Billy the Kid Debunked: The Truth Revealed
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 มิ.ย. 2024
- There is a lot of misinformation about Billy the Kid's death. This is your comprehensive guide to cut through the noise and determine fact from fiction. Thank you to all of the historians whose research I rely upon.
On the night of July 14th, 1881, Sheriff Pat Garrett gunned down Billy the Kid. Or did he? Why is there still so much confusion surrounding the alleged death of William H. Bonney? Is it true that Pat Garrett’s deputies said that he killed the wrong man? Why did Sheriff Garrett bury the body without letting anyone see it? What was he trying to hide? And why was there no photograph taken? If Garrett did kill the Kid, why didn’t he receive the reward? And while we’re asking questions, who was this Billy Barlow character? What’s that all about? And who was Brushy Bill Roberts? Did Brushy have all the same scars as Billy the Kid? And wasn’t there a photo comparison study conducted by the FBI that showed Brushy and Billy were a 93% match? We will discuss all this and more as we finally clear up a few misconceptions concerning one of the greatest history hoaxes of all time! #history #western #wildwest
1:15 - Did Pat Garrett receive the bounty?
8:13 - Did Pat Garrett’s deputy say that he shot the wrong man?
10.33 - Did Garrett bury the body before anyone could see it?
19:15 - Why was there no photograph?
22:39 - Did Billy the Kid have a beard? Did Garrett accidentally kill a Mexican?
25:32 - Billy Barlow
26:02 - Were Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid friends?
27:49 - Was Billy too smart to be killed by Pat Garrett?
30:50 - Were the residents of Fort Sumner in on the hoax?
33:23 - Anecdotal stories
34:50 - Brushy Bill’s history of tall tales
38:12 - Brushy Bill’s scars
39:26 - Brushy Bill Roberts Autopsy
41:15 - Did Brushy Bill know things that nobody else could have known?
42:36 - Was Billy the Kid left-handed?
43:10 - The Billy the Kid Historical Coalition
44:12 - Brushy Bill Roberts affidavits
46:40 - Jesse Evans
47:46 - 1990 Photo Comparison Study
55:08 - Valid questions concerning the death of Billy the Kid
56:30 - Who was Brushy Bill Roberts?
60:29 - Cousin Ollie theory
65:04 - Why would Brushy lie?
67:48 - Jim Miller
68:41 - Why did Billy the Kid speak Spanish?
71:10 - Billy the Kid’s Sixth Sense
73:12 - Did Garrett’s deputies say that Garrett killed a Mexican?
75:55 - Did Billy the Kid stab someone in NYC?
80:04 - Did Pat Garrett accidentally kill the wrong men?
86:55 - Did Garrett’s widow say he killed the wrong man?
89:35 - Did Brushy Bill have the same eyes as Billy the Kid?
103:34 - Was Billy already dead in the tintype photo?
104:21 - Was Billy the Kid a woman?
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So what do you think? Cased closed or nah?
Never
Closed, of course. It should never have been reopened in the first place. All this crazy speculation does is strip Billy's death of its dignity. Whether one believes he was an outlaw or a freedom fighter, he was indeed just a kid who truly believed he was on the right side of the law. Turning him into Forrest Gump does his memory a huge disservice.
What's yer name again pard ? Since the days of Bloody Beaver, i thought it was Josh. Now something else is bandied about ? Are we going down the 🐎💩
trail ?
I think that that was very uncharacteristic of Billy the kid. He would not be sneaking around barefoot with a butcher knife in his hand if he saw strangers particularly Anglos.. and to me this is the biggest thing that proves that Billy the kid was not the man that gunned down why in the hell would he go down there with a porch full and a room full of anglos and speaking Spanish.. I will even go further than that that was so uncharacteristic of Billy the kid that even if brushy bill was proven to not be Billy the kid I would still believe he escaped. He had a sixth sense that saved him and Pat Garrett had already gone down the wrong Man twice. Also on their deathbed it was proven that they both deputies said he shot the wrong man. Both men said he shot. A Mexican that was coming to get a slice of beef. And I think the proof of that whether people want to believe it or not is he would never go in there with a group full of angels and speak in Spanish.
I love your videos but in this case you and me are going to disagree Billy the kid would never go up on the porch where they were strangers and speak in Spanish. Delvina Maxwell also said me and the coroner's jury who was all Spanish are mostly all Spanish live at the time and said it was Billy the kid because we wanted him to get away and it worked didn't it. She said the man in the room was absolutely not Billy the kid it was a half breed. She said the corner story the Spaniards talk to the over amongst themselves and said Billy has done so much to help us that now we need to help him. I don't give a damn about the 93% match. Even his own daughter said my father shot the wrong man and to keep himself from getting hung because the man was not wanted he lied and said it was Billy the kid. Where is very very few people that agree that Billy the kid was dead and a ton of them that believed he got away. I'm not talking about historians or modern-day people I'm talking about contemporaries. Both deputy said right off the bat pat you shot the wrong man. It was a Mexican and we would have never allowed him on the porch if it was Billy.finally Pat bully them and the jury in the saying it was Billy the kid. But on their deathbed they most definitely 100% without a doubt said Billy the kid was not shot that night or any other night. That Pat Garrett for the THIRD TIME. YOU KNOW HE HAD A POLICY OF SHOOT FIRST AND ASK QUESTIONS LATER IT BOGGLES MY MIND WHILE PEOPLE JUST AUTOMATICALLY ACCEPT THAT HE KILLED THE KID. I MEAN ACCORDING TO DELVINA MAXWELL THE FIRST WOMAN IN THE ROOM THAT PAT GARRETT AND THE DEPUTIES WERE TOO BUSY RUNNING AND SHE HAD TO GO IN THERE AND MAKE THE IDENTIFICATION. THE MEXICANS LATER SAID THAT PAT GARRETT IN PARTICULAR WAS SCREAMING LIKE A WOMAN. SHE CUSSED THEM FOR COWARDS WHEN THEY WOULD NOT GO IN AND SHE WENT IN HERSELF. THESE ARE THE COWARDS AND THE LIARS THAT PEOPLE BELIEVE SHOT BILLY THE KID. I MEAN JUST LOOK AT HIS BOOK ON BILLY THE KID IT'S A BOOK OF FAIRY TALES. BECAUSE OF THAT BOOK WHICH IS A BOOK PACKED WITH LIES PAT GARRETT PROVES THAT HE IS NOT TRUSTWORTHY YET EVERYONE JUST ACCEPTS THAT HE SHOT BILLY THE KID. HAD HE PUT HIM ON ICE AND WAITED FOR A CAMERA I DON'T CARE HOW FAR AWAY IT WAS HE WOULD HAVE DEFINITELY TAKEN A PICTURE BECAUSE THAT WOULD HAVE PUT HIM NOT ON ME AS A SHERIFF FOR LIFE BUT PROBABLY IN THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE. PEOPLE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT IT LOGICALLY HE ALREADY SHOT BILLY THE KID TWICE BEFORE. I MEAN COME ON. I LOVE YOUR STORIES AND VIDEOS BUT ON THIS WE WILL NEVER AGREE. I DON'T SEE HOW ANYONE CAN BELIEVE THAT BILLY THE KID WOULD WANDER AROUND AIMLESSLY AND GET SHOT WITH ANGLOS IN THE AREA AND HE KNEW PAT GARRETT WAS IN THE AREA.
The recent Netflix documentary proved that Brushy Bill wasn't Billy the Kid, he was Old Henry 😂
I forgot about that
Gotta admit that was a good movie, but my favorite was Pat Garret and Billy the Kid, the Sam Peckinpaw masterpiece, a great shoot um up with an unbeatable music score. The shotgun shells loaded with dimes and a few other things are questionable, but still entertaining.
@@jakeroberts7435 another great one
I don't know ... I disagree.
DNA is the Gold Standard.
@@bethbartlett5692 I'm Billy the kid
I’ve owned Old Henry since it was released. This is a severely underrated movie. I know, one of these days, it will be put up there with unforgiven, Josey Wales and Tombstone.
Excellant film
Tombstone is OVERRATED!
Tombstone was a Hollywood story with not a hint of truth in it. Unforgiven is a masterpiece. Old Henry, although fiction, is an amazing film.
He's partying in South America, with Elvis and Hitler 🤔😳
Ha
They been going at it for many many decades.
@@JoshuaTraffanstedt the road goes on forever and the party never ends
Party DJ'd by Osizzy B-Laden, catered by DB Cooper Hospitality Inc.
And also does Central-Bubb Bubbnigg, the Bubb of all Bubbes daddy'o ☝😂
I don’t know …none of this follows the documentary “young guns”
Haha
Regulators!!!!
🤣
@@WildWestExtravaganza
Having TH-cam Tech Difficulties, (won't keep my comment with link)
... so I will leave Link in regular comments section.
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An Author's Video on the Subject that demonstrates his "interpretation the Resource".
Thoughts you would really appreciate the effort, and enjoy his work.
Thanks,
Beth Bartlett
Sociologist/Behavioralist
and Historian
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Hahahahaha 😂😂
I arrested on of my best friends for rape many years ago, he was convicted and proved to be a serial rapist in our small town. When you are a cop you do your job and friendships sometimes go by the wayside when duty comes first.
…and sometimes not.
So your friend was called Duty ?????
so you are friends with a serial rapist? 👎
On?
@@nathannielsen1669 piss off, Bot!
Brushy's mouth is very different than Billy. I think he liked the attention he got and he probably could talk a good talk. People have done versions of the same thing throughout history
Brushy Bill was NOT Billy the Kid.
So let's assume Billy the Kid was tanning his skin to pass himself off as a Mexican. Would it not be logical to assume that he spoke Mexican as to not give away his identity. I mean if I'm going through all that trouble to make myself look like a Mexican to keep myself from being picked up by the law and I know how to speak Spanish I would think I would be speaking Spanish every chance I get even if I'm with a group of people that I trust I would think I would be wanting to speak Spanish and every opportunity that I got just to keep people from identifying me.
Just in time my man. Always a pleasure. Thank you for your continued work.
Thank you for returning!
@@WildWestExtravaganza I've been listening a plenty, just had not spoken up recent like. Try to stay out of the heat. VA been nasty this week, reckon y'all been as bad.
I'm with you! This channel is the best on the net as far as I'm concerned!!!
@@donc9751 too kind!
Great investigative work, Josh...as usual!
As one that has been in the funeral profession for 38 years, I can guarantee you, as stated, Garrett would NOT have wanted to travel such a distance with a deceased body in the New Mexico Summer heat...🤢 Would have been a very unpleasant experience to say the least. Besides the bloating...a few other bodily issues would not have provided a quality photo, anyway. So...its understandable as to why the Governor didn't require such identification...and of course, the eyewitnesses made up for the unfortunate, circumstances.
Keep up the fantastic historical stories...Much Appreciated!🤠
Thanks
@@ExKUKicker i still think photos of the body would still have been taken
@@texasbeast2542 not with the photographer being so far away...I doubt that with all due respect.
And if so, they would have appeared by this time...too much $$$ to be made.
@@ExKUKicker you could be right for sure. I’m also sure no one had any idea it would end up such a mystery all these years later
@@texasbeast2542 true
Josh, I will say this.
I do NOT believe that Brushy Bill was Billy the Kid.
I DO believe that Billy was gunned down by Garrett in 1881.
However…
I do, wholeheartedly, wish that when Joseph McCarty met Garrett, years after Billy’s death, that Pat told Joseph:
“Look, I shot the wrong man, convinced all in Fort Sumner to pass him off as your brother, met up with Billy later and told him to get his ass to old Mexico and not come back, and he’s still there, and this is where.”
I WISH that would be the real reason why Joseph left amicably and later said it was concluded, and Billy lived a low key life and died surrounded by family.
No lying Brushy Bill, just a former outlaw, given a second chance and taking it, living his life quietly in old Mexico, regaling his brother with stories of his adventures until old man Bonney passed quietly.
A man can dream.
I agree ❤❤
Brushy Bill Roberts was NOT Billy the Kid !!!!
@Shannon_Dobbs no yu are wrong so get your facts straight garret never killed the kid and all the prof is there Morris's proved it all so deal with it and move on the facts are there plain ad day even gators kids said he didn't kill the kid so ho much more do yu all need facts are facts dig him up and the prof is there as well
@@frankhummel955 .....Learn to spell, dummy 😆😆
If I've never said it before, I freaking love you. All this alternative history BS must be stopped -- and you're the perfect person to help put a stop to it. Also, Lew Wallace was a complete dick.
Hey thanks!
Yes, he was a real ass hole.
Soooo...we got it all wrong about Billy huh....no kiddin ?
@@chrisbrown8640 You must be great fun at parties.
I kinda don’t want it to stop.
Brushy Bill Roberts..... the REAL Forrest Gump!
Some people just won't accept anything that goes against their beliefs, hero worship, and conspiracy theory fixations. Might as well claim JFK was killed by a lone gunman, Mary Jo Kopekne was driving Ted Kennedy, and Abe Lincoln was straight. Gonna start a fight regardless!
@@UncleBildo 🤣
@@UncleBildo 😆 🤣
no youre the real Forest Gump
You misspelled uncledildoo
I'm gonna watch, but be warned. Nothing you say is gonna make me forgive you for revealing brushy bill was not billy the kid. I know you been worried about that.
He went and ruined our good time.
Haha. It's all good, I'm just glad you're here
Lol
Hahahaha!
Ha
"Billy was too smart" Ya, he was a smart guy but he was also an older teen that probably had a hell of an ego on him because of his success.
I’m a history buff from Sydney Australia. I love stories of the old west. I honestly thought this was put to bed years ago and it was established that A) Brushy Bill Roberts was full of shit, and B) Pat Garrett killed Billy The Kid.
I guess every few years these stories pop up and a new generation believes these fairy tales that Billy the Kid somehow survived and lived until his 90’s.
I gotta say, this is a very interesting and in depth, definitive account of Billy The Kid’s death. The best I’ve heard.
Josh , once again bringing common sense, logic & no BS to the Internet.
As a young American who has personally hitchhiked across the USA and work many odd jobs and found myself at many different historical events, I relate to Billy The Kid. Sometimes Americans want to live life to the max.
So journalism has always been this bad, and I already knew Lincoln shut down over 400 newspapers, jailed editors, and reporters In the north, I'm not surprised a good job , Josh
Thanks josh, i spent the last few days listening to your older podcasts while on a grand canyon trail, aka death march, my wife made me go on with her. Hope all is well.
Haha, sounds like a fun trip. Everything is good here, you?
Yeah, it was fun. Nice being away from civilization. Just wish i never had to come back. Been doing very well myself. Just picked up a 1866 trapdoor in 50-70 from garrett.
@@snappers_antique_firearms Nice
58:17 - 59:51 had me in TEARS lmao. Reminded me of a Forklift Driver who showed me a Super Bowl Ring (quite a few times) and said "I was a part of that Super Bowl Winning Patriots Team . . .but never specified which one.
I’ve known a few people like that
I just have to say, i stumbled on your chanel a good while back, im a truck driver & i put your chanel on and just let it roll , while im rolling. I love the old west & you make it fun to listen, but regardless of my biased this is the best pod cast on youtube period! Thank you for your work. God bless you & yours..
I love my truckers! Stay safe out there!
I knew an old man back in the 70's, actually 73,74,75, i was 13,14,15 but that old man knew it all, seen it all,done it all. He loved to talk, and supposedly rode with different outlaws ( criminals), knew a lot of different criminals, he was a early SEAL , which was a frogmen, way back in the day, WW2, i think? Hell I don't remember what all he used to say or tell everyone back then, I think most of us just liked to hear him talk and tell his stories, and stories i believe was all they were, i don't know he may have done some of that shit but nobody really knew. He was damn near 100 in 74-75, looked like he was in his 70's, but yeah back in the late 1800's he run with some outlaws, on horseback, out west, haha, but like i said, who the hell knows. Man if he did half the shit he claimed, he'd be one bad SOB. Geez! Lol
Haha, I've known a few guys just like that
@@WildWestExtravaganza- Hahahahaha, yeah I still know a few like that too, try to blow smoke up peoples butts and try to make folks think they big and bad! lol
I heard Davey Crockett survived the Alamo and went home to Tennessee and opend the 1st ever Rootbeer float stand under the alias Cravy Dockett..so if he can do it why cant billy?...put that in your pipe and smoke it 😏..🤣🤣
You make a very good point, I take it all back.
It was actually Gravy Docket. And he became a CPA in Tucson, Arizona. Lived to be 142 years old. Died rescuing American prisoners of war in Viet Nam. The man was a legend.
Ever since I've seen Galaxy Quest, I've become hesitant to use the term "historical documents".
Wow. Thanks for the shout-out brother. We really appreciate it. Always glad to help a fellow Kid historian. Great episode!
Any time!
Everyone wants the kid to have lived. Your videos bring me back. But I still want young guns 3🤣
So stop🤣
Ÿyyÿeeeesßsss!!!!!!
Oh I’m definitely looking forward to part 3
God, no.
We don't need a 3rd Young Guns movie 😕😕
The problem is that there was very little electrical service in the frontier towns. That made it almost impossible to keep your cell phone charged outside of the big eastern cities. When you know that then you understand why no picture was taken. People really need to do their homework on this stuff.
Great point
@@valis992000 cmon bro, it’s well documented that fort sumner had its own EV charging station…
If I ever commit a crime I hope David is not on the jury.
@@RzaGzaODB YOUR TALKING ABOUT ME AGAIN.
Billy the Kid only had peach fuzz for facial hair. If he was Brushy Bill, he sure got hairy in his old age....
His eyes grew closer together too. Weird 🤔
Brushy Bill looked NOTHING like Billy the Kid, the facial structure was not even close even taking ageing into account.
Bs they did a fbi did a comparison and it was 98percent a match so go find a hole and gruel in ok
@@frankhummel955 RELAX
Yu had better check out the truth ok your full of bull
@@frankhummel955.....You Brushy Bill people are utterly DELUSIONAL 😆
@frankhummel955 .......Brushy Bill was NOT Billy the Kid.
You mean, Brushy Bill.....the lying conman ?????? 😁😁
Mr. Josh, you convinced me a long time ago that Bill Roberts was not Mr. Antrim. But I did enjoy your presentation non the less. Thank you and as always, God bless you and yours. And please keep up the great work. Thank you Sir.
Glad you enjoyed it
I drank beer with Billy at a bar one night and he told me the whole story...
Same
@@WildWestExtravaganza John Wilkes Booth was drunk in a bar in Enid Olklahoma and got his head blown off by Jesse James for running his fool yap in 1903. Booth didn't die in that barn and John Surrat lived out his days in Maryland, but they hung his mom.
Your a Helluva man. Thank you so much
Last I heard Billy was alive and well and living in Argentina.....................
I married Billy's sister, l know the truth
I don’t have a concern about Billy supposedly getting away. Please look into the mysterious murder of Pat Garrett. Quite a story and lots of rumors about what really happened.
Love the channel. Do you plan to do a thorough bio on Wyatt Earp (like you did Billy’s) in the future?
Absofruitley
Well done, I learned several things about this famous young outlaw I hadn't even heard about till now. I saw a photo of Emiliano Zapata, right before the still from a movie with James Coburn, and Kris Kristofferson. Zapata, while not as famous in the USA as his contemporary, Pancho Villa, had a very colorful life in his own rite. In case you haven't already considered it, Emiliano's story would make a fine edition and addition to an impressive collection you've built on your chanel.
These two don’t match at all Billy’s ears are lower , mouth smaller, eyes further apart and so on. I can see it’s not a match
But Jo-osh. We know that Henry was loved by everyone in Fort Sumner, so why is it not feasible that the whole town, including Pat, conspired to give Henry a new life by claiming that Pat killed him? In your own words, "Just because they said it happened, doesn't mean it was so!"
Well, that assumption is a false one. What we know is that Billy was not universally loved at Fort Sumner. Area ranchers such as Manuel Brazil were actively working with Garrett, as were others. Beaver Smith and even Pete Maxwell are suspected of aiding Garrett.
Okay, @WildWestExtravaganza (Josh), in a previous video, you did say that he was loved by all the senoritas in Fort Sumner, & so I took it that he was loved by everyone. My bad. For clarity, my comment was tounge in cheek, but I am still left wondering if indeed maybe everyone, including Pat, could have conspired to fake his death, so he could start afresh somewhere else. After all, it was only 200 people. & even if some hated him, they would have been rid of him? Although like you said, he was stoopid enough to return. To be honest, I love the conspiracies that keep us guessing. 😛Anyway, vaya con dios, Cowpoke
@@MicahBell_1860 I agree.
Brushy Bill is the vampire son of Billy the Kid… who was the vampire magistrate of the region. Pat was a member of the secret society of vampire hunters and did his duty!
That would be a good movie
Yeah but where do the Paladins fit in???
Hey Danny, thanks for clearing all this up!! I see where your taking this, but let me ask you a question. Do you think Pat Garrett really shot Billy the Kid?!? I'm justa Joshin' you. Entertaining as always and I DO thank you for that!
this is one of the best channels on TH-cam
Thanks!
Excellent! You convinced me of what I always suspected, that brushy Bill was not Billy.
Somehow stumbled upon your video. The old west's not particularly close to my heart as a topic, but this is fascinating. I can't overstate how impressive your thoroughness is. I don't think there was a pebble left unturned. Seeing history set straight gives me the warm fuzzies! Thank you.
Thanks man!
Off topic, but as a bit of a connoisseur for Wild West History and Stories, I f*cking love this channel. Your Content is so engaging and it is never dull, for me at least.
I was never really into the History of the Old West until I played through Red Dead 2. I played Red Dead 1 as a kid but.. I was a kid, I couldn't grasp the story of RDR1 even if I tried, so when I played RDR2, a somewhat romanticized Game set at the tail end of the "Outlaw Era" as an adult back in 2021-ish, I became absolutely fascinated with the real History of those times, which eventually led me to this channel. So, we can thank Rockstar Games for opening me up to this sort of stuff and leading me to this Channel, because I don't regret a second that I sit and listen to these Episodes.
Sidenote: Don't let anyone tell you that Video Games can't be beneficial, because when you have absolute masterpieces of Storytelling like RDR2, a Game so well made that I am almost positive that it led many younger people like me to look into the real history of the times that Game is set into, you lead people down the Rabbit Hole and in the process they LEARN something about REAL History, and that certainly provides some sort of value to society.
Great stuff!
I really appreciate you citing your source material. Good job!
Thank you
Josh my dude. Good job man as always love the way you tell these and the work you put into them. Keep on keeping on brother.
I appreciate that!
Somehow the most unbelievable thing in this whole thing was there being an entire message board dedicated to one Brushy Bill Roberts.
It’s glorious
I'm glad rolled your "R".
Did that just for you, don't tell no one
@@WildWestExtravaganza 😜
👏🏼
Unfortunately as much as I wanna believe Billy survived, Pat Garret did indeed kill Billy The Kid
Glad to see your channel grow since I first found you a year ago
Me too!
Great video as always Josh, wasnt expecting another video on Brushy Bill Roberts but I never miss an episode of The Wild West Extravaganza. I personally never bought the whole Brushy Bill story, out of everything that I have ever read on Billy the Kid, i personally have no reason to doubt that things on the night of July 14th 1881 happened any different from what Pat Garrett said, that will probably piss alot of the pro Brushy Believers off but too bad. Out of all of the Wild West era people Billy the Kid story has always been the most interesting to me, not sure why. Sure would have been nice to know what all was said between Pat Garrett and Joseph Antrim when they met.
BTW Michael Anthony Giudicci (I probably spelled it wrong😅) is pronounced: Ju-da-si-si. I love the guy, and the Coalition at Chasing Billy. The three channels are my go-to.
Is there any chance of you doing a future video on Jesse Evans? The above just did an interview with actor Daniel Webber (who plays Evans in the series) and there seems to be very little reporting of him outside of his connection to Billy. I'd like to know more about Evans and you seem to be able to dig deeper than almost everyone. I'm sure you've got a full plate but if you don't ask, you know?
Noted. I’d love to learn more about Evans one of these days
Good detailed job! Another thing, notorious outlaws and killers didn't just vanish into the ether and re-emerge decades later. It's not their nature. Especially one like Billy who was so recognized all over the territory.
LFG!! best night of the week is when TWWE uploads!
Thanks!!!!
Micha Bell must pay
Aha! I knew that rat was behind it all!
Some people just need to believe in fantasy stories and can't handle the truth. Thanks for the episode, Shirley. Take care
Thank you for providing facts are facts. Here in Florida we call these stories fisherman tales. Newspapers don't sell themselves? As we also say "I am not lying, just exaggerating to make the story sound good". Great episode!
I live in northern New Mexico just a half mile from the Pecos river in Pecos NM and I've always had a huge interest in Billy the Kid and I've gone back and forth with him being Brushy Bill or being shot by Pat Garrett and no matter what my thinking always comes back to the fact that Garrett did actually kill the Kid. In a way that brings me comfort knowing that Billy rode into the history books here in New Mexico and his bones rest here in New Mexico and no where else. You can take a good look at Brushy Bill and see that he really wasn't Billy the Kid. Great work on bringing common sense and truth to all the conspiracy theories. Everyone I've ever talked to here for the most part say that he was killed by Garrett. A few believe differently but everyone has their own opinions and you can't change it.
Brushy Bill should’ve just been a screenwriter for Hollywood or a novelist. I think he could’ve had legit success of his own if he’d gone down that path.
Love this channel my man!! Keep up the great work ❤YEEHAAA!
Glad you enjoy it!
Good job, the facts don't matter to some people, so sad !
As in young guns 2.....Pat Garrett says, "Billy.. you'll just keep turning back up like a bad penny"
Billy retired from a small pet shop in Tijuana. The shop was pretty much black, gray and white except for the red or blue Beta fish and a couple other secondary examples for a texture.
He spent his last years living casually paranoid while occasionally shitting in a hole and eating barbecue iguana. Perhaps at the same time and place.
I heard it on a Mexican radio,
I'm on a Mexican radio
Iguana sounds delicious
Its tough eating, but if you want to clean your palate after eating a bloody beaver it gets the taste out. @WildWestExtravaganza
Mexican, whoa whoa, radio....
There's no way b.b.coulda done all those things.I never did believe it.Stunning research pal. Re excellent
Nice. I thought the algo sent me something I was looking for, but it was you.
Nice tongue roll 😂
Keep em coming brother.
Was a good one!
Your passion for the Wild West is unmatched. Love this channel
I appreciate that!
@@WildWestExtravaganza and I appreciate your hard work and dedication!
I don’t have the words. Yeah I do, old-west stolen notoriety. I may have just invented something.
Josh, you are doing great work to keep the memory of this period of American history alive and also truthful. Thank you for your efforts and diligence.
Thanks for listening
Almost 2 hours, I'm in heaven❤❤❤❤❤
I know, I feel that way every time he uploads a deep dive. It's never long enough for me. I could listen all day -- and have.
Well very done and presented, I love style of debate. As always, I am looking forward to the next installment of Wild West Extravaganza!
Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I thought Millers first name was John and Jim Miller had something to do with Pat Garretts death?
Yes, correct. If I said Jim I misspoke, I meant John.
I was given a manuscript by an author, of a book that was wrote about Brushy, not even sure if it was ever published.
I’ve always been so fascinated with his history. It’s been years since I’ve researched his history but a “player” Bob Olinger in his history was from Delphi, Indiana…which I lived nearby as well as Indianapolis.
I belonged to the New Mexico Billy the Kid historical club for years….I even have the Billy license plate..pretty cool.
My thoughts on no photo being taken, it was a precaution, I believe there were so many people there that did adore Billy, that Pat and the law thought it would have been a better idea not to flaunt it. It’s my belief that Pat actually respected Billy to some extent.
I can pass along the name of the manuscript and a couple pics if you’re interested.
You know what’s hilarious? A mofo in 2024 seriously arguing about how Billy the Kid died in 1880. 😂😂 It is what it is, and every one of those people has been dead for years, the history has been written. Nothing will ever change that at this point! Appreciate your work Josh. Entertaining too!
The words decomposing carcass is just outright hilarious.
I'm glad your finally back on my feed.
What happened?
I love the channel bro. I learned a lot from this but my question has always been if Billy was buried in New Mexico where they say why don’t they dig him up?
For what purpose?
@@WildWestExtravaganza when I was younger I drove truck for a living only to see the west. I stopped by Billy’s grave and wondered they could put all questions to rest by digging up the evidence. It would put all questions to rest . Maybe I’m wrong but hell he may even be buried with his weapons .
I'm sure I'm not the only female fan here who's been approached by full of crap losers like Brushy Bill lol. He was a pathetic compulsive lier. And if I was psychic I would think it a good probability that David might still live with his mom, but of course I could be wrong. Dude, I loved the intensity of the way you brought the A-game of facts over fantasy. I've been a total tomgirl all my life surfing, climbing, hunting, etc..and being born and raised in the West, I love hearing the old stories especially the outlaws. Your channel rocks 🎩😎🤘
Thanks!
Hey chica. Im a SEAL Team Delta Ranger who now works with the CIA. Im just living with mom as deep cover. Want to go get some drinks? My Astin Martin is in the shop. Can you drive? 😂
@@MrCashewkitty 😅👍
Our man Danny McBride rolling them Rrrrrrr’s
Well jesse james wasn't really killed by Bob Ford. So there
Jesse james was killed by bob ford on april 3 1882 cant b argued cant b debated , j frank dalton was a phony , didnt recognize his “ daughter “ , mary who brought jesse s boots which didnt fit phony dalton
Another great episode Josh, so many unknowns about the Kid is the reason he is so intriguing to me and so many others.🤠
Thank you
So Josh, I don't know how you found out about it, but apparently someone leaked a copy of my soon-to-be-published biography, cleverly disguised in the form of an action novel, where I tell about my life of being recruited by the Navy Seals at 14, moving on a few years after to the Green Berets, before joining NASA for a study on the effects on combat in zero gravity and moving on, at age 21, to great success as guitarist and songwriter for the Red Hot Chili Peppers. All this while getting my Superbowl Ring with the Pittsburgh Steelers, inspired by my Dad's career as a catcher for the Yankees. It's true that I am related to Michael Jordan by marriage, and am a silent, part owner of the Chicago Bulls, but no one at the university where I am getting my PhD in molecular science knows about that. (I don't need them hounding me for his autograph!) I don't know what my girl Beyonce is going to think when I tell her we've been outed, but I have to quibble with a couple of points. First of all, my Superbowl win with the Steelers was not 2005, but rather in 1979. You see, like Brushy Bill, I am really about 20 years older than I look. But most importantly, you CANT talk about the rescue of kittens and babies at the orphanage yet. The CIA hasn't declassified that information yet, so shhh! Thanks for your consideration.
My bad, I thought you had already announced it. I won’t tell nobody else
@@WildWestExtravaganza Sir, that was just a brilliant troll on Brushy. I just had to borrow and have some fun with it. For some reason, there is always a time to come back to Brushy and give some good smack to his true believers. The entertainment value, especially with the flair you bring, simply demands it! Thanks.
This detective work is why we all love to hear from you good Sir!
Thank you kindly!
Like Bob Bell always says “Nothing changes more than the past!”
Yep
1:11:55 6 in probably meant 6 inch. Talking about his revolver.
Your awesome and I am glad that you put things right even when you get more information on your subject.
I try
You stated “the only picture of Billy the Kid”. The second picture found at a garage sale a decade ago fetched 5 million to the finder. A picture of Billy the Kid and his fellow regulators playing croquet at their mentor’s house who brought the game of Croquet from England. It took a few years and much money to get picture legally legitimized but it was sure worth it. Billy the Kid wearing his cardigan sweater he was known for.
Can you point me toward any source that shows the croquet photo was sold for millions of dollars?
You should stop reading clickbait Internet articles. The man who owns the photo, Randy Guijarro, did not sell it. They insured it for $5 million. It didn't sell because the provenance presented in that documentary couldn't hold up to history. The building history wasn't correct and the idea of the photo being taken because it was Charlie Bowdre's wedding- debunked. Randy didn't sell it and he's still trying to. That photo is not Billy Bonney or any other Regulator.
i like to think billy the kid survived. my fuukin hero all my life, but no matter all the evidence yeah or nah, we will never know. and ive been reading and watching for 50 years... thats why i love good channels like this. keep up the good work mate :)
Billy' folly was staying where he was comfortable
I would love to see an in depth analysis on the likes or Orin Porter Rockwell
Pat Garrett is buried two miles from my apartment in the Masonic Cemetery in Las Cruces, NM. He was murdered in 1908. Like Billy the Kid, there is some controversy as to who did him in. A grave digger at the Cemetery told me he didn't believe Pat Garrett did kill Billy the kid.
Oh well if a grave digger said so…
@@WildWestExtravaganza yep. Them grave diggers always get the last say. Read Hamlet Act V, Scene One.
@@JimPack-jy3rr what about the men who dug Billy’s grave? They all said Pat was the killer
@WildWestExtravaganza Those two grave diggers are dead now and therefore unavailable for further comment. The grave digger at the Masonic Cemetery in Las Cruces is still alive and working a backhoe. Plus, he is willing and able to show you where all prominent stiffs are buried on the grounds. Especially Pat Garrett's, which is otherwise hard to find.
@@JimPack-jy3rr While I'm sure your Las Cruces grave digger is a great guy, I still don't know why I'd take his word over the word of literally every single eye witness who was at Fort Sumner in 1881
My mother knew him growing up. They lived in Hico, Texas. He came into town once a month and would sit on the sidewalk and tell his tales. All his old friends verified that he was Billy. While he living and tried to get the governor to pardon him. But he refused, saying Pat Garrett’s word couldn’t be disputed 🙄. They forget they used to run together… . No doubt in my mind or anyone who met him.
Case closed Brushy Bill was not Billy The Kid.
Great episode! Thank you for your time and efforts
My pleasure
There are a lot of Brushy videos around that buy into his bragging. Thank you for the cool headed, evidence based video piece!!
Too bad they didn’t have CCTV, Ring, or something like that. I believe that Pat did kill Billy. But people might think I’m biased.
Movie Old Henry watched it over 10 times 1st year 23:10 tim blake Nelson uncanny how he looks like him on the left
To my untrained eye, the ear attachment of Brittany Bill does not match Bully the Kids. Not a match.
How and why do people exaggerate their life stories? Maybe my own family experience might help shed some light on this.
My dear uncle would talk about when he was working for Stars and Stripes and was drinking in a bar in Saigon. He said that he could feel the reverberations of a bombing. After he had one drink the explosions shook the table. After two drinks the windows shook. After three drinks the windows cracked. After four drinks the windows shattered and knocked the drinks off the table. At drink five, the bomb went off across the street. Drink six the VC bombed the bar. Drink seven the VC attacked the bar. When he was really wasted; he vigorously tells how he took on a Platoon of VC with nothing but, a plastic olive sword.
I can also tell you that when I was a kid and asked my parents for money; they would start telling their life stories. These were not happy stories either. I noticed that there was a proportional relationship going on. The more money I asked for; the sadder and more tragic the stories got. I remember asking my mom for money when I was about 9 or 10 years old. I must have asked for quite a bit or maybe they were particularly strapped that month because she told me about how when Grandpa was a little boy, in the old country, they had bars on the windows to keep the wolves out at night, (100% true story.)
So yes, it is not uncommon for people to exaggerate.
You're right; it's not uncommon for people to exaggerate, whether it's their life story or just a funny story. It's something we all do and, I think, human nature.
I wouldn't classify what Roberts did as an exaggeration, though.
Your uncle was actually in Saigon (or at least I assume he was). Your parents likely did grow up in a time when money was scarce. I also don't doubt that wolves did exist wherever your grandfather lived.
As for Brushy, he was never involved in any outlaw activities. He lived on a farm as a child, was a toddler in 1881, and would not participate in the "wild west" in any way, shape, or form.
His stories, while I'm sure entertaining, were simply made up fabrications as opposed to exagerrations.
Brushy's ears were completely different then the Kid.
Lol
@@LibertySouthern65 Many Chinese men have identical eyebrows.
Our ears and nose, but especially ears, keep growing as we age. Especially in men. Look at our potato head president. Not saying Billy wasnt shot dead at all.
@@LibertySouthern65 id take an inbred banjo player over Joe