You make it seem like a dragon goes up to the targaryens and chooses a rider lol. I read the fire and blood book and the only time a dragon refused the rider was with Aera Targaryen. However, she was still successful in claiming a dragon but that dragon wouldn't listen to command... probably because she was a little girl claiming the biggest dragon. So daemon younger daughter probably wanted to wait until she got older to claim vhagar, so she doesn't have the same fate as Aera. But Aemond being the snake he is, claimed her first. My point: as long as the person has targaryen blood then the riderless dragon will most likely accept you. In other words, the dragon doesn't get to decide
In terms of diplomacy, he stole the dragon from house Valaryon. If Aegon died in his youth and someone took Sunfire without a negotiation with the crown, there would be a big problem.
@@TheKillaShowdiplomacy? No house has any right to a dragon? Where was the diplomacy when Laena took Vhagar from House Targaryen, from Barlow the Brave?
@@rudyhernandez7128 dragons literally rejected riders all the time. If you read the book, do you remember the dragon seeds? So many of them died trying to claim a dragon. Dragons are EXTREMELY picky about who they bond with. That’s why the Targaryens have so much power. Like that’s the whole point.
Before she was Laena's dragon, Vhagar bonded with Baelon, Viserys' father and Aemond's grandfather, but she didn't pass to Viserys, Daemon, Rhaenyra, or even Luke, Jace, Aegon, Aemond, or Helaena. Dragons aren't passed down hereditarily; if they were, Aemond would, ironically, be within his rights to take Vhagar back from the person that "stole" his grandfather's dragon. It was a jerk move for him to do it at the funeral, but Aemond's logic was correct: if Rhaena wanted to claim Vhagar, she had literal weeks to do so. There was no assumption that Vhagar would become Rhaena's because that has never been how dragons work.
I disagree with your last sentence. If you read the book then you would know a riderless dragon almost never denies a person with targaryen blood. So I think it's safe to say Vhagar would have accepted Rhaena based on history. Again there is terms of conditions that have to be met. Firstly, the person needs targaryen blood. Secondly, the dragon needs to be riderless. Name a time when a riderless dragon deny a targaryen... I'll wait. You could say Aera but technically she still succeeded in claiming it. So as long as those two conditions are met then I think it's safe to assume based on the previous 130 years of dragon claiming.
@@rudyhernandez7128 Nothing of what you wrote has anything to do with my last sentence. There was no assumption of dragons passing down through a family tree. The children are acting as if Rhaena had a right to bond with Vhagar when that has never been how dragon ridership worked. When a dragon had no rider, it was fair game for any dragonless Targaryen. Like I said, if that's how they worked, then you could argue that Laena stole Vhagar from Baelon's line and Aemond took her back.
@@Adamantium93 Maegor waited to take his father dragon. Aegon (the uncrown) took his father Aneys dragon. So if there a person waiting then it will most likely be claimed by descendants. But if everyone from that line already has dragons then it's fair game. Laena didn't steal from Baelon line because every one from Baelons line already had dragons... not to mention, Rhaena is from baelon line lol. Did you forget who fatherd her? If it's fair game then Aemomd wouldn't be sneaking around at night to take a dragon. Why else would he sneak around? And everything of what I wrote had to do with your last sentence lol. You said "there's no assumption Vhagar would be Rhaenas because that's not how dragons work" History says you're wrong about that. As long as the dragon is riderless then it will almost always accept a Targaryen who doesn't have a dragon. So it's safe to assume that vhagar would have accepted her.
@@rudyhernandez7128 You're misreading my last sentence. I meant no assumption that Rhaena would have ownership or rights to Vhagar. And the examples you gave (Maegor and Aegon Uncrowned) are the exceptions that prove the rule. They are literally from a time when the only Targaryens are a single family. If the dragons were heirlooms and passed by birthright, then Maegor would not have a legitimate claim to Balerion--the Black Dread would have been Aneys', and by right Aegon the uncrowned's. Maegor would have had to wait until Vhagar was riderless to claim her, or convinced Aneys to give him Balerion.
@@Adamantium93 All I'm saying is if it was truly fair game then Aemomd wouldn't be sneaking around at night to take her. Of course it's not a literal rule or law... I'm not saying it is... it's more like a unwritten rule. The fact that Aemond had to sneak around at night proofs my point
By the way, the "heat can't hurt Targaryens" in the books was specifically a Daenerys thing. While some Targs in the show do seem to have greater tolerance for heat, they can absolutely be burned.
Girl Laenor's anguished wailing over his boyfriend gets me every time too, most reactions I've seen skip it or don't comment on Laenor's loss at all but it's so tragic, they seemed so happy together.
You can’t steal a dragon. Aemond was well within his rights to claim Vhagar, seeing as Laena claimed Vhagar from Daemon and Viserys’ father and Aemond’s grandfather.
in terms of how everyone in the universe is gonna treat that act, yes you can. While it's true that dragons have minds of their own that are smarter than normal animals, they're still "owned" by their riders within this society. Plus, he knew exactly what he was doing. Intentions matter.
@@elliedavies7138 they are not owned by their riders they are a dragon! lol they maybe could if they didnt lose all the knowledge and sorcery from old valaryia.
@@etc8217 in terms of how society views it they are linked in such a way that "steal" would be the correct term to use for someone persuading a dragon to leave it's rider. In the same way someone would steal someones husband or wife by making them cheat on them, it's obviously not a legal thing, but the term steal is still appropriate.
In episode 7 Driftmark ,, Lana's funeral you said "I'm not sure how you feel about that " about her coffin going into the sea then you said "What if they want to go scuba diving " Ummmm .. don't think they do that in that time period
It´s not a "Game of Thrones" thing, women mature when they get their period. In the middle ages aka medieval times, humans didn't live till 80 or 90, most died between 40-60. Desperate times desperate measures. You must make hay while the sun is out.
He didn't "steal the dragon". A dragon is not a toy, is a living being that chooses the rider
You make it seem like a dragon goes up to the targaryens and chooses a rider lol.
I read the fire and blood book and the only time a dragon refused the rider was with Aera Targaryen. However, she was still successful in claiming a dragon but that dragon wouldn't listen to command... probably because she was a little girl claiming the biggest dragon. So daemon younger daughter probably wanted to wait until she got older to claim vhagar, so she doesn't have the same fate as Aera. But Aemond being the snake he is, claimed her first.
My point: as long as the person has targaryen blood then the riderless dragon will most likely accept you. In other words, the dragon doesn't get to decide
If aemond steal vhagar. Then daemon also steal caraxes and rhaeneys stole meleys😊@@rudyhernandez7128
In terms of diplomacy, he stole the dragon from house Valaryon. If Aegon died in his youth and someone took Sunfire without a negotiation with the crown, there would be a big problem.
@@TheKillaShowdiplomacy? No house has any right to a dragon? Where was the diplomacy when Laena took Vhagar from House Targaryen, from Barlow the Brave?
@@rudyhernandez7128 dragons literally rejected riders all the time. If you read the book, do you remember the dragon seeds? So many of them died trying to claim a dragon. Dragons are EXTREMELY picky about who they bond with. That’s why the Targaryens have so much power. Like that’s the whole point.
Before she was Laena's dragon, Vhagar bonded with Baelon, Viserys' father and Aemond's grandfather, but she didn't pass to Viserys, Daemon, Rhaenyra, or even Luke, Jace, Aegon, Aemond, or Helaena. Dragons aren't passed down hereditarily; if they were, Aemond would, ironically, be within his rights to take Vhagar back from the person that "stole" his grandfather's dragon. It was a jerk move for him to do it at the funeral, but Aemond's logic was correct: if Rhaena wanted to claim Vhagar, she had literal weeks to do so. There was no assumption that Vhagar would become Rhaena's because that has never been how dragons work.
I disagree with your last sentence.
If you read the book then you would know a riderless dragon almost never denies a person with targaryen blood. So I think it's safe to say Vhagar would have accepted Rhaena based on history. Again there is terms of conditions that have to be met. Firstly, the person needs targaryen blood. Secondly, the dragon needs to be riderless. Name a time when a riderless dragon deny a targaryen... I'll wait.
You could say Aera but technically she still succeeded in claiming it.
So as long as those two conditions are met then I think it's safe to assume based on the previous 130 years of dragon claiming.
@@rudyhernandez7128 Nothing of what you wrote has anything to do with my last sentence. There was no assumption of dragons passing down through a family tree. The children are acting as if Rhaena had a right to bond with Vhagar when that has never been how dragon ridership worked. When a dragon had no rider, it was fair game for any dragonless Targaryen. Like I said, if that's how they worked, then you could argue that Laena stole Vhagar from Baelon's line and Aemond took her back.
@@Adamantium93 Maegor waited to take his father dragon. Aegon (the uncrown) took his father Aneys dragon. So if there a person waiting then it will most likely be claimed by descendants. But if everyone from that line already has dragons then it's fair game.
Laena didn't steal from Baelon line because every one from Baelons line already had dragons... not to mention, Rhaena is from baelon line lol. Did you forget who fatherd her?
If it's fair game then Aemomd wouldn't be sneaking around at night to take a dragon. Why else would he sneak around?
And everything of what I wrote had to do with your last sentence lol. You said "there's no assumption Vhagar would be Rhaenas because that's not how dragons work" History says you're wrong about that. As long as the dragon is riderless then it will almost always accept a Targaryen who doesn't have a dragon. So it's safe to assume that vhagar would have accepted her.
@@rudyhernandez7128 You're misreading my last sentence. I meant no assumption that Rhaena would have ownership or rights to Vhagar.
And the examples you gave (Maegor and Aegon Uncrowned) are the exceptions that prove the rule. They are literally from a time when the only Targaryens are a single family. If the dragons were heirlooms and passed by birthright, then Maegor would not have a legitimate claim to Balerion--the Black Dread would have been Aneys', and by right Aegon the uncrowned's. Maegor would have had to wait until Vhagar was riderless to claim her, or convinced Aneys to give him Balerion.
@@Adamantium93 All I'm saying is if it was truly fair game then Aemomd wouldn't be sneaking around at night to take her. Of course it's not a literal rule or law... I'm not saying it is... it's more like a unwritten rule. The fact that Aemond had to sneak around at night proofs my point
3 hour multicut? You are crazy, great reactions! 👌😊
By the way, the "heat can't hurt Targaryens" in the books was specifically a Daenerys thing. While some Targs in the show do seem to have greater tolerance for heat, they can absolutely be burned.
Yeah, Daenerys represents a river-goddess in the books or "Kali". The surviving fire is literally seen as a miracle.
Girl Laenor's anguished wailing over his boyfriend gets me every time too, most reactions I've seen skip it or don't comment on Laenor's loss at all but it's so tragic, they seemed so happy together.
Season 2 starts on Sunday and will be 8 episodes, plus season 3 is already ordered
You can’t steal a dragon. Aemond was well within his rights to claim Vhagar, seeing as Laena claimed Vhagar from Daemon and Viserys’ father and Aemond’s grandfather.
you cannot 'steal' a dragon
in terms of how everyone in the universe is gonna treat that act, yes you can. While it's true that dragons have minds of their own that are smarter than normal animals, they're still "owned" by their riders within this society. Plus, he knew exactly what he was doing. Intentions matter.
@@elliedavies7138 they are not owned by their riders they are a dragon! lol they maybe could if they didnt lose all the knowledge and sorcery from old valaryia.
@@etc8217 in terms of how society views it they are linked in such a way that "steal" would be the correct term to use for someone persuading a dragon to leave it's rider. In the same way someone would steal someones husband or wife by making them cheat on them, it's obviously not a legal thing, but the term steal is still appropriate.
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Idk why everyones enamored with picking sides. This is a tragedy.
In episode 7 Driftmark ,, Lana's funeral you said "I'm not sure how you feel about that " about her coffin going into the sea then you said "What if they want to go scuba diving " Ummmm .. don't think they do that in that time period
It´s not a "Game of Thrones" thing, women mature when they get their period. In the middle ages aka medieval times, humans didn't live till 80 or 90, most died between 40-60.
Desperate times desperate measures. You must make hay while the sun is out.
true and not just in the middle ages, it was pretty much everytime other in human history across most civilizations indepently of each other.
Something tells me you would like the Penguin which will be September
Thanks for this! Do you plan on reacting to season 4 of the boys?
Daemon aka The Rogue Prince is the MVP of this show imo
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Haha is normal to watch reactos support the black side, they choose whatever the show impresses upon them