i think Vince McMahon legitimately thought Bart Gunn would knock out Butterbean, he seen a big fat gimmick boxer. he beat all these tough guys, Bob Holly, Bradshaw, The Godfather, Doctor Death, he's going to win. Butterbean had actual boxing experience.
@@badmartian320 Yeah he sent him 2 months before his WM match with a professional boxer, how much of a chance did he have? I'm sure if Bart miraculously beat Butterbean, Vince would've called Mike Tyson.
@@BullseyeRey Butterbean isn't as humble as he came off, Val Venis said when he came back. he said that he's getting a job, he thought Vince was going to sign him.
Russo: "You know what, bro, I like you, bro, but you should really stop with this whole "original bro" gimmick, bro, cause in reality, bro, it was me who was the original, original bro, bro"
I also think Jim Ross deserves some shit for this. He’s clearly biased and shows no remorse for the burial of Bart Gunn. Still looks salty for him knocking out Williams. He says “no one got over” yet by some accounts he did get slightly over but did nothing to help him in a way. I say all 3 deserve some blame. Mainly Vince and Vince lol
Yet, the ENTIRE PURPOSE for B4A was to get an aging about to break down Dr. Death over to feud with Austin. Look at Dr. Death at the time and then look at what the top RAW guys physically looked like at the time. No WWF audience was gonna buy Dr. Death as a credible threat to Austin. What a mark JR is.
@@BullseyeRey Cornette denied it years ago on one of the Kayfabe Commentaries interviews. They were talking about Russo, the phone call, etc. and Cornette is the one who brought it up. I had never heard it before that. More or less said he wanted to hurt Vince, and then Vince started telling people at WWF that Cornette threatened his family to be more dramatic and try to get him fired. Cornette said he's met Vince's wife and kids and she's a saint for even being married to him.
@@mikeg155 The first time Cornette addressed it was back in 2000 / 2001 in an Rf Video shoot, WCW was still around so the incident had only been a few months prior when he denied it, in fact, he basically just told Russo he was an idiot for getting his ass canned from WCW, Russo just exaggerated that shit.
IMHO the craziest Cornette moment was when he announced his intention to pee on Russo's grave, given that I have no doubt he was 100% serious about it.
Corny has been saying that, since the year 2000. It was funny then. Twenty years later, it just sounds like an old gimmick, that's ran it's course. I'm sure he'd still do it, given the opportunity. LoL
@@kujo62 that's because Corny doesn't want jail time due to Russo. Russo took the bitch route filing a restraining order on a guy living in a different state from him, strictly out of fear of Corny.
Obviously the buck stops with Vince, as the owner/manager of any wrestling promotion has the final say in booking and the overall tone/direction of the company.
I appreciated the way they contrasted Cornette's and Russo's perspective on wrestling the sweet spot of what they should be doing is probably a blend of the two perspectives imo.
@@BullseyeRey He said left no doubt so clearly the thought was in his head from somewhere already. And seeing as that is the narrative pushed by the dirtsheet would lead itself as the answer. Sullivan, Flair, Nash, and even Eric Bischoff has said Russo didn't kill WCW. But it gives people another reason to hate Russo, so people run with it.
@@darshin95 Wrong. Unlike you and others who blame every bad idea in wrestling on him. I can give him credit for his good ones and rip him for his bad ones. Anybody who thinks he "killed" WCW is an IDIOT.
I decided to rewatch 1998 RAW and man, the crowd hated the "Brawl For All". In the match between Marc Mero and Steve Blackman, people were chanting "We Want Wrestling". When it was JBL vs Henry Godwinn, people chanted "Boring! Boring! Boring!". What a terrible situation.
Bart could've really gone somewhere with that win... Not main event level, but somethin'. Too bad NONE of the writers back then, knew how to book legit tough guys. Basically, how they used Severn, Blackman and Shamrock.... They should've been MUCH higher on the card. Russo is the shits.
Typical short sighted mark. Why's Lesnar so over? He's got such great promo skills right? No, it's because he's legitimate, was booked like a killer. Just like ANY of those other guys could've been. Go watch HHH talk for an hour. LoL
No... I'd say putting your Top belt on D-List actor David Arquette is the Dumbest idea in wrestling history.... and it's another Russo CLASSIC... lol...
House of horrors match, goobley gooker, RoboCop saving sting, Chucky cutting a promo on Rick Steiner, the whole Hogan vs the faces of fear shit. There's ALOT more things worse than brawl for all.
@@TheSBleeder ... it's a heel move and fans knew Russo was calling the shots back there so you can have it as a storyline... Arquette won it as a "Babyface" .... lol... McMahon didn't even have to lift a finger to kill WCW then...
@@kujo62 Even Schiavone has said it was his idea, but people still blame Russo. Yet Russo gets blamed for the Brawl For All though Vince is the one who approved it. Pure comedy
Yup , that's the way asshats act. JBL was a bully, now confirmed. But Russo was an asshat for using his power to create a tournament to stick it to JBL and in process ruining careers and costing company millions of dollars as suggested by Jim Cornette. He is stupid, proven.
@@oopopp you are just like Vince Russo if you think that was worth it. Like, seriously JBL went to the finals 🤷♂️ That only proves that JBL was one of the tough ones if not number 1 tough guy. Like, really? How was that even worth it, I don't see it. And I just wanna call you and Vince Russo plain dumb fucks. I m sorry.
@@jaquesteddyruxpin932 again, I am not defending JBL, but how ruining careers and losing the company that you work for millions of dollars, just to stick it to your bully is worth it?
So they didn’t want to elevate Bart Gunn because he was a career mid carder, yet they elevated career midcarder Bradshaw a few years later? These wrestling people are delusional and with limited memory.
One of the great things about pro wrestling is that bookers can decide which guy is going to win and which guy is going to lose. Of course, they don't always get it right, but there's control over the outcomes. If you want to push Dr. Death Steve Williams, you can put him in a series of matches and have him win. When you remove that element of control, you open yourself up to things like Bart Gunn winning the Brawl for All.
Cornette addressed the phone call/voice mail incident around the time it actually happened in a shoot interview and according to him he never threatened Russo's wife or kids he did say that Vince's kids were a couple of malcontents but his wife was a saint
Logic: "Okay so Bart wasn't odds on favourite but ya know what let's do something with this guy that salvages this situation." (Vince to Butterbean) "FINISH HIM!"
You know they’re going to have Russo and Cornette on the upcoming Owen episode (and you know Jim is going to say that Russo should be charged for murder)
"Shit the guy who won isn't who we wanted..what do we do?" "Uh, get Bart to cut his hair and we do a reboot and turn him into a bad ass creating a new star?" "....Nah...bury the fuck"
Just a note for all the people who claim ignorance about concussions: in 1995 Shawn Michaels collapsed on Raw after being concussed by Owen Hart on an enzigiri (I'm sure I messed up the spelling of that but whatever). Two weeks later they had a segment on the show where a doctor explained that repeated concussions could cause brain trauma and have lifelong affects. Aside from common sense, there was plenty of information out there that repeated head trauma is bad for you, it was just that nobody cared enough to listen at the time.
It's like people didn't see Muhammad Ali's condition...they called it Parkinson's but it wasn't in the traditional sense....it was Parkinson's syndrome that has the same symptoms as the disease but it's not an illness he attained, he attained it by getting his brain repeatedly bashed in
I remember bryan and vinny reviewed the episode of that. WWF/WWE always said they didn't know concussion was bad but apparently know enough that repeated hits to the head could be fatal that they used it to gain sympathy for their top guy. This company, man.
Bro, your Russo was spot on bro. Bro I couldn't of done it better bro. When it comes to wrestling reviews and in sight bro you Solomonster are the first bro I listen to bro. Stay gold ponyboy.
42:12 I agree with you 1000% on Vince McMahon being THE prime person to blame for the Brawl For All. Yes, it was Russo’s idea & Russo deserves his Singapore cane lashings; but McMahon gave it the greenlight. He was the head man, he was the “buck stops here” person, he could’ve stopped it but he didn’t. I always wonder why no one has interviewed McMahon to get his take on the BFA, ask HIM the tough questions, etc.
And Russo has admitted that Goldust’s artist gimmick was crap. Listen to him. He flat out said it sucked. And even Dustin hated it too. Russo HAS admitted when his ideas weren’t good.
A few notes for those who don't know. Dr. Death returned to AJPW in 2000 and remained there after Misawa's exodus alongside Kawada, Hansen, Masanobu Fuchi, and Taiyo Kea. He worked for WWE in developmental and trained Jake Hager. In 2004, he had the brilliant idea to try MMA; he lost in 22 seconds against Belarussian kickboxer Alexey Ignashov (who fought Shinsuke Nakamura twice). Bart Gunn played Ben Sharpe in the 2004 film 'Rikidozan'. The tag match between Ben and Mike Sharpe against Rikidozan and Masahiko Kimura in 1954 was immensely popular in Japan.
Bro, I know bro but bro, JBL pissed me of bro. So I had to teach him a lesson bro. Bro he said he was the toughest guy around bro. Wouldn't shut his mouth bro. So I had to do what I had to do bro. I wanted to make sure if that was true bro, you got it bro? That's all it was bro. From a bro to a bro, I'm sorry bro.
I don't ever recall Cornett ever lying about anything he's been a wrestling icon for over 40 years and turned every promotion around and they all became successful
No need for The Solomonster to apologize & rephrase what he said around 45:01-45:22. I got his point. Vince Russo tried to garner the attention of the 15-21 male demographic & he succeeded.
It’s hilarious that the Brawl-For-All was created for the sole purpose of burying Bradshaw, and yet, he is EASILY the most successful guy to come out of it, as one half of one of the greatest tag teams ever, a multi-time World Champion, a future shoe-in for the Hall of Fame, and a wealthy and successful financial analyst and political commentator in real life.
in the documentary "Dan barely beat godfather" Dude he was picking up and dropping him so much and the fight was so one side Dan started bullying the ref to make it a bit entertaining for people.
As far as what Jim Cornette called Vince Russo around 26:14-26:19, didn't Vince McMahon say that to Brian Kendrick on an episode of 'WWE SmackDown!' in mid-2003?... I believe so. Shortly afterwards, Brian Kendrick was destroyed in a squash mat against Brock Lesnar. I remember recording that episode of 'WWE SmackDown!' on a blank VHS tape as if it were literally yesterday, but, that's another story for another time.
I can do good Vince Russo impersonations, as well, Bro... Just by sayin' "Bro.", you're channelin' your inner Vince Russo, Bro... You know what I'm talkin' about, here, Bro?... Bro?... Just, here me out, Bro... O.K., Bro?... Bro?... Alright, Bro. Good talk...
The only person who made the claim that Cornette threatened Russo's family was Russo himself, and as far as I know, he never provided any proof. It's disappointing to hear Solomonster repeat that accusation as truth given the low credibility of the source. Cornette himself denied he threatened Russo's wife and kids.
I'm glad Solomonster said what I've been saying about Cornette. He's gotten fired from every company he's been with. Two times having NOTHING to do with Russo.
I think Russo gets unfairly shit on tbh. He makes stupid stuff up, but it can't be denied the WWF was doing a million times greater than what they're doing today. Ratings prove this and get ready for an all new low for raw tonight.
@Skippy the Alien wcw in 2000 and especially in 2001 omg lol but you're right, nothing compares to how horrific today's product is. Especially smackdown. That show is just plain awful!
The Brawl For All didn’t kill PCO’s career. His career is still not dead and then won the Ring Of Honor World Championship. PCO is the ROH World Champion.
It’s no where near the worst idea in wrestling not that it’s good. I luv how bruce says it’s the worst thing in wrestling yet yeArs later he was putting Daniel puder and miz in a boxing match for a shoot with no russo in sight always hypocritical
Bruce Pritchard has no room to talk about anyone's writing at all. Does the year 1995 ring a bell? Also, the last several months of Smackdown? Which is by far the worst wrestling television show out of all of them.
@@kujo62 lmao that's actually the first time that I've actually stopped watching wrestling was during that year. Even as a kid, I knew how terrible it was.
If Russo's stance is that he wanted to bring in the casual fans, it worked. There was a neighbor that I had who said the exact thing Solomonster was saying about bringing in the college age crowd... Once WWF ended in popularity then he gave up on it. So, it's easy now to sit back, after 20 years and talk about how this or that didn't work but that Attitude Era really was a different beast compared to whatever it is today. Plus, you know 20 years from now, the Brawl for All will still be talked about compared to whatever has really happened over the last few in WWE.
I feel like Jim Ross being pissed off could be the fact he is still grieving the loss of his wife. I mean the last three years, he’s looked a bit mad which is sad because it’s obvious how much pain he is in for the past three years.
Anything in terms of storylines and match gimmicks ends with Vince McMahon. Any stupid idea by bad creative goes through Vince and he should take the blame for Brawl for All. Russo came up with a dumb idea and Vince pushed it out to TV.
It is amazing how they thought they could do real fighting, but also believe Steve Williams would automatically win. It is also amazing to see in this show that basically Jim Ross, Jim Cornette, and Vince Russo are all idiots in their own way. How can they not have known that almost all their wrestlers would look like fumbling drunks? How could they not have know at least 1 or 2 would get injured? How did they not realize that fighter A can beat fighter B, fighter B can beat fighter C, and fighter C can beat fighter A? Especially if you have people who don't know how to fight and no one knows what the rules are. Did they think they could just use the judge scorecard and make Steve Williams win?
They seriously need to stop focusing so much on this Cornette Russo feud. It's just exhausting. It's easy to get across their animosity towards each other without dedicating so much time to it and dragging down the episode
Skippy the Alien for real. Russo got so much hate for this episode when I felt cornette is the one that looks like a jackass. I don’t have an issue with cornette but it’s funny that he has more contempt for Russo instead of a guy like new jack who literally tried to kill people. Maybe he relates?
For someone like Cornette. You can’t help but expect that level of loyalty to wrestling. Think about what his life has been thanks to wrestling. Probably is more successful than he would’ve been without it. It’s like some people’s love for music. When something has given you everything, you’re bound to be protective of it.
That’s dumb that they say they didn’t know about blunt force trauma to the head would cause you serious health problems. If he was alive go ask Muhammad Ali how all those power blows to the head helped him out.
Say what you want about The great Cornett he has always been offered jobs in wrestling and was paid very well for his knowledge and understanding of the business where Russo has to trick or blackmail to get a job and run every promotion in the ground with help from Bisshoff and Hogan
I believe n fear we gonna get Vince Russo/Jim Cornette part 3 when the Owen Hart Special comes out if it’s true that it was Vince Russo that help pitch the idea of Owen Hart coming down from the building.
It wasn't Russo who pitched it. The company that did the Sting stunt approached Vince about working with WWE. Vince came to Russo about finding a spot for it on the show. Thats how it came about.
@@kevinlee9929 alot of people blame Vince McMahon some of the people blame Vince Russo but who came the gimmick of Sting's Crow you have the to blame the guy who came the idea
@@superlex611 Vince McMahon had already performed a similar stunt in 1996 at WrestleMania 12 with Shawn Michaels. Its crazy some people act like it had never been done before. It had been done many times. Owen's just ended in tragedy and using hindsight I'm sure we all agree we wish they never did it that night.
vince russo says that corny's thoughts of wrestling are stuck in the 70s, but russo's are stuck in the 90s and not admitting that his writing was more appropo to jeter on the 98 yankees (talented guy surrounded by the best team) than allen iverson on the 01 sixers (mvp caliber player carrying a team with lesser talent).
The episode could have really used Bob Holly and JBL ´s take on the whole thing. Russo barely adds anything to the whole thing and just repeats himself all the time. Also J.R. doesnt come out as genuine and seams like he is bs you and wont admit that the thing was rigged for Dr.death to win.
Cornette never said he'd kill Russo's family. He said if there was a way of killing him without being caught he'd do it. But he'd never go after his family.
32:00 I don’t think that was necessarily Bart Gunns fault, the company lied and went out of their way to present it to him as if it were a boxing contest, and hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if they explicitly sold it to him as a straight boxing match, to absolutely remove any chance of him winning.
Solomonster, Sir (or Bro) I commend you on these Dark Side vids...I don't consider these just reviews, but rather really nice companion pieces. You bring extra info not contained in the episodes I sure as shit haven't heard before, and I commend you for that.
So let me get this straight: they were planning on Dr. Death to win and start a feud with Austin, I get that! But you really mean to tell me that they couldn’t use that EXACT same feud with Bart Gunn? Only Dr. Death could get that specific feud and not any of the other potential winners? No shit this thing was trash!
@@Kneestonelight I'm sorry you don't understand how fucking easy of a story that is to do with practically anyone! Anyone in the brawl for all could've been JR's bodyguard, literally anyone of those guys, so don't tell me that only one certain guy from the brawl for all competitors could do it jackass!
Side note on brakkus, I keep thinking back to the ECW angle that they did with him and Taz. And the actual match that they had if I’m not mistaken at November to remember. And just how bad brackkus looked in the ring. That man was basically scared to breathe. Remember the promo taz cut on him when he say he said he would do nothing in the business. BOY WAS HE RIGHT
@1:07 dat Russo impression is so good I thought Solomonster had him on the podcast. There's Something about Mary is one of my favorites too and takes me back to when I was 6.
Bart Gunn was top fighter on roster, which is often case w WWE lo or mid card guys. Lack of charisma or fan support keeps them down. Zero reason he could not b pushed as a solo talent. BG could 1 punch ko idiots behind the scenes. He beat 1st opponent n 1st round n mma. Same opponent Butterbean beat in later rounds. He gave up before a mma rematch because they wouldn't give him enough time to train properly. Now he has a normal job, somewhere.
Did I miss the part where Cornette tells Russo he caused the WWF (WWE) five million dollars? I kind of chuckled when Cornette made that comment. I get where Cornette was coming from, he basically suggested had Dr. Death wasn't exposed (and injured) by Bart Gunn, the WWE could have had a big pay day with a SCSA vs Dr. Death program, but I don't know where Jim got the 5 million dollar figure from since I don't think a PPV that featured the two in a main event match would have pegged the buying needle.
Cornette and Ross were just butt hurt and salty because their boy: Steve Dr Death William got knocked TF out by Bart Gunn....yeah Cornette actually said that Dr Death was a "future star" and was going to main event with SCSA .....Bradshaw getting knocked out was the best part
Butterbean was just a hired assassin paid by Vince to destroy his own talent now that petty
@Nathaniel Baxter Butterbean himself thought he was Bart's punishment though.
Is this shocking to wnybody?
i think Vince McMahon legitimately thought Bart Gunn would knock out Butterbean, he seen a big fat gimmick boxer. he beat all these tough guys, Bob Holly, Bradshaw, The Godfather, Doctor Death, he's going to win. Butterbean had actual boxing experience.
@@badmartian320 Yeah he sent him 2 months before his WM match with a professional boxer, how much of a chance did he have? I'm sure if Bart miraculously beat Butterbean, Vince would've called Mike Tyson.
@@BullseyeRey Butterbean isn't as humble as he came off, Val Venis said when he came back. he said that he's getting a job, he thought Vince was going to sign him.
Imagine Matt Riddle and Vince Russo having a "bro-off"
Russo: "You know what, bro, I like you, bro, but you should really stop with this whole "original bro" gimmick, bro, cause in reality, bro, it was me who was the original, original bro, bro"
It'll be a Bropocalypse bro.
@@Blackbohnstergaming "Bro, you don't bro as much as you think you bro, bro."
“Bro, it would be the greatest shit ever bro. Why didn’t I come up with that earlier bro?”
@@Blackbohnstergaming 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Russo: "We didn't know about CTE back then"
Me: "Oh, you didn't knoooow?!"
That made me chuckle, thanks
"Your ass better caaaall somebodyyyyyyy!"
I also think Jim Ross deserves some shit for this. He’s clearly biased and shows no remorse for the burial of Bart Gunn. Still looks salty for him knocking out Williams. He says “no one got over” yet by some accounts he did get slightly over but did nothing to help him in a way. I say all 3 deserve some blame. Mainly Vince and Vince lol
WWF was over regardless of Brawl for All.
Yet, the ENTIRE PURPOSE for B4A was to get an aging about to break down Dr. Death over to feud with Austin. Look at Dr. Death at the time and then look at what the top RAW guys physically looked like at the time. No WWF audience was gonna buy Dr. Death as a credible threat to Austin. What a mark JR is.
@@kujo62 Bart definitely got over, listen to the crowd
@@haiasieel6099 EXACTLY
@@haiasieel6099 I still think it’s laughable that JR or any other pro-Dr. Death person felt that he would’ve beaten Steve Blackmon or Dan Severn.
Bart Gunn looking like a 55 year old Randy Orton
MrCHITOWN247 😂
You're...not totally wrong there. I can see it. Or at the very least, his older brother.
Still looked tough as nails even now
To be fair, Cornette denies threatening to kill Russo's family. He just wants to kill Russo.
He denied after the episode aired? But that's good to hear, going after Russo's family seemed a bit much.
@@BullseyeRey Cornette denied it years ago on one of the Kayfabe Commentaries interviews. They were talking about Russo, the phone call, etc. and Cornette is the one who brought it up. I had never heard it before that.
More or less said he wanted to hurt Vince, and then Vince started telling people at WWF that Cornette threatened his family to be more dramatic and try to get him fired. Cornette said he's met Vince's wife and kids and she's a saint for even being married to him.
@@mikeg155 Thank you!
@@mikeg155 The first time Cornette addressed it was back in 2000 / 2001 in an Rf Video shoot, WCW was still around so the incident had only been a few months prior when he denied it, in fact, he basically just told Russo he was an idiot for getting his ass canned from WCW, Russo just exaggerated that shit.
Jose Miranda I’m aware. See the correction and video link above your comment.
IMHO the craziest Cornette moment was when he announced his intention to pee on Russo's grave, given that I have no doubt he was 100% serious about it.
Corny had a shirt on sale for a while where Corny was pissing on a grave with Russo's name on it.
Corny has been saying that, since the year 2000. It was funny then.
Twenty years later, it just sounds like an old gimmick, that's ran it's course. I'm sure he'd still do it, given the opportunity. LoL
Jim would piss in Russo open casket if he could
@@kujo62 that's because Corny doesn't want jail time due to Russo. Russo took the bitch route filing a restraining order on a guy living in a different state from him, strictly out of fear of Corny.
@@CajunManNick1980 I don't blame Russo. Cornette has after all confessed to violently losing his shit on more than a few occasions.
That Vince Russo impression was on point. 👌🏻🤣
It really Was.🤣🤣 I Love Russo
WWF should have at least given Bart Gunn the IC belt.
I doubt if Bart wants to be IC
Or the Hardcore title. Seems fitting for a guy who won a shootfight tournament..
Cornette has blamed Vince McMahon for allowing it on his show.
Obviously the buck stops with Vince, as the owner/manager of any wrestling promotion has the final say in booking and the overall tone/direction of the company.
I love that Solomonster's reviews are almost as long as the episodes themselves. That and his Russo impressions. :-D
I saw it was 47 minutes and smiled
Of course Bro 😏🤣
@@freddyp319: yep😀👍🏾
It's a good impression bro
It's messed up that they punished Bart Gunn for winning. That punch from Butterbean was scary as hell.
And Bart left after Wrestlemania which it was embarrased
I appreciated the way they contrasted Cornette's and Russo's perspective on wrestling the sweet spot of what they should be doing is probably a blend of the two perspectives imo.
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Well, Cornette does collect comic books. It seems that he has focused on that alot more in recent years.
JR does seem pissed off every time I noticed that too lol
They should of questioned him more for sure.
He's still salty that his man-crush got KO'd by an undercard guy
@Rayn Wolfsbane back in the day i thought jr had a man crush over austin
Dr death was the first Austin to good ol jr,..........🤷🏾♂️........
Probly because he works for AEW now and he keeps getting asked to do these interviews about WWE lol....
Russo made himself look just as stupid as Cornette tells us he is.
@@billromanowski2425 If you are talking about that comment from last year he's not racist, The joke was just incredibly tasteless.
@@billromanowski2425 how so ? He had New Jack in his promotion
@Skippy the Alien then why is Ron Simmons a WCW champion and did'nt have a long run ?
Watching Russo in this special left no doubt in my mind that hes as incompetent as everyone thought and killed WCW. Guy is clueless.
So you're a dirtsheet sheep.
@@kevinlee9929 He said the episode gave him that impression, not the Dirt Sheets.
@@BullseyeRey He said left no doubt so clearly the thought was in his head from somewhere already. And seeing as that is the narrative pushed by the dirtsheet would lead itself as the answer. Sullivan, Flair, Nash, and even Eric Bischoff has said Russo didn't kill WCW. But it gives people another reason to hate Russo, so people run with it.
This was his only bad idea in wwf tbh. Russo was money.
@@darshin95 Wrong. Unlike you and others who blame every bad idea in wrestling on him. I can give him credit for his good ones and rip him for his bad ones. Anybody who thinks he "killed" WCW is an IDIOT.
I decided to rewatch 1998 RAW and man, the crowd hated the "Brawl For All". In the match between Marc Mero and Steve Blackman, people were chanting "We Want Wrestling". When it was JBL vs Henry Godwinn, people chanted "Boring! Boring! Boring!". What a terrible situation.
Bart could've really gone somewhere with that win... Not main event level, but somethin'.
Too bad NONE of the writers back then, knew how to book legit tough guys. Basically, how they used Severn, Blackman and Shamrock.... They should've been MUCH higher on the card.
Russo is the shits.
Typical short sighted mark.
Why's Lesnar so over? He's got such great promo skills right?
No, it's because he's legitimate, was booked like a killer. Just like ANY of those other guys could've been.
Go watch HHH talk for an hour. LoL
No... I'd say putting your Top belt on D-List actor David Arquette
is the Dumbest idea in wrestling history.... and it's another Russo CLASSIC... lol...
Though at least no one was injured in that case.
House of horrors match, goobley gooker, RoboCop saving sting, Chucky cutting a promo on Rick Steiner, the whole Hogan vs the faces of fear shit. There's ALOT more things worse than brawl for all.
I was actually less offended by Arquette winning the title than I was by Russo winning the title.
@@TheSBleeder ... it's a heel move and fans knew Russo was calling the shots back there so you can have it as a storyline... Arquette won it as a "Babyface" .... lol...
McMahon didn't even have to lift a finger to kill WCW then...
@@kujo62 Even Schiavone has said it was his idea, but people still blame Russo. Yet Russo gets blamed for the Brawl For All though Vince is the one who approved it. Pure comedy
But Bro, Bro,Bro That impersonation is Hilarious 😂😂😅
45:04 Russo is already bad enough but don't make me imagine him on To Catch A Predator
Chris Hanson😂🤷🏾♂️
Take a seat bro
“Her age is fake, bro!”
Swerve bro it's an actress bro
All of this to stick to JBL who got to the final.
... and then got KTFO.... worth it....
Yup , that's the way asshats act. JBL was a bully, now confirmed. But Russo was an asshat for using his power to create a tournament to stick it to JBL and in process ruining careers and costing company millions of dollars as suggested by Jim Cornette. He is stupid, proven.
@@oopopp you are just like Vince Russo if you think that was worth it. Like, seriously JBL went to the finals 🤷♂️ That only proves that JBL was one of the tough ones if not number 1 tough guy. Like, really? How was that even worth it, I don't see it. And I just wanna call you and Vince Russo plain dumb fucks. I m sorry.
@@UKpowerunleashed he made it to the finals but yet he got knocked out again by 150 lb Joey Styles, sounds more like his bark is worse than his bite
@@jaquesteddyruxpin932 again, I am not defending JBL, but how ruining careers and losing the company that you work for millions of dollars, just to stick it to your bully is worth it?
So they didn’t want to elevate Bart Gunn because he was a career mid carder, yet they elevated career midcarder Bradshaw a few years later? These wrestling people are delusional and with limited memory.
One of the great things about pro wrestling is that bookers can decide which guy is going to win and which guy is going to lose. Of course, they don't always get it right, but there's control over the outcomes.
If you want to push Dr. Death Steve Williams, you can put him in a series of matches and have him win.
When you remove that element of control, you open yourself up to things like Bart Gunn winning the Brawl for All.
Jim Cornette is the wrestling equivalent of Michael Douglas in Falling Down
lol, not a bad analogy
Cornette addressed the phone call/voice mail incident around the time it actually happened in a shoot interview and according to him he never threatened Russo's wife or kids he did say that Vince's kids were a couple of malcontents but his wife was a saint
This was as enjoyable as the actual documentary
It was👍🏾
Logic: "Okay so Bart wasn't odds on favourite but ya know what let's do something with this guy that salvages this situation." (Vince to Butterbean) "FINISH HIM!"
I kinda wish The Brawl for All was more MMA like in the rules just to see Steve Blackman destroy everyone.
So basically you wanted to see murder on live TV...👀
You know they’re going to have Russo and Cornette on the upcoming Owen episode (and you know Jim is going to say that Russo should be charged for murder)
Russo did this to stick it to JBL. Isn’t it somewhat ironic that of all the competitors JBL was the only one to become a world champion in WWE.
"He wanted to lure in teenage boys" lmfao
@Jo Ka VERY creepy, bro! 🤣🤣
There's Something About Mary came out in '98, the same year that the Brawl for All happened.
A lot of shit came out in that year, mind you.
But it is at Wrestlemania
"Shit the guy who won isn't who we wanted..what do we do?"
"Uh, get Bart to cut his hair and we do a reboot and turn him into a bad ass creating a new star?"
"....Nah...bury the fuck"
Just a note for all the people who claim ignorance about concussions: in 1995 Shawn Michaels collapsed on Raw after being concussed by Owen Hart on an enzigiri (I'm sure I messed up the spelling of that but whatever). Two weeks later they had a segment on the show where a doctor explained that repeated concussions could cause brain trauma and have lifelong affects. Aside from common sense, there was plenty of information out there that repeated head trauma is bad for you, it was just that nobody cared enough to listen at the time.
Dylan Iehl I remember that from when Bryan and Vinny reviewed that episode, and it was just after the CM Punk-Colt Cabana episode...
It's like people didn't see Muhammad Ali's condition...they called it Parkinson's but it wasn't in the traditional sense....it was Parkinson's syndrome that has the same symptoms as the disease but it's not an illness he attained, he attained it by getting his brain repeatedly bashed in
Not just WWE but NFL as well. See the movie Concession with Will Smith
I remember bryan and vinny reviewed the episode of that. WWF/WWE always said they didn't know concussion was bad but apparently know enough that repeated hits to the head could be fatal that they used it to gain sympathy for their top guy. This company, man.
Bro, your Russo was spot on bro. Bro I couldn't of done it better bro. When it comes to wrestling reviews and in sight bro you Solomonster are the first bro I listen to bro. Stay gold ponyboy.
42:12 I agree with you 1000% on Vince McMahon being THE prime person to blame for the Brawl For All. Yes, it was Russo’s idea & Russo deserves his Singapore cane lashings; but McMahon gave it the greenlight. He was the head man, he was the “buck stops here” person, he could’ve stopped it but he didn’t. I always wonder why no one has interviewed McMahon to get his take on the BFA, ask HIM the tough questions, etc.
And Russo has admitted that Goldust’s artist gimmick was crap. Listen to him. He flat out said it sucked. And even Dustin hated it too. Russo HAS admitted when his ideas weren’t good.
A few notes for those who don't know.
Dr. Death returned to AJPW in 2000 and remained there after Misawa's exodus alongside Kawada, Hansen, Masanobu Fuchi, and Taiyo Kea. He worked for WWE in developmental and trained Jake Hager. In 2004, he had the brilliant idea to try MMA; he lost in 22 seconds against Belarussian kickboxer Alexey Ignashov (who fought Shinsuke Nakamura twice).
Bart Gunn played Ben Sharpe in the 2004 film 'Rikidozan'. The tag match between Ben and Mike Sharpe against Rikidozan and Masahiko Kimura in 1954 was immensely popular in Japan.
Bro, I know bro but bro, JBL pissed me of bro. So I had to teach him a lesson bro. Bro he said he was the toughest guy around bro. Wouldn't shut his mouth bro. So I had to do what I had to do bro. I wanted to make sure if that was true bro, you got it bro? That's all it was bro. From a bro to a bro, I'm sorry bro.
Bro...
Well that bro sure gave the "It's real to me damnit" so much REAL they became snowflakes
You're missing a few bro's in there. "So{ bro}, I had to do what I had to do bro" . a couple more somewhere bro
I don't ever recall Cornett ever lying about anything he's been a wrestling icon for over 40 years and turned every promotion around and they all became successful
No need for The Solomonster to apologize & rephrase what he said around 45:01-45:22.
I got his point.
Vince Russo tried to garner the attention of the 15-21 male demographic & he succeeded.
It’s hilarious that the Brawl-For-All was created for the sole purpose of burying Bradshaw, and yet, he is EASILY the most successful guy to come out of it, as one half of one of the greatest tag teams ever, a multi-time World Champion, a future shoe-in for the Hall of Fame, and a wealthy and successful financial analyst and political commentator in real life.
AND A WRESTLING *GOD*
the assassination of bart gunn
Hey! Now THAT sounds like a great title for a “Dark Side Of The Ring” episode!
"Two Vinces"
One, two Vinces kneel before you
That's what I said now
Vinces, Vinces who adore you
Just go ahead now
The treatment of Gun got before the Dr Death match made me happy after Gun won, and yes I know what happens at the end, but still good on you Gun.
in the documentary "Dan barely beat godfather" Dude he was picking up and dropping him so much and the fight was so one side Dan started bullying the ref to make it a bit entertaining for people.
Yeah, I never understood that “barely” part either. What was the final score on that fight? Did the judges have it closer than what we thought?
THANK YOU, Jason, for calling BS on the concussion myths.
It is about as credible as Vince McMahon not knowing his wrestlers were on steroids.
As far as what Jim Cornette called Vince Russo around 26:14-26:19, didn't Vince McMahon say that to Brian Kendrick on an episode of 'WWE SmackDown!' in mid-2003?...
I believe so.
Shortly afterwards, Brian Kendrick was destroyed in a squash mat against Brock Lesnar.
I remember recording that episode of 'WWE SmackDown!' on a blank VHS tape as if it were literally yesterday, but, that's another story for another time.
I can do good Vince Russo impersonations, as well, Bro...
Just by sayin' "Bro.", you're channelin' your inner Vince Russo, Bro...
You know what I'm talkin' about, here, Bro?...
Bro?...
Just, here me out, Bro...
O.K., Bro?...
Bro?...
Alright, Bro.
Good talk...
He didn’t threaten to kill Russo’s family. He threatened to kill Russo on his own
The only person who made the claim that Cornette threatened Russo's family was Russo himself, and as far as I know, he never provided any proof. It's disappointing to hear Solomonster repeat that accusation as truth given the low credibility of the source. Cornette himself denied he threatened Russo's wife and kids.
@@TenaciousJ2323 it's not far fetched cornette has said similar things about kenny omega
I'm glad Solomonster said what I've been saying about Cornette. He's gotten fired from every company he's been with. Two times having NOTHING to do with Russo.
Past Smokey ,Cornette career is basically only failures
@@Hakokoro why is it him instead of Russo ?
Wow, Solomonster actually gave Russo some credit and a little benefit of the doubt?! The world must really be ending as we know it lmao
I think Russo gets unfairly shit on tbh. He makes stupid stuff up, but it can't be denied the WWF was doing a million times greater than what they're doing today. Ratings prove this and get ready for an all new low for raw tonight.
@Skippy the Alien wcw in 2000 and especially in 2001 omg lol but you're right, nothing compares to how horrific today's product is. Especially smackdown. That show is just plain awful!
@Skippy the Alien 😂😂
The Brawl For All didn’t kill PCO’s career. His career is still not dead and then won the Ring Of Honor World Championship. PCO is the ROH World Champion.
Damn someone made a Spin Doctors reference in 2020...take this like because THAT ,of everything mentioned, popped me
It’s no where near the worst idea in wrestling not that it’s good. I luv how bruce says it’s the worst thing in wrestling yet yeArs later he was putting Daniel puder and miz in a boxing match for a shoot with no russo in sight always hypocritical
Bruce Pritchard has no room to talk about anyone's writing at all. Does the year 1995 ring a bell? Also, the last several months of Smackdown? Which is by far the worst wrestling television show out of all of them.
Sean Campbell 100% agree mate
@@kujo62 lmao that's actually the first time that I've actually stopped watching wrestling was during that year. Even as a kid, I knew how terrible it was.
Jason's Russo impersonation always cracks me up 😂
It's pretty on point.
Me too I never get tired of it lol
If Russo's stance is that he wanted to bring in the casual fans, it worked. There was a neighbor that I had who said the exact thing Solomonster was saying about bringing in the college age crowd... Once WWF ended in popularity then he gave up on it. So, it's easy now to sit back, after 20 years and talk about how this or that didn't work but that Attitude Era really was a different beast compared to whatever it is today. Plus, you know 20 years from now, the Brawl for All will still be talked about compared to whatever has really happened over the last few in WWE.
People try to deny this, but its the truth. I know many people who watched during this era that stopped watching towards the end of 2000/early 2001.
"Luring in the teenage boys" Pat Pattersons ears are burning
Moral of the story, don't tell people you're going to kick peoples knees out
Not to mention foleys title win on raw was a big moment in the Monday night war.
Vince Russo had nothing to do with the screw job
I feel like Jim Ross being pissed off could be the fact he is still grieving the loss of his wife. I mean the last three years, he’s looked a bit mad which is sad because it’s obvious how much pain he is in for the past three years.
Premiere episode profiles a murderer. Episode 2 profiles an attempted murderer. Episode 3 profiles a creative murderer. Episode 4 ...ANOTHER MURDERER?!?
Anything in terms of storylines and match gimmicks ends with Vince McMahon. Any stupid idea by bad creative goes through Vince and he should take the blame for Brawl for All. Russo came up with a dumb idea and Vince pushed it out to TV.
But it should have never taking place
It is amazing how they thought they could do real fighting, but also believe Steve Williams would automatically win. It is also amazing to see in this show that basically Jim Ross, Jim Cornette, and Vince Russo are all idiots in their own way. How can they not have known that almost all their wrestlers would look like fumbling drunks? How could they not have know at least 1 or 2 would get injured? How did they not realize that fighter A can beat fighter B, fighter B can beat fighter C, and fighter C can beat fighter A? Especially if you have people who don't know how to fight and no one knows what the rules are. Did they think they could just use the judge scorecard and make Steve Williams win?
They seriously need to stop focusing so much on this Cornette Russo feud. It's just exhausting. It's easy to get across their animosity towards each other without dedicating so much time to it and dragging down the episode
Thank you. They hijack the episodes. Cornette is like a cartoon character
They may need to have their own brawl for all to settle it
Skippy the Alien for real. Russo got so much hate for this episode when I felt cornette is the one that looks like a jackass. I don’t have an issue with cornette but it’s funny that he has more contempt for Russo instead of a guy like new jack who literally tried to kill people. Maybe he relates?
For someone like Cornette. You can’t help but expect that level of loyalty to wrestling. Think about what his life has been thanks to wrestling. Probably is more successful than he would’ve been without it. It’s like some people’s love for music. When something has given you everything, you’re bound to be protective of it.
That’s dumb that they say they didn’t know about blunt force trauma to the head would cause you serious health problems. If he was alive go ask Muhammad Ali how all those power blows to the head helped him out.
Wrestling With Wregret covered this really well too.
So did Wrestling Bios
Bro screwed Bro... Bro.
Say what you want about The great Cornett he has always been offered jobs in wrestling and was paid very well for his knowledge and understanding of the business where Russo has to trick or blackmail to get a job and run every promotion in the ground with help from Bisshoff and Hogan
The way WWF buried Bart Gunn after this...it makes me wonder why anyone would want to get into pro wrestling nowadays
Cornette definitely thought of the screwjob cause he can actually describe the screwjob like a smart person.
I believe n fear we gonna get Vince Russo/Jim Cornette part 3 when the Owen Hart Special comes out if it’s true that it was Vince Russo that help pitch the idea of Owen Hart coming down from the building.
It wasn't Russo who pitched it. The company that did the Sting stunt approached Vince about working with WWE. Vince came to Russo about finding a spot for it on the show. Thats how it came about.
@@kevinlee9929 alot of people blame Vince McMahon some of the people blame Vince Russo but who came the gimmick of Sting's Crow you have the to blame the guy who came the idea
@@superlex611 Vince McMahon had already performed a similar stunt in 1996 at WrestleMania 12 with Shawn Michaels. Its crazy some people act like it had never been done before. It had been done many times. Owen's just ended in tragedy and using hindsight I'm sure we all agree we wish they never did it that night.
@@kevinlee9929 never and Owen would have said no anyway
Dr. Death would probably have had the spot the Undertaker had feuding with Austin over Autumn and Winter 1998.
And what a waste that would of been as casual viewers thought dr death looked old and sucked ass
Solomon's Russo impression is almost as spot on as Brian Zane's
Did Bart get the payout for winning at least?
Hey Jason, he was trying to do his running powerbomb on Droz! I was in the 7th row and I can’t erase that match from my memory.
Couldn't wait to listen to this on my lunch break, thanks Jason I enjoyed this as much as i did the actual episode
vince russo says that corny's thoughts of wrestling are stuck in the 70s, but russo's are stuck in the 90s and not admitting that his writing was more appropo to jeter on the 98 yankees (talented guy surrounded by the best team) than allen iverson on the 01 sixers (mvp caliber player carrying a team with lesser talent).
@@kujo62 Today's product is back to being booked in the 80s.
Imagine Brawl for All in 1990...Red Rooster Vs Warlord in the 1st round LMAO
@Alex Kanyima You don't think Rooster couId "peck" his way to upset victory? Yeah but no, Haku probabIy
Wasn't it only done because Russo got sick of JBL bragging about how tough he was?
My favourite Cornette quote is "Vince McMahon is what would happen if the Devil and Donald Trump had a child."
YOU'RE FIRED!!!!!!
The episode could have really used Bob Holly and JBL ´s take on the whole thing. Russo barely adds anything to the whole thing and just repeats himself all the time. Also J.R. doesnt come out as genuine and seams like he is bs you and wont admit that the thing was rigged for Dr.death to win.
Especially since Holly talked about it in his book.
Alan Joestar Maybe that’s Ross is pissed
Cornette never said he'd kill Russo's family. He said if there was a way of killing him without being caught he'd do it. But he'd never go after his family.
32:00 I don’t think that was necessarily Bart Gunns fault, the company lied and went out of their way to present it to him as if it were a boxing contest, and hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if they explicitly sold it to him as a straight boxing match, to absolutely remove any chance of him winning.
That is not a exebition bout
Solomonster, Sir (or Bro) I commend you on these Dark Side vids...I don't consider these just reviews, but rather really nice companion pieces. You bring extra info not contained in the episodes I sure as shit haven't heard before, and I commend you for that.
Thanks, Henry!
So let me get this straight: they were planning on Dr. Death to win and start a feud with Austin, I get that! But you really mean to tell me that they couldn’t use that EXACT same feud with Bart Gunn? Only Dr. Death could get that specific feud and not any of the other potential winners? No shit this thing was trash!
No, they couldn't. It's been explained why...I'm sorry you don't understand booking and pushes ..
@@Kneestonelight I'm sorry you don't understand how fucking easy of a story that is to do with practically anyone! Anyone in the brawl for all could've been JR's bodyguard, literally anyone of those guys, so don't tell me that only one certain guy from the brawl for all competitors could do it jackass!
@@Kneestonelightstill waiting for my explanation bud……
“God damnit, let’s watch there’s something about Marry! Bwahaha”
Side note on brakkus, I keep thinking back to the ECW angle that they did with him and Taz. And the actual match that they had if I’m not mistaken at November to remember. And just how bad brackkus looked in the ring. That man was basically scared to breathe. Remember the promo taz cut on him when he say he said he would do nothing in the business. BOY WAS HE RIGHT
@1:07 dat Russo impression is so good I thought Solomonster had him on the podcast.
There's Something about Mary is one of my favorites too and takes me back to when I was 6.
“He wanted to lure in teenage boys, wait let me rephrase that” Jesus, Solo 😂😂😂
Russo's a shitty writer but Cornette's a complete psycho. "Oh I want to kill Vince Russo because he writes bad wrestling storylines."
Bart Gunn was top fighter on roster, which is often case w WWE lo or mid card guys. Lack of charisma or fan support keeps them down. Zero reason he could not b pushed as a solo talent. BG could 1 punch ko idiots behind the scenes. He beat 1st opponent n 1st round n mma. Same opponent Butterbean beat in later rounds. He gave up before a mma rematch because they wouldn't give him enough time to train properly. Now he has a normal job, somewhere.
Solomonster. Mr. Cornette has comic book collections? If so, isn't that a hobby?
Did I miss the part where Cornette tells Russo he caused the WWF (WWE) five million dollars? I kind of chuckled when Cornette made that comment. I get where Cornette was coming from, he basically suggested had Dr. Death wasn't exposed (and injured) by Bart Gunn, the WWE could have had a big pay day with a SCSA vs Dr. Death program, but I don't know where Jim got the 5 million dollar figure from since I don't think a PPV that featured the two in a main event match would have pegged the buying needle.
Nobody gave a damn about Dr. Death in 1998/1999. That thought process by Cornette shows why McMahon choose Russo over him. Cornette is delusional.
@@kevinlee9929 this 100
Cornette and Ross were just butt hurt and salty because their boy: Steve Dr Death William got knocked TF out by Bart Gunn....yeah Cornette actually said that Dr Death was a "future star" and was going to main event with SCSA .....Bradshaw getting knocked out was the best part
The fact that Cornette believes that will tell anyone with a brain all they need to know.
The brawl for it all was nowhere near the dumbest idea in wrestling history it wasn’t a good idea but it sure as hell wasn’t the dumbest
B4A elevated Butterbean because he got on the Mania card.