the badlands portrayed, I'm fine with that. Most areas mentioned only in item descriptions or character dialogue isn't ever actually shown in game and I like that better because we all have to come up with what these places look like based on characters from those lands and the few descriptions we get.
Also we do see a quick tiny glimpse at what the badlands are in the game intro with Horah Loux crucified and being resurrected by Grace.
My real question is who tf is bad ass enough to crucify godfrey
Hulk Hogan
@@TheHonoredMadman HELL YEA BROTHA HH, GONNNA CRUCIFY THIS 'FREY DUDE
Maury: I'm sorry hulk, you are not the brother.
Apparently in Japanese the references to "The Land of Reeds" in item descriptions straight up says "Ashina" instead. I don't personally believe that these games are (all) connected, but it's worth noting.
Also someone on reddit made a post that has all the spell sigils placed right next to each other a while back, it's worth a look.
Ashina means reeds in Japanese. That's probably why you saw that
Question for a possible future video: do you think the named Tarnish knew each other? Do you think that Gideon and Godfrey knew each other? Did Goldmask and Dung Eater take orders from Godfrey when they were serving in his army?
yeah thatsa good question and one of the topics im least familiar with but i do know that atleast some tarnished knew eachother like dung eater and boggart
I'd imagine that unless they were commanders they would have taken orders from someone further down the totem pole
Yeah plus they only knew each other because they were serving time together outside of the lands between atleast that's how I took the dialogue when it came to dung eater and prawn man
I think the Tarnished come from wildly different places on the timeline. Like Blackguard and Dung Eater are from the same time period and probably died fairly recently, but there's no telling how long ago Hoarah Loux or Goldmask died, or if they were even alive in the same era
Goldmask looks particularly decrepit. Godfrey would have to be because he predates all of the of the demigods and fought the giants and was running around during the crucible but I agree it's like specific tarnished from specific times. Maybe aside from the important ones it was all random
The prisoner starts with the lowest faith. This could be due to their helmets torture effects. Their low faith in a higher entity or themselves would constitute a form of torture.
"I watched a thing on it back then, but I was kinda stoned." Me, having eaten a gummy and still fixated on the prisoners eye hole in the mask x3 I feel ya
Also high as giraffe dick I noticed the prisoners mask in the item description the mouth hole is closed and the right eye is just a small slit. Yet on character their both open.
Also high as giraffe dick I noticed the prisoners mask in the item description the mouth hole is closed and the right eye is just a small slit. Yet on character their both open.
I've said before and I'll say it again, cannibas and Soulsborne lore are the perfect combination.
I think it’s kinda interesting that the Raging Wolf aspired to become the Shadow of an Empyrean… which is very interesting, cuz he wielded a crazy powerful sword that was once owned by a very popular Empyrean - the Dusk-Eyed Queen. I wonder if that has any implications to it
The Tarnished do not have the "Grace of Gold" which is why they are Tarnished. They have (or had like Boggart and Rogier) the Guidance of Grace.
yeah thats my bad
The clayman's spell symbols are actually the same as the Sellia spell symbols.
That makes more sense too considering the nox built sellia and the claymans symbol is a throne like the ones with the big skeleton lady's are on in the eternal cities
Excellent video as always, one thing that I think is interesting is that in japanese folklore stagnated water was once said to be cursed. While the connection to the rot god being sealed away and the lake of rot is there the connection with the prince of death and his curse could also be a thing. For example a lot of the Mariners that drop deathroot are typically found in locations where you'll also see these pools of stagnant water around. So the swordsman class being so connected with flowing water could potentially have some meaning there as well. Nothing that I'm certain on of course but just some food for thought
Can one be born Tarnished? I think so but I don't know if it's something you can tell without special powers until they die the first time.
One thing. So far as I've found, via Melina's recounting at churches and some other Grace site, is grace was taken from the those who would become tarnished, and then later, via Enia's dialogue concerning the Shattering War, that grace was extended to the Tarnished once more.
On top of that, the intro cinematic seems to display each Tarnished dead, with a single piece of Grace contacting them. This I believe, is each Tarnished's resurrection. You get to see where each of us was "laid to rest"
Horax Loux was apparently left with Serosh in a rather nasty display on a tree after being shanked by everything in the armoury.
Goldmask seems to have died(or been killed?) while working on a large floor carving of the Fundamentalist emblem, he was painting it with gold.
Fia appears to have been, as she describes in her own dialogue, giving her life force to a dead king so he could live. When instead of dying, Grace was extended to her.
Dung Eater is being executed by the townsfolk of Leyndell, but Grace brings him back.
Gideon Olfnir is the only one but us actually in a grave. But he's buried in ears and cradles a box of eyes. So yeah.
Then the player, who seems to awaken in a strange empty void before being blinded and awoken in the starting crypt where we were presumably buried.
It would seem that Grace was extended not only to those who were dead, but and alive too, dying only to find they were Tarnished when they woke up again.
Before the sequence, you can see a ritual or rite being done over many bodies, what could that be? Grace and it's control would seem to be Marika's power, if her recounted words via Melina are accurate. So who is performing the rituals? You can find the same hanging burners in Leyndell.
the Vagabond Knight having some connection to the banished knights isn't too farfetched. I'm of the mind that the banished knights were present since time immemorial and served placidusax (the true first elden lord). The vagabond knight could've been among the ranks and ultimately chose to wander post banishment instead of 'Holding a station/post/fort/' like the others. For if the Vagabond was no vagabond, he/she'd being maintaining their allegiance to some dead demigod/entity/person. All of the starter classes have something like this in common. They are of a time long since passed or even recent history located outside yet affecting the Lands between.
That's a great take. This is now my h3adcanon as well because I agree entirely about the banished knights. They seem to have been around a really long time.
You know. With the whole point of prisoners outfit. It would have been cool if they had a special couple lines strictly for that class.
Where prawn bro recognizes you or something or dung eater remembers you and sneers abit and has a extra vendetta.
Doesn’t actually affect anything, just abit if extra flavor would be cools
like how patches sneers at clerics in other souls games
Man, great video, but I think you missed an opportunity with the Vagabond. A few threads that can be further explored/expanded on:
- As you mentioned, Vagabond armor is similar to the stock armor you can buy from the finger maidens - why are the finger maidens selling stock armor and gear? Did the vagabond buy this gear before being exiled? Did the two fingers approve the sale of this gear? You can buy the heater shield from the finger maidens as well.
- Vagabond was banished - where to? Was the vagabond banished solely for being tarnished?
- Vagabond set can be bought in Mountaintop of the Giants - why there?
- Starting stats are low in int and faith, which suggests alignment outside of the order (faith), carian (int). But vagabonds by definition have no home - so what does that mean for Vagabond's origin?
- There's some interesting gear underneath the vagabond's cape, which further supports that they're traveling knights (as you mentioned).
I think that the astrologers lose their grace when Radahn stop the movement of the stars, truncating their work of reading the stars
Nights of the nine was my shit when I was younger man thank you for the nostalgia
Same here man. I loved oblivion growing up my name is a reference to the shivering isles DLC
@@TheHonoredMadman totally got the school of destruction symbol as a neck tat . Really upset the shivering isles isn't on the ps now version of the game but hoping they release the full version with this ps plus update. Can't wait for the next video man keep it up!
Damn I didn't know that, I have it on Xbox and PC, that's super wack they re release skyrim 10 times but won't re-release oblivion at all. But thanks man I appreciate that. I want to eventually make a long video about oblivion because I feel like it doesn't get enough love these days
In every souls game i liked to link the gifts which specify starting Class. Like bandit would get fire bombs, and the paromancer would get fire gem. I dont know why but it was so fun to me
I think the flowing swordsman only wielded one sword because the charm is the counter attack charm and you can't block while powerstancing.
Ahh, my favorite baked loremaster just put out a 30 min vid?! Lets fucking goooooooo.
man this is the best lore channel, I love how it doesn't sound like some pompous academic giving the official account, but more like hanging out with your buds and some substances. SO sick. ahh, reminds me of a young me
The fire in the Prophet's vision could be either the Flame of Ruin or the Frenzied Flame, as you can use the mark of the Frenzied Flame as fuel to burn the Erdtree, so that's a neat accidental catch.
hell yes. had a rough one at work today, just need my stizzy and this newest lore upload!
I think the Dung Eater was the prisoner. Dung Eaters armor: "Malformed armor resembling an Omen with its horns cut off.
Worn by the Dung Eater. The heavy, sun-shaped medallion represents both the guidance he once saw, and the ring to which it will one day lead."
His crime in Liurnia was that he looked towards light of the order and the elden ring. He was an apostate. The sun emblem he later used is a clear counter symbol of the moon and might represent the light from the Eerdtree and the Elden Ring. He's still look towards the Order but with hate for the world. He wants to change it. To curse the Order with his blessing by inserting the "Mending Rune of the Fell Curse" and cement the curse within it. To curse them all.
"Prisoner Helm: Iron mask forced on a prisoner convicted of an appalling crime.
Thick, heavy, and utterly stifling.
A foul creation designed to torment the wearer, either slowly fermenting hatred within their heart, or a spiritual fervor that is near indistinguishable from it. "
Omen Helm (which looks similar to the Prisoner Helm in the hole of the right eye. Which he carved out as that is the only way he is able to objectively but insanely perceive his environment after his time in the Prisoner Helm) : "Malformed helm resembling an Omen with its horns cut off.
Worn by the Dung Eater, their form is a vision of the landscape of his mind, and of his appearance as he wished to see it.
The heart of an omen without the body to match; could there be any crueler existence? What does it matter, then, if the curse claims at all?"
He got insane from the torment of the mask in jail until he only had hatred in his heart and a mission on his broken mind. Banging his head against the wall and babbling about defilement while Broggart shaking his head in the corner wile sucking on a shrimp, "E's a madman..."
I think the Prisoner and Broggart broke out and went separate ways. Broggart started to 'ear rumors of killings and defiled corpses and strung things together that his old prison mate actually went on his proclaimed rampage as the Dung Eater (a recurring tendency by insane people behind bars. They probably didn't bother with psychiatric wards in The Lands Between).
Prisoner Clothing: "Tattered clothing.
Worn by a prisoner convicted of an appalling crime.
Never once washed, every fiber is filthy."
He donned the appearance of the Omen. First imprisoned. He was severed and broken down just as he saw the imprisoned Omen of the Order (the broken, disgusting, tormented, feared and reviled). He did not only emulate them to strike the fear in the world he already knew they had from the Omens but also for sympathy. These unwanted creatures that he himself might have seen or heard of, with cut off horns left for dead, "their form is a vision of the landscape of his mind, and of his appearance as he wished to see it".
The Dung Eater seems to be able to spread the curse and that curse has a connection to "hate" I believe, or suffering, or something thereof. "The heart of an omen" I translate to "in the same spirit", the same suffering? The same hate? The same experience. I just haven't figured out why "the curse" occurs before The Dung Eater are being able to willingly start spreading it. I assume him an Broggart are younger than the phenomenon. Was it always like that? Or is it just something that happens? Did it happen through Marika or Godfrey (Hoarah Loux), or both? Or someone else in regards to the twins? If so, how? All these questions...
Anyhow, my theory regarding the "Prisoner" is that it all goes back to him being thrown in jail living through all that torment and now reliving his newfound dung eating self in the same but insane manner. Convicted criminal and thrown in jail under torment, "The heart of an omen without the body to match; could there be any crueler existence?".
But this time together with his soul mates, the cursed.
Do you maybe think that the prisoner class could have a connection to Ranni? Of course they use sorceries but the closed off eye on the helmet of the prisoner class could maybe reference Ranni's closed right eye. Just food for thought.
I definitely think there's atleast a proximity connection with the prisoner having lived among nobles, most likely carian ones from their knowledge of that prototype glintblade spell they start with, and ranni is a princess of Caria so there's atleast some connection
It's crazy how deep this game is. Shit like I still haven't found the Sauron tower even tho I looked all over the weeping peninsula
It’s north , before the 1st lift towards the right
Numen isn't a reference to Lord of the Rings. It's a Latin word meaning something akin to "divine mind." Seeing as Marika is a numen, it makes sense that she was chosen as the Golden Order's herald and God. The Assassins are also numen, and so they might serve an outer god of Destined death, or they might be servants of Ranni's moon god seeing as she planned the Night of Black Knives.
I am so glad you made some of the same connections I did with the Prisoner class. I believe that they were, like you said, either pages (we see several around Caria Manor) or a member of the Carian royal family. Only reason I say a member of the royal family itself is because the fact that Glintblade is the starting sorcery, which like you said is a “prototype” of the Carian sorceries. Sorry for the paragraph but I very much enjoy your content madman! Keep the lore coming, it’s such a fun discussion.
Edit because I wasn’t even finished with the video before I heard the Fallout reference. Praise be to Atom!
Personally I think that the Nightfolk are probably Silver Tears that have gained sentience. There's some cut content apparently connected to the Mimic Tear where they are sentient and have the name Asimi (silver in Greek), and considering that the Nox created them to become Gods or at the very least Elden Lord, it makes sense that some have gained sentience and formed their own society somewhere.
awesome video this is the kind of videos we need to get the info and speculate a bit, I love the references especially to Oblivions Prophet, he was hilarious back in the day lol looking forward to the crowns video keep em coming dude
“I watched a video on it when I was kinda stoned. Anyway moving on” lmfao
THANK YOU!!! I have been looking for someone to make a video about this! Also, for discussion, did anyone else think From should have put a little more in character backstories or do you think they did enough so that the player could make their own story?
Sun Zhu once said:
“Poke him with the pointy end or whatever”
You’re like a cool and laid back version of a Souls lore TH-camr. Can’t say I don’t like it. Great video keep it up.
I enjoy the topics you cover that no other channel does! I think if you wrote a script and then add some improv at the end of each segment, the quality of your vids will definitely increase a lot. Thanks for the content, brother
Thanks man I appreciate the feedback
Your half apathetic tone (or maybe just pretty baked I can't tell) is oddly enchanting to listen to.
Ha! I spent 2 hours on char select screen trying to get pore bits from the portrait.
Glad someone actually did what I got tired of thinking about with so much lore to dig
Best way to start any eldin ring video. Fyling dog.
deepest lore: the Numen are actually a tongue-in-cheek Seinfeld reference
I was so close to using a picture of Newman Newman I talked about them awhile back
"I watched a video about it awhile back but i was kinda stoned so...." bruh i've never related to anything more in my entire life.
You're awesome bro. You liked my comment the other day & that small amount of recognition meant something to me. Anyways, great video. Keep the good content coming.
That prayer emote is just a banger. It's been pinned on my emote selection thing in every game it's available in. I picked the prisoner for my first, blind playthrough just based on the stats. Started out as a dexterity swordsman, finished as a powerful caster who wasn't above relentlessly stabbing enemies with a large epeé
What an opening shot 👏
side note: love the Dragon Age series 👍 👌
“I watched it when I was kinda stoned I dunno, moving on” yeah take my like, sir
Another great video. Whenever I get off work and see that you've uploaded I get excited. Keep it up boss.
The Geico commercial joke made me legit laugh out loud. Love every bit of this video, great work as always.
I felt all your terror and relief at 8:15
27:07 whats the fit? it looks so cool and cinematic
Personally I think the hero class is from a more tropical area, considering how in an extremely hot or cold area you need a layer to keep the heat in or sun out (this is the opposite for tropics as the wrong type of fabric/it being too thick can help cause heatstroke) and how the pelts could easily be from some large game animals from a jungle of some sort (and cultures usually make the idea of a battleaxe from the axe being a commonly used tool)
And then theres the fact that fromsoft likes to model their worlds and the people that inhabit them at least somewhat off of real world things for inspiration (think how practical the pyromancer's set in each game looks for being in a swamp mixed with the religious iconography) and well... you can look at Nepheli and she looks like she's from around the equator.
Although that being said I also believe that the warrior class is from a desert because there is no skin exposed and its implied that they have a high reverence for rivers if the theory of the blue fairy being the spirit of sophia river is correct
The prisoner seems to be inspired by a real unidentified person called the man in the iron mask who was a prisoner in several prisons during the french revolution
Can you make a video on all of the incantations and sorceries origins. Like each of their "icons" and all that. Stuff like Carian sorceries to Blackflame incantations!!
Hell yeah I can. I actually been wanting to do something like that
When i beat elden ring i got bored and now i make up stories based on the class i choose for a play through
The "Warrior" class' lore is a nod to the "Water Dancers" of A Song of Ice & Fire.
Makes sense to me
sim etar bro. "skim etar" you got me giggling with that.
The confessors look cool, funny on being the assassins for the church for some reason.
I think the tree burning prophecy is what made Marika seal away destined death... she definitely didn't like it and I think the flame of ruin only burned the physical part of the tree but the erdtree which is the golden part of it still stood ( a ghost in ashen capital says this) and destined death was required to destroy the golden part.
Was going to go to sleep, think il watch this first.
Up there with the best lore channels definitely
"I watched a video on it, but I don't know I was stoned." This is why Vaati or whatever can go get stuffed, us lamens have our own champion of lore. Lol
I flip my shit when you upload you’re the best goddamn elden ring lore TH-camr
I like the theory that the numen race are numenors from Tolkien who just got extremely lost
Definitely my favorite video you’ve done, this makes me so happy man thank you, keep up the good shit 🔥🔥🔥
your vids are getting so much better man keep it up
Missed opportunity to not start the prophet out with a club. It could have been a world building thing where they aren't allowed to bear steel weapons or something. Maybe grrm didn't want to rehash AFfC or maybe it was simply an in game balancing thing idk
Confessor Cromwell when he worships a literal nuclear bomb. Would love to see you talk about fallout stuff, if you're down for that. Great video, loved your take on the swordsman and the master swordsman.
love fallout. mainly 2, 3 and new vegas but definitely want to cover some fallout lore bits
I really like the lore of different classes. Keep it up!
I really like this video as I want to do basic builds based on the lore of the classes, so thanks! This will really help
The Dagoh Ur thing had me rolling 🤣
I'm kinda stoned
Haven't been down for long, but thank you.
Homie name dropped BIG DICK BAZUSO ….. respect
Nice that you mention Volke when talking about the Bandit because I literally created my character to look like Volke when I played Bandit. It suck though that this game doesn’t have coats like bloodborne so that my cosplay could be more accurate.
man i love FE path of radiance im actually replaying it so i can make a video on it i just dont know hat footage ima use since i cant record on the gamecube
@@TheHonoredMadman nice. I was also thinking of replaying PoR and fully investing into Volke since recently I’ve been playing a lot of mmos and soulsborne games and just games that have classes and I always go with an Assassin playstyle/character.
@@TheHonoredMadman can’t get enough of those crits and dodges and of course Lethality.
You should do some Elder Scrolls Lore, Perhaps the first one on the best character, The False dreamer himself- Dagoth ur.
I DEFINITELY have plans to cover the great Sharmat himself, dagoth ur and the sixth house. Followed by pelinal the cyborg, and of course sheogorath
22:18 "the colour of a dark elf"
I killed all the merchants, but each merchant that sold the armour I instantly hated them, thinking that the merchants had killed the tarnished
Haha yo I thought the exact same thing because someone else brought up how in past games we'd find the corpses of the other starting classes but in this one we don't so it seems like the merchants at the very least looted the other tarnished
@@TheHonoredMadman the one who sells you the astrologer set says “don’t ask where I got my items” or something similar to that
6:26 shamsheer is Persian word for Sword..
im persian and its legit..
If you look at warrior clothes thats a old Persia cloth as well..
By the way we have a demon king in our
Greatest book_ the book of kings
a character named Azi Dhaka (dragon)
who had 2 snakes on his shoulder..
that book is also theaching in Japan to this day i think
(but not our own country!!! Weird!)
reminds you of who??
Messmer the Impaler..
btw Dhaka was a demon king..
Made a deal with a devil..
so fckng happy i found this channel
Thx for this. I can’t wait to hear ur Rennala and Mausoleum Knight stuff. I’m also pretty interested in seeing ur take regarding Conspectus stuff and what not - if u got time.
Yeah glintstone crowns and the specific stuff they studied. I might make another one where I go over the different types of sorceries and incantations and the lore behind em
@@TheHonoredMadman That would be cool. There are a lot of “throw away” lore bits that are really only mentioned in item descriptions… which is common for FromSoftware but there are a few things we wouldn’t even known about lol.
Like that Crystal Cadre group, a group of sorcerers who fashioned their glinstones into shattering crystal attacks cuz they like, worshiped the Crystalians. Though the only Conspectus shown to actually make use of this sorcery are the Twinsages.
Dragonhood is the highest form of ascension in the souls games
No one suspects the orders confersors!
The confessors do look like church hunters
You're my new favorite channel
Nice video. I dig your style
Rift shield eye may be a nod to Astel seeing as he is a sorcerer
Love your vids, bro! Thanks for the lore
Love your vids man thanks !!
you are right dude... Darksouls 2 Bandits seems like to wear cauldrons or anything cooking tools found in a kitchen, not a well design class.
I’d love to hear about the starting classes of the network test.
Prisoners might be merchants
I think you missed the Truth Seeker when covering the race part and skipped straight to nightfolk...
yeah idk why i did that i noticed that in the playback
Kind of hate how the prisoner helmet doesn't have both eyes visible. Would fit perfectly with the frenized flame
Coryn is loyal to the Golden Order, not the Fingers. If you give him Fingers prayer books, he’ll say they’re heretical.
Damn I gave all my books to miriel everytime but I didn't even think to check that thanks