Rings of Power 1x1 Reaction "A Shadow of the Past"
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- Badd Medicine here and its Lord of the Rings reaction time. Let's hope this series makes a strong turn around. Little bit of a slow start. But some little things we did see from the movie. This is definitely not from the Tolkien books. Which many have stated. But, it is more LOTRs content. We do hope the action picks up a bit.
THE LORD OF THE RINGS SERIES PREMIERE! The Rings Of Power Ep 1 Galadriel is disturbed by signs of Sauron return; Arondir makes an unsettling discovery; Elrond is presented with an intriguing new venture; Nori breaks the Harfoot community's most deeply-held rule. The J.R.R. Tolkienuniverse continues expansion post Return Of The King & The Hobbit!
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Well did this live up to your expectations? What's your reaction to this first episode? Did we miss any Easter eggs?
Hard to say with the easter eggs since 95% of what you saw was not lore accurate.
It’s terrible
I love first two episodes and i cant wait for more! 🥰
It's not good. Not really connected to anything but some bizarre 21st century desire to make it "inclusive".
Just the names used.
@Bad Boys Boogie ohhh no, you opened a can of worms 😂😂 but I agree, there was very little of this age written, and also of this time period( the beginning ish of the 2nd age) almost nothing is said.
Greetings from Germany! I did read that Galadriel is almost 7000 years old at the end of Lord of the Rings. Gandalf was about 3000-4000 years old (in his human form) and Aragon was over 200 years old when he died. Sauron is the oldest of all, his age is not exactly known, but he must be older than Galadriel! ❤btw the daughter of Galadriel is the future wife of Elrond and is Arwens mother .So Galadriel is Arwens Grandmother😃
Gandalf (and Sauron and Saruman and some others) are all Maia; angels. They are FAR older than any of the the Children of Iluvatar. As elves go, Galadriel is fairly old (she was born in Valinor while the Two Trees were in flower), but far from the oldest. I'm not even sure that her grandfather Finwë is among the oldest of the elves (he might be), and he came from Cuivienen, where the first elves were born. That was so long ago that geologically significant time has passed; "To Cuivienen there is no returning".
And what about Tom Bombadil?
Galadriel is somewhere between at minimum 5000 years old during the first age, but most likely she is into the 20.000s
@@servantofmelian9966 Cirdan is the oldest Elf. He is one of the three elves that first woke at Cirvurnian, and was taken to Valinor by Orome to meet the Valar face to face.
They are the closest thing to triplets, and I suspect Cirdan is the oldest, but cannot be sure. I know he never returned to Valinor, because Thingel, the other of the three to wake up first, went missing in Beleriand.
Elves get to adulthood in about 50-100 years. Thats the first stage of their lives, out of three. The second stage is the stage we've seen in all the movies and stories too, this is the stage they spend the most time, thousands upon thousands of years. We only know of one elf who is in his third stage, Cirdan, he's the lord of the havens everyone sails into the west from. He's over 10,000 years old and he looks like he has aged a bit, he's the only elf we see who has a beard.
Which is why it's weird that Celebrimbor in this show looks like an old man while Galadriel whos of the same generation as his father looks so young. Neither of them should be in their third stage, so why they made Calabrimbor look old is beyond me. Even with Gil-Galad, he looks older than Galadriel even though she could be his grandmother. His father Orodreth is the son of Galadriels brother.
Tolkien changed how Elves age in the newer Nature of Middle-earth book. That being said, it is really weird for Celebrimbor to look so much older than Galadriel, lol.
@@TolkienAnswers Nature of Middle earth is not Tolkien's . That's now what JRR Tolkien mainly stressed upon.
I know right. Celebrimbor should not be tht old. That was so weird for me to accept.
@@sanchayansarkar2953 No, it actually is a collection of some of Tolkien's final writings.
That’s one of my tiny nitpicks with the original movie trilogy. Lord Elrond has wrinkles/looks older than Galadriel…. But she’s quite literally his children’s granny!
That being said, Hugo Weaving’s presence and performance made up for that detail.
Elves are biologically immortal. They can be killed, but they don't die of old age or illness.
Thank you for this tidbit
@@BaddMedicine but they may die of depression.
Even when elves die, in battle fr example, their spirit (soul if you will) live on and they can be reincarnated. They will live as long as the world lives.
@@BaddMedicine Elves who die are sent to the Halls of Mandos, a sort of purgatory where they unload all their past trauma. They are rebound into new life. We saw a version of this when Gandalf returned.
@@melodyprojekt Galadriel was born in Valinor during the ages of the Two Trees, putting her at a minimum of 7,000 years old. I think 8,000 is more likely. Cirdan predates her by several thousand years (possibly tens of thousands of years) since he was part of the original migration westward (before he stalled trying to find Elwe).
Yes, elves are immortal and for the most part reach maturity and stop aging for millennia.
And the war shown in the prologue would’ve lasted around 455 years, basically the entire First Age (specifically called the first age of the sun, as before this age there was no sun or moon, only the light of the Two Trees you also see in the prologue). Galadriel and Gil-galad (the king) were both born in Valinor, the Undying Lands, before the first age during the Years of the Trees, but Galadriel is far older. She’s nearly 1000 years old when the high elves go to middle earth to fight Morgoth, whereas Gil-galad is around 100 or so, very young for an elf, at that time.
So they both have seen the nearly 5 centuries of warfare against Morgoth and his downfall, both losing their entire families (they’re close relatives in the same royal Elven house, along with Elrond) so i like that they showed the effects of the war on the Elves psyche, who for the most part want to put it behind them.
The show itself takes place in the Second Age, so this is probably around 2000+ years after the war with Morgoth ended. And all of this takes place 4 to 5000 years BEFORE the lord of the rings movies so this is a world that looks nothing like the one we see in the movies. This is the second age, when most peoples of middle earth were at the height of their glory and splendor, whereas the LOTR movies take place at the end of the third age when the world is much older, greyer, and most of the ancient glorious kingdoms have fallen or have become shadows of their former selves.
I agree with everything except one thing. Gil Galad was not born in Valinor, he was born in Middle-Earth after the Noldor got there.
@@AmarthwenNarmacil Tolkien’s last words on the matter was that Gil-Galad was born in Valinor, since he changed his views on how elves age and felt it better than Gil-galad was born earlier. It’s covered in Nature of Middle Earth which is made up of many of Tolkien’s final notes. Man changed his opinions on Gil-galad so many times haha
I would consider myself as an open minded Tolkien purist, if that makes any sense.
Most of the characters here are made up so far except for Galadriel, Finrod, Elrond and Gil Galad (I hope I haven't forgotten anyone) but this is due to the fact that this story is not from a book with a fleshed out story but basically just a history book where only main events and characters are listed. So I don't have an issue with that so far if it stays true to the spirit of the story. I also don't mind the short hair, tbh. It's unusual but I thinks it looks kinda good although I still prefer long hair for Elves.
What I'm not a fan of is changes to the story that is actually written by Tolkien, like the death of Finrod for example. I'm also not thrilled with the forced Elf-Human love story.
So far the show looks absolutely stunning and amazing, but I'm not 100% into the story yet. I expect it to pick up pace a bit in the next 2 episodes and I hope they go in the right direction with all the storylines.
Celebrimbor is also a canonical character (and should eventually become a very important one), and of course Morgoth and Sauron.
Lol, there's nothing "purist" about your take.
Elves live until the world ends. They can "die" from violence or heartbreak, in which case their souls go to the "Halls of Mandos" and can eventually be reborn into the world (Finrod was reborn quite quickly, Feanor is still in the Halls of Mandos). They mature at somewhere between 60 and 120 years.
That elvish city we saw at the very beginning is Tirion, home of the Noldor, or "Deep Elves". Galadrial is a Noldo (and of the royal family). The Vanyar, or "Light Elves" (considered the highest of the high elves) once lived there also, but migrated to the holy mountain.
On the whole, I liked this very much, but I have two quibbles: One, Galadriel was among the leaders of the Noldar when some of them rebelled against the Valar, and is thus under the Doom of Mandos and is not permitted to return to Valinor, and even a dispensation from Gil-Galad (who was NOT born in Valinor) can not override that (hence her turning down the one ring when Frodo offered it to her; that granted the dispensation). Two, jumping off the boat and swimming hundreds of miles back to middle earth? Come on!
And Oak, sorry this is too new for any delightful new memes, but when they develop, you can say "I saw if first".
Here’s the thing about Tolkien purists and all the talks about canon stuff - LOTR is a beloved film trilogy yet I didn’t forget when Tolkien purists trashed those films too when they were being made and released. When they said Peter Jackson did it badly and wrong. Hell, even the Tolkien estate was unhappy and Tolkien’s own son hated the films and even spoke publicly about it ruining his father’s work and legacy. So all the stuff being said about Rings of Power, it’s all just the same stuff being regurgitated every time a new adaptation comes out. Just now this time with a twist of unfortunate racism as people keep being angry that an elf is played by a Black actor. Some people will simply never be happy unless an adaptation is line by line recreated, but that would make a totally boring story.
As someone who grew up loving LOTR and spent so much time writing fanfics set in the world, I LOVE this new show and the new stories. And what I appreciate about this first episode is literally just how they took their time building the foundations. They took their time with the set ups and guiding us into the world.
So many shows nowadays want to get to the big action moments, the virtue of patience is a bit lost, and I’m glad Rings of Power understood the importance of taking its time.
I don't remember any comments from the Tolkien estate, but then, I don't watch for them. There were quite a few comments from "Tolkien purists" (and I go pretty far in that direction), and some of them I consider valid. What I also consider valid is that LOTR (the book) and LOTR (the movie) are in wildly different media. I understand that Tolkien sold the movie rights quite cheaply because he considered the book unfilmable. And in the extended edition discs of the movies, Peter Jackson also stated that the book was unfilmable. But he didn't let a little thing like that stop him.
They are all major works of art for which I am very thankful. I am hopeful that this is also.
Guys, you are great and I say that because you need to be brave to express what you think with honesty and without being cruel, loved your opinions on this episode and again, thank you for the honesty. I also think it started slow but I guess we'll see what's next
Very much appreciated, Alexiani. You'll always get honest with us. I do think with the next 6 we should see it pick up. But I could be wrong lol. Either way, we are interested in seeing what story they give us
@@BaddMedicine thank you for that 🙏🏻 yes, I'm of the same mind, let's see what they have for us
These two writers simply did everything Tolkien in his letters about adaptation told the adaptators not to do :)
- Distortion of charachters - from good to evil, from wise to stupid, changing their goals and their phisical images - check,
- Adding of charachters without anything to do - check,
- Complicating of chronology - check,
- Adding nonsensical allegory (modern day politics) - check,
- Adding nonsensical magic (magic signs and magic swords) - check,
- Adding nonsensical fight scenes - check,
- Not focusing on any of main moral themes of the books,
So yea, what an acomplishement 🤣I can not wait for 2 season to watch all those comic reviews 😝🤣🤓
Great recap guys, enjoyed your reaction and a lot of your early thoughts matched my own. Looking forward to seeing the story develop
Thanks for your reaction, guys.
Btw, hobbits by roughly 3000 (Frodo sets out in 3019) of the Third Age in Tolkien's mythology were a combination of three groups, Fallohides, Harfoots, and Stoors. In this show, you're just seeing members of the Harfoots. And I think that what you're seeing in this show is a time set at roughly 500 to 1000 years into the Second Age. That means it will be 5000-6000 years before the events of LotR timeline. Elrond Half-elven (Part man, part elf, and also part maia through his maternal great-great grandmother) was born close to the end of the First Age in Middle Earth and Gilgalad was likely born a few centuries earlier, also in Middle Earth. Galadriel is much older than both Elrond and Gilgalad, and was born in Valinor sometime before the destruction of the Two Trees, already making her several thousand years old. And all three of these powerful elves are related to each other by varying degrees. So goes the book lore, and like somebody's brothers, I've spent too much time with my nose buried in Prof Tolkien's books...
We may feel that this may be a slow start to the series, but keep in mind that the arc for these characters will be spread across five seasons of TV shows, so they can take some time with introductions. After all, in this episode you have learned that Sauron was the the chief lieutenant of Morgoth, the first Dark Lord, who was defeated at the end of the First Age. And from the books, part of that all-out and long battle to overcome Morgoth involved Elrond's father, now in the sky in his ship as a prominent star, who helped kill the biggest and most dangerous dragon ever. And it is the light of Elrond's father's ship that is captured in the phial of Galadriel when she gives that to Frodo as a sort of flashlight in 5000 or 6000 years from what you just saw in the timeline of Middle Earth... As if you don't already have enough plot points to keep straight!
Actually, it seems to be that Gil-galad was born in Valinor during the year of the trees, but yeah he would have been rather young during the Noldor’s crossing of the Helcaraxe. Around 200 in regular years, but around 18 in Valian years at the start of the first age of the sun
I’m another Tolkien fan who does not hate this series. Do I like everything about it? No. But I do think it’s interesting to see someone else’s take on the history of Middle-earth. The problems I had I was able to overlook for the sake of entertainment and something new. The biggest thing that got me is one that I’ll mention in a later episode.
Other than that I love that you’re checking this out!
This is fun watching with you guys. I'm ready to binge the rest of the episodes with you lol
😁😁😁😁 hope you enjoy
Unfortunately Oak won't find any memes to laugh about in this one Lol
Also excited to see your weekly reactions for RoP
😂😂🤙🤙🤙
Galadriel went to middle earth to establish her own Kingdom. she’s Spent most of the first part of the Second Age in Doriath with King Thengol and Melian the Maia. She deceived Melian about the Kinslying until she accidentally let it slip. She is Elrond’s mother-in-law and Arwens Grandmother.
First Age... Doriath was gone in the second age :)
The first episode definitely has some pacing issues in it, but as you pointed out, it's also chock-full of exposition to bring people back into the world. Add to that the part where they aren't actually pulling from Tolkien's more popular works The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings, but his more obscure works, and you've got even more exposition needed to get people, the casual viewers and the hardcore alike, up and running within the world in this Age. Unfortunately, like a lot of fandoms out there, a portion of the Tolkien fandom has crossed the line from passionate and loyal into toxicity and gate-keeping (and a large part of those have actually never read any of the books, which makes it both sadder and funnier to see them raging about stuff that they actually have zero clue on--like the ones raging that Amazon isn't making the Silmarillion, despite the fact that Christopher Tolkien's will has a clause that specifically states that the rights to the Silmarillion never be sold or leased for film/video adaptation). The show is an adaptation, not a straight text-to-video translation, and is taking a few liberties here and there (like the Harfoots being around a few thousand years earlier than they should be), but overall is off to an excellent start...whether or not they stick the landing, we'll find out as time goes on, but for now I'm happy with where it's going.
To answer the questions you asked, elves are immortal (they can die from wound or poison, but not old age), and they generally mature to an "adult" state in around 70-ish years. Harfoots are one of 3 groups that are basically like proto-Hobbits (kind of like Neanderthals to modern humans); Fallohides and Stoors are the other two groups. Bilbo and Frodo were of Harfoot descent, while Smeagol was of Stoor descent.
Looking forward to following you guys through the show, even if we most likely won't get any memes for the Oak to crack up at along the way
I don't think "definitely" has anything regarding pacing. I thought it was fine. I accept your opnion but suggest you might want to avoid words like that. What you really mean is "In my opinion". That being said I agree entirely with what you said about toxic haters (particularly on youtube and the channels that cynically feed on that). I didn't think this was perfect (what is) but I lvoed it overall. From the first scene with baby Galadriel it captures Tolkien' world just like Jackson's movies.
@@redcardinalist No, I meant the word I used, because the issues are there. It's great that they don't bother you, truly it is, and to be completely frank they don't really bother me either...but the pacing issues not bothering you does not equate to the absence of pacing issues with the first episode. I'm just happy that they got the feel of the world right, and that it feels lived in, unlike House of the Dragon which feels like a very sterile set instead of a living world (to me...still an entertaining show though).
I am still trying to give this show the time it needs to develop. That being said, I am absolutely on a superficial level, not a fan of the elf short hair Abercrombie look lol.
A lot of people seem to get hung up on the short haired elf thing, my first impression was “ short haired elf….cool.” For me it’s not some “Abercrombie” look, it’s allowing for individual personalities and tastes, rather than maintaining a generic race trope.
My grievance with the elves is that they don’t look quite as majestic? ethereal? otherworldly? not human? as they should.
One thing Peter Jackson did masterfully was giving the elves such an otherworldly aura. Like, even without knowing all of Tolkien’s lore around elves, you still get the feeling that they are not human.
The acting direction was so well done.
The way they walk, how they would barely blink, their speech pattern, everything about Jackson’s elves was really well done.
Samee.. the short hair bothers me so much.
Worse yet, Celebrimbor looks old. That's not a thing that happens to Tolkien elves.
@@Lucklaran Well, it does, but it takes a very long time, as with Círdan at the end of Lord of the Rings, who has been hanging around those shores since the Elves first reached them before the Sun and Moon. He even has a beard.
But yes, the Elves in general did not look ageless (or 'pretty', if you like) the way Galadriel does. I don't care about hair, but the wrinkle-browed Noldor gave me pause.
My husband ( a Tolkien purist) says to me, "(long Napoleon Dynamite-esque sigh)....ok, I'm going to give it a go." when tackling the first episode LOL
I (not a purist) wished him luck. We haven't discussed his thoughts yet LOL!
Say what they will about the film adaptations, it has opened a world up to people who may not have otherwise found themselves there. And to me, that's a good thing. It's a nice place to take people, even if they never thought they'd want to be there.
I read The Hobbit when I was a kid, LOVED it, tried LOTR as an adult and kept getting stuck on the long winded chapter after chapter of not much at all it felt like. Turns out I'm more of a David Gemmell kind of gal.
The money they spent on this helps I think, it's like going back...just with new & younger versions (high bar to meet with Blanchett & Weavings versions on film already) !
I quite had fun in these first 2 epis, though I'm not entirely convinced the great amount of stage acting being done will be able to hold an audience long term. For nerds like me it will, but the lvl of 'fakeness' that comes with over exaggerated stage acting can seem disingenuous to an audience used to a more reactionary kind of acting, that immerses you in the emotion of a situation rather than the fantasy of one.
I'll be watching the 3rd epi as well and looking forward to more reactions! This one was great fun bois!!
P.S. I'm rubbing my hands together to see your take on House of the Dragon!!!
Guess I'm the rare Tolkien fan to not hate it. If my guess about the stranger from the end of the episode is correct(it seems like there's only 1 real option), then it's a significant timeline jump and I'm willing to wait and see how it pans out. I'm not saying it's a 10/10 but they've set the stage, time to wait for more episodes to see where they go with it
Is it Olórin or am i tripping
@@elzbietapiorkowska5926 That's what I thought. Thought you could even hear the word Olórin in the whispers in Ep.2 before he starts chowing down on snails.... Would be about 3.5 thousand years too soon though
I’m hoping it’s not Gandalf, which is who I’m guessing you think it is.
Oh also, not that rare of a Tolkien fan, I also did not hate it. I actually really enjoyed it😁
Good to see some don't hate it.
You’re not as rare of a Tolkien fan as the toxic gatekeeping minority would like to make you feel.
Rings of power is set 4k year before lotr. The stranger character could be Gandalf but he also could be anyone else. There is potential that he could be a maiar but who knows. I really enjoyed it and can’t wait to watch the rest of the show
Elves are outright immortal. They can be killed or die in accidents but they will never die from old age and disease. Elves from Valinor also know exactly how their afterlive looks like.
times flies so fast! 😭 i still remember i think few months ago?im a bit sad when you guys finish your Hobbit reaction n leaving Middle Earth for a while 🤣 n then here you guys already react to the series ❤
don't let people make shit up
Tolkien described young galadriel as "Amazonian"
also, the story is set in about 4000 years before the events of the jackson movies. the events of these times are described in the book silmarilion, it has quite a different tone and style to the 3 books of lotr. also it is not a novel rather a historical telling.
and because it was not a novel, if you want to turn it into a movie/series you literally have to make things up to fill the gaps otherwise the whole thing would be a half hour animation with at most 10 characters
IMO it was probably in the sense of horse riding lady not as a warrior :)
@@TallisKeeton the key point was "IMO"
that is just your opinion.
i for one think showing that your characters have progressed in 5000 years is way better.
it would be idiotic to show that elves haven't changed in all these years especially when middle earth is changing always, unlike aman
@@atafakheri8659 then you dont understand about Tolkien elves. The idea behind them was to write about a species who can be a methaphore of whom humans can be if they did not fall (as in biblical fall) The elves lived for many tousands of years in earthen paradise. These were not humans who have to change and accomodate becouse they are mortals in mortal lands. The only thing the elves "progressed" with was making of weaponry when Feanor invented it. They were already masters of any craft, only never in need of such things as waepons for war. The only thing they should show as "changes in elves" is making elves worse with the time - at the start they were angelic. They tried to fight Morgoth and during this fight they themselves become not as angelic as they were at the begining. Thats how the TV show should be doing it :)
@@TallisKeeton Exactly!! I've been telling everyone this for days now and sharing cool lore videos to all reaction videos and other videos talking about ROP. this dumpster fire can either be changed with new staff and scholars who literally devoted their life to Tolkien's works, literary scholars! people who care about the source material, the lofty ideals and so on, the themes etc. ♥
@@Makkaru112 I wrote about 10 papers about the topic but I dont consider myself Tolkien scholar - only a fan for 29 years :) with big collection of books of Tolkien and about him. For me its one of their goals - to flatten and to degrade and to de-culturalise :) anything which should be showed as magical, otherwordly, spiritual, beautiful, ideal. Thats why their elves are so horrible teenage brats :)
This lifelong diehard Tolkien fan is loving the show so far
SHILL
How Baleriand is gone
@@NoSoulJoel177 And what, precisely, would it have added to have it present in this particular story? It would have been an irrelevent distraction, a confusion for those who are new to this age of Middle Earth, and a waste of time and money regardless.
@Bad Boys Boogie I know but Baleriand was one of the coolest parts of Arda, and the fact that it was destroyed during the War of Wrath was awesome, and It's really the only thing that seriously irked me
@Bad Boys Boogie yes but they could've hinted at the world ending actual destruction
The Thing is that Amazon only has the Rights to the Add ons of Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit and NOT to the „Silmarillion“ or „Messages from Middleearth“ where about 95% of the Stories from the Second Age are. So it basically makes Sense to create new Characters and Storylines, but I‘m still very sceptical about the Ages of, for example, Galadriel and Gil-Galad, and Time Lines in general, but at the same time excited to see what’s coming ahead:). So cool that you guys are going into this Show and can’t wait to see more Reactions!😊
Much Love from Austria 🇦🇹✌🏻
So basically...Amazon just uses the title and some of the charterers to get the interest of the fan base and then does whatever they think will generate the best cash flow......Just like with the Wheel of Time series and the rest.... Excellent point.
I find it easier to think about it as Amazon didn't pay a quarter billion dollars for "The Rights" to existing LOTR lore... they paid a quarter billion for "The Right" to write whatever they want.
So keeping that in mind, I can like it, and keep it separte in my mind if needed ... so far anyways.
Then they should have said Very Loosely Based on JRR tokens works.
is this the fighter Galadriel BS again?
you know Tolkien described her younger self as an Amazonian right?
I'm guessing the way you guys exclaimed when that young human said one day our king will return is becuase you thought he was talking about Aragon but this is actually set before Gondor is even founded so when he says that he is likely talking about Morgoth, Souron or some human king that supported them and that's why the elves are watching over them as they don't trust them not to become evil again and why they don't like the elves.
That’s exactly what I thought it meant. FML! -Oak
elves age at 1/44 the speed of humans until adulthood in middle earth
Came here from the Fallout 1x3 reaction after Oak name dropped this series!! Interested to see what you two have to say about it. I only watched Rings of Power late last year.
Fully aware this is an older series, but not afraid to show a little love regardless. Cheers!
I am not a purist. When I was a child, my uncle whenever he babysat me and my brothers always read books to us. The Hobbit and It (yeah, he read all kinds of books) among many legendary books.
Anyways, like I said, I'm not a Tolkien purist, but Amazon's depiction of his works pissed me off for some reason.
BTW, I'm living in Alaska right now, born and raised, but I did deliver for Coke. Sometimes I've delivered in Northern Appleton (that's what we called it, by mini regions of NE Wisconsin) quite a few times. My normal route was in the area around Highway 41 by the mall, College Ave and Wisconsin Ave and all around there. I might have seen you in one of those Best Buys when you worked there.
im watching later of course, but personally i loved the show. but i tend to keep each medium seperate in my head from the core. and go with what im watching and enjoying what people worked hard on. i have friends in the game dev community and who have worked on tv shows and so i always am super scared of harshly judging things since theres months of someones life put into these works. but i am excited to see your guys reactions!~
Need to add the remainder of the rings of power to the LOTR playlist :)
Just wanna point out that this video is in the "lord of the rings" reactions playlist, but not the next episodes.
The wizards don't come to middle earth until the 3rd age.
An Indian film *RORSCHACH* trailer will be out 07 September . I think this movie has something unique subject to tell. Eagerly waiting for your review and reaction. _
Gandalf was there... 😉
Right from the start...so to speak. XD
Really glad you guys are reviewing this. Went in with no expectations, short attention span made it a bit hard to deal with the slowness but after watching the second episode I’m seeing some potential growing.
Hey guys, you react to your hearts' content and I salute that! Now I'm not watching the show itself but your reactions, my reasons for this are based on some issues I have with some premises of the plot (those I will not explain unless you ask me to).
Nevertheless, different but polite opinions are always a pleasure to share in a fandom for that improves our point of view and teachs us something new. We can discuss but not impose upon others. I'm glad you didn't trash the show bringing up other series, that's exemplary: you won't find bad medicine watching Badd Medicine!
When the stranger landed and the camera panned to aerial view the crater of fire looked like the eye of Sauron. I think it's him, plus the fire that didn't burn because it was I the presence of evil...
Actually, fire that gives off light but no heat is sort of the opposite of the way Tolkien portrays evil influences. Consider the phial of Galadriel, bearing a bit of the Silmaril's light, when Sam brings it forth in the Chambers of Fire at Mount Doom: "In his great need he drew out once more the phial of Galadriel, but it was pale and cold in his trembling hand and threw no light into that stifling dark. He was come to the heart of the realm of Sauron and the forges of his ancient might, greatest in Middle-earth; all other powers were here subdued." But those fires were hot!
Also my guess is the mark is the shape of Mordor on the map if you turn it to the right, and I think the meteor man is one of the blue elves alatar or pallando sent much earlier than LOTR wizards
Amazing first 2 episodes!!
...if you're an idiot.
It makes me so glad to see you and pretty much everyone in the comments (that I've seen) be so open-minded. I am too. I wasn't completely sold on it yet, but I rarely am after the first one or two episodes. And because they have so many characters and parts of Middle Earth to introduce it's gonna take a moment. But there were many things I liked and it was fantastic to see a different Middle Earth, the visuals truly are good. I don't really have anything negative to say. I'm very curious and excited to see where the show goes
Gandalf hadn't come to Middle-Earth until well after the second age. And I think we'll into the third as well.
If that's Gandalf I'm done. I hope it's "He Who Must Not Be Named" in disguise. (Wink, wink)
@@Paul_Waller voldemort?
@@Paul_Waller could be one of the blue wizards. Even though it wouldn't make much sense. Could also be another original character. I did hear that this season was gonna be a lot of guessing who Sauron is until the end.
@@redranger807 Dint Sauron diguse himself as an Elf -like being? The Stranger looks like a huMAN to me.
Loved the reaction guys! Diehard, lifelong Tolkien fan here, and I'm really enjoying it so far. Yes, there are characters an locations that weren't in Tolkien's own work, but this is an adaption. And having those original characters and locations gives the show room to grow in unexpected ways. For the first time in a Tolkien adaption, I'm unsure where the story will go, or what will happen to some of the characters, and that's great
There is nothing about this that is an adaptation, and you'd know that if you weren't lying about being a "diehard, lifelong Tolkien" fan.
@@FinrodFelagund5 you've got the username of an elf, yet act like an orc. Tolkien would be ashamed of your salty attempts at gatekeeping, salt troll
Although the writing and costume design is really putting me off, I will say it's shot very nicely and I can appreciate that.
Always great reviews. Will you guys watch Warrior on HBOMax?
There's something uncanny about the way most people in this series look. I'm probably being unintentionally racist if the cast is mainly from a specific country or region. Or maybe they all look weird because they're not Hugo Weaving, Cate Blanchett, Ian Holm and I am still biased because of how differently Peter Jackson did with Tolkien's stories and characters. My favorite character so far is Arondir which is weird because he's a non-canon lead character and I dreaded the non-canon parts from Amazon the most.
big tolkien fan and i loved these episodes :)
I’ll watch it in my nightshift tonight… we’ll see what we get there
I loved it and I know my Tolkien a lot I’m a New Zealander.. They are literally trying to please super fans casual fans, newbies, with a small amount of usage rights to the silmarillion appendix, that’s it.. they’re doing a great job….
I thought they were just trying to cash in on an established fan base, compete with the new Game of Thrones and make a decent profit for themselves in the process. Keep in mind that this is a product, intended to generate a profit for the studio and the investors. The only concern about pleasing as many people as possible is the bottom line.
You beeing from New Zealand has nothing to do with Tolkien since he was from England.
@@cs-lp5qv lotr was made in New Zealand. Not agreeing, just pointing that out
@@georgechapman9688 yes Peter Jackson took lotr to New Zealand. I was referring to the "I know my Tolkien", because Tolkien was from England and his books and mythology are from England and Europe inspired. It just has nothing to do with new Zealand, the movies than on the other hand of course.
@@cs-lp5qv maybe it's very popular over there? Like a cultural point of pride or something? Idk just guessing
Thank you for all your reactions lately, it always feels good to jump into another series with you guys! - I enjoyed the episode, it will never surpass LOTR but I think it has the potential to be one of the best series available right now :)
I have never read the books or any other kind of sorce materials to know the full lore of middle earth. Ive just seen the movies, so for someone who has seen this show i actually loved it and look forwards to S2
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I loved the 2 episode so far
Elves are inmortal.
the biggest issue with this show is that things dont happen when and how they are supposed to. im not an expert on the lore so it wasn't an issue at first, untill i watch some youtube vids and listened to lore podcasts
I actually enjoyed this show! At first I was confused watching it because if you've read The Silmarilion, you soon realize that this series condenses over a thousand years of Elvish/Numenorian/Middle Earth/Hobbit ancestor history into about a year of tv show. Which I completely understand, because if you've ever read The Silmarilion, it leaves you like 😳 *SO MUCH INFORMATION*
For a little time it was but I adored the realationship of Galandriel and brother Finrod! She must loved him very much ! And that' s precious for her arc ! Loved that emotional depiction of Galandriel here . Was something something knew . Bear Mc Creary's soundtrack is the top one in the series! Morfydd's Galandriel and Aramayo's Elrond my beloved !
Watch Clueless FanGirl have a great conversation about Finrod with Voice Of Geekdom. he wasn't hunting Sauron, he rescued Beren and literally was the greatest hero of all the Eldar.
So, about the whole issue of "You can't judge it before you've seen it". Thing is though, the show does not exist in a vacuum. There have been articles and interviews, with cast and show runners. There have been trailers. We already know, before the show came out, based on what has been said by the people involved in the show, not just the "haters", 'ists and 'phobes. We can compare the things they have said to the things others have said about various "adaptations" that have failed. This show is not the first, and it won't be the last. We've heard these things before. The Last Airbender movie is a great example of this. There are plenty of examples in the last decade of people that swore up and down that they were "megafans" of the novels/shows they "adapted".
Now, I'm not going to lie, the show LOOKS amazing. The source material covers huge spans of time, with some characters literally living 1000s of years. Tolkien did not, obviously, write every moment of each characters life. The show is using that to their advantage to tell stories that "could" have happened in these large gaps. As such, this show is not even an "adaptation". Just enough named characters, just enough mentions of events from the novels to give it a touch of legitimacy. The rest.... Unquestionably one of the greatest fantasy shows that has ever aired, and that, after watching reactions to only 2 episodes. Why reactions, and not the episodes themselves? I won't support this show by watching it directly. Reaction videos are plenty, combined with what I know of the show from the many articles/interviews I've watched/read. Does it deserve to be linked to Tolkien, and The Lord of the Rings? Not in my opinion.
But, that's just my opinion, and it should not stop anyone else from watching, and enjoying the show.
I like they found an actress who actually look quite a bit like Blanchet (my opinion) but ofc this was a long time ago.
Elves hit puberty at around 50 & adulthood at about a century.
Hobbits are the descendants of Hardfots
Grr We don't have Amazon this is something I'd definitely wait till there is at least 1 full season out so I can watch back to back. Oh well this was a good teaser for me I got the jist of it anyways ✌😊👍
Damn, can't believe you guys drop this so early. Love the books, love the movies, gotta love the series too. Let's go!!!
Just got to. Can't be a troll
Elves are immortal they reach maturity at about 100 years and mate for life. If they are Killed they Go to the House of Mandos where they Heal before they return to Valinor. There are some exceptions.
I think the man that fell from the sky is Gandalf. He is the wisest of the Maiar and was created by Iluvatar so basecly an angel and immortal.
gandalf is 24 000 years old
@@pansermagnar in 2022? :P
@@bullwyrk no in lord if the rings he says he has walked the earth for 300 lifetimes of men so i guess its not him in the series since the series is from like 10 000 years before the third age that we see in the movies or books.
@@pansermagnar True but the series says that it's, not quote on quote, loosely based on the works of Tolkien. Sooo we will see. Also it's sayed that he was associated with light and fire thus the assumption that the meteor is him and we also have halffoots, which is kind of eh so i'm going on a limb and say that they will bring him to guide them and start the hobbits.
sorry you're absolutely not going to see Gandalf at any time in this show. he would still be Olorin the Maia living mainly in Valinor during the Second Age; he wouldn't be embodied as Gandalf & sent to Middle Earth until well into the Third Age, maybe a thousand years or so.
Dang it 😂🤙
@@BaddMedicine small consolation but whenever you see a shot of Valinor glowing just know Gandalf is somewhere in there. If only you could get there...
True, but we might definitely see Olorin either way, down the road
@@TheLibrarianOG1 it could happen.
And also Galadriel should have looked a little bit older and was not a warrior.
The Harfoots are a branch of Hobbit-ancestors
Not ancestors. They’re literally Hobbits.
As a Tolkien fan I’m still enjoying the show a lot! The visuals are fantastic!! I’m EXCITED to see where this show is gonna go!
"As a Tolkien fan"
Only very superficially, apparently.
@@FinrodFelagund5 my my, you're a salty little salt troll, aren't you?
@Unknown Official Anonymous I don’t care it’s based in Middle Earth… I wrote a dissertation on lord of the rings… I think my point was more let people enjoy what they want and don’t gatekeep… I am a massive Tolkien fan and I loved the series… no this isn’t Tolkien but it feels as close as they could go with the rights they held. I didn’t like or love everything but I still enjoyed it.
@@FinrodFelagund5 woooow I have just seen this! I wrote my dissertation on Tolkien and lord of the rings specifically. You can enjoy it and still respect and love the source material. Don’t gatekeep the fandom… jeez… if you don’t like it fine I’m not jumping on you negatively…
@Unknown Official Anonymous you know what screw you little baby fanboy… gatekeeping a fandom is ridiculous and you’re hella rude… of course it’s not Tolkien but actually Tolkien contradicts himself constantly within the lore… you don’t know anything about me… also you’re a coward with your name being “anonymous” and no face picture… real big and brave! Maybe instead of wasting your time (and mine) bullying people for enjoying something you grow the hell up.
They should remove “lotr” out of the title.
'' Their true king '' is Sauron
"One day our true king will return"
That's not Aragon he's referring to btw. This is before birth of Aragon. He's referring to Morgoth whom many men worshipped/followed as a God-King. Most of the humans who followed the good guys left Middle Earth and went to the land of Numenor. They may be back in Middle Earth at this point. I'm not entirely sure regarding the 2nd age timeline. They certainly do return. The Elven watch commander subsequent to this scene refers to the humans in this region as having historically followed Morgoth
Bummer lol
The gatekeepers pick the smallest of the things to pick on. Like their hair... You really thing beings that live for eons never try different hair styles? What a boring live that would've been. The hobbits are so so different, the men, and etc. But it's the elven short hair that bothers them lol.
And if there are 100 small things to pick on is that equal to a few big things?
@@scatterthewinds3126 Nope. It just mean the show wasn't written for you because nothing would've made you happy to begin with. Feel free to check out fanfics or something. Or reread the book.
@@Saphthings if you get a bunch of minor faults in a driving test, you still fail even if you don't get a major fault.
@@georgechapman9688 Straw man. Good thing this isn't a driving test.
@@Saphthings It's important to gatekeep important works, or else you fandoms die (like doctor who).
This Galadriel's obsession with vengeance against Sauron makes no sense in light of LOTR. I just can't get behind this storyline, because well there really is none in my opinion.
i came into this with the mindset that nothing the show can ever do will ever take away from my love of the lotr movies and that helps me appreciate this series for what it is! i thought the pilot is a bit slow but with the second ep i’m definitely hooked, looking forward to see where these new characters would go
I am IDK I am TRYING to give this show the benefit of the doubt but ISNT Elrond Galadriel's SON IN LAW and Gil Galad the High King of the Elves (yall see him putting that crown thingy on Galadriels head) isn't he much much younger than even Galadriel? Galadriel yall has been alive since the Years of the Trees. I just dont like that at this point in this show she is probably between 4 - 5000 years old and is treated like a child and looked down on by those who should be looking to her for advice and help.... I mean she was alive in Morgoths time... IDK I feel like the show runners have this fantasy and they picked the wrong time period... if they were going to have her like this then they should have went all the way back to the beginning and had Galadriel learning and exploring like everything was new to her... I mean thousands of years wouldnt by this time you'd know all the places, all the mountains, all the roads, and she is telepathic .... IDK IDK!!!! I cant, I am trying but the more I talk about it I just cant! lol
Sincerely appreciate you guys because you seem to genuinely give things a chance. I'm neither Woke or Anti-Woke. I'm tired of our country being so polarized. I wish we could just find a middle ground and you all seem to be on it. There are goods in this show and bads but overall it seems to be a well put together piece of media. Thanks again for the reaction!
A lot of factors are creating this whole mess in our country companies who hire bots and writers to create fake articles attacking their competitor in order to make money as well as foreign nations trying to create division in our country by doing the same thing and spreading so much misinformation in order to weaken our country attacking both wings of the parties the left and right this has been going on since the dawn of the internet Russia is a main enemies that has attacked us just look at their "INTERNET RESEARCH AGENCY" who hires thousand of Russians to create fake accounts and stories to spread Russian disinformation and propaganda like for the left paficist propaganda and stating that our nation is bad for interfering in other nation affairs and isolationism for the right stating that we shouldn't be the police of the world both design to weaken us at the world stage the far left and the far right are both sides of the same coin who have been indoctrinated by foreign propaganda into believing our country has a deep problem and that freedom is corruption our country isn't perfect but it surely isn't authoritarian like they want to make us believe
I adored it. It’s a story. I’m not a stick up the but kind of Tolkien fan. I live having background and more visuals to add to the world. Loved the acting. Loved the special effects. The relationships. It’s gorgeous. Far and away better than the cheesy gross game of thrones/house of dragons.
Way to troll the show 😂
Elves are immortal they don’t die unless they get killed
Halls Of Mandos
Gandolf won’t make a appearance he comes in at the end of the 2nd age/ beginning of the 3rd
Also there are three kinds of hobbits can’t remember all the names
Stoors, fallowhides, and HARFOOTS.
So what I find funny is that I am enjoying the Arondir and Harfoot storyline more enjoyable at the moment than the main storylines. And this is a problem. Why? Because Arondir and his storyline is made up. The harfoots only had a passing reference in the books with no story. So this takes away from what I should be enjoying which is Galadriel, Elrond and so forth. And this problem is coupled with the other problem that in the books Galadriel never had a revenge Gung Ho storyline. The focus for me is being taken away because the main character (Galadriel) is unlikable because her entire character is changed. And the made up characters are more intriguing than characters that Tolkien wrote. How is this possible lol? But it’s visually stunning and the music is great.
Those are two words that don't fit together: unlikeable and Galadriel 😔
@@hovawartfreunde4599 Astonishingly, they did not even give us Finrod's name (let alone a bit of backstory like 'Finrod Felagund, who gave his life for Beren') and so made it that much harder to identify with Galadriel's loss of her brother. But then, they didn't mention Númenor in all that exposition either, apparently so that it can be a 'surprise' in episode 3. It is hard to understand the writers' thinking sometimes.
More troublesome is the likelihood that, with Galadriel already obsessed with finding and destroying Sauron, the 'historical' version in which she rejects the offer of friendship from the disguised Sauron will lose its impact-if it is portrayed at all. She will not reject Annatar (by whatever name) because of her deep insight or wisdom, but because of her enduring obsession with Sauron.
I had to pause your video and watch the episode first so I don’t get spoilers and I must say, watching it with your reactions made it more entertaining. I became a huge Tolkien fan this year when I gave the LOTR movies a second chance. I was too young when they released them to understand but watching them as an adult made a big difference. I recently read the Hobbit and I’m currently reading LOTR. Tolkien gives precise descriptions of Middle Earth creatures and unfortunately they don’t match in the series. I still enjoyed it because it’s well made but there are many things that bothered me. I’m still going to give them a chance though maybe they’ll change my mind.
This series is just not it. Maybe I’m just a very biased Tolkien fan but I just can’t stop cringing at almost every scene, knowing that Tolkien would hate it. Regardless it’s always good to see your reaction
I kept saying that I will see and make an opionion for myself instead of hating it before it even comes out but I am with you so far; this feels nothing like Tolkien. I still will watch more episodes and see if it gets better. Maybe if that rich bozo just had people make a fantasy-adventure show without the Tolkien name attached to it fewer people would have been against it. You can't just buy Coca Cola, make Dr. Pepper and call it Coca Cola. ^o^
14:24 is that the guy who plays Marcus in Detroit become Human????
I'm probably wrong but his face is familiar to me 🤔
So much they can only hint at because they don't have the rights to the Silmarillion, I could watch 10 seasons of the First Age all by itself
Agreed. And with all the time jumping required, The Silmarillion would be a massive undertaking to do it right. If Amazon is truly locked out of a lot of the canon, then I have less issue with some of the choices they make with the story here. So far, no characters are on the wrong side of the fight, or in the wrong location.
It’s not just about being a purest this is just bad in general
This series is so goood
Gotta love NEW ZEALAND ❤️🤙🏽🙌
I was positively surprised with the first two episodes. Solid start. Of course there are some things that bother me and it could've been better, but it's not nearly as bad as some people make it sound. This is coming from someone who thinks The Lord of the Rings is both the greatest movie and book trilogy ever created.
Im glad to see Swalldo Baggins so invested in the story of LOTR, despite not reading the books. I've already seen the two episodes, and I can honestly say, its not LOTR. It watches like the Fable video game movie.
Lol... Fair criticism 🤘
@@BaddMedicine If yall got a gaming channel. Check out the Fable series. I think the art style alone will captivate your interests.
Once elves reach maturity they stop aging
Thank you.
Anytime!
I will say that's one thing that annoys me about the some of the casting.. there's not any reason that some elves should look significantly older than others... Galadriel and Celebrimbor are the two eldest elves we've met so far and yet Celebrimbor looks like he could be her father, and the king Gil-galad is significantly younger than galadriel yet once again looks quite a bit older than her. They also treat her like a young immature petulant child when she's older than most of them
I'm hooked in hard right now after the first 2 episodes . Can't wait for episode 3 and beyond. I know they had to make up some stuff here and there ( Silmarillion is practically bible text and not pure story form like LOTR and Hobbit was . Just a bunch of stories collided together into one .. some stuff in here of course is new and it's sad that the rights are a bit strict and what they can and can't use which is dumb. I wish they had a lot more rights for this show. But all in all me thinking that this season was gonna be the weak spot of this show ( I'm still holding onto this that season 1 will be the weak spot . I think season 2 will kick in hard imo ) but even then so far I'm really enjoying this new visual journey in Middle Earth and I can't wait for more . When the seasons are all released in the next couple years , I'm definitely adding this to the binge collection one way or another even though it's gonna be 50 hours long supposedly for this entire show lol I have confidence that this will blend well when watching the movies. And I mean c'mon all this towards it ending to the Hobbit trilogy to return of the king , one way or another the binge will always end in greatness. It was fun watching y'all's adventure too with the 2 trilogies. I'm definitely subbed to see what you think of this whole new adventure. Curiosity is strong in this show
They made up pretty much all of it.
Liked the first 2 and I am looking forward to the rest of the season
Are you going to continue rings of power ?
I'm a huge Tolkien fan and of course that things could have been a lot better , but I'm enjoying it for now 👌🏽
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"I'm a huge Tolkien fan"
No, you aren't.
@@FinrodFelagund5 You know I actually would love to have gotten the version of this series that the "haters" where hoping to get but we sadly didn't, I first got introduced to Tolkien by Peter Jacksons trilogy, instantly becoming my favorite trilogy of all time then I read the Hobbit and all of the lord of the rings books and then I read the Silmarilion and I loved it.
So yeah In my mind I'm a huge Tolkien fan and I wish the series was better but it's not and I'm not going to harras or try to hurt anyone just because I didn't get exactly what I wanted, and I don't care what skin color any of the characters are you could skin swap any character of the lord of the rings and I would still love it.
Just my opinion though I hope you have a nice day:)
@@l30nard03 Thanks for proving me right. You just admitted that the entire story and characters could be changed and you'd still love it (which is what Amazon did). So you aren't really a Tolkien fan, you just like elves, orcs, and dwarves and are happy with any slop put in front of you that contains those elements and plasters "Lord of the Rings" on it. You are a "fan" of the shallow trappings of Tolkien, not Tolkien's work itself. "Me like elves doing cool stuff" = the extent of your fandom.
No one who truly understands and loves the essence and depth of Tolkien can have anything but contempt for what Amazon is doing with this show. Furthermore, even as a standalone it is an insult to anyone with intelligence, given how utterly stupid the dialogue is, how boring the entirely made up storyline is, how subpar the acting is, how unlikable and uninteresting the characters are, how fake the costumes and weapons look, and how cringe the action scenes are.
You have to be an idiot to like this show.
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I'm a die-hard Tolkien fan. Read everything he's written and most of what his son Christopher put together as well. From what I recall when they first announced this show a few years back, the only mandate the creators were given is that they could not directly contradict anything from the source material. Beyond that, they were given free reign to do what they will in terms of original stories and characters. Not much was ever written about Galadriel, so they had an opportunity to add to her as they saw fit.
This didn't bother me too much. As much as everyone praises the LOTR trilogy as "perfect" there were multitudes of flaws, omissions, and things that were just plain made up there too.
Honestly I think most of the negativity that surrounded this Amazon show literally YEARS before it even came out is just down to nostalgia. Nobody ever likes anything new as much as they liked the stuff that they had when they were 20 years younger.
Long story short: It's just a TV show, but people will find a reason to hate anything. 😂
My negativity comes from Amazon and their history of the way they treat the source material . The anything for a profit strategy. Go after titles with a large fan base and tap into it for all the cash they can get. What the hell...it works for Disney and the others. Books and movies are two different things, totally different media and beyond compare. To expect a film or series to be as accurate as the book is ridiculous. The series is a product, produced and marketed to generate a profit. It's just business. Does anyone actually believe that Amazon cares anything about LOTR fans?
# NOT MY MIDDLE EARTH
How come you aren't also watching House of the Dragon? Just curious. Would love it if you did.
That series has the better actors in it seemingly.