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To clear up some confusion from a comment, the data tracked spell SPELL OUTPUT vs MMR, not simply SPELL CASTS, as seen here: i.imgur.com/l0L0OKd.png Immolate does not have a higher co-efficient at higher MMR because healers are dispelling more, it has a higher co-efficient because Immolate is doing more damage at higher MMR (because it has higher uptime due to more spell casts). Check out the full thread here: www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/18idhyo/does_throughput_really_matter_in_shuffle_wow/
It's probably because Resto Shaman healing mostly comes from 4 instant cast sources, where two of them have a longer CD: Riptide, Healing Stream, Earthen, and Earth Shield. This makes Shaman healing "easier" compared to other healers and means in order to gain rating, Shamans need to focus more on CC/defensive play.
Once again though, Mistweaver would benefit from being split into two specs. This data is worthless for Mistweavers because its playerbase is playing vastly different playstyles.
At 3:38, it looks like you're highlighting 4 healers, not 5. The Shaman is Enhancement, not Resto. Then at 3:46 you say 4 out of the 5 highest throughput-to-healing correlations belonging to healing specs. You showed 5 specs there (so which do we eliminate - guessing the Resto Shaman) and there are 6 healing specs. So should I assume that Shaman, Disc, and MW are out? I've probably missed something, I'm running on empty so if someone could explain this, I'd appreciated. I'm a low-bracket Resto Shaman - any advice would help.
It just means that for enhance the correlation between rating gains and throughput is stronger than for the other DPS specs. So as Enhance it is more important to do as much damage as possible to be able to actually gain rating. As a spec on the left side of the graph, you have to focus on Utility / CC more, because (as the graph shows) throughput alone won't get you far and is not the main factor which benefits your mmr :)
Enh has less advantages than other classes, and it's notably also harder to do DPS with Enh, so the correlation likely means that lower rated Enhs are much worse at enabling and executing their own DPS rotation, and they're winning mostly based on throughput. Chances are that if you can do that much throughput on Enh, you're also pretty good with the rest of their toolkit. I'm betting on self-selection bias - more advanced players play Enh, not newbies. It's less forgiving, you could also say.
Could you do a guide for Enhancement Shamans? I cant find a decent one. The games are feeling really annoying, because the most of the time i am getting trained. I have watched Saul a few times, but well i am not him and cant play that good.
What are some thoughts on Arms warrior? I’m currently at 2073 waiting in the Solo Q to push duelist. Is it basically, spam Execute as top priority? Especially with Sudden Death procs on our 4-set?
Yeah that was odd for me too, they don't exactly have a lot of buttons to press outside of damage... I know i have a DH. You can't be a stun bot like a Rogue or control the game as well like a Druid. You have some CDs for CCs and dps until they are back. So what exactly are they doing when their instant cast CD abilities aren't available? I'm confused on that one.
Alright I'm sorry but you guys are prioritizing promotion through TH-cam over updating the catalog on your website for the current xpac. That tells me ALL I need to know.
both. sp is one of the harder casters to actually get damage off, but it's also utility heavy. at a certain point during my climb last ssn, i didnt start seeing any rating gain until i started using my utility better.
it's rough af currently, but doable. i highly recommend you invest in a shadow crash, void eruption build vs double melee rather than a dark ascension mind spike build.@@shaneprince6572 if you're a spriest main, stick with it. if you're an alt, give up tho imo
Skill-Capped still keep wrong priority's for Devastation Evoker on their site. Devastation Evoker Stat Priority Versatility > Mastery > Haste = Critical Strike But Mastery is not a thing in PvP anymore, Versatility Critical Strike Item Level Haste Mastery Thats the oficial. As we see here Mastery is on last place. How i can trust website who show wrong information ? I ask for corection on their website like month ago. Of course nobody bother to correct it. They done great video, but how accurate is ?
Pretty sure haste is above crit no ? Am no rank 1 but am at 2.2k mmr in 3's (2.1 + rating) and 2.1 k rating in shuffle and am full haste/mastery gear and i pump.
Just confirmed our stat prio against Murlok and it's the same: murlok.io/evoker/devastation/3v3#stat-priority You must be looking at PvE stat priorities.
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To clear up some confusion from a comment, the data tracked spell SPELL OUTPUT vs MMR, not simply SPELL CASTS, as seen here: i.imgur.com/l0L0OKd.png
Immolate does not have a higher co-efficient at higher MMR because healers are dispelling more, it has a higher co-efficient because Immolate is doing more damage at higher MMR (because it has higher uptime due to more spell casts).
Check out the full thread here: www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/18idhyo/does_throughput_really_matter_in_shuffle_wow/
This was an incredible video. Thanks for sharing it
I love that the highest correlating spell for SP is catharsis...
can you send me the data for shadowpriests pls?
where do we access the data please to see which damaging abilities correlate to the most mmr?
www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/18idhyo/does_throughput_really_matter_in_shuffle_wow/
What kickbot and rotation bot do you guys use?
Great video! Super helpful 😃
Nice video. Would've been nice to credit the source somewhere in the description or a link to the original post.
It is interesting how little throughput matters for restoration shaman
It's probably because Resto Shaman healing mostly comes from 4 instant cast sources, where two of them have a longer CD: Riptide, Healing Stream, Earthen, and Earth Shield. This makes Shaman healing "easier" compared to other healers and means in order to gain rating, Shamans need to focus more on CC/defensive play.
Once again though, Mistweaver would benefit from being split into two specs. This data is worthless for Mistweavers because its playerbase is playing vastly different playstyles.
Love the thumb!
At 3:38, it looks like you're highlighting 4 healers, not 5. The Shaman is Enhancement, not Resto. Then at 3:46 you say 4 out of the 5 highest throughput-to-healing correlations belonging to healing specs. You showed 5 specs there (so which do we eliminate - guessing the Resto Shaman) and there are 6 healing specs. So should I assume that Shaman, Disc, and MW are out?
I've probably missed something, I'm running on empty so if someone could explain this, I'd appreciated. I'm a low-bracket Resto Shaman - any advice would help.
3:46 is a small oversight, but the point still stands for Resto Shaman that more healing output is good.
How are enhancement Shaman on the right side next to the healers?
I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed that.
Either it's a typo or I have to start healing more as enhance 😂😂.
It just means that for enhance the correlation between rating gains and throughput is stronger than for the other DPS specs. So as Enhance it is more important to do as much damage as possible to be able to actually gain rating.
As a spec on the left side of the graph, you have to focus on Utility / CC more, because (as the graph shows) throughput alone won't get you far and is not the main factor which benefits your mmr :)
Enh has less advantages than other classes, and it's notably also harder to do DPS with Enh, so the correlation likely means that lower rated Enhs are much worse at enabling and executing their own DPS rotation, and they're winning mostly based on throughput. Chances are that if you can do that much throughput on Enh, you're also pretty good with the rest of their toolkit. I'm betting on self-selection bias - more advanced players play Enh, not newbies. It's less forgiving, you could also say.
Big enh dam = big rating
Could you do a guide for Enhancement Shamans? I cant find a decent one. The games are feeling really annoying, because the most of the time i am getting trained. I have watched Saul a few times, but well i am not him and cant play that good.
Now every dh is gonna flame every poor low cr healer for not "healing more" when they save blur, darkness and netherwalk for next xpac
What are some thoughts on Arms warrior? I’m currently at 2073 waiting in the Solo Q to push duelist.
Is it basically, spam Execute as top priority? Especially with Sudden Death procs on our 4-set?
Also could this mean there is more value in taking Death Sentence PvP Talent?
I would also be interested in knowing this
For Lock specs i would have assumed Port & gate would have the most impact on rating :D like kiting good ? idk man
Nice one ty
As a frost dk main this is pretty true and sad. Outside of our pillar of frost damage is non existent.
Bring back MoP PvP
this is the longest commercial for your paid wwebsite i have ever seen
some decent insight here tho
how the hell you get this much footage?
How to play feral druid -> log out -> make a rogue.
I have a good feeling that there’s not a lot of damage correlation with rating on DH because they just exist and do unhealable DMG 😂
Yeah that was odd for me too, they don't exactly have a lot of buttons to press outside of damage... I know i have a DH. You can't be a stun bot like a Rogue or control the game as well like a Druid. You have some CDs for CCs and dps until they are back. So what exactly are they doing when their instant cast CD abilities aren't available? I'm confused on that one.
@@Kanoog I mean a Dh has 2 stuns 1 incap and 1 fear...If they time those correctly while doing their burst window, it is a win con.
Was the original post made by someone paid by Skillcapped? If not, SHAME ON YOU, for not linking to the original post.
If you were on Reddit you'd see they posted on wowpvp and thanked him and it's pinned.
@@LefftyzWoW Skill Capped also had the link to the Reddit post pinned well before this comment so I'm not really sure what this guy is on about lmaooo
No tank tips 😭
"Killing Blow mattets"
look at this dmg? @chaosbolt? rshamans do 120k lavaeruptions u cnt
Today feral had a crit on smn by 284k in my lobby
Alright I'm sorry but you guys are prioritizing promotion through TH-cam over updating the catalog on your website for the current xpac. That tells me ALL I need to know.
Ok what’s the shadow priest data correlation?
both. sp is one of the harder casters to actually get damage off, but it's also utility heavy. at a certain point during my climb last ssn, i didnt start seeing any rating gain until i started using my utility better.
@@DatFelryn im about to give up on SP. the ulility is great but its impossible to cast.
it's rough af currently, but doable. i highly recommend you invest in a shadow crash, void eruption build vs double melee rather than a dark ascension mind spike build.@@shaneprince6572
if you're a spriest main, stick with it. if you're an alt, give up tho imo
Skill-Capped still keep wrong priority's for Devastation Evoker on their site.
Devastation Evoker Stat Priority
Versatility > Mastery > Haste = Critical Strike
But Mastery is not a thing in PvP anymore,
Versatility
Critical Strike
Item Level
Haste
Mastery
Thats the oficial. As we see here Mastery is on last place.
How i can trust website who show wrong information ?
I ask for corection on their website like month ago. Of course nobody bother to correct it.
They done great video, but how accurate is ?
Pretty sure haste is above crit no ? Am no rank 1 but am at 2.2k mmr in 3's (2.1 + rating) and 2.1 k rating in shuffle and am full haste/mastery gear and i pump.
Just confirmed our stat prio against Murlok and it's the same: murlok.io/evoker/devastation/3v3#stat-priority
You must be looking at PvE stat priorities.
First
It’s not pvp to hard